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So huawei stills refusing to tell us the truth of 960 fps.
Adobe after effect (twixtor) users will now what i am talking about.
The p20 pro is incapable of 960 fps video recording. It is just an frame interpolation technique. It may be recording only in 240 fps or 480 fps. Nevertheless, Software interpolation should be improved.
Those two videos show clearly the case
What do you think guys ?
Huawei should work more on that soft interpolation slow mo thing
you need to practice a little to get good results - https://photos.app.goo.gl/QnvGmwrUL5LmmAZe2
starbase64 said:
you need to practice a little to get good results - https://photos.app.goo.gl/QnvGmwrUL5LmmAZe2
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Practise what, im showcasing some examples from youtube to compare p20 pro and slow mo interpolation outputs.
Frame rate interpolation is what meant by camera powered by AI, i think
Great findings, the question is is this a bug, SW limitation or hw limitation. The drone part of the video definitely show that there is something weird going on. It would be great to have the same tests with 240fps to see if the result is as sharp as it should be...
Also it might depend of firmware version, it seems they made quite a lot of changes in a short time.
Huawei lie to us....
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Great findings, the question is is this a bug, SW limitation or hw limitation. The drone part of the video definitely show that there is something weird going on. It would be great to have the same tests with 240fps to see if the result is as sharp as it should be...
Also it might depend of firmware version, it seems they made quite a lot of changes in a short time.
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I have recorded some videos of muzzle blasts from ww2 era rifles,(yes there is a 6 foot flame out the barrel? not much fun on the shoulder though) in 960fps, it looks just like the you tube video, the 240fps looked alot better, I slowed them down as much as I could on the computer, the 960fps was no better than the 60 FPS, in fact I think the 60 FPS on my old windows 950 was better, with the p20 pro the 960 FPS vid played frame by frame was only 30 frames.
Trying to explain that the FPS is not right to so-called experts is a nightmare! I have explained it like this to a few at Huawei and EE, If you have a camera that shoots 900 FPS and you take a 1 second vid then when you play it back you should have 900 'photos' not 30, they still think it's recorded right as as it's slowed down, they cannot see the distortion or the lack of frames, or they choose to ignore you as they have been 'trained' on this phone.
According to meta data the 960 FPS bids are recorded at 30fps, if I connect the phone to the computer, go into the phones video file and right click on a vid for the properties, it says 30gps for the 960, the 250fps is recorded around the 240 mark (the speed is variable)
It is most likely a hardware limitation Huawei worked around with software trickery to get a similar effect. My guess is that Huawei's sensor lacks the on-sensor memory cache which is required for the sensor to be able to record high frame rate video without any of the normal limitations.
/ Magnus
Magnus3D said:
It is most likely a hardware limitation Huawei worked around with software trickery to get a similar effect. My guess is that Huawei's sensor lacks the on-sensor memory cache which is required for the sensor to be able to record high frame rate video without any of the normal limitations.
/ Magnus
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That's true
The 960 fps vídeos really look like twixtor vídeos.
But one thing do not make sense.
If it is a 60fps with some sw gimmick to make a 960fps why there is a recording time limit?
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Stupid from huawei
They put the same options as of the galaxy s9 to make you believe that it is real 960 fps
I still believe in some hw limitation as a rolling shutter insted of a global shutter that creates this effect similar to twixtor.
If it is only sw it would make more sense to record at 240fps without time cap and afterwards during editing let the user select the time frame to create the super slowmo.
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Can anyone clarify that they get these anomalies and if so what fw are you on?
I'm assuming that some of this is software based so it's possible if that's the case that it can be improved.
Really really horrible to see this though, I did a video of some rain whilst on 110 and it was crap.
Small fast moving objects just come out wrong. Solid normal moving objects seem to be perfect.
EG: the wings on a bee from one of the first posts, you can see the blur effect
i also think it's some kind of rolling shutter issue maybe combined with a real 480fps... limiting the record time would otherwise make no sense st all...
i've made a video where it's provoked by a flickering led-illumination. If the illumination is bright it seems to get better.... cannot post the link, as i'm a newbie - some assembly needed by removing two spaces: https: //youtu .be/4bxmu6nhyho
short update on my comment: did some tests with bad/good illumination and now im pretty sure it's a rolling shutter issue (which isn't a surprise, that you need a lot of light for 960fps) videos wil follow soon...
960fps is fake (at least on the p20)
so i analyzed the video files i made with bad illumination and some movies with good illumination frame by frame and the answer is very simple: 960fps is completely fake. it's recorded at 240fps and then interpolated to 960 fps.
If the illumination is bad, it will just copy 4 times the same image which avoids the ugly artifacts. If the illumination is good it interpolates the frames in-between. it sometimes does a great job, sometimes a really bad one...
in the video here you can see the effect of the interpolation working/not working with the small droplet which stays in place for 4 consecutive frames:
https ://youtu. be/DK-A3j-mino
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flowgeek said:
so i analyzed the video files i made with bad illumination and some movies with good illumination frame by frame and the answer is very simple: 960fps is completely fake. it's recorded at 240fps and then interpolated to 960 fps.
If the illumination is bad, it will just copy 4 times the same image which avoids the ugly artifacts. If the illumination is good it interpolates the frames in-between. it sometimes does a great job, sometimes a really bad one...
in the video here you can see the effect of the interpolation working/not working with the small droplet which stays in place for 4 consecutive frames:
https ://youtu. be/DK-A3j-mino
(again assembly required, sorry... remove the space after the "https" and before the "be")
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That is exactly what it is. Huawei scammed us with fake specs
yeah... why is huawei not just honest?!? this way they sell a product intentionally with wrong specs! (with big advertisment on the webpage as well...) to me that's fraud, nothing else.
flowgeek said:
yeah... why is huawei not just honest?!? this way they sell a product intentionally with wrong specs! (with big advertisment on the webpage as well...) to me that's fraud, nothing else.
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Any sure procedure to report that with a solid proof
Xda staff would be posting articles about that if they were
honest
Hi, has stabilization for 1080p 60 fps video been added or at least improved in latest updates. Who can confirm this ????
Never come OIS on 60 fps maybe!!! maybe eis possibble.but yet no
Saw this sample on youtube
It shows a well stabilized 60fps FHD video from the p20 pro.
Can anyone (having the latest soft update) test 60 fps FHD video Stabilization to figure out that
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Saw this sample on youtube
It shows a well stabilized 60fps FHD video from the p20 pro.
Can anyone (having the latest soft update) test 60 fps FHD video Stabilization to figure out that
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Bare in mind that YouTube stabilizes videos automatically.
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Bare in mind that YouTube stabilizes videos automatically.
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In that case we would never notice unstabilized p20 pro videos from youtube posted videos
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In that case we would never notice unstabilized p20 pro videos from youtube posted videos
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Well you can see some ghosting but it does a decent job
Google photos can also stabilise videos.
But you just can't beat OIS
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Well you can see some ghosting but it does a decent job
Google photos can also stabilise videos.
But you just can't beat OIS
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That s true. Huawei should at least implement EIS gyroscope based
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That s true. Huawei should at least implement EIS gyroscope based
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They can add a form of EIS but it'll never be brilliant, it's one of the reasons I wanted a new phone, the OnePlus 5 only had EIS, it's just not good enough.
With the pro though, 800 quid and no OIS throughout? Terrible to be honest.
Anyone has a credible explanation as to why OIS is not present at 1080 60? I can understand it not being available in higher resolutions but really at 1080 60, on a flagship with is marketed as (and by many agreed to be) the best camera phone of the market it's just not acceptable. Found out while waiting for my order to ship and am pretty pi$$ed.
Can we at least hope it will be added with a sw update in the future or it's not possible technically? Is the P20Pro sensor's OIS somehow bound to the 30fps?
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Anyone has a credible explanation as to why OIS is not present at 1080 60? I can understand it not being available in higher resolutions but really at 1080 60, on a flagship with is marketed as (and by many agreed to be) the best camera phone of the market it's just not acceptable. Found out while waiting for my order to ship and am pretty pi$$ed.
Can we at least hope it will be added with a sw update in the future or it's not possible technically? Is the P20Pro sensor's OIS somehow bound to the 30fps?
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P20 pro never had ois on its main camera, the rgb and mono. It only has ois on the telephoto 8mp lens to assist with too much vibration while zooming. The 1080p 30fps only uses eis/ais.
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P20 pro never had ois on its main camera, the rgb and mono. It only has ois on the telephoto 8mp lens to assist with too much vibration while zooming. The 1080p 30fps only uses eis/ais.
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1080p @30fps has to be OIS??
I've been at the absolute maximum zoom limit whilst recording and the stabilization is amazing, if that's EIS then it's incredible and a lot better than any OIS i've ever seen on any device, I would say at 1080p 30fps it has OIS unless as i said it's got the best implementation of EIS i've ever seen.
Also @ the OP.
OIS by all accounts is available in the cameras on a hardware level but it's not been implemented, i read this a while ago about the p20 pro, whether or not they'll have this as a feature at some point I don't know, it wouldn't be unlike Huawei to add features but not make them active.
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1080p @30fps has to be OIS??
I've been at the absolute maximum zoom limit whilst recording and the stabilization is amazing, if that's EIS then it's incredible and a lot better than any OIS i've ever seen on any device, I would say at 1080p 30fps it has OIS unless as i said it's got the best implementation of EIS i've ever seen.
Also @ the OP.
OIS by all accounts is available in the cameras on a hardware level but it's not been implemented, i read this a while ago about the p20 pro, whether or not they'll have this as a feature at some point I don't know, it wouldn't be unlike Huawei to add features but not make them active.
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I read somewhere that the rgb and mono hardware moving is for autofocus not ois. It's ais (ai stabilizer) that making the recording good at stabilizing.
Oh not to mention xperia's steady shot is EIS and not OIS and it's pretty good.
So, if it's all digital, does it make even more sense to expect it being available in the future on resolutions greater than 1080 30? I mean at least 1080 60 should be standard in 2018 flagships!
I bought a gimbal for $90... Im hoping this would do the trick for 4k stabilization...
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I bought a gimbal for $90... Im hoping this would do the trick for 4k stabilization...
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My thoughts exactly. I am one click away form ordering the Zhiyun Smooth Q. Then again I know the AIS on the P20 Pro works superbly so I can maybe limit my videos to 1080 30? Decisions decisions...
mclisme said:
My thoughts exactly. I am one click away form ordering the Zhiyun Smooth Q. Then again I know the AIS on the P20 Pro works superbly so I can maybe limit my videos to 1080 30? Decisions decisions...
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Thats the one I got.. It seems to be pretty good... I havent done any intense testing just around the house for now.. works well...
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1080p @30fps has to be OIS??
I've been at the absolute maximum zoom limit whilst recording and the stabilization is amazing, if that's EIS then it's incredible and a lot better than any OIS i've ever seen on any device, I would say at 1080p 30fps it has OIS unless as i said it's got the best implementation of EIS i've ever seen.
Also @ the OP.
OIS by all accounts is available in the cameras on a hardware level but it's not been implemented, i read this a while ago about the p20 pro, whether or not they'll have this as a feature at some point I don't know, it wouldn't be unlike Huawei to add features but not make them active.
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Yes it's AIS. And Sony uses the same excellent stabilisation. Better than OIS hands down. I had Sony phone before. Just a shame that Huawei didn't implement it at 4k and at 60fps.
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I read somewhere that the rgb and mono hardware moving is for autofocus not ois. It's ais (ai stabilizer) that making the recording good at stabilizing.
Oh not to mention xperia's steady shot is EIS and not OIS and it's pretty good.
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Yea it's absolutely amazing. Never seen anything like it..
yeah EIS is good.. but it crops the image too much. I prefer OIS
So sad you’ll had to buy an stabilizer device.... having the most powerfull mobile in photos of 2018.... I have my iPhone 7 Plus with FHD/60fps with stabilization in fact.... better videos with a mobile of 2016...
I'm on firmware 120, and I just noticed this in 960fps recording. Anyone else?
https://youtu.be/bYXvnw15Q6E
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Yes, but it varies a lot, depending on lighting.
Looks like your video was shot inddors in low light? I get better results outdoors anyhow.
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I'm on firmware 120, and I just noticed this in 960fps recording. Anyone else?
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That's because there is a 99% chance, that the P20 Pro does not record at native 960 FPS. It might be 240/480 interpolated to 960 FPS, thus giving artifacts, like the Twixtor plugin for Adobe AE.
Ahh man. This is disappointing. Spent a lot to buy this. Yes, it is indoor, but i did turn on the flash.
Well it is what it is. For motion not that fast, results are brilliant. Those really fast moving objects, i think it cant cope because it's not true 960fps.
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I just noticed today that my Huawei P20 Pro camera flickers and there's a wave-like flowing on the screen when using Super Slow-mo at x32 and x8 under fluorescent lighting, like in the office. I have yet to try under daylight.
Here's the link to the sample video ---> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Mo4g9fzpXPzN8FUT7
yzac said:
I just noticed today that my Huawei P20 Pro camera flickers and there's a wave-like flowing on the screen when using Super Slow-mo at x32 and x8 under fluorescent lighting, like in the office. I have yet to try under daylight.
Here's the link to the sample video ---> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Mo4g9fzpXPzN8FUT7
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Hiya
This is normal. Slow motion recording especially at the higher fps needs really good light as in outdoors.
A lot of cameras flicker indoors.
Nothing wrong with your phone though, my S9+ was not good at slow mo indoors either.
Because the lights are flickering.
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yzac said:
I just noticed today that my Huawei P20 Pro camera flickers and there's a wave-like flowing on the screen when using Super Slow-mo at x32 and x8 under fluorescent lighting, like in the office. I have yet to try under daylight.
Here's the link to the sample video ---> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Mo4g9fzpXPzN8FUT7
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That's the problem... You can't record super slow video under lights (not only p20 pro but with every phone) because of the flickering of lights that your eyes can't see... If you try in phisical light you will see that everything is good...
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That's the problem... You can't record super slow video under lights (not only p20 pro but with every phone) because of the flickering of lights that your eyes can't see... If you try in phisical light you will see that everything is good...
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You can with constant lighting such as LEDs
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The same phenomena happens with a professional slowmotion cameras for $5000+, you just can't get around the refreshrates of artificial lightsources.
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read this thread https://forum.xda-developers.com/huawei-p20-pro/help/truth-960-fps-slow-mo-t3789574
the p20 pro is incapable of recording at 960fps
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read this thread https://forum.xda-developers.com/huawei-p20-pro/help/truth-960-fps-slow-mo-t3789574
the p20 pro is incapable of recording at 960fps
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Maybe you must read better the thread. It's only a point of view or at best a theory.
Although I agree that it does not have the best recording in slow motion
When the winds of change blow, some build walls, others build windmills
It's on high-speed cams, they have tested a number of phone cameras, they say the p20 pro is recording at a slower speed than 960 FPS and is using software to slow it down even more.
The link to the high speed cams
hispeedcams.com Huawei p20 pro slow motion 960fps 720p mode
The comments are at the bottom of the review
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The problem is just that your light is flickering.
If, like mine, your light flickers at 50hz, then 960 fps will exhibit worse flickering.
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It's on high-speed cams, they have tested a number of phone cameras, they say the p20 pro is recording at a slower speed than 960 FPS and is using software to slow it down even more.
The link to the high speed cams
hispeedcams.com Huawei p20 pro slow motion 960fps 720p mode
The comments are at the bottom of the review
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Yes, I had already read it but as I said it is just an opinion (that even maybe influenced by another manufacturer...)
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Hello guys,
I'm wondering about buying this year flagship from Huawei, but i'm very concerned about quality of slow motion videos, it looks really weak comparing to Galaxy S10. Do you think that P30 Pro will get any update that will repair/improve recording videos in slow motion ? Please write your thoughts about that. Best Regards.
I'll just say it, slomo is sht. At 120fps is pretty decent. Anything higher and it looks muddy and doesn't focus. If you kinda care about video recording, maybe wait for the s10 5g. It'll be the one to beat for now.
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I'll just say it, slomo is sht. At 120fps is pretty decent. Anything higher and it looks muddy and doesn't focus. If you kinda care about video recording, maybe wait for the s10 5g. It'll be the one to beat for now.
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You mean 120fps at P30 Pro looks decent?
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You mean 120fps at P30 Pro looks decent?
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Yes, it isn't that bad, and actually focuses correctly.
As above, the slow mo is pants compared to other cameras. It doesn't record at 960fps properly, it actually records at 240fps and then interpolates the missing frames.
It can be best witnessed with something rotating. For example I shot this example video of a fidget spinner: https://photos.app.goo.gl/ET1X4yPteuCpkJ8d7
As you can see when the slow mo kicks in, the surrounding areas of movement are a little blurry because the software is doing what it can. Admittedly, for an interpolated video it's quite impressive, but compared to a 'full-fat' 960fps video it just looks lack-lustre.
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As above, the slow mo is pants compared to other cameras. It doesn't record at 960fps properly, it actually records at 240fps and then interpolates the missing frames.
It can be best witnessed with something rotating. For example I shot this example video of a fidget spinner:
As you can see when the slow mo kicks in, the surrounding areas of movement are a little blurry because the software is doing what it can. Admittedly, for an interpolated video it's quite impressive, but compared to a 'full-fat' 960fps video it just looks lack-lustre.
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Hi man,
so can you maybe make an 240fps and 120fps samples for me? I would be very grateful :good:
NJ72 said:
As above, the slow mo is pants compared to other cameras. It doesn't record at 960fps properly, it actually records at 240fps and then interpolates the missing frames.
It can be best witnessed with something rotating. For example I shot this example video of a fidget spinner:
As you can see when the slow mo kicks in, the surrounding areas of movement are a little blurry because the software is doing what it can. Admittedly, for an interpolated video it's quite impressive, but compared to a 'full-fat' 960fps video it just looks lack-lustre.
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Hi man,
maybe you could make an 240fps and 120fps samle videos for me? I would be very grateful :good:
Sure:
1080p120: https://photos.app.goo.gl/WYCVoLzPqdiPDjGy5
720p240: https://photos.app.goo.gl/WYCVoLzPqdiPDjGy5
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Sure:
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It's the same movie in both links
I got the same problem.
120FPS the video looks sharp, but if I choose 240 or 960fps the video is not sharp and I can't sharpen the video even if I touch the screen.
Maybe the next update will solve this problem.
This mine with Huawei P30 Pro and is no bad
https://youtu.be/FhmCMi8-Gu8
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This mine with Huawei P30 Pro and is no bad
https://youtu.be/FhmCMi8-Gu8
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It depends on what you're filming. If you find something close up (like a fidget spinner) the quality issues are visible.
Apologies on sending the same link twice, please find correct links below:
720p240: https://photos.app.goo.gl/aibketmvvKzDXc1w6
1080p120: https://photos.app.goo.gl/bbboiNvU78JhR4MSA
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As a comparison, this is a video I shot on the Xperia XZ Premium in 2017 - the first 960fps phone camera - and it's all so much smoother and crisp.
The Huawei technology (despite supposedly using the Sony sensor) isn't half as good IMO.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/NgRAWoPmvSwv2hto7
https://photos.app.goo.gl/RSfYtHkxKRWmh6y8A
Hi can anyone advise me how to get slow motion to record longer than 10 seconds thanks