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To root or not to root. That is the question.

I've been using my Note8 for 5 months already.
I miss many functionalities I would have if I could root the Note8, but I am reluctant as I know Samsung Pay will not work never again on this terminal.
The truth is that I would root it but here are the pros/cons:
Pros:
CPU downgrade (more battery juice)
Add apps to the ultra-power save mode (I definitely would use this mode more)
Get rid of bloatware (but on the other hand now I can just deactivate it)
Could use Titanium Backup to backup my apps
Cons:
Cannot use Samsung Pay never again
Would loose the stability/security of the stock ROM.
In fact, the banks I work with use Android Pay (and not Samsung Pay).
The main department store in Spain (El Corte Inglés) support Samsung Pay, but there is a silly issue that makes me not to use it. To clear the parking ticket you can do it directly with the 'old card', whereas if you pay with Samsung Pay in the store, after you have to go to customer service, wait the queue and have your parking ticket cleared. It's just silly and makes me not to use Android Pay in this store.
So, would you root your device or keep it stock?

So I still didnt root my phone too mainly because Samsung Pay. In Germany there is also no banks that supports it (Apple and Google Pay are also not out) but I have after 7 months found a swiss bank that supports it and yet i have to test it out.

ptolomeo said:
I've been using my Note8 for 5 months already.
I miss many functionalities I would have if I could root the Note8, but I am reluctant as I know Samsung Pay will not work never again on this terminal.
The truth is that I would root it but here are the pros/cons:
Pros:
CPU downgrade (more battery juice)
Add apps to the ultra-power save mode (I definitely would use this mode more)
Get rid of bloatware (but on the other hand now I can just deactivate it)
Could use Titanium Backup to backup my apps
Cons:
Cannot use Samsung Pay never again
Would loose the stability/security of the stock ROM.
In fact, the banks I work with use Android Pay (and not Samsung Pay).
The main department store in Spain (El Corte Inglés) support Samsung Pay, but there is a silly issue that makes me not to use it. To clear the parking ticket you can do it directly with the 'old card', whereas if you pay with Samsung Pay in the store, after you have to go to customer service, wait the queue and have your parking ticket cleared. It's just silly and makes me not to use Android Pay in this store.
So, would you root your device or keep it stock?
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Cons:
I never use Samsung Pay so for me there is no problem
About stability/security yes you need be more careful about security but if you use phone as normal person and not open thing which you dont know what is it you not have any issue btw you can flash custom romalmost all devs update his custom roms with latest security patches and firmwares
So i dont see reason why not root i root my phone week ago now i searching for good Oreo custom rom
About Pros:
You can do many godo thinks with root special if you have twrp you can flash good custom roms, mods etc.. i root my phone only for Zero Camera Mod in future i will flash custom rom too.

I'm came from a rooted Moto X Pure and loved all the stuff root gave me. When I got the Note 8, I decided not to root it and see how it goes. So far, I see no real reason to root at this point. Yeah, I'd love to be able to backup via TiBu, along with freezing or uninstalling apps, but overall, I see no real other benefit. The battery and speed of the Note is so good that I don't really worry about it.

I don't use any NFC pay services so I could care less about Samsung Pay. Every Android I've had was rooted. I purchased Exynos overseas instead Snapdragon domestically with the intent to root. When I first got my Note 8 in Aug/Sep I tried to see how long I could go without rooting. I didn't even make it a full 2 days.
Back in day I rooted mainly for themeing & ad blocking, in the past years themeing is not even on my list for reason to root. With the Note 8 root is not even needed for themeing.
I root to enable features that can't be on a stock phone, use apps that require root, debloat/disable/uninstall anything without needing an additional app, able to use TiBu like I've always have but not only that, the ability to backup things other than apps. Snapdragon does have root but it's not just root that I want, custom recovery/TWRP is a must for me too. Most of the time, thanks to our devs, performance is also improved.

I vote root. Mainly for Ti backup, debloating, and most importantly Xposed (disappointed when I found out it doesn't work yet). I haven't done much debloating since there isn't a nice list like every other phone I've ever had.

You gotta fund out what bootloader your on cause Samsung now blocked root.

I don't see any point in rooting the Note 8. I'm happy with the battery life so no need to tweak anything here. I don't need low power mode or apps that can run in this mode. Bloatware is not an issue for me, everything I don't want is deactivated and memory is not really an issue for me either.
My Note 8 is a great tool and it just works fine. I would not risk that by using other ROMs etc, because I don't see a point here either. So I won't root it.

I rooted my devices since the S3, but now, many many things that only root could give you control over in the past, now can be done with stock or via apps, the pros of rooting were far more desirable that the cons, but now, things are different, samsung pay is active in my country and I find it very useful, what I painly miss is, Viper4A, only, but, as I use it only at home with a full size sound system, I use my note 4 for listening music, so, I will not root my note 8

The only reason to root my phone could be the zero camera mod. That's all... completely unnecessary in this phone. Think about it (at least in my case) : i installed some fancy apps, and since of them was very cool, but 2 o 3 weeks later it just become in another unnecessary gadget. Custom roms are that... in my humble opinion. Cheers

I just can't see a reason to root. Note offers a lot of functionalities that, in the past, are reached by some stock roms. In term of battery I agree that stock rom could be better. Loosing Knox and Samsung pay is not a clever decision. Imagine a scenario involving warranty.
Note is a portable PC and have everything in my opinion

Saafir said:
Let's not forget you can debloat using adb. No root required.
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Can you freeze and defrost bloat?

For me the only reason to root is to have a local firewall while VPNing. The only effective noroot firewalls use the VPN service and if you do that you can not simultaneously block while also connecting to a VPN service to secure DNS or access remote network resources that are not internet exposed.

Unless you are a software developer there is no need to root an modern android device these days. As most android OEMs are doing a good job refining android for their respective devices.

I've rooted the 25 or so Android phones I have had over the years, but, this is the first Android phone I have not rooted; I couldn't care less about samsung pay, or Knox, or warranty, since warranty has NEVER been an issue for me, even on rooted phones.
But, with this Snapdragon version, there aren't really any custom roms to flash, or many mods that require root, and, the phone is fast as hell with the stock rom, so, as long as I can install themes to change the look, I have zero desire to root this phone.

iceepyon said:
Unless you are a software developer there is no need to root an modern android device these days. As most android OEMs are doing a good job refining android for their respective devices.
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Or unless no phone offers the features that you need.

iceepyon said:
Unless you are a software developer there is no need to root an modern android device these days. As most android OEMs are doing a good job refining android for their respective devices.
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Not so my friend. Some of us can't stand the white ****ty-looking icons and letters on the top bar, like battery, date etc.. they are dull and boring. Rooting is about the only way to change that at this time. Having access to 3minittbattery or other advanced ways to change/theme Android is key even if you are not a developer. Also, I have yet to find a decent backup utility like Titanium in any OEM. Most backup apps will only back up your Apks but no data unless you have root. So when you change phones, you loose all/most data. It's hard to believe that after 10 years, Android still cannot backup data in all your apps without root. For someone like me who likes to have the latest phones, it means at least twice a year you loose all data unless you have root. When you pay close to 1K for a phone, you expect to be able to have it your way. Otherwise, why not just follow the i-sheep where everything in the ecosystem is already pre-done for you? This is why many of us root. We don't want to be part of the i-sheep family.
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Sinxe note 2 i was a rooter in all series.. for the first time i kept a phone as stock.
Well knox or secure folder.. is the best reason to have this phone. And i am using it for privacy things.. with double accounts.. u can have a hidden whatsapp with different number in secure folder... This was important for me.
Samsung pay! Another fact.
Disabling bloatwares are possible wo root.
I dont need any kernel or performance tweak. Samsung sid fine...
Even i am not a fan of theming. With Nova i am really satisfied..
For camera tweak. I downloaded apk pixel 2 exynos modify from xda.. which does better job then stock..
With adblock issues lucky patcher is still good wo root..
Titanium backup?? I let google to upload everything.. so data backup no more need on my sd..
Also using a firmware that is so stable is another benefit. There is no crash. No headache. Now i see not complicating things is better..
Besides i have nexus with root.. and for my case.. rooting note 8 is not huge benefit for me...

m_carleone82 said:
Titanium backup?? I let google to upload everything.. so data backup no more need on sd.
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Except Google does a ****ty job of backing up and restoring. Also, I don't just use Ti backup when setting up a new phone, I use it to backup my most used apps before updating them. Half the time updates brings on issues, removes features, or just break the app all together.

Meh!! I'm over tinkering with phones. Been doing it for many years. At the end of the day they still take and make calls , send and receive mms sms emails,and apps for whatever I want to do. These days most modern phones pack enough grunt , I don't find a need to modify. The fun in it for me has become same old, same old. I do however come back here in hope that some one has pulled a rabbit out of the hat with something new and magical. There's more fun things for me to do like travel the globe.
For the young ones it still will be new and exciting, so keep having fun!
And yes my cat is still around, little older and a little slower. Still very beautiful.

Why root our phone nowadays?

Hi,
I used to root my phone but since I bought the S10 I found myself using Samsung Pay instead of using my cards all the time.
Before I used to root in order to have:
- Spotify mod, but now you can hack Spotify without root installing a modded version
- adaway but you can still use adhell
- YouTube vanced worked on non-root device
So do you think it's worth rooting the phone to maybe removing some bloating and add some minor customisations but lose Samsung Pay?

ValouSydney said:
Hi,
I used to root my phone but since I bought the S10 I found myself using Samsung Pay instead of using my cards all the time.
Before I used to root in order to have:
- Spotify mod, but now you can hack Spotify without root installing a modded version
- adaway but you can still use adhell
- YouTube vanced worked on non-root device
So do you think it's worth rooting the phone to maybe removing some bloating and add some minor customisations but lose Samsung Pay?
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i think yeah, debloating is the first thing to pushed me to root, but more reasons exist, like tweaks to systemui, backups, also this time i use it to be able to mock locations on pokemongo hehe.
The only thing stopping me to root my s10 was securefolder, because the warranty doesn't mind if you break,wet,loose the phone and since someone found a way to use it theres no other reason to not root for me

Chuytl said:
i think yeah, debloating is the first thing to pushed me to root, but more reasons exist, like tweaks to systemui, backups, also this time i use it to be able to mock locations on pokemongo hehe.
The only thing stopping me to root my s10 was securefolder, because the warranty doesn't mind if you break,wet,loose the phone and since someone found a way to use it theres no other reason to not root for me
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I DO NOT ROOT ANYMORE!
Debloating is NO LONGER an excuse either!! Infact the phones are SUPER EASY to remove ALL the bloatware from!!!
Just flash a stock "unlocked" firmware and boom, bloatfree.. you dont even need to sim unlock!!!
Modded Apks are good enough for me, and work fine on unrooted devices.
You maintain ALL features...
AND YOU KEEP YOUR WARRANTY INTACT!!!

Some apps only work with root. Root also gives you access to install a custom recovery which can be used to make nandroid backups of the phone. Something stock recovery can't do unless you use the flash fire app in which case you need root to use it.

psynetkilla said:
I DO NOT ROOT ANYMORE!
Debloating is NO LONGER an excuse either!! Infact the phones are SUPER EASY to remove ALL the bloatware from!!!
Just flash a stock "unlocked" firmware and boom, bloatfree.. you dont even need to sim unlock!!!
Modded Apks are good enough for me, and work fine on unrooted devices.
You maintain ALL features...
AND YOU KEEP YOUR WARRANTY INTACT!!!
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if thats your choice thats ok...
warranty is not a deal with because probably I'll break my phone before any factory issue also a full debloated stock firmware?
im not telling you to root but for me is not a need is because i like to do it. manually debloting a rom, use of apps that need device admin without grant it, backups,kernel wireless and framework tweaks, ui customization and a lot of things you can do with root only

Couple of reasons why I have it rooted:
- Replace the ugly Samsung Emoji for any other (I use the legacy but updated blobs).
- Full disable Google if you care "a bit" about privacy.
- Remove Bixby and remap without accepting their contract.
- Full VPN, Android by default don't tether internet with VPN
In overall, rooting is needed if you want to own your device and care about privacy. People have more usage for rooting, but that's why I prefer rooting.

The main reasons I used to root were
-Install black theme. These days every manufacturer offers black themes and Google also offers black themes.
-Adaway for ads removal. There are many alternatives for non rooted devices.
-Viper 4 Android for superior sound. I bought an external DAC which is much better.
-Debloating. Nowdays we are able to remove most of the apps we don't want.
I like my rooted LG G4 a lot, but I need my S10 to use my bank apps without hassle, so I will probably never root it.

Not any real important reasons that usually can't be done some other way, sometimes because their friends are doing it.

Tel864 said:
Not any real important reasons that usually can't be done some other way, sometimes because their friends are doing it.
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Rooting is cool, only cool kids root :good:

I root my phone just because I want to have the freedom to do what I want.
I like to modify config files for apps (whatsapp for example - better photo quality, larger videos and so on).
Adhell isn't working anymore and non-root adblockers including AdGuard DNS are either sucking battery or you need to disable it often to enter websites. You can't add filters to the DNS. Adaway works great on root.
Also Substratum or similar is great and I like the Swift Black theme.
For me it's more the principe. Before I switched to Android I used to have jailbroken iPhones, only - and I loved the freedom.
But since my warranty's void and my USB port got destroyed by fake moisture I'm thinking about to suppress my thoughts of "Android freedom" - the repair shop wanted 400€ for switching the mainboard. I let them send my S10 back and now VaultKeeper prevents booting...and without USB I don't have any chance to use the phone.
So, rooting is great but if your device got damaged it gets expensive.
It's annoying that the phone brands are working so hard to prevent rooting without any logical reason...VaulKeeper and KNOX are just two examples just by Samsung. Huawei, for example, disabled the unlocking of their devices completely, this was the reason for me to switch to Samsung.

What is the difference between AOSP 10 and OneUI Pie?

Hi! I got Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Exynos. I didn't root my phone yet. I got some questions in my mind. Is it worth to root that? Maybe I can use AOSP 10 ROM but I don't want to root it for another Pie rom. So should I root it? What is the difference? I send messages to AOSP rom devs on telegram but they didn't answer my questions. I'm not using Secure folder or S note. I'm using S pen but I don't need a S Note (basic touch and recognition is enogh for me). I'm using S Pass but I can switch to Dashlane etc. I just have to be sure of them: Can I use my phone daily, Can I use my bank applications, How long is battery life for you, Is there any difference in camera quality, Is face recognition working? Thanks for answers...

Its your own choice. If you root your phone, it's like saying goodbye to volte, iris recognition and knox related apps such as spass, spay and secure folder etc. (But there is some oneui based roms that secure folder works) In my opinion you should wait little bit more. These aosp roms have very very little minor bugs and still under development. No need to run into badass gesture navigation and cool customization. About the battery life, yes aosp based roms has better battery life, performance and smoothness. ( not that much, but it can last half hour or 20 minutes longer than oneui rom) But aosp cameras has less quality than original samsung camera app. There are some gcam apps that works well, but if you wanna take some high quality pictures, then your final choice is stay at oneui. 3 or 4 months later from now, some great gcam apps may come out. Some bank apps works in rooted phone, some doesnt. It depends what bank app is it. But if you wanna work them, there is some mod for hide root status for bank app. For me aosp roms have better gaming performance and battery, so i use it as daily driver. Almost forgot bixby remapping. No issue at all. But still earlier to join experimental development.

CrystalIize said:
Its your own choice. If you root your phone, it's like saying goodbye to volte, iris recognition and knox related apps such as spass, spay and secure folder etc. (But there is some oneui based roms that secure folder works) In my opinion you should wait little bit more. These aosp roms have very very little minor bugs and still under development. No need to run into badass gesture navigation and cool customization. About the battery life, yes aosp based roms has better battery life, performance and smoothness. ( not that much, but it can last half hour or 20 minutes longer than oneui rom) But aosp cameras has less quality than original samsung camera app. There are some gcam apps that works well, but if you wanna take some high quality pictures, then your final choice is stay at oneui. 3 or 4 months later from now, some great gcam apps may come out. Some bank apps works in rooted phone, some doesnt. It depends what bank app is it. But if you wanna work them, there is some mod for hide root status for bank app. For me aosp roms have better gaming performance and battery, so i use it as daily driver. Almost forgot bixby remapping. No issue at all. But still earlier to join experimental development.
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Thanks for the answer. I was using HTC One m7 before and it has more ROM topics then Note 8. I think people slowly leaves ROM section and moves to ADB, non-root app alternatives for fixing their problems. I think I should stay in stock but in the future I'll probably buy OnePlus or something else because of updates. Generally I use my phones for 5 years at least and Samsung is not a good choice for this situation. I can't buy a new phone every 2 year.

To be honest there really isn't much point these days in rooting a modern android device. The only reason to do so would be if you are a developer and need Superuser access to the root. Otherwise you are fine with android right out the box.

iceepyon said:
To be honest there really isn't much point these days in rooting a modern android device. The only reason to do so would be if you are a developer and need Superuser access to the root. Otherwise you are fine with android right out the box.
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Agreed m8.

2021bknox related apps not working on my knox 0x1 s8... Samsung pass at currrent worst password manager on market. Volte mhm iris recognition very secure more than fingerprint working same level as iris plus face and pin lock can do...
Sorry i dont see this false staewent repeated from manufcturers to even now users lie root is security desth for device.. Yes allows less thing exposed before get ninja updated to cover anythong was even going on...
Like that super knox case with DoD and NSA get secure galaxy for 8ts agents and two russians tare it to shreds? That secure knox? Ill have one for the people bringing back balance for tim sure his day comes where knox announcment comes one word...
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P.s. how is it u like answet this secure folder on lnox website stated not runs any 0x1 issue isnt possible its in device hardware security feature so zerp hacks help fuse is fuse not blown can get unlblown back
So how u believe this lie is at top page up there and then srcure folder is at all secure if i can run it here 0x1 be sure i looked how is it done myself i got test s6 0x1 not work samsung didnt drop it how is bliwn fuse brought back only way left...?
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Question To those of you who rooted, how's it going?

Hey there!
After 2 years I'm finally switching from a great OnePlus 7 Pro to a brand new Galaxy S21 Ultra (US, Snapdragon, unlocked).
I rooted my OP7 the first day I got it, it was pretty straightforward - OnePlus made things easier too - and keeping it updated wasn't a big deal. Maintenance was smooth. I really didn't lose any security service, all my banking and payment apps worked flawlessly.
On the other hand, I've never rooted a Samsung before, but I keep reading that it's a bit of a pain.
So I wanted to ask to those of you who already rooted the S21 how it's going. Any app/service you had to leave behind so far? Any complications or difficulties?
Cheers!

US Snap Dragon chips now have a locked bootloader countrywide in newer Samsung Galaxy phones.
no TWRP or root without going thru a paid bootloader unlock service

Yeah, I know there's no TWRP for Android 11 yet. That's why I haven't updated my OP7.
Well, sounds like this countrywide lock is a real big pain then

I'm not an S21 owner nor American, I've just seen this in the S20FE forums, that's how US networks want Samsung to do stuff.

_JuSteR_ said:
Yeah, I know there's no TWRP for Android 11 yet. That's why I haven't updated my OP7.
Well, sounds like this countrywide lock is a real big pain then
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Not being able to reliably unlock the BL is why I haven't gotten a S21 Ultra. I'm now looking at the Sony Xperia 1 III.
I also have a 7 Pro

tech_head said:
Not being able to reliably unlock the BL is why I haven't gotten a S21 Ultra. I'm now looking at the Sony Xperia 1 III.
I also have a 7 Pro
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something I read on an xda news page about treble said Sony put in lots of work on getting their vendor layer perfect for treble so GSIs should work with all features on Sony phones. everyone seems to not want you leaving their ecosystems such they are.

tech_head said:
Not being able to reliably unlock the BL is why I haven't gotten a S21 Ultra. I'm now looking at the Sony Xperia 1 III.
I also have a 7 Pro
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This. I'm not looking at the phone you mentioned, but I'll probably be sticking to the Pixel devices moving forward. It just stinks that Google hadn't had a proper Pixel 5 release (due to the government secretly pinning the lawsuit that was for Apple against Google instead, causing them to lose around $170M USD) and so I went to the S21U...
While I like the phone, I probably definitely won't be going back to Samsung for my next phone.

_JuSteR_ said:
Hey there!
After 2 years I'm finally switching from a great OnePlus 7 Pro to a brand new Galaxy S21 Ultra (US/Snapdragon).
I rooted my OP7 the first day I got it, it was pretty straightforward - OnePlus made things easier too - and keeping it updated wasn't a big deal. Maintenance was smooth. I really didn't lose any security service, all my banking and payment apps worked flawlessly.
On the other hand, I've never rooted a Samsung before, but I keep reading that it's a bit of a pain.
So I wanted to ask to those of you who already rooted the S21 how it's going. Any app/service you had to leave behind so far? Any complications or difficulties?
Cheers!
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I went from a OnePlus 7T to the S21 Ultra. The flasher in me went crazy the first month or two. I kept looking for ways to unlock and root etc. Regretted my decision. BUT THEN, after exploring and research, I found that I could get rid of ads across the whole phone. Including in app ads. I could theme. I could do basically everything I wanted WITHOUT root. After gradually moving all my passwords to Knox, it's grown on me. I'm very content. Samsung UI has come a long way imo
Just think about what you want out of being rooted. Research and find outnif you can accomplish the same without root and then go from there.

How do you block app ads? @BlaaaaazedUp
Thx

if tripping KNOX is worth it, then can go ahead

Sithlordpt said:
How do you block app ads? @BlaaaaazedUp
Thx
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If you don't mind losing more battery than normal (and losing a tiny bit of browsing speed depending on your setup): AdGuard - which isn't on the Play Store. But if you want to block those ads without any issues, you'll need AdAway with root.

I rooted my OnePlus 7 Pro for adblocking (adaway + minminguard), Battery Charge Limit and some small UI improvements and app debloat - Oxygen OS doesn't require that much though. I can't say the same about Samsung.
At the moment, on my S21 I'm just using adaway VPN, which works fine but not consistently. I also tried SystemUI Tuner to remove the VPN icon from the status bar - I can't believe there's no system option for that - but it stops working when you restart the phone.
I really don't know what KNOX is for and I don't know what tripping it implies.
Other than that, I'm really forcing myself to get used to the squircle icons across the UI

Samsung removed the fastboot mode from all their devices. How is that supposed to be open source and developer friendly? No more Samsung for me. Never again. Xiaomi is much more open source and developer friendly and much cheaper. Bye bye Samsung! Good riddance.

_JuSteR_ said:
I rooted my OnePlus 7 Pro for adblocking (adaway + minminguard), Battery Charge Limit and some small UI improvements and app debloat - Oxygen OS doesn't require that much though. I can't say the same about Samsung.
At the moment, on my S21 I'm just using adaway VPN, which works fine but not consistently. I also tried SystemUI Tuner to remove the VPN icon from the status bar - I can't believe there's no system option for that - but it stops working when you restart the phone.
I really don't know what KNOX is for and I don't know what tripping it implies.
Other than that, I'm really forcing myself to get used to the squircle icons across the UI
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You can use Good Lock to remove any icons from statusbar and edit all the things you want, including control center, app switcher style, keyboard effects, lockscreen, clock, etc.
It's a very powerful tool.

I just found a mint 9 Pro for $900.
Still with OnePlus.

I've been rooted for 2 weeks with a hong kong model G9880, unlocking the bootloader was pretty smooth only the firmware download and extra steps to root Samsung devices are much more complicated compared to OnePlus phone including OTA updates.
Everything I've been using was without any problems so far, I've tested Samsung Health and Samsung Pay wasn't working, but not a big deal for me as I use Google Pay. Samsung DeX is working fine also. I don't like Samsung apps as I don't want to stick with them too long.
For me it was worth it to root and trip Knox, because root is a feature for me as I'm pretty nerdy about controlling things and making things my own. I mostly use root for: Tasker automation for limiting battery charging, disabling services, and so much more automations, Adaway, (LP), EdXposed: PrivacyLua, AllTrans, theming Gboard themes, disabling navbar buttons and replace them with FNG and One Hand Operation+ (now using Nova doesn't have issues with swipe gestures, yaay!), Greenify to doze apps, DarQ to make almost any apps dark mode, SD maid (rooted) for disabling apps that start up on boot, Panda Mouse Pro for mapping keyboard in games without mouse and keyboard support (activation with root doesn't need a computer and adb anymore), also i can access ADB in Termux without a computer and without LADB, and so much moooree.. I could go on all day.
After rooting, all tweaking it is SO MUCH pleasure and so smooth to use and it all depends on the user if you're satisfied the way you use your phone. Tripping KnoX may decrease sale price if you're going to sell your phone in the future but I've read they still accept your phone as a trade-in for another phone so it's great. Of course some things can also do without root but with a hassle.
I'm coming from OnePlus 8 Pro and I chose S21 Ultra for DeX mode and when I use screen mirroring I can output 120hz for gaming and bought a monitor for that.

You don't neet adguard or root to block ads. Use the global dns in settings. Use adguard dns or a custom ad blocker such as nextdns. Both are free.

i'd like to get some insights on this too. i've been with android since froyo (yes, i'm old ) and i've rooted everything i've had from day 0, whenever possible. i'm on my 3rd month with the s21u and still stock as i find most of the things i need or do have workarounds for root (like changing out macrdodroid over tasker). so to those who've rooted, did you guys gain batt improvements? this might be a clincher for me

davie9x said:
I've been rooted for 2 weeks with a hong kong model G9880, unlocking the bootloader was pretty smooth only the firmware download and extra steps to root Samsung devices are much more complicated compared to OnePlus phone including OTA updates.
Everything I've been using was without any problems so far, I've tested Samsung Health and Samsung Pay wasn't working, but not a big deal for me as I use Google Pay. Samsung DeX is working fine also. I don't like Samsung apps as I don't want to stick with them too long.
For me it was worth it to root and trip Knox, because root is a feature for me as I'm pretty nerdy about controlling things and making things my own. I mostly use root for: Tasker automation for limiting battery charging, disabling services, and so much more automations, Adaway, (LP), EdXposed: PrivacyLua, AllTrans, theming Gboard themes, disabling navbar buttons and replace them with FNG and One Hand Operation+ (now using Nova doesn't have issues with swipe gestures, yaay!), Greenify to doze apps, DarQ to make almost any apps dark mode, SD maid (rooted) for disabling apps that start up on boot, Panda Mouse Pro for mapping keyboard in games without mouse and keyboard support (activation with root doesn't need a computer and adb anymore), also i can access ADB in Termux without a computer and without LADB, and so much moooree.. I could go on all day.
After rooting, all tweaking it is SO MUCH pleasure and so smooth to use and it all depends on the user if you're satisfied the way you use your phone. Tripping KnoX may decrease sale price if you're going to sell your phone in the future but I've read they still accept your phone as a trade-in for another phone so it's great. Of course some things can also do without root but with a hassle.
I'm coming from OnePlus 8 Pro and I chose S21 Ultra for DeX mode and when I use screen mirroring I can output 120hz for gaming and bought a monitor for that.
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Good to know. Is there any difference between the Hong Kong and US version?
I used to root my phones for quite the same reasons. I stopped using Greenify ages ago though, I don't think it's necessary on modern phones. And I'm not 100% sure about EdExposed as it slowed down my OP7 Pro a bit.
How do you find yourself with Samsung and system updates? Is it a stress to update and re-root?
tiliarou said:
You don't neet adguard or root to block ads. Use the global dns in settings. Use adguard dns or a custom ad blocker such as nextdns. Both are free.
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Agree. I'm using AdAway VPN based ad blocker at the mo, but for sure it comes with some cons. It's definitely slower than using the root based version. When I switch networks - from wifi to mobile for instance - it always takes some time to reestablish the connection. Sometimes I have to force close AdAway, if i want to use internet again. I'm slowly getting used to it btw

Using adaway vpn is almost as using the built in android dns setting, although adaway app as more features.
These features can be replicated within nextdns and then you never have to worry about anything. Except if you us public open WiFi network like in malls or airports where sometimes custom dns aren't allowed.

Question Pros and cons with rooting a Galaxy S23?

I just got my Galaxy S23.
Previously I've always rooted all my phones. But my previous phone is old, so much may have changed in the last six years. So I'm trying to decide whether to root the S23 or not.
What are some pros and cons with rooting the Galaxy S23?

If you want to have full control over your device, root is the way.
I, for example, want to have VPN and firewall on to controll which app and how can connect to internet, combining also with adblock and I simply has no other way to achieve that.
Also I found it outrageous not to have full control over device I paid for.
Cons are that you will loose Samsung Pay and Pass. The rest of the Samsung goodies is patchable to get working through Knox patch. And you won't be able to get to pre-unlocked state cause your Knox status will be permanently changed. And also you will have to install all updates manually. And, obviously, your warranty will be void.

pesa44 said:
If you want to have full control over your device, root is the way.
I, for example, want to have VPN and firewall on to controll which app and how can connect to internet, combining also with adblock and I simply has no other way to achieve that.
Also I found it outrageous not to have full control over device I paid for.
Cons are that you will loose Samsung Pay and Pass. The rest of the Samsung goodies is patchable to get working through Knox patch. And you won't be able to get to pre-unlocked state cause your Knox status will be permanently changed. And also you will have to install all updates manually. And, obviously, your warranty will be void.
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Good response. Thank you!

No need to root nowadays, you can install any apps, modded apps by just allowing unknown sources.
Apps such as Spotify mod to get somewhat access to premium, Youtube Vanced...don't require root access.
Also apps such as Greenify, adBlocks offer non-rooted mode - even if not as powerful it isn't a deal breaker.
But mostly losing access to the Pay apps (Samsung Pay...) is a big issue to me and there is no way back!
I used to root my devices but really I don't feel like it's necessary anymore.
I'm yet to hear about an app, customisation that would motivate me enough to root my phone.

pesa44 said:
Also I found it outrageous not to have full control over device I paid for.
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Lol, you forget that people thinking this is probably less than 1% of the people. The rest of the people just want a phone that works.
Not having root access is a security and safety thing, as being able to change root files could end up with people bricking their phone if they don't know what they're doing.
Personally, I feel the same as @ValouSydney
Currently, there's barely any need for root as all good apps/features are already available within android and the play store.

This is the first phone I won't be rooting as I want to be able to use Samsung pay, use my banking app etc and update without issue.

the comments are misleading, you dont lose access to banking apps or wallet. Its only Samsung pay. Just use google pay.

I made a post about lspatch, which is supposed to be xposed without root. hope it gets traction

bipindr123 said:
I made a post about lspatch, which is supposed to be xposed without root. hope it gets traction
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Thanks for sharing this - any suggestions of modules to install that are worth using?