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Nexus 6 RAW question

Hello Good evening
just signed up to the site today and have a question regards to RAW on the nexus 6 XT 1100 (please go easy on me as im not sure if this is the correct forum to ask )
Been along galaxy s4 s5 user and just bought my nexus 6 because of the screen size and the ability to shoot raw also folk have really raved the reviews of this phone being one of the best there is even now
my question is i want to use the stock phones camera app to shoot RAW but read it wasnt enabled and there is no feature on the current version so i have to use camera FV-5 to have the RAW images
my phone is running 7.0 and still no RAW feature in the stock app
is there a way of updating the stock app camera so RAW becomes available or do i still need to rely on 3rd party apps from the play store ?
im not understanding the mechanics of phones nor know how to install APKs so if anyone would be so kind help me out here with answers or instruction how to install whatever it is i need to get RAW working in the stock camera app it would be very much appreciated
thanks you guys

You'll need to rely on third party apps to be able to shoot in RAW. Currently Google Camera does not support RAW, though there are indications in the Android Police teardown of the version 3.2 APK that Google is leaning in the direction of supporting it in the future.

Snap camera is also a promising camera app, and it supports raw capture too.

I don't spend money on apps, to be honest, BUT Manual Camera is one of the 4 apps I have ever bought. I believe it gives great control and is easy to work with. You can try it out, it supports RAW shooting as well.

Fa1n7 said:
I don't spend money on apps, to be honest, BUT Manual Camera is one of the 4 apps I have ever bought. I believe it gives great control and is easy to work with. You can try it out, it supports RAW shooting as well.
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Second the recommendation for Manual Camera

Lightroom hdr cam trums gcam!

Just tried out the built in cam in lightroom for diffrent scenarios. It really bests both the built in cam and the gcam for both normal and hdr scenarios. Try adobe lightrooms cam out with HDR enabled. Skip the gcam hype.

favvomannen said:
Just tried out the built in cam in lightroom for diffrent scenarios. It really bests both the built in cam and the gcam for both normal and hdr scenarios. Try it out. Skip the gcam hype.
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Samples or examples please

https://s.amsu.ng/zuCGxIISsxVN
Just one example zoomed in. This was at night. Much more dnr dynamic range with lightroom cam.
Even more pronounced in daylight though. But test it for yourelf. The image file is 40mb un edited. Any serious photographer on any phone should use the lightroom cam from now on.

favvomannen said:
https://s.amsu.ng/zuCGxIISsxVN
Just one example zoomed in. This was at night. Much more dnr dynamic range with lightroom cam.
Even more pronounced in daylight though. But test it for yourelf. The image file is 40mb un edited. Any serious photographer on any phone should use the lightroom cam from now on.
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Some proof lightroom camera totally BLOWS google camera away
https://s.amsu.ng/0NNCM4jQVwxN
https://s.amsu.ng/zo7Lsb2sTsIN
These are max zoom ins. And not even in any hard hdr scenario. In a scenario where hdr is needed the lightroom camera is even more overpowered.

Looks impressive. Cheers.
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App link?

Just go into playstore and search for and download
"Adobe lightroom".
Now there would be nice to compair the pixel2 and the note8 with both cams using lightroom hdr camera to really se what phone takes the best pics.

favvomannen said:
Just go into playstore and search for and download
"Adobe lightroom".
Now there would be nice to compair the pixel2 and the note8 with both cams using lightroom hdr camera to really se what phone takes the best pics.
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Have you compared it against Open camera? With settings all the way up.

Nick216ohio said:
Have you compared it against Open camera? With settings all the way up.
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No. Does it require root? Wher can one get it? Id like to compaire it.
- i just tried it! Amazing! BUT SLOW. alot slower than lightroom. Tomorrow i will compair it with lightroom for quality. Sad the final hdr picture from open camera isnt in RAW format. I will post back on details of quality in 24 hrs.

favvomannen said:
No. Does it require root? Wher can one get it? Id like to compaire it.
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Search Open Camera on play store. It has a blue icon.

favvomannen said:
No. Does it require root? Wher can one get it? Id like to compaire it.
- i just tried it! Amazing! BUT SLOW. alot slower than lightroom. Tomorrow i will compair it with lightroom for quality. Sad the final hdr picture from open camera isnt in RAW format. I will post back on details of quality in 24 hrs.
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Open camera has raw format.

Nick216ohio said:
Open camera has raw format.
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Yeah but no raw format for the hdr image using hdr function. Lightroom does hdr out of raw files whereas im thinking lr cam is better. But ofc we need to test.

I just tested lowlight.
1. Lightroom preserves more detail and more dnr
2. Opencamera hdr is more compressed ie less detail but less noise. (You could still do manual nrd on lr)
3. No majour differences but a minor plus for the LR cam. LR cam is also quicker.
summary. Lightroom is best. Its quick and gives a bit better quality due to rawfiles in its hdr compaired to opencamera.

Example. Lr on the right. Quite alot more detail zoomed in very much. Opencamera gets very muddy and there is no way you can see each tile on the house.
https://s.amsu.ng/HgzXRdgG8YwN

Hello,
I want to use the ported version of the Gcam on my Galaxy J5(2017) with Android 7.0 and Exynos 7870 Octa. Can someone help me with an Android 7.0 version of this port?
Thank you.

muzsielod said:
Hello,
I want to use the ported version of the Gcam on my Galaxy J5(2017) with Android 7.0 and Exynos 7870 Octa. Can someone help me with an Android 7.0 version of this port?
Thank you.
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your clearly asking in the wrong thread... use the search button, there are threads about this in the apps and themes forum... it mi9ght be the best place to start...

favvomannen said:
Just tried out the built in cam in lightroom for diffrent scenarios. It really bests both the built in cam and the gcam for both normal and hdr scenarios. Try adobe lightrooms cam out with HDR enabled. Skip the gcam hype.
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What about the portrait mode in Lightroom, most of the people use GCam only for its exceptional portrait mode option!

P30 Pro photo file sizes?

What kind of file sizes are you folks seeing with this camera in the different megapixel modes? Thinking about picking one up but wondering how much compression there is. Currently on a 6t which is terrible.
Thanks
Bill
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bill3508 said:
What kind of file sizes are you folks seeing with this camera in the different megapixel modes? Thinking about picking one up but wondering how much compression there is. Currently on a 6t which is terrible.
Thanks
Bill
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Better shoot raw if you want full control, 10MP is enough for social medias and 6x4 inc print. Otherwise, shoot at 40MP

IamNumber25 said:
Better shoot raw if you want full control, 10MP is enough for social medias and 6x4 inc print. Otherwise, shoot at 40MP
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Yeah im just wondering what size the pics come out as in stock form in 40 and 10 mp?
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bill3508 said:
Yeah im just wondering what size the pics come out as in stock form in 40 and 10 mp?
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Depends on the complexity of the scene, I have seen the 10MP range from under 1MB > over 8MB on my standard P30
Just shot 10MP vs 40MP in the house to test, 10MP was 1.76MB and 40MP was 5.19MB

*Detection* said:
Depends on the complexity of the scene, I have seen the 10MP range from under 1MB > over 8MB on my standard P30
Just shot 10MP vs 40MP in the house to test, 10MP was 1.76MB and 40MP was 5.19MB
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Thats not what I was hoping for.
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bill3508 said:
Thats not what I was hoping for.
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What were you hoping for?

P30Pro compared to P20Pro
I've just upgraded from the P20Pro to the P30Pro and at the same settings the P30Pro is giving me images with less than half the file size of the earlier model. I'm really surprised by this...is there more compression being added, or do you think that the camera might be faulty? Thanks in advance for your thoughts on this.

retiredjohn said:
I've just upgraded from the P20Pro to the P30Pro and at the same settings the P30Pro is giving me images with less than half the file size of the earlier model. I'm really surprised by this...is there more compression being added, or do you think that the camera might be faulty? Thanks in advance for your thoughts on this.
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There's way too much compression.
Try zooming in on a photo that wasn't taken as a raw shot. It's horrendous!

fards said:
There's way too much compression.
Try zooming in on a photo that wasn't taken as a raw shot. It's horrendous!
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If you want better jpeg IQ, shoot in RAW in Pro mode and you'll get jpegs directly from the RAW file, bypassing all the over-processing that you get in auto mode, this is the only reason I am so committed to Huawei, they are the only OEM that does this, all other brands just process the jpeg as per normal auto mode when you shoot in Pro mode with RAW.
With Huawei the jpeg you get from Pro mode with RAW enabled comes directly from the RAW file and is way more natural etc. see crop below, top crop is from auto mode, bottom crop is from the jpeg from RAW in Pro mode, massive difference.

Jostian said:
If you want better jpeg IQ, shoot in RAW in Pro mode and you'll get jpegs directly from the RAW file, bypassing all the over-processing that you get in auto mode, this is the only reason I am so committed to Huawei, they are the only OEM that does this, all other brands just process the jpeg as per normal auto mode when you shoot in Pro mode with RAW.
With Huawei the jpeg you get from Pro mode with RAW enabled comes directly from the RAW file and is way more natural etc. see crop below, top crop is from auto mode, bottom crop is from the jpeg from RAW in Pro mode, massive difference.
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Can't say I agree with any of that.
RAW from my P30 pro is vastly inferior to the Raw shots from my Poco F1 and my old OP5 .
Jpegs in pro mode are no different in size or structure to those taken in Auto. They both have the same libjpeg applied to them.
There's an excessive amount of compression applied and artificial noise reduction, post sharpening.
a 40mp shot should not be coming out at 6mb .
Raw come out under exposed in most situations and require excessive amounts of noise reduction in anything other than bright sunlight.
*IF* we get camera api2 then it might be more usable as it will allow a bit better fine control, but as it stands the entire lens matrix code appears to be broken.
And in case you were wondering, yes I do have a lot of experience of camera driver code, at both kernel and userspace level. Unfortunately with huawei closed approach I can't even see what they are doing for definite. I do know that this will be my last device from them though as I don't like the results of the camera or the closed off approach.

fards said:
Can't say I agree with any of that.
RAW from my P30 pro is vastly inferior to the Raw shots from my Poco F1 and my old OP5 .
Jpegs in pro mode are no different in size or structure to those taken in Auto. They both have the same libjpeg applied to them.
There's an excessive amount of compression applied and artificial noise reduction, post sharpening.
a 40mp shot should not be coming out at 6mb .
Raw come out under exposed in most situations and require excessive amounts of noise reduction in anything other than bright sunlight.
*IF* we get camera api2 then it might be more usable as it will allow a bit better fine control, but as it stands the entire lens matrix code appears to be broken.
And in case you were wondering, yes I do have a lot of experience of camera driver code, at both kernel and userspace level. Unfortunately with huawei closed approach I can't even see what they are doing for definite. I do know that this will be my last device from them though as I don't like the results of the camera or the closed off approach.
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dont you see the difference in the crops?? compression is similar yes but the processing is way different, and I'm not talking of the RAW files but the jpeg that comes directly from the RAW file, which is very different to the jpeg in auto mode. See another crop below taken now in my office, left side from jpeg (auto mode), right side jpeg (from RAW in Pro mode) there is a big difference in processing, the libjpeg does not get used in taking the jpeg directly from RAW.

My Samsung Note 9 RAWs are far worse, and my iPhone Xs are also nothing special, for me the Huawei's are no worse than anything out there the fact that I can get a jpeg from the RAW data and just tweak it (but have that natural unprocessed look) is by far more useful to me. If you want to process all your own RAWs then things may be slightly different, but I see no big differences in the RAW files across OEMs, but this ability of Huawei phones to give you a jpeg directly from the RAW file automatically is a big plus for me.

Have a look at amir's dng processor for better image manipulation from raw
https://t.me/appforks
Bear in mind he's constantly tweaking how it works so there's a lot of versions on there too play with.
There's no such thing as a jpeg direct from raw.
It will always be processed.
And no I don't see any difference when zoned between the Pro mode jpeg and the normal.

Would any of you guys buy a camera with a built-in phone then complain its no good because the phone wasn't up to your expectations?
If I was as consumed by top quality photography as you guys seem to be I'd buy a dedicated camera that had the specs I most wanted.
FWIW I'm more than pleased with the results of the photos that I take. And the phones not too bad either ?

rubiicon59 said:
Would any of you guys buy a camera with a built-in phone then complain its no good because the phone wasn't up to your expectations?
If I was as consumed by top quality photography as you guys seem to be I'd buy a dedicated camera that had the specs I most wanted.
FWIW I'm more than pleased with the results of the photos that I take. And the phones not too bad either ?
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How very lovely for you.
My daughter was over the moon with her toy camera for years. Everyone else realised it was about as effective as rubbing vaseline in your eyes them looking at a Jackson Pollock to try to replicate a Constable haywain.
When she ended up with a decent camera she realised just had bad the old one had been. She was quite miffed.
If you buy a phone that's supposedly one of the best available and sold as coming with one of the highest rated camera systems.
Then that camera system turns out to get worse after a software update, I think you're fairly entitled to be a wee tad disgruntled and should expect more.
Personally I don't want to carry another camera with me.
The phone is there and available for producing photos when I need them quickly and immediately.
It's why I brought it.
By your logic, if I want to know where I am I should buy a standalone GPS, f*@k knows how I'd carry a typewriter around all day if I ever need to type a message out!
Ooh best not forget the pigeon as well.
Nope all in one devices that do as they are advertised to do. That's the future- oh no hang on that's supposed to be now-
Ideally the software in the phone software shouldn't be preventing the hardware from producing decent results.
But this is.
I offered to swap my p30 Pro for my old Poco f1 that my son now uses. He declined after testing it by taking some photos, he likes his f1.
The phone is great, the camera software is appalling.

Lol

RAW is ok, but requires a lot of tweaking and filespace.
The major problem is that when I take pictures, getting a 40 megapixel jpeg file which has too much compressing losing all fine details and causing 'blocks', typical jpeg compression artefacts.

Is there any app that can capture RAW files with 64MP camera?

Is there any app that can capture RAW files with the 64MP camera?
I understand it's actually an 80MP camera, but 64MP jpg's are produced by the camera app.
Thanks.

Will the Xiaomi Redmi Note 8 Pro camera app work? Just to check the difference.
https://www.smartprix.com/bytes/best-64mp-camera-phones/
BTW, just discovered a GCam version for Xiaomi Redmi Note 8 Pro. Hardware is very similar to X2 pro ....
https://forum.xda-developers.com/re...oogle-camera-rn8pro-edition-wyroczen-t3990731

marcovth2 said:
Will the Xiaomi Redmi Note 8 Pro camera app work? Just to check the difference.
https://www.smartprix.com/bytes/best-64mp-camera-phones/
BTW, just discovered a GCam version for Xiaomi Redmi Note 8 Pro. Hardware is very similar to X2 pro ....
https://forum.xda-developers.com/re...oogle-camera-rn8pro-edition-wyroczen-t3990731
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Not working for me. App doesn't install

I am also ver interested in getting RAW images from this phone ....no matter the megapixels 16 or 64 ( of course 64 megapixel will be better)
Maybe someone could port the Gcam from Redmi as they use the same main 64 megapixel sensor.

yes must get 64 mp raw files

It does appear as though the X2 Pro can now capture RAW files!
When in the camera and you select Expert, you can toggle whether to capture in RAW format or not. The phone takes two pictures in one shot; one in JPG, the other in RAW

Aidey68 said:
It does appear as though the X2 Pro can now capture RAW files!
When in the camera and you select Expert, you can toggle whether to capture in RAW format or not. The phone takes two pictures in one shot; one in JPG, the other in RAW
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Does it take 64MP Raw files ? or just 16MP ?

h9v1 said:
Does it take 64MP Raw files ? or just 16MP ?
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It is "just 16MP" ; the file size of the picture above is 30.4 Mb in RAW and 4.9 Mb in JPG

Aidey68 said:
It is "just 16MP" ; the file size of the picture above is 30.4 Mb in RAW and 4.9 Mb in JPG
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That's good, would you be able to share a stock cam RAW?
Also, I know from experience in other phones that the GCAM DNG file is usually better.
Would you be able to share both a stock cam DNG and a GCAM DNG ?
Thank you and have a nice weekend !

h9v1 said:
That's good, would you be able to share a stock cam RAW?
Also, I know from experience in other phones that the GCAM DNG file is usually better.
Would you be able to share both a stock cam DNG and a GCAM DNG ?
Thank you and have a nice weekend !
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Bigger one was taken Stock Macro but can't do Raw with macro edited with snapseed.
Smaller was with Gcam set to Raw. Edited with snapseed

h9v1 said:
That's good, would you be able to share a stock cam RAW?
Also, I know from experience in other phones that the GCAM DNG file is usually better.
Would you be able to share both a stock cam DNG and a GCAM DNG ?
Thank you and have a nice weekend !
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was taken Stock Macro but can't do Raw with macro edited with snapseed.

Can someone please tell me where I can find the raW files taken with the X2 Pro? All I see in camera folder are JPEGs?

Question 64 MP RAW photo possible?

I am interested in this phone. I know it can take 64 MP JPGs with the stock camera app and also some GCam ports. But what about 64 MP RAW photos, can they be taken either in stock camera app or GCam? And if so, can anybody share some samples?

Lazerr said:
I am interested in this phone. I know it can take 64 MP JPGs with the stock camera app and also some GCam ports. But what about 64 MP RAW photos, can they be taken either in stock camera app or GCam? And if so, can anybody share some samples?
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Yes, stock does take these images.
I could take samples later.

Blumi511 said:
Yes, stock does take these images.
I could take samples later.
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Please do, that would be much appreciated. Outdoors in daylight with some vegetation would be the most interesting, but anything will do.
I presume GCam then can only do JPGs, but not DNG in 64 MP?

Weather sucks atm so I did not go out and it is pretty dark in right now. If it is not getting better today, I'll try to take the pictures inside with a lot of light

Lazerr said:
Please do, that would be much appreciated. Outdoors in daylight with some vegetation would be the most interesting, but anything will do.
I presume GCam then can only do JPGs, but not DNG in 64 MP?
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There you go
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There you go
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Thanks a lot. I would say noise looks surprisingly good here. Huawei P40 Pro seems much noisier after you transform RYYB to RGGB, and that is with much larger individual pixels. And the ZF8 has OIS, so exposure longer than 1/50 s with lower ISO should still be possible for static scenes...

Yes, it was okay for handheld, although I thought it went up at above iso 400.
For a handheld camera it was very good and it looked very natural