I've seen posts in photographers forums that the P30 pro is not so useful for cropping because it blurs the details after one zooms in. In fact, one person said LG V30 with gcam is better than p30 pro but he didnt provide images for comparison.
Has anyone tried to do a side by side comparison of p30 pro vs gcam of other phones in terms of cropping? I prefer to always zoom in and see architectural features e.g. Islamic mosaics etc. Cheers.
Link to the post: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62591521
Unfortunately there's GCam far away better than P30 PRO, specially for people pictures.
I have a friend with a Redmi Note 7 with GCam and the level of details is impressive.
What I also don't understand is why can't the app switch to wide angle items with 40mp setting... Any workaround for that?
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The truth is P30 pro has very good camera. Just nothing (yet) can't quite compare to the gcam result. Google is using their own digital processing zoom (super Res zoom) which is excellent. If you compare for example stock v30 camera results with this from p30 pro - I will give the prize to Huawei .
And about using wide angle with 40mp...ummm the wide angle lens is not 40mp, that's why. Or I don't understand the post properly.
If you want the best quality use profesional mode, the best resolution (20mp-0.6x, 40mp-1x and 8mp-5x) and raw with all lens.
Only work in 0.6x 1x and 5x
And also you can use open camera (but only 1x lens) and gcam (not 100% work) %
Hybrid Soldier said:
Unfortunately there's GCam far away better than P30 PRO, specially for people pictures.
I have a friend with a Redmi Note 7 with GCam and the level of details is impressive.
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Yes that True, P30 Pro really terrible in People Picture and their portrait for people also easy beaten by GCam (Pixel Family) :crying:, for me P30 Pro king on LOW LIGHT PHOTOGRAPHY.....
Thanks all for replying. HDJ80, can you provide some pics for a comparison to other phones with gcam?
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If you want the best quality use profesional mode, the best resolution (20mp-0.6x, 40mp-1x and 8mp-5x) and raw with all lens.
Only work in 0.6x 1x and 5x
And also you can use open camera (but only 1x lens) and gcam (not 100% work) %
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What do you mean by that? I can't zoom in in pro mode when setting is set to 40mp
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Therefore he says 1x so no zoom in 40 mp.
He is mentioning the best quality for each zoom level (which you have to configure than)
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What do you mean by that? I can't zoom in in pro mode when setting is set to 40mp
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Pro mode 40mp
In right side, you have three positions: GA, 1X and 5X
40mp only in 1X
In GA is 20mp and 5X is 8mp
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Pro mode 40mp
In right side, you have three positions: GA, 1X and 5X
40mp only in 1X
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When I select 40mp in settings and go to pro mode, I can't zoom in
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When I select 40mp in settings and go to pro mode, I can't zoom inView attachment 4803268
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Ok got it. One need to select "raw" in settings... Thanks a lot!
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Hello @Arnova8G2,
I saw your work with the Google Camera Mod for various phones and I just want to say impressive work! I am using the Huawei P20 Pro and absolutely hates the Front Camera functionality. Tried to download your file to use on my phone but was unable to do so. When I try downloading it is says there as a problem parsing the package. Do you by any chance know if it would work with the P20 Pro? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you very much in advance.
Dear @Arnova8G2 & @miniuser123,
I had S8 and you do fantastic job porting Pixel Xl 2 camera to all SD845 phones. And some other make port for LGV30 dual camera - rear camera and second wide angle camera.
Please make Pixel Xl 2 camera port for Huawei P20 Pro for 40MP, 10MP and camera zoom 3x, 5x.
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Dear @Arnova8G2 & @miniuser123,
I had S8 and you do fantastic job porting Pixel Xl 2 camera to all SD845 phones. And some other make port for LGV30 dual camera - rear camera and second wide angle camera.
Please make Pixel Xl 2 camera port for Huawei P20 Pro for 40MP, 10MP and camera zoom 3x, 5x.
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It makes absolutely no sense to do 40MP. It's the inferior mode, and processing overhead would be insane for HDR, even with full optimisation (which you'll never see on a port). It wouldn't work.
Only 10MP makes sense.
5x is a hybrid zoom. You'd need the Huawei software. Google Camera currently has no such functionality. Not that it supports any optical zoom (3x) by default either.
You can perhaps hope for 10MP with working HDR+ and front camera. Anything else? I'd say it's completely unrealistic / unnecessary.
After the software updates, the only thing I'd really see Google Camera as being useful for is the front camera and / or for AOSP when that becomes stable on the P20 Pro. But by then, a working port of Huawei Camera on the P20/Pro is quite likely - or at least more likely, and certainly more desirable than a Google Camera port.
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It makes absolutely no sense to do 40MP. It's the inferior mode, and processing overhead would be insane for HDR, even with full optimisation (which you'll never see on a port). It wouldn't work.
Only 10MP makes sense.
5x is a hybrid zoom. You'd need the Huawei software. Google Camera currently has no such functionality. Not that it supports any optical zoom (3x) by default either.
You can perhaps hope for 10MP with working HDR+ and front camera. Anything else? I'd say it's completely unrealistic / unnecessary.
After the software updates, the only thing I'd really see Google Camera as being useful for is the front camera and / or for AOSP when that becomes stable on the P20 Pro. But by then, a working port of Huawei Camera on the P20/Pro is quite likely - or at least more likely, and certainly more desirable than a Google Camera port.
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Yes, I am just hoping for the Front Camera to have the same Portrait Mode as the Google Camera as the Beauty Mode post-processing is through the roof even with it turned to zero. I am just hoping to use the Front Camera I have on the P20 to achieve the same Portrait result as I did from the Pixel 2 XL. Everything else about the P20 camera I can live with. Thank you.
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Hello @Arnova8G2,
I saw your work with the Google Camera Mod for various phones and I just want to say impressive work! I am using the Huawei P20 Pro and absolutely hates the Front Camera functionality. Tried to download your file to use on my phone but was unable to do so. When I try downloading it is says there as a problem parsing the package. Do you by any chance know if it would work with the P20 Pro? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you very much in advance.
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Yes! Finally someone who has the same struggle as I have!
P20 pro is a pretty expensive phone and I am beginning to feel disappointed with the less than stellar quality of its front camera.
I know that its a fixed focus lens on the front but how come Gogle Pixel was able to implement a sharp shooter front camera with a fixed focus? To think that it has 24 Megapixels?!?! Such a scam
Archer Casio said:
Yes! Finally someone who has the same struggle as I have!
P20 pro is a pretty expensive phone and I am beginning to feel disappointed with the less than stellar quality of its front camera.
I know that its a fixed focus lens on the front but how come Gogle Pixel was able to implement a sharp shooter front camera with a fixed focus? To think that it has 24 Megapixels?!?! Such a scam
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I don't think you understand what scam means.
Also, whilst not ideal, I suggest you learn how to work with fixed focus. You will not get bad results with it if you do, now that 'beauty' is in check.
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I don't think you understand what scam means.
Also, whilst not ideal, I suggest you learn how to work with fixed focus. You will not get bad results with it if you do, now that 'beauty' is in check.
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Hi @mudnightoil,
sorry for the rather strong term that I used. But yes, I have been trying to learn some workarounds with a fixed focus front camera. It's just that, it's difficult to adjust because I was just so used to autofocus front cameras like Asus Selfie. I just feel like the 24 megapixel camera of the p20 pro is a wasted potential.
Another argument that I have is with Google Pixel's 8 mp fixed focus lens producing more vivid and sharper selfies than P20 pro's 24 mp.
Both the background and the foreground are sharp. Dynamic range is better! I mean come on! I really hope it could be fixed via software update very soon!
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Archer Casio said:
Hi @mudnightoil,
sorry for the rather strong term that I used. But yes, I have been trying to learn some workarounds with a fixed focus front camera. It's just that, it's difficult to adjust because I was just so used to autofocus front cameras like Asus Selfie. I just feel like the 24 megapixel camera of the p20 pro is a wasted potential.
Another argument that I have is with Google Pixel's 8 mp fixed focus lens producing more vivid and sharper selfies than P20 pro's 24 mp.
Both the background and the foreground are sharp. Dynamic range is better! I mean come on! I really hope it could be fixed via software update very soon!
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Other than the shortcomings of the front camera, I have no other complaints with the P20 pro.
Spacemanglam said:
Yes, I am just hoping for the Front Camera to have the same Portrait Mode as the Google Camera as the Beauty Mode post-processing is through the roof even with it turned to zero. I am just hoping to use the Front Camera I have on the P20 to achieve the same Portrait result as I did from the Pixel 2 XL. Everything else about the P20 camera I can live with. Thank you.
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Same issue here ...the rear cameras are great ..but the front camera beautification is just too agressive even when set to zero . A google camera mod with HDR+ in just 10mp for rear camera and portrait enabled on both the front and rear will be really helpful .
someone has any idea what's changed on this camera mod?
http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=898279&view=findpost&p=72790522
Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/s/61dj4t0ca716v7a/P20ProCamera-Magisk15+.zip?dl=1
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someone has any idea what's changed on this camera mod?
http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=898279&view=findpost&p=72790522
Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/s/61dj4t0ca716v7a/P20ProCamera-Magisk15+.zip?dl=1
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Yeah I saw that too, and curious what's changed in that. I assume that you need to be rooted to flash that?
starbase64 said:
someone has any idea what's changed on this camera mod?
http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=898279&view=findpost&p=72790522
Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/s/61dj4t0ca716v7a/P20ProCamera-Magisk15+.zip?dl=1
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That's not a GCam port, that's to install the P20 Pro Camera software on a non-pro P20.
So far as I'm aware you'll need the libs to get it to work properly.
Tbh the pro has a monster camera set up.
The 40mp is more for landscape pics, the 10 for point and shoot.
the selfie cam has been great for me so far.
But then I've only had it since 11am 24th may so I'm sure I'll find some issues.
The rear cameras are great and on average they take better pictures than my Pixel 2. I also end up with pictures that I just otherwise would never have been able to capture with another cameraphone. There are some downsides though where I would love to use a hypothetical GCam port. Outdoor photography is a chore thanks to the auto "greenery" AI thing that cranks the saturation. The 10 MP auto mode also oversharpens like crazy. Pro mode is sometimes useful, but you lose things like HDR or aperture simulation which are lame tradeoffs.
The biggest issue for me though is the front camera, which is completely unusable thanks to the beauty mode that can't actually be fully disabled. I'm using Retrica right now which works pretty well but you lose the nice aperture/bokeh simulation of the P20 camera app. Small price to pay for a human looking face, but anyway that's mainly why I'm hoping for a GCam port.
I am very interested in development. Maybe it's possible.
dladz said:
So far as I'm aware you'll need the libs to get it to work properly.
Tbh the pro has a monster camera set up.
The 40mp is more for landscape pics, the 10 for point and shoot.
the selfie cam has been great for me so far.
But then I've only had it since 11am 24th may so I'm sure I'll find some issues.
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I've tested the 40MP on everything... it's fantastic. The detail I get out of each picture is a huge step up even from my old DSLR. Granted, I did not have an expensive lens, but the processing power on this phone easily surpasses that camera!
sarichter said:
I've tested the 40MP on everything... it's fantastic. The detail I get out of each picture is a huge step up even from my old DSLR. Granted, I did not have an expensive lens, but the processing power on this phone easily surpasses that camera!
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Lovely, perhaps the lineage ROM in the development section may be able to use it?
sarichter said:
I've tested the 40MP on everything... it's fantastic. The detail I get out of each picture is a huge step up even from my old DSLR. Granted, I did not have an expensive lens, but the processing power on this phone easily surpasses that camera!
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very unusual on fw 120 and previous
we get best results with 10mpx AI OFF
what do you set when you shot 40mpx?
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saturnspike said:
The rear cameras are great and on average they take better pictures than my Pixel 2. I also end up with pictures that I just otherwise would never have been able to capture with another cameraphone. There are some downsides though where I would love to use a hypothetical GCam port. Outdoor photography is a chore thanks to the auto "greenery" AI thing that cranks the saturation. The 10 MP auto mode also oversharpens like crazy. Pro mode is sometimes useful, but you lose things like HDR or aperture simulation which are lame tradeoffs.
The biggest issue for me though is the front camera, which is completely unusable thanks to the beauty mode that can't actually be fully disabled. I'm using Retrica right now which works pretty well but you lose the nice aperture/bokeh simulation of the P20 camera app. Small price to pay for a human looking face, but anyway that's mainly why I'm hoping for a GCam port.
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I also agree for the front camera pics quality
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very unusual on fw 120 and previous
we get best results with 10mpx AI OFF
what do you set when you shot 40mpx?
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The 10MP mode is superior in almost any setting. Hence why it's the default mode. That the 40MP mode is even exposed is mainly for marketing reasons.
mudnightoil said:
The 10MP mode is superior in almost any setting. Hence why it's the default mode. That the 40MP mode is even exposed is mainly for marketing reasons.
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That's not the case at all from my experience comparing 10 vs 40 vs 3x zoom in various situations.
In low light, 40mp is poor, but in well lit places, 40mp is far more detailed, less over-sharpened, and significantly nicer overall.
It's generally less processed, and HDR etc doesn't seem to be enabled on it, but it's certainly not inferior to 10mp in general, but is occasionally.
If you want to do any post processing, the 40mp is probably better in general... though I guess few would want to do this!
Yes, i have camera2api enabled and the quality of the 12 mp sensor is stunning. But... i want to take adventages from the second sensor. I've tried some fu24 mods but all crashes right away you start the app.
Thanks in advance.
20mp is for the depth sensor and Mi A2 doesn't click pictures of 20mp. (i think so).
MIN313 said:
20mp is for the depth sensor and Mi A2 doesn't click pictures of 20mp. (i think so).
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I'm not sure about this. In the Mi A2 page says that it uses the 12mp sensor to take daytime photos, and the 20mp to take low light photos. I think that the stock camera app can do this change automatically. But I'm not sure if GCAM app can do this too.
Probably GCAM is using the 12mp to every situation, and doing all the work into software, even to manage the portrait (focus) effect, ignoring the 20mp sensor.
It is possible but you will have only 5Mpx, because it's quadra bayer something technology
On latest pixel experience caf I can switch to low night lens (latest arnova gcam). On stock it doesn't work
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On latest pixel experience caf I can switch to low night lens (latest arnova gcam). On stock it doesn't work
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Wow, do you use a magisk module or something? or only pixel experience?
It takes 20 mp photos or 5 mp like someone suggested?
Could you share samples?
Sorry, a lot of questions, i know, but i'm trying to see if it's worthy install pixel experience for the second lens, or with camera2api enabled on stock i'm fine.
facucast3 said:
Wow, do you use a magisk module or something? or only pixel experience?
It takes 20 mp photos or 5 mp like someone suggested?
Could you share samples?
Sorry, a lot of questions, i know, but i'm trying to see if it's worthy install pixel experience for the second lens, or with camera2api enabled on stock i'm fine.
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I am using
MGC_6.1.021_Arnova_xcam_mi9_v8.apk
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RR7. 1
In options you can enable second camera.
Pictures are 5mpx in size. There is some pink tint, but not much. Quality is same as using 12mpx camera. I will post samples later.
facucast3 said:
Wow, do you use a magisk module or something? or only pixel experience?
It takes 20 mp photos or 5 mp like someone suggested?
Could you share samples?
Sorry, a lot of questions, i know, but i'm trying to see if it's worthy install pixel experience for the second lens, or with camera2api enabled on stock i'm fine.
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Only magisk module I have is pixel3 gcam enabler for mi a2(I think I found this on xda). GCam_6.1.021_Advanced_V1.4.032219.1950.apk
Quality is not too low it is almost same with 12mp. Color correction is more accurate. It works for only photo and portrait (video,night sight tested others untested)
Edit: for samples I don't have stable interneth connection for now
Edit2: I found a way to use low light lens with night sight. After switching to low light lens just close your camera with your hand. on bottom try night sight will appear if you click that you can use it with night sight
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facucast3 said:
Wow, do you use a magisk module or something? or only pixel experience?
It takes 20 mp photos or 5 mp like someone suggested?
Could you share samples?
Sorry, a lot of questions, i know, but i'm trying to see if it's worthy install pixel experience for the second lens, or with camera2api enabled on stock i'm fine.
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Rom is worthy , better performance than stock Android one also have some extra features such as fast charging,arcore
share a sample photos guys with comparison of 12 mp VS 20 mp of gcam ... so others can know & helpful for us
Here are the samples
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Hi,
Are there any camera apps with manual mode and RAW capture for the ultra wide and tele lenses? I don't mind having to use a separate app for each
joelxda said:
Hi,
Are there any camera apps with manual mode and RAW capture for the ultra wide and tele lenses? I don't mind having to use a separate app for each
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The S10 can be RAW and has a Pro mode (manual). Are you unsatisfied as an ultra-wide 13-millimeter camera?
bininga59 said:
The S10 can be RAW and has a Pro mode (manual). Are you unsatisfied as an ultra-wide 13-millimeter camera?
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From what I understand the pro mode only works with the primary lense...I'm coming from the LG G6 and that has a pro mode that you can use with both the primary and wide angle lens and would like to be able to do the same with the S10
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Hi,
Are there any camera apps with manual mode and RAW capture for the ultra wide and tele lenses? I don't mind having to use a separate app for each
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Nope, none I've found, and the API for the ultra wide and tele lenses isn't open so unlikely to get any unless Samsung make a change in a future firmware update (unlikely I think - the S9 also has the same limitation and there's been no change).
If it really matters to you, consider the P30 or P30 Pro, which do have pro and dng support on all rear cameras. But I think the main RYYB sensor on those isn't ready for prime time and has colour skew issues even with the May software update, saying this as a previous owner, I get better photos from the s10 in auto with HEIC or JPG.
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Hi to all,
On the day when P30 Pro was announced, director from Hiawei sad that P30 Pro have now better Panorama mod, with super wide angle camera.
But from the launch day, I haven't see any P30 Pro super wide panorama.
Did anyone's have this option on P30 Pro?
isko01 said:
Hi to all,
On the day when P30 Pro was announced, director from Hiawei sad that P30 Pro have now better Panorama mod, with super wide angle camera.
But from the launch day, I haven't see any P30 Pro super wide panorama.
Did anyone's have this option on P30 Pro?
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I'm on v161(C431) and there's no panoramic photos with super wide angle. I'll report back after updating to v178 (in a couple of days) if there's any change to Panorama mod.
If you want to make a panorama using the wide angle lens, then there is a workaround. I use an app called 'Bimostitch' which can make panoramas from a group of photos.
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I'm on v161(C431) and there's no panoramic photos with super wide angle. I'll report back after updating to v178 (in a couple of days) if there's any change to Panorama mod.
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Today I got new update and they are no Panoramic super wide angle.
NJ72 said:
If you want to make a panorama using the wide angle lens, then there is a workaround. I use an app called 'Bimostitch' which can make panoramas from a group of photos.
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Thx, Yes I have this application. But still it. Will be grate to have suoer wide angle camera.
I found a way to take good macro shots without having focus difficulties and without using additional physical lens.
Im using BSG gcam (MGC_8.1.101_A9_GV1m) with Wichaya-8.1-1.2-Dennis-mi11Ultra.xml.
But i bet you can use other Gcam versions as well
Im using Digital Zoom with the Ultrawide by selecting ultrawide 0.6x and then pinching with fingers so it uses up to 10x digital zoom and doesn't change to the main lens.
I also leave the Automatic Focus ON, i tried the other focus types but its better for Gcam to do it automatically.
I read that, Its the Ultrawide that has the Macro features, but for some reason on Xiaomi stock camera when you use it it changes to the main camera.
Here's some examples, I haven't tested much besides these coins but I think it's the right way to go about it.
I also use the max Digital zoom 10x but i bet you can reduce abit to achieve better quality.
I also tried with my skin and fingertips and it can focus real good as close range.
If you tried it send some examples here.
Thanks for sharing this! I just tried to do a few macro shots on the stock camera and then pinched in a little bit from 0.6x to 0.9x with my fingers as well. I couldn't force a higher Hybrid Zoom on the UW on stock though but it still looked great imo.
The results turned out better than I expected (I'm running the latest v21.8.11 Xiaomi.eu weekly).
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kyero985 said:
Thanks for sharing this! I just tried to do a few macro shots on the stock camera and then pinched in a little bit from 0.6x to 0.9x with my fingers as well. I couldn't force a higher Hybrid Zoom on the UW on stock though but it still looked great imo.
The results turned out better than I expected (I'm running the latest v21.8.11 Xiaomi.eu weekly).
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But thats using the stock camera, you can only go up to 0.9x digital before switching to main and the focus doesnt work properly in stock app aswell
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But thats using the stock camera, you can only go up to 0.9x digital before switching to main and the focus doesnt work properly in stock app aswell
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The camera is pretty disappointing in some respects for an ultra premium camera phone
In some comparisons on YouTube the regular mi 11 took better pics than the ultra and they have decided to use the 108mp camera in the mi mix 4 so i guess they realise this one was a dud
Regular cam seems ok for macro if you move back a few inches and then zoom in
Use the main lens in 50MP mode and crop. FAR better macro than using the ultra wide.
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