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Benchmark is bad on RR

I am running RR and am getting under 40k with antutu benchmark
i am wondering why it is so low and if someone can help me.
i am running xposed with the following modules
amplify - not blocking anything though yet
app settings - used for a couple apps that need 640 dpi to operate since i am running at 480 dpi
blacklist
boot manager
google offline voice
greenify
iFont
unbelovedhosts
xinstaller
xprivacy - not blocking anything with it yet
youtube adaway
is there any apps that would cause such a low performance. i tried installing the kernel by @BayButcher and modifying it to his battery suggestions and i am about to try his performance setup for his kernel to see if that does anything. but i was getting near 50k with stock so i figure i should be better with CM12.1 or RR.

johnbravado said:
I am running RR and am getting under 40k with antutu benchmark
i am wondering why it is so low and if someone can help me.
i was getting near 50k with stock so i figure i should be better with CM12.1 or RR.
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In thermal settings, you will have to set the temperature higher. Intellithermal aggressively throttles the CPU. I set it for 65 degrees for just "normal" operations, because it seems to start throttling 10 degrees sooner than what you set.
So for a benchmark that makes you feel better, set the degree limit even higher. How high is however high you are willing to risk... Also, before you take the benchmark tests, stick the phone in the freezer with a ziplock bag for a few minutes to let it really cool down. Then start the test, put it back in the freezer while the test is running. The phone will run faster longer while cool, and won't throttle the CPU.
I mean, benchmarks are for bragging rights, yes?
When you finish the benchmarks test, then put the degree limit back down to like 65 degrees for everyday use.
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50,000 -- here's Antutu results at 65 degrees throttling and freezer trick. I could get higher if I set my thermal setting even higher -- which would be safe temporarily as long as I chilled the phone first IN the freezer and kept it there during testing.
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ChazzMatt said:
In thermal settings, you will have to set the temperature higher. Intellithermal aggressively throttles the CPU. I set it for 65 degrees for just "normal" operations, because it seems to start throttling 10 degrees sooner than what you set.
So for a benchmark that makes you feel better, set the degree limit even higher. How high is however high you are willing to risk... Also, before you take the benchmark tests, stick the phone in the freezer with a ziplock bag for a few minutes to let it really cool down. Then start the test, put it back in the freezer while the test is running. The phone will run faster longer while cool, and won't throttle the CPU.
I mean, benchmarks are for bragging rights, yes?
When you finish the benchmarks test, then put the degree limit back down to like 65 degrees for everyday use.
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I agree benchmarks are for bragging, but they are still a benchmark. if stock out of the box i can get a 48-49k benchmark and i do some mods and can get a 55k benchmark that is for bragging. but if it drops to 40k something is broke. . I am going to try the increased temperature and run another test. the performance setup only got me to 41k.
i am really confused now. i reinstalled computerfreeks ROM which before bootloader unlock gave me 50k and now it gave me 35k. i am going back to RR because I like it more but need to find out what caused performance issues.

johnbravado said:
I agree benchmarks are for bragging, but they are still a benchmark. if stock out of the box i can get a 48-49k benchmark and i do some mods and can get a 55k benchmark that is for bragging. but if it drops to 40k something is broke. . I am going to try the increased temperature and run another test. the performance setup only got me to 41k.
i am really confused now. i reinstalled computerfreeks ROM which before bootloader unlock gave me 50k and now it gave me 35k. i am going back to RR because I like it more but need to find out what caused performance issues.
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My main point is while the custom ROM may give you increased performance and options, the default kernel thermal throttling points (for frequency as well as for core -- two separate settings) may be sabotaging benchmark tests.
I increased frequency point to 65 degrees, because that REALLY means 55 degrees, for some reason.
I didn't even touch the "core" thermal setting...
And my 50,000 result was on stock 640 dpi.

Cm12 is the same way. Low benchmark. I'm saying with exposed and stock
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tecsironman said:
Cm12 is the same way. Low benchmark. I'm saying with exposed and stock
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I'm on CM, but with @baybutcher27 kernel. See my benchmark results above.

ChazzMatt said:
I'm on CM, but with @baybutcher27 kernel. See my benchmark results above.
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Yeah, but you obtained those results by tweaking the phone and subjecting it to non-real world conditions. I can get 52K on the stock rom by doing absolutely nothing and having a bunch of xposed modules active, and I think that's the issue that the OP is concerned about. The relationship between benchmark scores and real world performance is debatable, but I think he has a valid point.

johnbravado said:
I agree benchmarks are for bragging, but they are still a benchmark. if stock out of the box i can get a 48-49k benchmark and i do some mods and can get a 55k benchmark that is for bragging. but if it drops to 40k something is broke. . I am going to try the increased temperature and run another test. the performance setup only got me to 41k.
i am really confused now. i reinstalled computerfreeks ROM which before bootloader unlock gave me 50k and now it gave me 35k. i am going back to RR because I like it more but need to find out what caused performance issues.
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The caused of the performance issues is simple heat vs battery level.
Has the device get hot it get low score because more throttle down, has the battery gets low same ting there is a setting to lock the clock under a frequency if the battery get too low, it starts only at 20%.
very simple table:
Code:
thresholds 80 85 90
thresholds_clr 79 84 89
actions cpu cpu cpu
action_info 2265600 1958400 1728000
this is editable this is in the file
system/etc/thermal-engine-quark.conf
I never try to edit it but you can.
But in my test I find that there is more then this file make the performance get low, and for me is just the battery as it get low the performance get too, but the battery is only responsible for some very little % of this the heat is 90 to 95% responsible.
So be aware that you problem is more heat you heat your device installing ROM make and restore backup don't give time to the device cools down and test.
No matter the ROM you try that will be the result, unless you can set the temp threshold higher like in a custom Kernel.

baybutcher27 said:
The caused of the performance issues is simple heat vs battery level.
Has the device get hot it get low score because more throttle down, has the battery gets low same ting there is a setting to lock the clock under a frequency if the battery get too low, it starts only at 20%.
very simple table:
Code:
thresholds 80 85 90
thresholds_clr 79 84 89
actions cpu cpu cpu
action_info 2265600 1958400 1728000
this is editable this is in the file
system/etc/thermal-engine-quark.conf
I never try to edit it but you can.
But in my test I find that there is more then this file make the performance get low, and for me is just the battery as it get low the performance get too, but the battery is only responsible for some very little % of this the heat is 90 to 95% responsible.
So be aware that you problem is more heat you heat your device installing ROM make and restore backup don't give time to the device cools down and test.
No matter the ROM you try that will be the result, unless you can set the temp threshold higher like in a custom Kernel.
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I am willing to buy into the heat issue since i am changing between ROMS and such so i got a few things against me
1) chargin phone
2) restoring different ROM
3) not giving adequate time to cool
i am going to let eveything settle a little with RR and retest. i am using your kernel and used your performance recomendations. i am not a gamer i just do not like clicking a button and waiting. or wa5tching me type faster than the phone can output to a field

TheSt33v said:
Yeah, but you obtained those results by tweaking the phone and subjecting it to non-real world conditions. I can get 52K on the stock rom by doing absolutely nothing and having a bunch of xposed modules active, and I think that's the issue that the OP is concerned about. The relationship between benchmark scores and real world performance is debatable, but I think he has a valid point.
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Yes exactly. i did nothing between test a and test b except unlock bootloader and install RR, CM12.1. and yet i got a huge performance drop. but same issue was with the computerfreek version which is like stock. so i am thinking it has to do with something else not playing friendly.
i would assume if with stock out the box i could pull 50k then with RR and a kernel boost i should be able to pull 52k.

TheSt33v said:
Yeah, but you obtained those results by tweaking the phone and subjecting it to non-real world conditions. I can get 52K on the stock rom by doing absolutely nothing and having a bunch of xposed modules active, and I think that's the issue that the OP is concerned about. The relationship between benchmark scores and real world performance is debatable, but I think he has a valid point.
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Tweaking the phone? Mostly all I did was change the CUSTOM kernel throttling conditions. When you root your phone, from that point on you are TWEAKING your phone. Give me a break.
Yeah, I also cooled the phone, so that is non-real world conditions, but changing the quite arbitrary throttling point is quite logical when it's been PROVEN that throttling point affects performance and actually starts throttling even sooner!
Read this.
xxspookyxx said:
I think change gorvenor to conservative dont solve the problem.
To me dont make any difference, the better Gorvernor works well with my Moto maxx are Interactive_pro.
To getter better performance of my phone, i need change Thermal Frequency Throttle to 80º C, most custom roms use Intellithermal method, and they are very sensivity to temperature.
If you choose 80º C, they will reach in max 70º to begin the throttle the processor.
Stock Custom Roms are 60ºC in Thermal Frequency Throttle, i change to 80ºC and my phone are very fast now.
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So, on your custom ROM kernel, change your governor, change your throttle points.

OK i am satisfied here. i unplugged the phone and benchmarked at 50.7k. apparently charging the phone cripples its productivity. i did not think it would cripple it that bad. and if this is a known thing i apologize for the posting.
i can now go back to enjoying the awesome RR and tweaking it.

ChazzMatt said:
I'm on CM, but with @baybutcher27 kernel. See my benchmark results above.
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Yes sir I saw that.. Maybe I'll give cm12 another shot with butchers kernel. I'm at work ATM with just my otg and little time.
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My Turbo that I haven't bootloader unlocked. All stock with some stuff disabled in settings.

ChazzMatt said:
Tweaking the phone? Mostly all I did was change the CUSTOM kernel throttling conditions. When you root your phone, from that point on you are TWEAKING your phone. Give me a break.
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Yeah, okay, so all you did was change some throttling conditions. But you know what I had to do in order to get a higher benchmark than the one you got? Nothing. At room temperature. That's a problem. One of the main purposes of unlocking one's phone is increasing performance, not reducing it.
If the problem is simply an incorrectly set throttle point, all you should have to do to get 52K at room temperature is change the throttle point high enough, right? No cooling required. So let's see that. If you can get 52K without melting your phone in a normal usage environment, then good. No worries. Mine didn't even get hot during the benchmark, so you should be able to easily exceed my 52K score. If not, there is an issue that I think should be addressed.
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johnbravado said:
OK i am satisfied here. i unplugged the phone and benchmarked at 50.7k. apparently charging the phone cripples its productivity. i did not think it would cripple it that bad. and if this is a known thing i apologize for the posting.
i can now go back to enjoying the awesome RR and tweaking it.
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Charging = heat generation = throttling, so yes, that would do it. I'm still curious to see if CM and this custom kernel can break 52K though. I'm waiting for CM13 before I make the switch, but I might reconsider if I have to sacrifice some performance. The technical power of this phone was half the reason I bought it.

Stock cm12.1 benched 48,000 screen on.
Screen off it was 43,000.
I'm happy with it. I also think the battery life is mildly better.
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ChazzMatt said:
Tweaking the phone? Mostly all I did was change the CUSTOM kernel throttling conditions. When you root your phone, from that point on you are TWEAKING your phone. Give me a break.
Yeah, I also cooled the phone, so that is non-real world conditions, but changing the quite arbitrary throttling point is quite logical when it's been PROVEN that throttling point affects performance and actually starts throttling even sooner!
Read this.
So, on your custom ROM kernel, change your governor, change your throttle points.
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Can I just flash butchers kernel and not mess with it? Is it good to go after flash or will I have to play around with settings?
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After you flash it there is nothing saying you need to change anything.
I would imagine he has the presets at what he thinks is best.
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Just FYI, I'm running computerfreek's latest unlocked ROM with xposed and about 10 modules. No changes to thermal setting (don't know the default for this ROM either), and just have it sitting on the desk. I'm also, getting unbelievable battery life with servicely, amplify.

tecsironman said:
Can I just flash butchers kernel and not mess with it? Is it good to go after flash or will I have to play around with settings?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-maxx/development/kernel-bhb27-kernel-t3207526
the writer of the kernel has said it needs some adjustments since he does not turn them on by default. but he gives 2 setups, 1 for battery and 1 for performance on post #2. i just set it up as per post #2 until i understand more what is going on with the kernel.

[ 8 cores - They all work? And how they work? ] ???

Hi!
So, i found how the 8 cores from the P8 Lite works!
First of all, based on the Cortex-A53 the octa-core 64-bit Kirin 620 processor was made to supports HDR photography, and 1080p HD video encoding and decoding. The chipset also supports ultra-fast LTE Cat4 with downlink speeds up to 150Mbps. The performance can be comparable to Qualcomm’s Snapdragon 410.
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So, how it works in phone?
I installed the app System2 and stay for a will observing the cpus and is like this, the first block of 4 cores are linked and have for objective the first ground apps, the ones that are running "in first plan", the second block of 4 cores are for background apps and functions like for example installing a app, in the image below i was updating from Google Play you can see the first block of 4 cores almost sleeping and the second block of cores almost at 100.
You can confirm this by the graphics color.
So, like this in a benchmark the scores are from the first block of 4 cores, and the phone release them from the not so important apps and put them in the second block of a 4 cores.
Like this, first block of 4 cores are masters, second block of 4 cores are slaves!
The kernel specifies what each core does.
Will this helps in improvement? I think so, but not a hudge one.
This explains why Benchmark apps give the same scores then a 4 cores CPU, they are only using the first block of 4 cores ...
ExtremeTech said:
Applications like Geekbench have become popular as a way to demonstrate the theoretical performance of smartphone SoCs, but real-world application testing shines a different light on things (Moor Insights also tested camera and chat applications to round out their multi-core evaluation). As things stand, there are some benefits to quad-core devices and virtually no gains from octa-core. In a few cases, moving to more cores actually makes things worse. The overall situation will depend on which applications you use, but the relentless push to add cores is doing end-users no favors.
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We don't have big.LITTLE...

dominj97 said:
We don't have big.LITTLE...
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But works in the same way ...
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persona78 said:
But works in the same way ...
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I don't get how does it save power or does anything else good for this device processor to work only 4 cores at time, when all 8 cores are similiar to each others. Maybe I read a bit hastly but I only find stuff about how it helps power saving if all cores aren't the same.

keikari said:
I don't get how does it save power or does anything else good for this device processor to work only 4 cores at time, when all 8 cores are similiar to each others. Maybe I read a bit hastly but I only find stuff about how it helps power saving if all cores aren't the same.
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You're right, what is the plan here? Same cores, but only 4 working for power saving? It's something else, I guess.. It's not big.little... And how we can activate all of them...?

That was stated a of times on this forum. The phones uses them all. Use an app like system panel 2. It will show all of them.

I found this to...
ExtremeTech said:
Applications like Geekbench have become popular as a way to demonstrate the theoretical performance of smartphone SoCs, but real-world application testing shines a different light on things (Moor Insights also tested camera and chat applications to round out their multi-core evaluation). As things stand, there are some benefits to quad-core devices and virtually no gains from octa-core. In a few cases, moving to more cores actually makes things worse. The overall situation will depend on which applications you use, but the relentless push to add cores is doing end-users no favors.
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme...re-smartphone-isnt-as-fast-as-you-think-it-is
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Vinnipinni said:
That was stated a of times on this forum. The phones uses them all. Use an app like system panel 2. It will show all of them.
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Do you need to do something to make it show all cores? It's only showing 4 cores online for me.

just my 2p:
Set battery to smart (hope it's the english version), then use asphalt 8 (or other heavy app)
Set battery to performance, then use asphalt 8 (or other heavy app)
You can see a lot of difference.
Set battery to smart (hope it's the english version), check battery percentage, then use as always your phone, after 1 hour check battery percentage again
Set battery to performance, check battery percentage, then use as always your phone, after 1 hour check battery percentage again

Use Antutu and when testing cpu, look at system panel 2 and you will see all the cores working at 100% In this capture is not 100% but I have managed to work at 100%
It has to be a stock rom or it has not changed the kernel, most of the custom rom has a bug in the kernel and the cpu does not work well.

juanche007 said:
Use Antutu and when testing cpu, look at system panel 2 and you will see all the cores working at 100% In this capture is not 100% but I have managed to work at 100%
It has to be a stock rom or it has not changed the kernel, most of the custom rom has a bug in the kernel and the cpu does not work well.
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I test it with cpu monitor, i run Antutu and nothing happens in the last 4cores...
Check the image below, the high curve is when i was testing with Antutu... The 4 cores bellow are sleeping.

THEY ARE NOT SLEEPING. The most apps are not able to display all cores. Run antutu and try system panel 2. PACperformance is also able to display all cores. There are some others, but most aren't able.

persona78 said:
I test it with cpu monitor, i run Antutu and nothing happens in the last 4cores...
Check the image below, the high curve is when i was testing with Antutu... The 4 cores bellow are sleeping.
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Plus you can "unlock" the mhz, you can have constant 1200MHz by deleting/renaming something... Kernel Adiutor doesn't really help... I tested this too, and it worked, the only thing is that somehow i'm getting stable 22-25 fps, next runs stable 40 on 3dmark, idk why sometimes I have those low fps-es...

Vinnipinni said:
THEY ARE NOT SLEEPING. The most apps are not able to display all cores. Run antutu and try system panel 2. PACperformance is also able to display all cores. There are some others, but most aren't able.
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You are right and me to!
I installed the app that you use and stay for a will observing the cpus and is like this, the first 4 cores are linked and have for objective the apps that are running "in first plan", the second block are for background apps and functions like installing a app, in the image below i was updating from Google Play you can see the first 4 cores almost sleeping and the second block of cores almost at 100.
You can confirm this by the graphics color.
So, like this in a benchmark the scores are from the first 4 cores, and the phone release them from the not so important apps and put them in the second block of a 4cores.
Like this, first 4 are masters, second 4 are slaves.
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persona78 said:
You are right and me to!
I installed the app that you use and stay for a will observing the cpus and is like this, the first 4 cores are linked and have for objective the apps that are running "in first plan", the second block are for background apps and functions like installing a app, in the image below i was updating from Google Play you can see the first 4 cores almost sleeping and the second block of cores almost at 100.
You can confirm this by the graphics color.
So, like this in a benchmark the scores are from the first 4 cores, and the phone release them from the not so important apps and put them in the second block of a 4cores.
Like this, first 4 are masters, second 4 are slaves.
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Are games using all cores, like for ex. minecraft pe, gta sa, mobile legends, rr3 etc.?

Vinnipinni said:
THEY ARE NOT SLEEPING. The most apps are not able to display all cores. Run antutu and try system panel 2. PACperformance is also able to display all cores. There are some others, but most aren't able.
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PACPerformance shows wrong info. Or at least shows wrong info for offline cores. Can be tested by turning cores 1-3 off.

D1stRU3T0R said:
Are games using all cores, like for ex. minecraft pe, gta sa, mobile legends, rr3 etc.?
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Im sure it use it, heavy games use many background functions like graphics, and like i read in some Huawei site this cpu is built regarding media functions like filming in 1080p, pictures etc.
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So, i re-write the main post.
Correct me if im wrong!
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You should uninstall HWPowerGenie or However it's called. Then all cores will be used the same IIRC

Vinnipinni said:
You should uninstall HWPowerGenie or However it's called. Then all cores will be used the same IIRC
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I have edited my HwPowerGenieEngine3 app so i know what is inside the app but the app only controls the frequencies on hidle, on perfomance, etc, doens´t control how cpus works.
Code:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<cpu_load version="1">
<para modid="0">
<upload>80</upload>
<upchecktimes>2</upchecktimes>
<upcheckspace>1000</upcheckspace>
<upoffset>200000</upoffset>
<maxchecktimes>120</maxchecktimes>
</para>
<para modid="1">
<upload>90</upload>
<upchecktimes>2</upchecktimes>
<upcheckspace>2000</upcheckspace>
<upoffset>200000</upoffset>
<maxchecktimes>250</maxchecktimes>
</para>
<para modid="2">
<upload>90</upload>
<upchecktimes>2</upchecktimes>
<upcheckspace>2000</upcheckspace>
<upoffset>200000</upoffset>
<maxchecktimes>60</maxchecktimes>
</para>
<para modid="3">
<upload>95</upload>
<upchecktimes>3</upchecktimes>
<upcheckspace>2000</upcheckspace>
<upoffset>200000</upoffset>
<maxchecktimes>60</maxchecktimes>
</para>
</cpu_load>
And in pictures you can see the files inside the app.
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[ROOT][Thermal Fix] FSC Thermal Mod

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Faster Smarter Cooler (FSC) .. A well balanced Snapdragon 810
Code:
** Your warranty is now not void.
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** war, You take the full responsibility of your actions
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Update July 31, 2018
This thread is marked as discontinued. This means that It won't be updated so don't bother asking and I will not publish any more posts here or contribute to the general discussion. However, I might add files from time to time if necessary.
How it works
The default thermal cooling mechanism on Sony flagships isn't very efficient. This MOD basically starts throttling the frequencies gradually at certain optimal temperatures allowing the device to cool-down faster while maintaning a good performance.
Main advantages
- Improved overall performance
- Less heat & faster cool down
- Maintain a consistent performance for extended periods of time
- Prolonged camera usage, video recording
- Suitable for daily usage & gaming
Compatibility
Code:
- Xperia Z3+ Z4 Z5 (All variants)
Downloads
[URL="https://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z5/development/mod-fsc-1-0-dont-sacrifice-performance-t3670586"]https://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z5/development/mod-fsc-1-0-dont-sacrifice-performance-t3670586
Performance Benchmarks (Attached below)
OUTDATED
I know It's a phone not a PC but it's an accurate way to see how well we can handle stress
The following tests are done at room temperature on Xperia Z5 E6653 using the following set-up :
- RR ROM
- Kernel by @zacharias.maladroit NovaCore_I.1_n_1_10_C_1_6_3
Two consecutive tests each time are done with no delay between for : Stock thermal engine, FSC, FSC+
More tests for stock ROM/KERNEL can be found HERE

Instructions
- Flash the zip
- Reboot and enjoy
Extras
- Use a more reliable kernel, for LOS,Carbon,RR,crDroid I recommend latest by @zacharias.maladroit
I highly recommend my LKT™ Mod .. very smooth and battery friendly on Z5
Telegram : https://t.me/FSC_XDA​

Thanks for your contribution to this community.
One question, why did u remove GPU control from emmc therm 0? This doesn't seem a very good idea to me, because from my testing it seems the GPU is generating the most heat.
I have made a thermal mod too, a while ago. Look it up, it's somewhere on XDA (too lazy to search, lol)
I'll keep an eye on this interesting project.
Regards.

langeveld024 said:
Thanks for your contribution to this community.
One question, why did u remove GPU control from emmc therm 0? This doesn't seem a very good idea to me, because from my testing it seems the GPU is generating the most heat.
I have made a thermal mod too, a while ago. Look it up, it's somewhere on XDA (too lazy to search, lol)
I'll keep an eye on this interesting project.
Regards.
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Thanks for passing by , I did not remove GPU control give [emmc_therm__2.DEFAULT] a look.
I kept values as close to stock .. Actually decreased frequencies from 630 to 510 in temp range 48900 - 53200
I kept them as close to stock because main focus is the cpu for current version
I'll see what I can do further with GPU tweaking in next versions
Just re-uploaded FSC+ and the stock restoration zip (fixed a small issue with the zip)
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EDIT : New version is up please re-download I'm certain everyone will love it .. enjoy
Now using a very friendly and balanced GPU scaling based on nexus 6p nougat thermal engine

Great job there, stock z5 is terrible in performance terms really so mods are apreciated. Thanks!!!
Gpu is responsible for overheting in my opinion allso, it surges in terms of heat when under load and then all throttles down cause of it.
I still managed to get somewhat similar results with settings that worked for me till now (disabled qualcom core control) modified thermal.config (not my work).
Staring temperature prior to test:
52 cpu. 56 gpu. 41,7 batt
Geek Bench 411
first run
1442 single core
3407 multi core
Second run
1361 single core
3270 multicore
3D MARK (very demanding test)
Slingshot extreme test start from cold device scored 1883
Slingshot extreme test imediate second run scored 1770
End temperature after tests:
59 cpu. 64 gpu. 46,2 batt
I use .5.11 rooted stock
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Could be possible to contain gpu very low somehow so it does not produce excessive heat, so cpu can be maintained at higher frequ?
I use kernel aduitor but it seems i cannot control gpu temp. Like i would really like it to.

stipi69 said:
Great job there, stock z5 is terrible in performance terms really so mods are apreciated. Thanks!!!
Gpu is responsible for overheting in my opinion allso, it surges in terms of heat when under load and then all throttles down cause of it.
I still managed to get somewhat similar results with settings that worked for me till now (disabled qualcom core control) modified thermal.config (not my work).
Staring temperature prior to test:
52 cpu. 56 gpu. 41,7 batt
Geek Bench 411
first run
1442 single core
3407 multi core
Second run
1361 single core
3270 multicore
3D MARK (very demanding test)
Slingshot extreme test start from cold device scored 1883
Slingshot extreme test imediate second run scored 1770
End temperature after tests:
59 cpu. 64 gpu. 46,2 batt
I use .5.11 rooted stock
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Could be possible to contain gpu very low somehow so it does not produce excessive heat, so cpu can be maintained at higher frequ?
I use kernel aduitor but it seems i cannot control gpu temp. Like i would really like it to.
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Please remember that this MOD IS NOT INTENDED FOR HARDCORE GAMING/CRUSHING PERFORMANCE LIMITS (even though can handle it) but rather to give more balance and satisfy everyone, here's is a quick 3D Mark test for both stock and FSC 1.1 (2 runs each)
Heat handling obviously improved since score dropped by less than- 100 point compared to -400 on default engine and all that time temperature always stayed below 42 unlike stock .. I'm not really into pushing the GPU since it's not that powerful and overheat fast but I'll see what I can do more for further optimization if needed .

Awesome mods, Seems very potential. I'm testing and will share my experience soon.
Thanks a bunch, mr. @korom42

Interesting... Would this mod work on non-stock rom (crDroid) ?

korom42 said:
Thanks for passing by , I did not remove GPU control give [emmc_therm__2.DEFAULT] a look.
I kept values as close to stock .. Actually decreased frequencies from 630 to 510 in temp range 48900 - 53200
I kept them as close to stock because main focus is the cpu for current version
I'll see what I can do further with GPU tweaking in next versions
Just re-uploaded FSC+ and the stock restoration zip (fixed a small issue with the zip)
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EDIT : New version is up please re-download I'm certain everyone will love it .. enjoy
Now using a very friendly and balanced GPU scaling based on nexus 6p nougat thermal engine
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I uploaded original file and my modified file (based on carbon ROM, but almost the same as stock Sony) to show u the changes I made.
Take a look and feel free to use the GPU values as a comparison.
Im getting very good results with these values.
Regards.

What to difference between [MOD] FSC Thermal Engine 1.1.zip with [MOD] FSC+Thermal Engine 1.1.zip file?

I'm keen to try this on my Moto X force/ space heater.
What exactly does this change? As it's been designed for the Sony I just want to know it's not likely to hard brick the device (soft brick is fine, I can reflash if it all goes wrong).
Thanks for developing this anyway

sirdoha said:
Awesome mods, Seems very potential. I'm testing and will share my experience soon.
Thanks a bunch, mr. @korom42
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Thanks for passing by .. glad to help, enjoy ..
nreuge said:
Interesting... Would this mod work on non-stock rom (crDroid) ?
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Yes it is compatible with all roms as mentioned above
langeveld024 said:
I uploaded original file and my modified file (based on carbon ROM, but almost the same as stock Sony) to show u the changes I made.
Take a look and feel free to use the GPU values as a comparison.
Im getting very good results with these values.
Regards.
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Nice tweaks there thanks for sharing !
UriahNazarian said:
What to difference between [MOD] FSC Thermal Engine 1.1.zip with [MOD] FSC+Thermal Engine 1.1.zip file?
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Read the notes from 2nd post
c9701141 said:
I'm keen to try this on my Moto X force/ space heater.
What exactly does this change? As it's been designed for the Sony I just want to know it's not likely to hard brick the device (soft brick is fine, I can reflash if it all goes wrong).
Thanks for developing this anyway
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You can give it a try, just backup thermal-engine.conf file found in \system\etc.
FSC+ is recommended, to make sure that it's working open kernel auditor and look for unused frequencies history at the bottom for big you have find 1824 and 1958 (at least) and 1555Mhz (at least) for small cores, if not restore your original thermal-engine.conf because it's not working and share it here if you interested I may tweak a version for your device when I'm free .

Do I need to turn on these settings on EX kernel manager to take advantage of your mod?
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korom42 said:
You can give it a try, just backup thermal-engine.conf file found in \system\etc.
FSC+ is recommended, to make sure that it's working open kernel auditor and look for unused frequencies history at the bottom for big you have find 1824 and 1958 (at least) and 1555Mhz (at least) for small cores, if not restore your original thermal-engine.conf because it's not working and share it here if you interested I may tweak a version for your device when I'm free .
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Thanks; I'll give it a go and feed back. It might be a few days until I get the opportunity.

Anybody tested this on Marshmallow?

Anyone tested camera after installing this mode? Looks buggy for me on stock 7.1.1 FW
Sent from my E6633 using Tapatalk

sry for asking that question, but how do you apply that mod? can you post a guide for that? ^^' i really want to try that mod, because of the heating problems

TrayK said:
sry for asking that question, but how do you apply that mod? can you post a guide for that? ^^' i really want to try that mod, because of the heating problems
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Flash it via TWRP recovery

shehabskull said:
Anyone tested camera after installing this mode? Looks buggy for me on stock 7.1.1 FW
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tested on Xperia Z5 7.1.1, Camera feels laggy / stuttering, however great effort; heat is definitely controlled. hope we fix the camera issue also feels laggy if running multiple apps such as facebook, chrome, etc.

xperia z5 android 7.0.0
bleibt beim sony logo mit dem weißen bildschirm stehen.
leider kein erfolg, habe das handy mittlerweile 5 mal neu geflasht....
laut twrp erfolgreich, chache auch geleert, dann dead.

[Kernel][Stable][GPU OC][MIUI & CUSTOM] eXtremeKernel V2.1 for MI-9

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Afraid to install that high performance 3D Game because your device just won't take it ? ,Want to rock Asphalt Legends on Ultra Graphics? Got no time to charge your device on the run?Or Maybe You Just Want to Embrace your Device Reborn. Behold!. "The eXtreme kernel" .. here to lift your desire for performance and battery beyond limits and measures.. and to the "eXtreme" you deserve more than" Stock ". you deserve "eXtreme" . unleash the true power of your device like never before, while you can. why live the stock life when u can go all the way "extreme!!"
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Full Changelog!
-Reworked source
-Fixed Audio
-Fixed Wifi
-Fixed Bootloop on EU ROM
-Extended GPU Table
-Stable GPU OC to 770 MHz
-Devfreq Boost
-Cpu input Boost
-fsync on/off support
-F2FS Support
-DisplayOC to 75 Hz
-Lot TCP Algorithms (westwood,veno,yeah..)
-300 Hz TImer for Best Performance and Battery
-Battery and Performance Improvments
-USB Fast Charge
-GPU idle timeout set to 64 ms
-Use LZ4 compression instread of lzo
Note:If you want DIsplayOc to work you must flash provided patched dtbo image with fastboot!
Note1:flashing dtbo might break wide-angle camera though
Note2:if you get Error like unknown ramdisk compreesion flash magisk before installing kernel!
-More Features Soon!
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[Kernel][Stable][GPU OC][MIUI & CUSTOM] eXtremeKernel V2.1 for MI-9
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Source Code: https://github.com/eXtremeKernel/mi9
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Stable Release Date: 2019-03-10
Created 2019-03-01
Last Updated 2019-03-21

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Donation made... Succes,!

That Was faaaast. Thanks. Anyione tested it yet?

Is the kernel going to be the same for both Chinese ROM and Global ROM? Works on both versions or just one or the other?

EniGmA1987 said:
Is the kernel going to be the same for both Chinese ROM and Global ROM? Works on both versions or just one or the other?
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Kernel js Compatible with All Miui Versions also Custom Roms too

will test this when i unlock the bootloader. 300 hours left

nosidefcp said:
will test this when i unlock the bootloader. 300 hours left
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thanks i'm waiting!

china jay chou said:
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backup your current boot image and flash the boot image that i posted or contact me on telegram @AlekDev

eXtremeKernel V0.2 is pushed on download center
https://downloads.extremekernel.xyz/
Changelog:
-Fixed Wifi
-Boeffla WakeLock Blocker
-KCAL Support
-Display Oc to 65 Hz
-GPU OC to 605 Mhz (experimental!)
-fsync on/off support
Please Test and tell me!

display overclock huh? Thats pretty interesting. I always wanted to try the Razer Phone's 120Hz display but didnt want to spend the money just to try it out. Do you think the electronics in this will go higher than 65Hz? Or is that the limit from your testing?
I will be trying out your kernel as soon as my phone gets here, but unfortunately that might be a while for the Transparent Edition :/

EniGmA1987 said:
display overclock huh? Thats pretty interesting. I always wanted to try the Razer Phone's 120Hz display but didnt want to spend the money just to try it out. Do you think the electronics in this will go higher than 65Hz? Or is that the limit from your testing?
I will be trying out your kernel as soon as my phone gets here, but unfortunately that might be a while for the Transparent Edition :/
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well depends of the quality of the panels but i think mi9 can go to 70hz
Sent from my POCOPHONE F1 using Tapatalk

Hey Guys!
Well here is some exciting Good News the GPU OC seems working fine it improved GPU score 5K+ more on antutu benchmarks (currently 610 MHz-25 MHz more than Stock Freq) i think we can go higher but for that i will need more testers and yeah motivation too
Also Currently i have done Display OC to 65HZ to the ea8076 panel since currently i got that panel if there is others i will OC it too maybe we can go higher too this will make damn lot smoother experience
The Benchmark was Done with Governor to Performance and DIsable Fsync but keep in mind also Device is throtlled about Higher Temps ,Anyway with Hard Work we can Unleash the Beast of MI-9 and hit probably 400k+
Anyway Working Blindly Is very Hard so Keep in Mind that doing this stuff is hard without device,The fundrase campaign is Open and i appearicite every donation!,You can Donate here:
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Thanks for your Support!
Lot more stuff Coming Soon!

going higher [emoji41]
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First Stable Version of eXtremeKernel is OUT​-Based on Latest Xiaomi Source
-Working Wifi
-GPU OC to 645 MHz and Tuned Freq Table
-Display OC to 65Hz (currently ea8076 panel)
-fsync on/off support
-More Features Soon!
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@Alek Dev
I haven't even bought the mi9 (but soon will) and I already love this Kernel. Not that I am complaining, but 855 GPU is already more than strong enough (like 50% faster than the Mali in s10 exynos, and even that is more than enough for any games on playstore). I say: dont push your luck with further GPU oc (u may fry your chip ;-( and that would be bad for us all cus then no further development of this kernel ) but rather see if the CPU can go higher. If yes, then exynos won't have anything on this 855..

sensationvsgalaxy said:
@Alek Dev
I haven't even bought the mi9 (but soon will) and I already love this Kernel. Not that I am complaining, but 855 GPU is already more than strong enough (like 50% faster than the Mali in s10 exynos, and even that is more than enough for any games on playstore). I say: dont push your luck with further GPU oc (u may fry your chip ;-( and that would be bad for us all cus then no further development of this kernel ) but rather see if the CPU can go higher. If yes, then exynos won't have anything on this 855..
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CPU can't be overclocked only Gpu...Anyway i'm carefully sending and testing values so no frying chips be sure

Alek Dev said:
CPU can't be overclocked only Gpu...Anyway i'm carefully sending and testing values so no frying chips be sure
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oh really? Thats very odd. Is it a matter of you cant access multipliers for the CPU(s)? And issue with the bigLittle config of the chip?
Do you have access to the base clock the whole things runs on? Maybe you could do tests with raising that which would increase the CPU cores, GPU, RAM speed, and ai cores.

EniGmA1987 said:
oh really? Thats very odd. Is it a matter of you cant access multipliers for the CPU(s)? And issue with the bigLittle config of the chip?
Do you have access to the base clock the whole things runs on? Maybe you could do tests with raising that which would increase the CPU cores, GPU, RAM speed, and ai cores.
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Well no access to anything about CPU,but Gpu oc is damn good and we hit 400k today [emoji3]
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[OP7PRO] ULTIMATE ROM/KERNEL BENCHMARK Comparison & Discussion - OOS vs AOSP

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So, I'm sure many of us have the burning question of which ROM/kernel any of us should use when it comes to pure performance. With so many ROMs out there, ones based on OOS, Havoc, Paranoid Android, crDroid, OmniROM, MIUI, the list just absolutely goes on. I want to use this thread as a way to inform people of any potential performance gains/loss when it comes to choosing a ROM, as well as just a thread to compare/talk about benchmarks in general.
So I've taken the liberty to run five different setups, (I can take some more as requests, if necessary.) and ran A LOT of benchmarks between all of them to see which ROM provides the best performance. These tests include four various games, some synthetic benchmarks, and storage tests. At the end of it all, I ran all the tests with some pretty heavy kernel based performance modifications that gave a surprising amount of performance gains in some scenarios.
The ROM setups I am using are:
Completely Stock (OOS Beta 11 with zero modifications)
Stock OOS Beta 11 but Magisk / xXx NoLimits xXx 10.1 / Data Formatted as F2FS
HavocOS 3.3 Build 3/17 w/ F2FS
Paranoid Android Quartz Beta 5 w/ F2FS
& Paranoid Android Quartz Beta 5 w/ F2FS AND SmurfKernel 3.5.1 rc17 slmk w/ Overclocks Enabled
All benchmarks were ran under the scrcpy ADB screen mirroring software, and under the settings I've used, it's shown to not provide any amount of performance loss. The command/options I've ran are "scrcpy --render-expired-frames -b 2M -m 768". That makes scrcpy not drop any lost frames (which will increase delay but make frame rate recording much more accurate), have a bitrate of 2Mbit/s, and have a screen height of only 768, which is easy for the phone to do while not incurring any performance loss. Game performance was recorded using MSI Afterburner over the scrcpy window, which isn't THE MOST accurate, but is the only option available due to certain apps not being able to be run under OOS (i.e. KFMARK actually offers these features in app, but crashes on OOS.)
So, lets get started, first, with the gaming benchmarks. I've chosen these games because they are the only ones that are intensive enough on the phone's hardware that can run without hitting the game's frame rate cap. The overclocking kernel of choice for these tests are @pappaschlumpf's SmurfKernel, all my settings can be found here.
GAMES:
Game 1:
Game 2:
Game 3:
Game 4:
ANTUTU:
3DMARK:
Test 1:
Test 2:
Test 3:
Test 4:
Test 5:
GFXBench 5.0:
Set 1:
Set 2:
Set 3:
Set 4:
Geekbench 5
AndroBench (Storage):
Set 1:
Set 2:
So, what is the takeaway from all this? Which is the winner of the best performing ROM? I think the short answer is, well, no one. Long answer? It really depends. Currently, I don't think ROMs alone can offer any amount of increase in CPU/GPU, giving any extra gaming performance. That seems to be solely up to the kernel.
At a glance, it may look like Havoc offers an immense increase in gaming performance from looking at all of the benchmarks. However, after checking Kernel Tuner, I actually noticed its kernel overclocks the GPU to 675 MHz, (up from 585).
Strangely, OOS seems to offer better SQLite performance than both other ROMs until some serious kernel tweaking is introduced. It may look like xXx NoLimits xXx gives higher storage based scores, but the gains were due to /data being formatted to F2FS. Thus, it seems like NoLimits provides zero recordable performance difference. Not sure what they mean by Speed/RAM optimized. Maybe it's just purely a debloating and keep-more-apps-in-Ram tool.
CPU scores between all ROMs is all within margin of error. I noticed higher MEM/Storage benchmark scores on AOSPA, as well as slightly faster app install times. However I imagine that comes from the fact that it uses the @arter97 kernel, not due to the ROM itself.
So, with all this said, I think the best ROM to choose is whichever one you feel like has the best features / ability to be a daily driver, not what you think will be better performance. I am personally sticking with Paranoid Android because some others have one or two annoying bugs that they haven't squashed and apps like Reachability Cursor and KFMark work seamlessly on it (unlike OOS).

remarkable

I miss crDroid, AOSPA and TreskMOD in that comparison. Good work anyway !

Mystenes said:
I miss crDroid, AOSPA and TreskMOD in that comparison. Good work anyway !
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How on earth did you miss AOSPA?

rejectedjs said:
How on earth did you miss AOSPA?
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Should be AOSiP

Mystenes said:
Should be AOSiP
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AOSiP is based on pure AOSP and doesn't have any official Android 10 releases, it's still running Pie, so I don't want to waste time getting into it. TreskMod is just another mod of OmniROM, which HavocOS is already largely based from. crDroid looks interesting, so I'm currently running it and trying it out for myself and will update with benchmarks eventually.

for a reliable test, you must flash the same kernel with same settings in all roms, smurf kernel for example works in stock and customs.
You have smurf kernel with forced 90 hz, the same setup must be in all customs and is misconfigured, if you have surfaceflinger boost on, you must disable frame commit boost and viceversa.

how about call of duty mobile game?did you test it out?thanksyou

Toni Moon said:
for a reliable test, you must flash the same kernel with same settings in all roms, smurf kernel for example works in stock and customs.
You have smurf kernel with forced 90 hz, the same setup must be in all customs and is misconfigured, if you have surfaceflinger boost on, you must disable frame commit boost and viceversa.
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I know SmurfKernel works on OOS / AOSP, the overclocking benchmarks weren't there to show "Look! SmurfKernel + AOSPA is so much better than others!", it's to show people how much of a difference overclocking can make, for them to make the decision of whether they think SmurfKernel's overclocking is worth flashing for or not. I didn't flash the same kernel to all ROMs because that's not the way the developers intended it to be. If the developers wanted their rom to be best experienced under SmurfKernel, they would have either explicitly stated it or packaged it in with the ROM. For example, the way AOSPA does with arter97's kernel. Flashing Smurf to everything would have defeated the purpose of comparing the ROMs.
xNovaLeader said:
how about call of duty mobile game?did you test it out?thanksyou
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Call of Duty Mobile already runs at it's frame rate cap of 60FPS on our phones, there would be zero difference between ROMs.

rejectedjs said:
I know SmurfKernel works on OOS / AOSP, the overclocking benchmarks weren't there to show "Look! SmurfKernel + AOSPA is so much better than others!", it's to show people how much of a difference overclocking can make, for them to make the decision of whether they think SmurfKernel's overclocking is worth flashing for or not. I didn't flash the same kernel to all ROMs because that's not the way the developers intended it to be, if the developers wanted their rom to be best experienced under SmurfKernel, they would have either explicitly stated it, or packaged it in with the ROM, like the way AOSPA does with arter97's kernel. Flashing Smurf to everything would have defeated the purpose of comparing the ROMs.
Call of Duty Mobile already runs at it's frame rate cap of 60FPS on our phones, there would be zero difference between ROMs.
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isee..thanks for the info..its suck when its come to flagship phone with higher refreshrate..

Wow, that's great! Now it seems almost strange why this wasn't done so far What about battery? It would be interesting to benchmark idle / active drain (maybe in 2 scenarios like chrome browsing and other in gaming?), just a though

spawnn617 said:
Wow, that's great! Now it seems almost strange why this wasn't done so far What about battery? It would be interesting to benchmark idle / active drain (maybe in 2 scenarios like chrome browsing and other in gaming?), just a though
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I would like to do a battery life test but there are so many variables that would really come down to end user experience that I don't think it would be an accurate representation of the ROM's performance. If there's an app that just constantly drains the battery life, maybe I could try that, but I feel like that would take a really long time to post results for since that would be one ROM's results a day.

Thanks for this. I'm currently running OOS 10.3.1AA with arter97 r54 kernel ?? pretty happy with performance and kernel overall.

Best thread I've seen on xda in years. Thanks for this! :good:

Pfeffernuss said:
Best thread I've seen on xda in years. Thanks for this! :good:
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Thanks! Lol, I'm glad it's getting some attention considering all the time I spent wiping and having to restart so much to get all the info!

rejectedjs said:
I would like to do a battery life test but there are so many variables that would really come down to end user experience that I don't think it would be an accurate representation of the ROM's performance. If there's an app that just constantly drains the battery life, maybe I could try that, but I feel like that would take a really long time to post results for since that would be one ROM's results a day.
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PCMark has a battery test which works really well, but it takes like 9 hours to run haha
Would be awesome to see though

Thua far, the absolute smoothest experience Ive had on this phone has been OOS + Smurf + xXx. Without smurf, Ive seen no difference with or without xXx, however with it, the phone is butter smooth, its an enormous difference. Benchmarks on my phone are lower because I keep clocks low to save on battery, however even then the phone blazes through everything. Has a few kinks here and there that are admittedly quite annoying, though, so I am looking into other kernels a bit. Appreciate the post. Ill probably continue avoiding AOSP roms, Oxygen has spoiled me, such a good Rom.

Ruvaldak said:
Thua far, the absolute smoothest experience Ive had on this phone has been OOS + Smurf + xXx. Without smurf, Ive seen no difference with or without xXx, however with it, the phone is butter smooth, its an enormous difference. Benchmarks on my phone are lower because I keep clocks low to save on battery, however even then the phone blazes through everything. Has a few kinks here and there that are admittedly quite annoying, though, so I am looking into other kernels a bit. Appreciate the post. Ill probably continue avoiding AOSP roms, Oxygen has spoiled me, such a good Rom.
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Arter kernel is a rather nippy and no stutters or hickups noticed yet, perhaps give that a whirl!

And how about battery drain ? Sot and idle ?