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Just something i was wondering. What do you guys prefer using the stock mi camera app or gcam? I use the mi one mostly since one thing ive noticed is that back in my redmi note 4 gcam made a heck load of difference but with the a2, not so much tbh
Hammad1029 said:
Just something i was wondering. What do you guys prefer using the stock mi camera app or gcam? I use the mi one mostly since one thing ive noticed is that back in my redmi note 4 gcam made a heck load of difference but with the a2, not so much tbh
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GCam, in low-light/night scenarios, significantly outperforms stock. In good lightening conditions you might be able to see a little lack of proper WB tuning on GCam, colors are a bit exaggerated (unreal), stock camera handles color accuracy better (though, it won't capture as many details as GCam even in the best lightening conditions). Cropped sky shots on GCam reveal dot patterns, GCam devs now implement a fix by B-S-G, but you can't fully get rid of dots. By the way, the so-called Xtreme libs, that are available in previous Tolyan's builds, were the top solution to the dots' problem for me a month ago. If you'll be pissed off by the black dots, go try his builds. I just nevermind them 'cause we have a good dev who tunes everything to match Mi A2 capabilities.
Here is a link to builds by a Russian guy who works on bringing the best GCam performance to Mi A2.
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-the_dise/
Cheers!
sas.mar said:
GCam, in low-light/night scenarios, significantly outperforms stock. In good lightening conditions you might be able to see a little lack of proper WB tuning on GCam, colors are a bit exaggerated (unreal), stock camera handles color accuracy better (though, it won't capture as many details as GCam even in the best lightening conditions). Cropped sky shots on GCam reveal dot patterns, GCam devs now implement a fix by B-S-G, but you can't fully get rid of dots. By the way, the so-called Xtreme libs, that are available in previous Tolyan's builds, were the top solution to the dots' problem for me a month ago. If you'll be pissed off by the black dots, go try his builds. I just nevermind them 'cause we have a good dev who tunes everything to match Mi A2 capabilities.
Here is a link to builds by a Russian guy who works on bringing the best GCam performance to Mi A2.
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-the_dise/
Cheers!
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Thanks for the comprehensive answer. Never experienced these black dots myself tho. Its mostly just about stability for me and all the gcams ive tried aren't nearly as stable as stock camera. They end up crashing when i most need them. Anyways i havent tried the build you linked which is supposed to be specific to those device so ill try that to see if theres any difference.
Hammad1029 said:
Thanks for the comprehensive answer. Never experienced these black dots myself tho. Its mostly just about stability for me and all the gcams ive tried aren't nearly as stable as stock camera. They end up crashing when i most need them. Anyways i havent tried the build you linked which is supposed to be specific to those device so ill try that to see if theres any difference.
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That's the issue for me as well.
At the end of the day, photography is mainly about catching the moment.. so you can have the best HDR in this world, but if the camera crashes/freezes when you really need it, then it completely misses the point.
Even if I think that the gcam gives better results (if you don't consider the dots), I'm using the stock app simply because it's way more reliable (and not bad anyway).
I actually wanted to buy the Pixel 4a. Since that's not coming out soon enough for me, I am planning to buy this phone. Getting a very good price of $250 by exchanging my old OnePlus 3.
My biggest concern is the front camera quality. MKBHD said in his review that the front camera is straight-up garbage. Is that true even with the Google Camera mod for this device?
Also, are the AOSP ROMs for this phone good/stable enough to be used? I like the OOS and I'd absolutely prefer to use something closer to AOSP than MIUI. I see people around here rave about the performance, stability, features of custom ROMs but I also see people talk about bugs fairly regularly. I can do dirty flashes something like once a month and clean flashes can take me longer.
Would you recommend I buy this?
Hi.
Front camera with stock camera app is not so good, but it is also not a garbage as that MKBHD said. With GCam it is much much better.
AOSP roms are stable to use with this phone. Just there is not a real OOS ROM, there is GSI version, and it is not good, have some bugs.
Other aosp roms i have try and they are really good are ZenX OS my favourite for now, then aosip, project-404 , really good roms, without bugs at least at my phone.
But any way when you want to install a new rom, it is advice to instal clean with format data, etc, then when it is update you just dirty flash, except when developer said it is preferable to clean flash.
Definitely i recommend you to buy this phone, it is even much better then that pixel 4a you are waiting for.
Thank you for your response slavke1976. It's very helpful.
slavke1976 said:
Definitely i recommend you to buy this phone, it is even much better then that pixel 4a you are waiting for.
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Could you elaborate a little on why you said this? I was under the impression that Pixel 4a would definitely be a much superior phone. I think so because the google camera should definitely be miles ahead than the competition. And the phone would get much much better software support and for a longer time. And those two are the two things I am looking for on my little budget.
If you want phone with smaller screen, then wait pixel 4a. But in rest of things Mi9t pro is much better choice, as it has flagship processor. GCam is same good as stock pixel camera. you have lots of custom aosp roms to bring you same feelings as on pixel. software support it will be sure miui 12 and miui 13 official, but custom will be even more. Because mi9t pro is very popular device ( i write mi9t pro as i have such version, but k20pro it is same ) .
and finaly it is a question if pixel 4a will see day of light soon. i heard some words that new pixel 5 will have cheaper processor and it will be cheaper in price then pixel 4, so maybe that pixel 5 will be actually pixel 4a but with little higher price ( 500$ ) .
you can also wait new oneplus zero , it will be also good price.
The more votes the better.
I'm making a simple poll to see if there are of people interested in having a Custom Rom like Lineage OS, Pixel Experience, Havoc, Arrow, Evolution, and others.
I'm don't make ROMs but I'm posting this to see if people would be interested in having one in order for other people invest their time in making some Roms for these devices.
You don't need to comment, just a simple vote would be appreciated.
Base on my experience with Xiaomi Mi Note 10, and its 108MP camera + custom ROM:
- image quality never was as good as stock firmware, you will be using other camera app, but no matter what settings you will set up, there was no way to get image quality as good as on stock MIUI ROM. It has less noise on stock ROM, better low light photos on stock ROM, manual mode etc.
Maybe this will change in the future, but I got MI 11 Ultra because of its new top image sensor to shot nice pictures specially in low light condition.
And for person who got this phone specially to takes amazing photos, moving to custom ROM will be resulting in degrading picture quality.
I love custom ROMs, it's have less bloatware, better optimization, but biggest dealbreaker for me is image quality :/
Of course, if you love custom ROMs and don't care about image quality, go ahead.
If stable custom ROM will be build in 1 year from now, do you think you still will have MI11 Ultra ?
Personally speaking yes, I don't change phone every year, actually my previous phone was a One plus 3 updated year after year with custom ROMs up to Android 10. Finally after 5 years I purchased this Mi 11 Ultra which I plan to keep at least for 4/5 years depending on how long it will last of course and custom support
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Base on my experience with Xiaomi Mi Note 10, and its 108MP camera + custom ROM:
- image quality never was as good as stock firmware, you will be using other camera app, but no matter what settings you will set up, there was no way to get image quality as good as on stock MIUI ROM. It has less noise on stock ROM, better low light photos on stock ROM, manual mode etc.
Maybe this will change in the future, but I got MI 11 Ultra because of its new top image sensor to shot nice pictures specially in low light condition.
And for person who got this phone specially to takes amazing photos, moving to custom ROM will be resulting in degrading picture quality.
I love custom ROMs, it's have less bloatware, better optimization, but biggest dealbreaker for me is image quality :/
Of course, if you love custom ROMs and don't care about image quality, go ahead.
If stable custom ROM will be build in 1 year from now, do you think you still will have MI11 Ultra ?
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There is always the option to use Gcam as an alternative. And i know some modders are working hard on it like Wichaya and Greatness.
I am actually interested in MIUImix ROM, I read that is available already on Mi 11, hopefully it will soon for Mi 11 Ultra as well
xNAPx said:
I am actually interested in MIUImix ROM, I read that is available already on Mi 11, hopefully it will soon for Mi 11 Ultra as well
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Thanks for telling this. By searching for MIUImix i found this site which shows other MIUI ports that i did not know about. https://miuiports.edunil.com/
veimus said:
Base on my experience with Xiaomi Mi Note 10, and its 108MP camera + custom ROM:
- image quality never was as good as stock firmware, you will be using other camera app, but no matter what settings you will set up, there was no way to get image quality as good as on stock MIUI ROM. It has less noise on stock ROM, better low light photos on stock ROM, manual mode etc.
Maybe this will change in the future, but I got MI 11 Ultra because of its new top image sensor to shot nice pictures specially in low light condition.
And for person who got this phone specially to takes amazing photos, moving to custom ROM will be resulting in degrading picture quality.
I love custom ROMs, it's have less bloatware, better optimization, but biggest dealbreaker for me is image quality :/
Of course, if you love custom ROMs and don't care about image quality, go ahead.
If stable custom ROM will be build in 1 year from now, do you think you still will have MI11 Ultra ?
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These are really good reasons to keep MIUI. I'm not exactly an expert, but weren't there exports of MIUI-Cam for custom roms before? If yes, you could have best of both worlds, right?
xNAPx said:
I am actually interested in MIUImix ROM, I read that is available already on Mi 11, hopefully it will soon for Mi 11 Ultra as well
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Lol... Im using it since May on my 11 Ultra.
SanHelios said:
These are really good reasons to keep MIUI. I'm not exactly an expert, but weren't there exports of MIUI-Cam for custom roms before? If yes, you could have best of both worlds, right?
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I think you mean Anxcam.
Kollachi said:
Lol... Im using it since May on my 11 Ultra.
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Could you share some feedback? I made some research and looks like is already available for the Mi ultra but I can't see any guide and also I can't see the stable version, only weekly
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Could you share some feedback? I made some research and looks like is already available for the Mi ultra but I can't see any guide and also I can't see the stable version, only weekly
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Its almost the same as xiaomi.eu rom but its prerooted. Even instructions to flash are the same.
How is in terms of performance? Comparable to stock? Xiaomi EU is very bad in terms of performance
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How is in terms of performance? Comparable to stock? Xiaomi EU is very bad in terms of performance
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Eu isn't bad int terms of performance lol
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Eu isn't bad int terms of performance lol
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Is bad
Kollachi said:
Eu isn't bad int terms of performance lol
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Did you ever compare it to stock experience? Apps loading much slower, on a device of this calibre is unacceptable
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Did you ever compare it to stock experience? Apps loading much slower, on a device of this calibre is unacceptable
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I guess he never did that lmao
xwonic said:
There is always the option to use Gcam as an alternative. And i know some modders are working hard on it like Wichaya and Greatness.
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I was using Cgam in custom ROM, but finds settings for its camera sensors was not always as you expect or hard to find working one. Or app was crashing when switching lenses etc. So it was not reliable at the time of testing.
avetny said:
I guess he never did that lmao
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Mhmm... You dumb af.
xNAPx said:
Did you ever compare it to stock experience? Apps loading much slower, on a device of this calibre is unacceptable
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Chinese firmware was more smooth and felt better, but xiami.eu is also underclocked so no wonder about that. But that doesn't mean it's bad lol.
I don't think given the frequencies for a Snapdragon 888 it makes too much of a difference in terms of apps opening (WhatsApp? Seriously?).Also if it is underclocked it must be underlined by developers as a feature actually, because it is not nice to have an underclocked cpu without knowing (neither I want it nor I can take "better battery optimized" as a feature,as it is achieved with a trick). So in the end it is bad indeed,of course is my opinion
I'm looking to upgrade to the Note 10 Pro from my Note 8 Pro.
One of the main reasons why i don't like running a custom ROM in my Begonia (Note 8 Pro) is the fact that i loose a bunch of Camera features and even the ability to use the macro lens.
The devs in the Begonia thread and us Beta testers have risked our devices and had spent an unreasonable amount of time on getting custom ROM's running and to make much of the features functional in that device. But i know since this one has a Snapdragon processor, much of the resources needed to port features from other devices to this is already there.
I know the advantages of running a custom ROM. But i would like it if someone explains to me what device-specific OEM features that you are not able to use once you flash a custom ROM in the Note 10 Pro?
Appreciate the feedback!
1) cRDroid (has Mi CAM too)
2) ArrowOS
3) DroidOnTime
what device-specific OEM features that you are not able to use once you flash a custom ROM in the Note 10 Pro?
Not sure, don't use too many frills that it has. For 1, I think the IR blaster might not work. Not sure though.
Helhound0 said:
I'm looking to upgrade to the Note 10 Pro from my Note 8 Pro.
One of the main reasons why i don't like running a custom ROM in my Begonia (Note 8 Pro) is the fact that i loose a bunch of Camera features and even the ability to use the macro lens.
The devs in the Begonia thread and us Beta testers have risked our devices and had spent an unreasonable amount of time on getting custom ROM's running and to make much of the features functional in that device. But i know since this one has a Snapdragon processor, much of the resources needed to port features from other devices to this is already there.
I know the advantages of running a custom ROM. But i would like it if someone explains to me what device-specific OEM features that you are not able to use once you flash a custom ROM in the Note 10 Pro?
Appreciate the feedback!
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In RN10Pro, I have tested stock rom and other AOSP based custom rom, i found MIUI camera app capabilities is missing feature in all other custom ROM, I missed turbo charging feature in some custom rom also.
LeDiable said:
1) cRDroid (has Mi CAM too)
2) ArrowOS
3) DroidOnTime
what device-specific OEM features that you are not able to use once you flash a custom ROM in the Note 10 Pro?
Not sure, don't use too many frills that it has. For 1, I think the IR blaster might not work. Not sure though.
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You can download Mi Remote controller app from Play Store for IR blaster and its working fine
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I know the advantages of running a custom ROM.
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Don't take adventure on your ass.
Indonesia ROM and you will be happy.
In terms of speed, smoothness and lack of problems, nothing beats this firmware.
And the camera is pretty good. Well, if it is infused correctly.
Good luck.
This is my first MIUI based phone and I bought it as a secondary device to only to flash a custom ROM.
I tried the latest Pixel Experience Plus (Aug 22 initial OSS build) and it I couldn't be happier (Well, maybe a bit if I could get a 108MP mode in GCam). The performance and battery life are fantastic. Not crash or moments of lag, stutters. So snappy, way better than MIUI.
GCam is working for Regular 12MP, wide angle, tele macro and portrait. The night shots are better than on stock. In case you need a 108MP mode, there is ANX camera. The quality might not match the stock 108MP, but it's a usable option. The selfies are also bright unlike GCam, though GCam has way more detail in the selfies than ANX or even stock.
I'm going to test Crdoid or dotOS soon to see what a degoogled experience is like, but I reckon it is going to be similar to PE+. PE+ has set a benchmark for me.
Also, a couple of bugs I've noticed on PE+ which might or might not stay with other ROMs is:
1. Auto brightness is a bit off and goes lower or higher than it should at times.
2. The front cam was crashing when I turned on face unlock. But because I prefer the fingerprint scanner, turned it off and no issues since then.
3. Features like AOD and Pocket mode have been known to be battery hogs, but I don't use them anyway.
Helhound0 said:
I'm looking to upgrade to the Note 10 Pro from my Note 8 Pro.
One of the main reasons why i don't like running a custom ROM in my Begonia (Note 8 Pro) is the fact that i loose a bunch of Camera features and even the ability to use the macro lens.
The devs in the Begonia thread and us Beta testers have risked our devices and had spent an unreasonable amount of time on getting custom ROM's running and to make much of the features functional in that device. But i know since this one has a Snapdragon processor, much of the resources needed to port features from other devices to this is already there.
I know the advantages of running a custom ROM. But i would like it if someone explains to me what device-specific OEM features that you are not able to use once you flash a custom ROM in the Note 10 Pro?
Appreciate the feedback!
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Give you some information. Xiaomi released A11 kernel for begonia a few days and camera problems (maybe) can be fixed, wait for next custom rom A11 based before get new rmn10p.
And custom use ANX and Gcam, some problems maybe same with other device not only rmn8p.
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This is my first MIUI based phone and I bought it as a secondary device to only to flash a custom ROM.
I tried the latest Pixel Experience Plus (Aug 22 initial OSS build) and it I couldn't be happier (Well, maybe a bit if I could get a 108MP mode in GCam). The performance and battery life are fantastic. Not crash or moments of lag, stutters. So snappy, way better than MIUI.
GCam is working for Regular 12MP, wide angle, tele macro and portrait. The night shots are better than on stock. In case you need a 108MP mode, there is ANX camera. The quality might not match the stock 108MP, but it's a usable option. The selfies are also bright unlike GCam, though GCam has way more detail in the selfies than ANX or even stock.
I'm going to test Crdoid or dotOS soon to see what a degoogled experience is like, but I reckon it is going to be similar to PE+. PE+ has set a benchmark for me.
Also, a couple of bugs I've noticed on PE+ which might or might not stay with other ROMs is:
1. Auto brightness is a bit off and goes lower or higher than it should at times.
2. The front cam was crashing when I turned on face unlock. But because I prefer the fingerprint scanner, turned it off and no issues since then.
3. Features like AOD and Pocket mode have been known to be battery hogs, but I don't use them anyway.
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Test AOSPExtended it's the best ROM I have ever used with my Redmi Note 10 Pro!
lubo777 said:
Test AOSPExtended it's the best ROM I have ever used with my Redmi Note 10 Pro!
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Which camera app are you using?
kadimatr said:
Which camera app are you using?
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Right now I'm testing few different Camera apps, ANXCamera + many differenet GCam MODS.
I'm looking for the best GCam MOD ... I think that I have found it!
The ANX Camera quality is the same as the stock MIUI camera ... have made a lot of test of both and have to say that ANX isn't bad at all!
You can see all my test and findings in this GCam Mods for Redmi Note 10 Pro tread here.
lubo777 said:
Test AOSPExtended it's the best ROM I have ever used with my Redmi Note 10 Pro!
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I'm on it since yesterday
lubo777 said:
Right now I'm testing few different Camera apps, ANXCamera + many differenet GCam MODS.
I'm looking for the best GCam MOD ... I think that I have found it!
The ANX Camera quality is the same as the stock MIUI camera ... have made a lot of test of both and have to say that ANX isn't bad at all!
You can see all my test and findings in this GCam Mods for Redmi Note 10 Pro tread here.
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Thank you, i will try
I decided to buy the phone and see after reading all your thoughts. I specially want to see if the high refresh rate works well with an AOSP ROM too because that's one of the main parts of the phone that i want to take advantage of. And I would be happy as @dnana9 mentioned if there's options for me to take advantage of all the lenses. Lets see how it goes.
You won't regret it. I have been hopping from stock to Pixel Experience to Xiaomi.EU to AOSP Extended, and every ROM has minor quirks, but overall better than stock MIUI. And beteeen the 5-10 options you have, you should find the sweet spot.
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You won't regret it. I have been hopping from stock to Pixel Experience to Xiaomi.EU to AOSP Extended, and every ROM has minor quirks, but overall better than stock MIUI. And beteeen the 5-10 options you have, you should find the sweet spot.
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Haven't tested other AOSP ROMs than the AOSP Extended but have tested few MIUI based one and have to say that AOSP Extended is super truper fast!
I'm using the same ROM on my other phone Redmi Note 7 and the ROM there is also so fast and smooth as a pretty new car from Tesla ...
sarychev.rescue said:
Don't take adventure on your ass.
Indonesia ROM and you will be happy.
In terms of speed, smoothness and lack of problems, nothing beats this firmware.
And the camera is pretty good. Well, if it is infused correctly.
Good luck.
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....I also like the Indonesia ROM. But what do you mean "...if it is infused correctly..."
So I've purchased mi11 Ultra lately. I hoped to get an excellent camera phone. Waiting for my bootloader to get unlocked and in the meantime was going through all the useful threads. I wanted to jump to A13 using some custom room but I'm bit confused with the camera issues. From what I understand there is no working miui cam for A13 and so I was wondering weather there is a moded gcam that actually works on A13 and is at least as good as miui cam?
I went to A13 and tried a shedload of gcam ports and configs over two weeks on my MI11 Pro.
I ended up going back to an A12 ROM, for the MIUI Camera (EvolutionX by FlowerSea) - much better, more flexible and easy to use with the multiple camera modules.
Also, as it seems to be the quickest and most stable with banking apps, GPay/Wallet and AndroidAuto wireless.
Other people may disagree though.
I liked the HDR and sharpening that GCam would give, but in all honestly the native camera functions and features always seemed to be more consistent. Go with what you feel! Pick the camera that'll give you the best pictures and functions you're looking for.