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Current dev status of TW 4.3 MJA and what to know.

Seems there is some confusion on what is currently going on with the 4.3 MJA update and development. The MJA update is a patch file, NOT a full rom. Devs had to update OR use someone else that has updated in order to get the TW 4.3 system image. NOW....
The recent MJA update was major in terms of firmware in that Knox was incorporated. (firmware on the GS4 is the bootloader, recovery and modem/radio. the ROM is the OS) Currently, once you update to the new MJA bootloader you can't go back.
Why would you go back? Well Knox is a pain in the a$$ and trips the flash counter in the bootloader, which will most likely void your warranty. For crack flashers this is a nightmare. If you do not care about tripping the flash counter make sure right after you succesfully update to MJA you make a nand back up of stock MJA with Philz Touch CWM recovery found here: http://d-h.st/WUe Flash this in odin 3.07. This is so you can restore to stock if you mess up your system. There are many reports of issues restoring a nand backup of stock MJA with TWRP and other recoveries.
Devs are currently VERY close on getting a MJA 4.3 rom up and running with a custom kernel. Why a custom kernel? There are reported issues with bootloops after flashing a MJA 4.3 rom in the MF9 bootloader. The stock MJA kernel will not boot if you're still on the MF9 bootloader.
To sum up:
If all you want is rooted TW 4.3 MJA and you don't care about tripping the flash counter go ahead and update to full MJA then immediately nand backup.
[HOW TO]Update from stock rooted MF9 to MJA (with root) without losing data
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2509605
[GUIDE]How to safely root MJA 4.3
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2511156

Nice explanation. Thx
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Very well said. Its indeed a pain in the ass for us flashaholics! I hate being limited, i miss downgrading at will. I check daily to see if there has been any updates with mja. Thank you for your post.

Thank you hope this helps people and limit the questions in the development section. Very well said
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I have a question please...
so when you talk about tripping the knox counter...
would this happen every time you flash something?
so like if im getting my flash on 2-3 times a day this would make it tick up one 2-3 times?
is there any difference between knox being tripped from 0x1 to 0xFiftyMillion? I mean once its tripped does it really matter to sprint/Samsung or is there some kind of threshold? will it eventually brick device or something?

raptorseye said:
I have a question please...
so when you talk about tripping the knox counter...
would this happen every time you flash something?
so like if im getting my flash on 2-3 times a day this would make it tick up one 2-3 times?
is there any difference between knox being tripped from 0x1 to 0xFiftyMillion? I mean once its tripped does it really matter to sprint/Samsung or is there some kind of threshold? will it eventually brick device or something?
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The knox flag doesnt trip every time you flash. It uses binary numbers so its only 0x0 or 0x1 thats it. Once its tripped there is no way or reversing the it back to 0x0. People have confirmed that sprint will still take phone with 0x1 but that voids your warranty with samsung. Other than that i dont know about your last two questions.
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ROMANTiC KiD said:
The knox flag doesnt trip every time you flash. It uses binary numbers so its only 0x0 or 0x1 thats it. Once its tripped there is no way or reversing the it back to 0x0. People have confirmed that sprint will still take phone with 0x1 but that voids your warranty with samsung. Other than that i dont know about your last two questions.
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Hopefully in time, one of our amazing Devs will figure out how to reset it back to 0x0!

[Q] Can I safely flash any older 4.3 stock FW over XXUEML9?

Hello,
I'd like to ask if I can safely downgrade my current XXUEML9 ROM to some older releases of 4.3 s3 i9305 official Samsung ROMs.
Why do that? I've read some reports that first releases of 4.3 ROMs for i9305 could be rooted with kingo without tripping knox flag and the XXUEML9 release has been reported to be tripping the flag (some new samsung's security measures introduced meanwhile), so I think it could be worth trying but better safe than sorry - I know I can't downgrade to 4.1.2 or whatever under 4.3 but what about new 4.3 to "older" 4.3? Just wondering if there aren't safety patches in the bootloader itself that prevent users from downgrading to anything lower than current FW
Thanks for your help.

you can do it safely...i would recommend doing a factory reset after it...just to be sure it won't mess with kingoapp...i did it without problems(i tripped knox way before doing this)

spiderman07 said:
you can do it safely...i would recommend doing a factory reset after it...just to be sure it won't mess with kingoapp...i did it without problems(i tripped knox way before doing this)
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thanks for the info,
I plan to do it that way:
1. enter factory recovery -> factory wipe
2. odin -> flash oldest 4.3 i9305 stock image
3. if bootloops -> repeat step 1.
4. kingo root -> let's see if knox stays 0x0, ofc I'll let you know in the thread here
5. whatever ROM, but keeping stock kernel and stock recovery (otherwise all the steps above pointless)

Kingo trips knox

Raistlin1158 said:
Kingo trips knox
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I doubt it. Kingo either roots the phone or fail, and then gives you option of installing custom recovery which trips Knox flag.
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Which firmware is the oldest 4.3?

I used it and it did...

shayind4 said:
[/COLOR]Which firmware is the oldest 4.3?
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seems that XXUEMKC is the oldest 4.3 - it has the release date 28.11.2013
well, looks like a lottery with kingo root; but as far as I read in some forums some were successful with rooting that way and keeping the flag 0x0 with older FWs and everybody reporting using kingo on latest FWs says it had tripped KNOX
and, to be clear - as of now, there aren't any other ways to root i9305/4.3 than:
a) kingo (knox lottery)
b) CF-Root (trips knox)
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z) waiting for miracle and some new rooting methods?

adamuadamu said:
seems that XXUEMKC is the oldest 4.3 - it has the release date 28.11.2013
well, looks like a lottery with kingo root; but as far as I read in some forums some were successful with rooting that way and keeping the flag 0x0 with older FWs and everybody reporting using kingo on latest FWs says it had tripped KNOX
and, to be clear - as of now, there aren't any other ways to root i9305/4.3 than:
a) kingo (knox lottery)
b) CF-Root (trips knox)
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z) waiting for miracle and some new rooting methods?
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I think you are right. I have MKC firmware but not able to root with Kingo. It always failed and asked if i wanted to install custom recovery with root which will trip Knox flag, and i always clicked 'NO' button. My knox flag remains 0x0 but phone not rooted.

so, all the things I planned turn out to be pointless
the ***MKC PDA FW is the oldest one of 4.3 for i9305
you've got no root on MKC via kingo, and I got some information from a Polish forum, that kingo did the root on MKC but tripped the flag anyway (I can only assume it tries to get the root through some dirty tricks via cable and if it fails that way, it offers to flash custom recovery in order to flash apk and su binary to the system).
so, for the time being CF-Root seems the only reasonable option to root - you'll trip knox either way, but without sending all your sensitive data to china and back.

What root method should I use??

Hello everyone. I have a question in regards to rooting my S6. My s6 has version 5.0.2 and the OCG baseband. Should I upgrade to 5.1.1 before I root? I would like to root without tripping the Knox counter. Also, if I were to root without tripping knox, would I have to use this method every time I flash a new rom? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

just update to 5.1.1 and flash unibase kernel, why do you care about knox? it doesnt really matter if you trip it you still have insurance through your carrier, seriously knox is really only there for companies who provide phones to their employees and dont want them to mess with them.

OsSkates1996 said:
just update to 5.1.1 and flash unibase kernel, why do you care about knox? it doesnt really matter if you trip it you still have insurance through your carrier, seriously knox is really only there for companies who provide phones to their employees and dont want them to mess with them.
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I can understand that, but I would like to keep from tripping my knox counter. Anyways, I just rooted via PingPong successfully. How do I keep from triggering knox now that I am rooted? Can I flash TWRP or any other kind or recovery?? Thanks.

no, if you want to keep from tripping your knox counter you cant really do anyhting. flashing any kind of custom recovery or rom or kernel will trip it, all you can really do is just stay rooted and thats about it

OsSkates1996 said:
no, if you want to keep from tripping your knox counter you cant really do anyhting. flashing any kind of custom recovery or rom or kernel will trip it, all you can really do is just stay rooted and thats about it
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Got ya. Guess I'm tripping knox then. Thanks for your help.

Ping-pong requires no computer, right? And also , is it confirmed working with this tmobile S6? I am on the latest update and have been stalling on root due to having no PC.
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carnivalrejectq said:
Ping-pong requires no computer, right? And also , is it confirmed working with this tmobile S6? I am on the latest update and have been stalling on root due to having no PC.
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Ping pong does not require a pc. As of the other question I have no answer.

I am on of6. Oem unlocking is on and odin will not flash. I use the directions to the T but it stays on nand write start

Can TWRP be flashed without tripping KNOX? (Need TWRP only- not trying to root phone)

I'd like to flash TWRP onto my Note 5, but want to be absolutely sure it will NOT trip the KNOX counter. Is this a possibility at all, or does flashing any custom recovery lead to KNOX being tripped?
I am NOT looking to root the phone - I just need TWRP. (I am fully aware that at the moment, all rooting methods will trip the KNOX counter.)
Thanks!
Tom

hey_tommy said:
I'd like to flash TWRP onto my Note 5, but want to be absolutely sure it will NOT trip the KNOX counter.
Thanks!
Tom
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It will trip Knox.

Thanks for confirming - that's what I figured as well.
I'm guessing that flashing ANYTHING other than the unmodified stock image would result in Knox being tripped...

hey_tommy said:
Thanks for confirming - that's what I figured as well.
I'm guessing that flashing ANYTHING other than the unmodified stock image would result in Knox being tripped...
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Flashing other recoveries, kernels, and modified firmware packages will trip Knox.

Samsung Galaxy Note 9 and knox

Hello, i have question. If i root my phone or flash rom is there any way to get knox and get the phone unrooted, with official firmware? Via odin? Please tell about that, i need to know if i lose knox FOREVER...
Thank you.

Once you have rooted or install a custom OS onto your Samsung Device you will trip Knox and Knox will be disabled on your device.

pospi69 said:
Hello, i have question. If i root my phone or flash rom is there any way to get knox and get the phone unrooted, with official firmware? Via odin? Please tell about that, i need to know if i lose knox FOREVER...
Thank you.
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You can unroot by flashing stock firmware, but you will still lose Knox forever (including secure folder, etc.). Knox can't be untripped.