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Speaker + camera quality.

Own and love the Galaxy Nexus, I think 16gb is well more than enough storage for on-the-go music and app combination.
The two major issues I have with it however are:
1) The camera quality.
I find the image quality quite grainy after taking photos. The camera just doesn't cut it for me. However I'm hoping that the 8MP camera on the Nexus4 (I know megapixels isn't everything) will solve that issue.
***2) THE SPEAKER LOUDNESS***
I think of the old Christmas poem "Night Before Christmas"...
"'Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the house
Not a creature was stirring, not even the Gnexus at max volume".
That'll be the deciding factor on if I'll be picking up the phone or not, in all honesty.
Love you XDA,
-Aero

Well its not release yet, but we can take a few clues.
Base on this review: www.youtube.com/watch?v=a24txcFBWyE
the LG Optimus G have very weak speaker, saying that when on its back, one might even miss a phone call. Although that doesn't necessarily mean it will be the same for the Nexus 4.
As for camera, I have no proof that the 8MP camera of this device is similar to one on the Optimus G for ATT, but maybe if it is, we can look at those sample shots posted online. I think the general consensus is its not that great and might have trouble under low lighting. Overall I think it will be at least better than the current 5MP which is enough for me.
Just wait for feedbacks from other buyers before making the purchase.
PS. I still laugh at the fact when the Galaxy Nexus was just released people claimed its 5MP camera is better than the SII camera, even with side by side pictures comparison.
I'm disappointed it won't support GLONASS, base on the specs from the PlayStore.

The camera uses a Sony BSI Sensor, so I'm sure images will be crisp and sharp. Not sure what aperture it uses though, hopefully a f2.4/2.6.

kotaro_14 said:
The camera uses a Sony BSI Sensor, so I'm sure images will be crisp and sharp. Not sure what aperture it uses though, hopefully a f2.4/2.6.
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f2.4
i really love Nexus 4 but One X camera is amazing
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Well, just a very very simple thought: they advertise with their new feature, that panorama thing .. that's one selling point.. so the camera quality MUST be good, right?
Oh man, but I just remember Apple's Maps service ... hmmm.

Here's hoping both are better on the Nexus 4 as they are both somewhat of a disappointment on my Galaxy Nexus for me.
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From Josh Topolsky's initial impressions, he stated that the camera performance was a big improvement, and that Google has specifically concentrated on low-light performance. I have high hopes that a Sony sensor, let alone a BSI sensor, leads to respectable if not admirable image quality. If the f/2.4 aperture is an indication, we could easily see this sensor beat the GS3 in terms of how much light it lets in, but it all comes down to how aggressive noise correction is, which is entirely software, and affects image sharpness the most.

While the camera is a big deal to me (a BIG deal), what I'm more worried about is the speaker/earpiece output. As everyone knows, the GNex speaker and earpiece aren't great (that's putting it mildly), so I'm really hoping this phone has great speaker/earpiece volume. Do I expect it to rival my SIII? No. But being able to actually use the phone as a PHONE in a crowded place and being able to hear would be nice.

According to Cnet- The battery life and Camera are the two weakest points of the Optimus G (ATT)- its unbelievable how the google nexus phones have sourly disappointing cameras year after year.
It is becoming a HUGE feature for people- and while software can correct come issues- hopefully it does, it has to have a good sensor to start- which the LG should.
I guess we will have to wait for a proper review to get some camera samples. that is def make or break for me. coming from a One X, so camera bar is set rather high

Sony makes the camera for the legendary iPhones so I don't see why they would disappoint now.

Wonder how it would compare to the Lumia 920

shea-bird said:
According to Cnet- The battery life and Camera are the two weakest points of the Optimus G (ATT)- its unbelievable how the google nexus phones have sourly disappointing cameras year after year.
It is becoming a HUGE feature for people- and while software can correct come issues- hopefully it does, it has to have a good sensor to start- which the LG should.
I guess we will have to wait for a proper review to get some camera samples. that is def make or break for me. coming from a One X, so camera bar is set rather high
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ATT Optimus G has 13 mpx camera and LTE.
maybe that's why google decided to go without the 13 mpx camera and without LTE.
the 8 mpx camera which is also used in the sprint version is supposed to be better.
and leaving out LTE saves battery.

hsrn said:
ATT Optimus G has 13 mpx camera and LTE.
maybe that's why google decided to go without the 13 mpx camera and without LTE.
the 8 mpx camera which is also used in the sprint version is supposed to be better.
and leaving out LTE saves battery.
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you got it reversed, Att model has the 8mp camera while the sprint version has the 13mp camera.

kotaro_14 said:
The camera uses a Sony BSI Sensor, so I'm sure images will be crisp and sharp. Not sure what aperture it uses though, hopefully a f2.4/2.6.
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Im sorry but how do you know that it has a Sony BSI Sensor ?
I mean that would be great as Sony makes the best sensors right now …
Thats pretty much one of my biggest selling points as i use the cameras a lot..

It was mentioned in the video done by The Verge.

Gayga
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Aerolith514 said:
Wonder how it would compare to the Lumia 920
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I dont expect the 920 to be great...the 900 was overhyped with the ziess lens and was garbage. the 920 will have GREAT low light photos- that much we know...as for regular performance, I think it will still be slightly below the top notch camera phones (S3, OneX, iphone, etc)
Praying the nexus 4 has a great camera...if so, I will snatch it up.

and what about capture speed ?
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The One Series camera's and the Lumia 920 have a lower aperture f2.0 which is better suited for low light conditions. Now I'm pleased with the HOX camera, this has to be on par at least for day shots as I rarely take that many low light shots.
Be interesting to know what BSI module it uses so we can make comparisons!

I hope the camera is good same as speakers..

Note 4 variants have different Camera Sensor!

Well according to this site Exynos version has different Camera sensor than Snapdragon. Specifically,Exynos uses a Samsung based sensor "SLSI_S5K2P2" whereas SD uses Sony based sensor "IMX240". Also it says that historically, Exynos camera Sensors were superior to Snapdragon's!
If anyone is interested in checking/verifying the sensor then open the dialer app and type the following number *#34971539#, choose ISP Ver Check.

Nice find. The low light shots on the Exynos look significantly better.

Oh damn, I'm from the US, guess I'm not getting a Note 4 anymore. It has a lesser quality sensor

SM-N910U Exynos model unsupport sony imx240 sensor.?

Here's GSMArena's review of the S-805 Note 4's camera. It's ISOCELL with phase detection so everyone can relax their sphincter.
Finally, a real camera evaluation. GSMArena's posted their review of the Note 4 ( http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_4-review-1147.php ). They and Anandtech both due ridged objective testing which they subject all the devices they test to equally. So the results can be compared across devices. I personally put little value in sites that basically offer their opinion which, so far, all that's been posted represent. There are some pro and semi-pro photographers on XDA whose opinions I value but most people here posting pics of their dog and critiquing it aren't really reliable references. And people owning each brand of smartphone swear their brand's camera(s) are the best. And let's face it, if you search the Internet hard enough you can find substantiation for just about any point you're trying to make. That's why objective testing is so important - you can't fight facts and controlled examples.
Here are some excerpts from GSMArena's testing of the S-805 version of the Note 4's camera...
Focusing has been improved this year with the inclusion of phase detection pixels on the sensor. It's the same technology that premiered on the Samsung Galaxy S5 but it's even faster this time around. The LG G3 and the Apple iPhone 6 and 6 Plus offer a similar hybrid auto focus systems combining the traditional contrast detect auto focus with phase detect.
The Samsung Galaxy Note 4 takes excellent pictures. The higher megapixel count is noticeable and we welcome the wider aspect of the images as both allow a bigger, better photo. Detail is superb, especially in the center of the photo but still doesn't degrade too much towards the far edges.
Images came out tack sharp across the frame and focusing was spot on. We noticed that the Galaxy Note 4 was very fast to lock on and even surpassed the Samsung Galaxy S5 on every occasion.
Colors aren't as punchy as those of the Galaxy S5 but are still vibrant. The white balance was spot on, finding a great middle ground between cold and warm. Scenes are well exposed and we like the dynamic range from the 16MP camera - the shadow and highlight areas of the image are well exposed.
There is some noise visible in the shadows and in solid colors (such as in the sky) but it's kept reasonably under control.
The autofocus when capturing close up (macro) images fares extremely well. The Samsung Galaxy Note 4 can get very close to its subject (around 6cm) and capture detailed images. There is also a reasonable separation from the object and the background leading to a nice blurred effect (bokeh).
HDR samples aim to expose the entire frame better by capturing a series of shots at different exposures and matching them for the final result. We like the HDR effect on the Galaxy Note 4 - it gets a lot of detail back into the shadows but also improves upon the highlights
Overall, we can say that the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 carries one of the most capable cameras you can find on a smartphone. The quality is very high, detail is aplenty and things are always in focus and always sharp. The large resolution is welcome and the 16:9 makes much more sense than 4:3 (or any other ratio for that matter) on a 16:9 device.​Versus Note 3
Looking at the samples in good light it's clear the Galaxy Note 4 has the upper hand. It manages to squeeze a little bit more detail compared to its predecessor. However the Galaxy Note 3 doesn't lag too far behind. Truth be told, there is more noise in the Galaxy Note 3 image, especially in the sky. The noise in the Galaxy Note 4 image is better controlled and finer.
In scenes with more fine detail the 16MP snapper of the Galaxy Note 4 is clearly superior. The textures on the wall of the building below indicate just that. Not only that, but it clearly has a better dynamic range, as the highlights on the left are not blown as on the right, while keeping nearly the same exposure of the shadows.​Versus SGS5
When it comes to low light we pit the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 against the Samsung Galaxy S5. Both have 16MP ISOCELL cameras with identical f/2.2 apertures so the amount of light hitting the sensor should be about the same. The Samsung Galaxy Note 4 has the added bonus of optical image stabilization, which should allow it to snap photos at lower shutter speeds than the S5.
The images below are shot at ISO 500 (automatic ISO) and with a shutter speed of 1/10s. As you can see the Samsung Galaxy S5 has a blurrier image while the Galaxy Note 4 keeps things a little more sharp at the same shutter speed. All four images were captured handheld.​
Here's GSMArena's six device camera shoot out test. In order of performance:
Lumia 1020
SGS5
LG G3
Oppo Find 7)
Xperia Z2 [Z3 has the same camera]
iP5s
They left out the HTC M8 because its 4MP camera doomed it from the beginning.
http://www.gsmarena.com/camera_shootout-review-1104p8.php

SAVVAS. said:
Well according to this site Exynos version has different Camera sensor than Snapdragon. Specifically,Exynos uses a Samsung based sensor "SLSI_S5K2P2" whereas SD uses Sony based sensor "IMX240". Also it says that historically, Exynos camera Sensors were superior to Snapdragon's!
If anyone is interested in checking/verifying the sensor then open the dialer app and type the following number *#34971539#, choose ISP Ver Check.
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oh my God.. please read http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=55749031&postcount=44. And need check not ISP !!! but Phone/CAM FW ver !!!:laugh:
On now date all Note4_devices have Sony IMX240 sensor.

Sony generally makes excellent camera sensors. Nikon even uses them.

Pako7 said:
oh my God.. please read http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=55749031&postcount=44. And need check not ISP !!! but Phone/CAM FW ver !!!:laugh:
On now date all Note4_devices have Sony IMX240 sensor.
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Go blame that website which reported that, those are their words... Nonetheless, thanks for contributing on this matter:good:

This is interesting and I'd like to get the bottom of this.
Looking at pictures and some videos how N4 camera works, live HDR, S5's widescreen pixel resolution etc., the Note 4 seem to perform very similarly to the S5 in terms of white balance, saturation and exposure, results are only a little sharper during the daylight, more so in HDR and during the night. But if either or both N4 versions have an IMX240, then Sony has a 16:9 sensor that perform 95% like a Samsung ISOCELL and that's a little harder to believe with such different technologies.
Of course Sony can always make an ISOCELL sensor for Samsung as they make a PDAF-type for Apple, but then I'd have to ask why, Samsung comfortably supplied the bigger launch of the S5 with enough ISOCELL units so numbers cannot be the problem. Some say OIS can be, but if Sony has an exact same size sensor as S5 ISOCELL, I don't see an issue packing ISOCELL sensors into an OIS camera unit. BTW I like ISOCELL cause it's very fast and reliable, almost always perfect WB which is always an issue with Sony sensors, 2-6 out of 10 shots come out with improper white balance either on the colder or on the yellower side. Apple phones are the only ones getting it almost always right.
IMX240 equipped sensors with the proper ISP however can do up to 32s shutter speeds, and longer shutter options are a huge missing option for Samsung devices, usually SW capped at 1/15s. That's not only a problem cause you either have to use the multi-shot stability mode or higher ISO for VERY noisy results, but with optical image stabilization this capping is totally unnecessary, one could hold the phone for up to half a second with OIS and not get a shaky result. So far Note 4 shots are impressive during daytime and improved during the night, but I don't see any longer shutter samples or options. That is just silly from Sammy at this point in mobile photography. EVERYTHING is there for great night shots except for some reason Samsung's willingness to either allow longer shutter speed options for the automatic mode, or provide it for manual mode. This lack of judgement makes Samsung phones inferior in night comparison to counterparts that happily go for long shutters. The Oppo Find 7 makes great night shots with a Sony IMX sensor.

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This is interesting and I'd like to get the bottom of this.
Looking at pictures and some videos how N4 camera works, live HDR, S5's widescreen pixel resolution etc., the Note 4 seem to perform very similarly to the S5 in terms of white balance, saturation and exposure, results are only a little sharper during the daylight, more so in HDR and during the night. But if either or both N4 versions have an IMX240, then Sony has a 16:9 sensor that perform 95% like a Samsung ISOCELL and that's a little harder to believe with such different technologies.
Of course Sony can always make an ISOCELL sensor for Samsung as they make a PDAF-type for Apple, but then I'd have to ask why, Samsung comfortably supplied the bigger launch of the S5 with enough ISOCELL units so numbers cannot be the problem. Some say OIS can be, but if Sony has an exact same size sensor as S5 ISOCELL, I don't see an issue packing ISOCELL sensors into an OIS camera unit. BTW I like ISOCELL cause it's very fast and reliable, almost always perfect WB which is always an issue with Sony sensors, 2-6 out of 10 shots come out with improper white balance either on the colder or on the yellower side. Apple phones are the only ones getting it almost always right.
IMX240 equipped sensors with the proper ISP however can do up to 32s shutter speeds, and longer shutter options are a huge missing option for Samsung devices, usually SW capped at 1/15s. That's not only a problem cause you either have to use the multi-shot stability mode or higher ISO for VERY noisy results, but with optical image stabilization this capping is totally unnecessary, one could hold the phone for up to half a second with OIS and not get a shaky result. So far Note 4 shots are impressive during daytime and improved during the night, but I don't see any longer shutter samples or options. That is just silly from Sammy at this point in mobile photography. EVERYTHING is there for great night shots except for some reason Samsung's willingness to either allow longer shutter speed options for the automatic mode, or provide it for manual mode. This lack of judgement makes Samsung phones inferior in night comparison to counterparts that happily go for long shutters. The Oppo Find 7 makes great night shots with a Sony IMX sensor.
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Thanks for sharing your insight!
Do you also have the spec sheets for the IMX240 sensor? It is one of the better sensors on the market this year, right?

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Thanks for sharing your insight!
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@BoneXDA is smart, photographically savvy, and has contributed a ton to discussions of various devices camera performance. He's getting his hands on a Note 4 soon. Look for his review when it's posted. It'll provide insight in to a lot of the open questions hanging around. I'm looking forward to it.

The Note 4, Snapdragon version, has a Sony sensor. More to come!

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The Note 4, Snapdragon version, has a Sony sensor. More to come!
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The s/w on Exynos reports the sensor differently than on S-805 for some reason. That's why everyone thought there were two different sensors. There aren't. Or, if there are, they're both made by Sony. Thanks to @Pako7.

I guess all we know is that it is a Sony sensor. Darn!
I just hope it takes better low light shots than the S5... The comparison photos I have seen between the iPhone 6+ and the Note 4 thus far have me a bit saddened. I really want to use the Note 4 but what is holding me back is TouchWiz (do not want to root and lose warranty before it expires) and the camera.

Can't you use Nova Launcher instead? Are you considering an iPhone 6?

JCM800 said:
Can't you use Nova Launcher instead? Are you considering an iPhone 6?
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Does Nova Launcher change the way notifications work too? The TouchWiz skin takes up half the notification drop down... That is truly my only grip with the OS right now, the rest is not so bad.

EP2008 said:
Nice find. The low light shots on the Exynos look significantly better.
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No they don't.
The Black Droid said:
Oh damn, I'm from the US, guess I'm not getting a Note 4 anymore. It has a lesser quality sensor
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I hope you're being sarcastic.

an_xda said:
I guess all we know is that it is a Sony sensor. Darn!.
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So does the iPhone since the 4S.

BarryH_GEG said:
The s/w on Exynos reports the sensor differently than on S-805 for some reason. That's why everyone thought there were two different sensors. There aren't. Or, if there are, they're both made by Sony. Thanks to @Pako7.
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lol i knew it. knew it wasn't the Samsung isocell... which honestly makes me happy bc again, I hated the s5 camera.
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jayochs said:
lol i knew it. knew it wasn't the Samsung isocell..
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It may be ISOCELL manufactured for Samsung by Sony. @BoneXDA said after looking at SGS5 and Note 4 pics back to back they're 95% the same which would be hard to accomplish with two divergent technologies. I think he has one in hand so we'll know soon enough.

iPhone X portrait mode depth of field algorithm vs Note 8 - why aren't they similar?

Note8 + iPhoneX both have dual rear cameras however in some portrait photos especially your hair, ears etc is blurred out incorrectly. iPhone X seems to do this job a lot better despite having similar hardware specs.
Is this something a software could fix/enhance?

everybodylovesfebs said:
Note8 + iPhoneX both have dual rear cameras however in some portrait photos especially your hair, ears etc is blurred out incorrectly. iPhone X seems to do this job a lot better despite having similar hardware specs.
Is this something a software could fix/enhance?
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1. two TOTALLY different devices
2. I've made some "portrait"-pic's: no problems at all

Ah okay, yes agreed that Note is a phablet and other a phone. However I'd assume that in the camera department at least they would both perform similar.
Particularly, portrait modes where Note 8 blurs out lot more than your face where IPhone X does the same lot more accurately.

They are both phones, the ill-term "phablet" is no longer valid, as it was only referring to big screen sized phones in the days of the first Note, now all flagship phones are even bigger than the first galaxy note, the differences that henklbr refers to, are mainly how both OEM design, build and manage their devices

Found the reason. IPhone uses Kinect like 3D imaging for its algorithm. Samsung uses 2D which unfortunately isn't anywhere as accurate as the iPhone for pleasing bike and portrait photos.
Hopefully the next iteration will have something as good or better.

everybodylovesfebs said:
Found the reason. IPhone uses Kinect like 3D imaging for its algorithm. Samsung uses 2D which unfortunately isn't anywhere as accurate as the iPhone for pleasing bike and portrait photos.
Hopefully the next iteration will have something as good or better.
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The 3D imaging is only for front camera when used to unlock the phone. So no that's not the reason. Its software.

Not according to the internet.
https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/255771-apple-iphone-x-truedepth-camera-works
http://bgr.com/2017/10/02/iphone-vs-android-camera-truedepth-face-id/

What does it really matter.. Ultimately, it's (a camera, any camera), is just a tool.. I've seen terrible (and I mean terrible, terrible) shots with the X, and I've taken some bad ones with my 8 in the learning process. Ultimately, it's up to the user to learn what the camera can and cannot do, and it's shortcomings.
I(and I'm sure many others)don't know why there is always someone "iPhone can do this".. Ok.. and, so what... Go buy an iPhone and see all that it cannot do, that the note can. And then, go post in an isheep (which the op sounds like) forum and see how many sensible responses you get..
We deal with notes.. Not iPhones here.. Who cares what that overpriced and over hyped single task piece of yesterday's hardware can or can't do(which can't, is a massive lot!).. I'll take my note on the worst day and night over that ugly screen and lack of multitasking on that ijunk..
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the only thing these two phones have in common is that they both have cameras

WaxysDargle said:
the only thing these two phones have in common is that they both have cameras
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And that both can do voice calls and text messaging :laugh:

rodrigofd said:
And that both can do voice calls and text messaging :laugh:
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that is debatable! lol

everybodylovesfebs said:
Not according to the internet.
https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/255771-apple-iphone-x-truedepth-camera-works
http://bgr.com/2017/10/02/iphone-vs-android-camera-truedepth-face-id/
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Both of those articles are referring to the front facing camera, not the rear cameras.

Geez I'm not an i sheep I've owned s2,3 4 5, s7e, s8 and now note 8. My close friend is however an apple fanboy and likes to compare both and up until the iPhone x I always had the upper hand in most things.
I spent hours trying to find a camera that takes portrait photos(both front and rear) with bit more accuracy when it comes to blurred background.
The 3D imaging is apparently only for the front camera which explains why the front self portraits are a lot better on the iPhone X where as the rear camera portraits are a lot closer in good lighting.
In dim lighting such as a restaurant, the Note 8 selective focus, live focus doesn't fire up due to "no contrast detected.." error.
I'm pretty happy with the Note and use proper mirrorless cameras (a6500 + 18-105 and Samsung NX500+45/1.8) for photography needs however thought I could ask the question here and see if I'm doing something wrong or get some constructive advice on ways to improve the portrait modes. Thanks

Well, yes, your reason is valid, but, in the end, it is always a matter of balance, even the mere fact of using a cell phone to take pictures ultimately reflects this, if taking pictures is the most important factor, a camera is the choice, but you have to pay a price, as I said, it is all about balance, Samsung tried to adress it with the galaxy cameras, but they abandoned it

same camera hardware as the 9+?

Did they use new camera sensors or is it the same hardware as ins the 9+ for the standard and tele camera?

It's the same harware, plus the wide angle lens.

That sucks, coming from the S8 I could just get the S9+ for less money if I only care about the camera.

Well I'm sure if it was a 48mgp you'd be like wow, although for many just because it's a high number rather than knowing about photography.
It's the same sensors that I'm not concerned about, if the software has improved to make great use of them (pixel) or near to then I'm happy.
But of course in some people's mind 48mgp HAS to be better than 12mgp right?.....

Megapixels are 75% marketing and 25% reality.

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It's the same harware, plus the wide angle lens.
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What sensor does the s10 use? I don't think that info is out yet.
The s8 and s9 had the "same" 12mp sensor yet they were totally different, IMX333 vs IMX345.

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What sensor does the s10 use? I don't think that info is out yet.
The s8 and s9 had the "same" 12mp sensor yet they were totally different, IMX333 vs IMX345.
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I read on some review site that they thought it was the same sensor as the 9+ but I imagine that was speculation. It wouldn't surprise me if it was though.

Duncan1982 said:
Well I'm sure if it was a 48mgp you'd be like wow, although for many just because it's a high number rather than knowing about photography.
It's the same sensors that I'm not concerned about, if the software has improved to make great use of them (pixel) or near to then I'm happy.
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If you knew about photography you would know software doesn't matter if its the same hardware, raw files will be the same an are processed with Lightroom as I want them, don't care about Samsung's JPG converter.
I would have been wowed by a larger sensor and a periscope tele with 80mm or more. Definitely not by last years hardware.

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If you knew about photography you would know software doesn't matter if its the same hardware, raw files will be the same an are processed with Lightroom as I want them, don't care about Samsung's JPG converter.
I would have been wowed by a larger sensor and a periscope tele with 80mm or more. Definitely not by last years hardware.
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Sorry but you're wrong. You can look at the Pixel or Magic Lantern for the Canon EOS DSLRs. https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/7x3m8b/pixel-3-camera-software-pixel-xl. If you would like to see a extreme version of how software will change cameras, checkout https://www.pdnonline.com/gear/how-ai-neural-networks-upscale-images/

Camera - Old sensor (again!) Have the competition finally overtaken Google?

So Google used that same sensor for pretty much the 4th year, their computational photography remains excellent but this year compated to other devices I own I think Google have slipped slightly behind the pack and ultimately brute force hardware coupled with improving software. The iPhone (12 pro) is now better across the board in my opinion in everything except maybe edge detection on portrait shots.
Compared to other droids it is less clear cut. I do think that the Pixel still delivers the best images on a consistent basis i.e. take 100 pictures on your Pixel and most will come out good whereas on a Samsung or OnePlus for example you will get less keepers especially on the Samsung if people and pets are involved. I do think however that the overall technical quality has fallen behind and I see a lot more grain in Pixel shots vs. the competition these days due I am sure to the bigger newer sensors on other droids.
Don't get me wrong if I had to choose 1 droid to take to Disney World I'd still go with the Pixel but if I had to choose a phone full stop to take it would be the iPhone hands down.
Here is hoping that transfering all the learnings to a new main sensor will not prove too challenging for them next year!

i think overall it's pretty clear that the pixel still competes at the top with a lower price which is great. But i'd like to know how good the camera of the pixel 5 works in all kind of third party apps because i have red that googles magic only works if you use the camera app. I have red multiple times that the video quality in whatsapp is horrible and i wonder how it performs in snapchat, duo and whatever other apps are popular right now.
For some reason people nowadays tend to go to extremes way to fast, so i don't know what to think of it. If anyone has tried out a few apps i'd like to read some short reviews.

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i think overall it's pretty clear that the pixel still competes at the top with a lower price which is great. But i'd like to know how good the camera of the pixel 5 works in all kind of third party apps because i have red that googles magic only works if you use the camera app. I have red multiple times that the video quality in whatsapp is horrible and i wonder how it performs in snapchat, duo and whatever other apps are popular right now.
For some reason people nowadays tend to go to extremes way to fast, so i don't know what to think of it. If anyone has tried out a few apps i'd like to read some short reviews.
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This is a complicated one as 3rd party camera apps do not get the full access needed for a fair comparison.

this is likely because they got things just right with the current sensor and any hardware change would require reworking and potential loss of prominence on the camera-phone stage.

Not that bad after all...
Blind camera comparison @Phonearena

The wide angle lens is absolutely terrible in low light and that's not using an old sensor is it?

Google pixel focus on over all experience i think itis great . End of day all of them i 12 mp camera with decent size sensor how much do you think make different not a lot. It all about personal choice