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Real Camera Experience - P20 Pro Vs Pixel 2 XL - DxoMark lies? or faulty software?

I have both devices currently and from my very brief short time with the P20 pro , the pictures taken with it don't even come close to the quality you can get from the Pixel 2 XL.
Please tell me its just a case of faulty software, else I think I may be taking this phone back sadly.
Problems so far
Images lack any real detail and are very soft
HDR mode still hidden
Night Mode whilst great is still a 4 sec picture.. (but still soft ) - (The advantage you get from those 4 secs does not seem worth it from my quick test - but i'll keep testing)
Camera UI is rubbish... (subjective i know)
But it will be interesting to know if anyone else as similar experiences , as most reviewers online appear to suggest that this is the best camera phone ever!

Can't say my photos come out soft, mine are pretty close to what I see with my eyes. Not as sharp as some cameras that seem to over sharpen via post processing. More natural images than most cams I have used.
With the P20 Pro you do have to fiddle a bit in different situations, it's definitely not as versatile as the pixel if you just want to point and shoot. Some of my pics come out better when I bump up the megapixels. Some need nightmode or for me to disable the AI.
You can adjust pretty much everything. You don't need to always take 4 second night shots, you can adjust the time for the situation. Sometimes a second is enough.
The UI is a bit of a pain I agree, although I did expect that with the sheer amount of options provided. There is a lot going on. I'm having great success in Pro mode in my limited testing so far. It is a bit or a learning curve with the P20 Pro compared to other phones though for sure.
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I forgot to add that the front camera is a different story, not that I take many selfies but...damn. Beauty mode seems to be undefeatable. Even when turned off I come out looking like a Ken doll. They really need to provide some kind of fix for that. The camera itself is capable of better pics, looks like they gimped the software.
I emailed them about it, because as it is, it's not that useful.

What i can say from my experience using several huawei phone is that, ever since P9,
The phone built with a photographer user (not really common point and shoot user) in mind,
Manual or semi auto setting always work best in various condition. Especially if the user understand well the corelation between apperture size, speed and ISO sensitivity and how it affect the picture quality/result.
That being said, someone who come from pixel 2 (i own pixel 2 xl myself as well) might find that the camera app UI and the auto mode is not as easy/versatile to use compare to google one. But the potential is definitely there.
Honestly, when using huawei camera, i mostly shoot in RAW and do the post processing later on myself. Auto mode is good enough for daily usage like shooting food or friend for instagram use. But the true power is in manual mode. Thats where all those leica software engineer chime in.

Thanks guys
Can you give me some examples of your images after post-processing ?
I'm more than happy to use pro mode (I also had a V30) , but even in pro the images just don't look right at all.
Also it was mentioned that the colours are more true to life but again i'm not seeing this when compared to the pixel (I took a very quick random picture of a orange t-shirt and it came out yellow on the p20 pro... )

Horses for courses. If you only want to point n shoot then Pixel or S9, if you're more into photography than that then easily the P20 Pro over anything else on the market right now. DxO ratings have always correlated poorly to actual general use, I thought everyone had worked that out by now.

Highspeed123 said:
Can't say my photos come out soft, mine are pretty close to what I see with my eyes. Not as sharp as some cameras that seem to over sharpen via post processing. More natural images than most cams I have used.
With the P20 Pro you do have to fiddle a bit in different situations, it's definitely not as versatile as the pixel if you just want to point and shoot. Some of my pics come out better when I bump up the megapixels. Some need nightmode or for me to disable the AI.
You can adjust pretty much everything. You don't need to always take 4 second night shots, you can adjust the time for the situation. Sometimes a second is enough.
The UI is a bit of a pain I agree, although I did expect that with the sheer amount of options provided. There is a lot going on. I'm having great success in Pro mode in my limited testing so far. It is a bit or a learning curve with the P20 Pro compared to other phones though for sure.
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I forgot to add that the front camera is a different story, not that I take many selfies but...damn. Beauty mode seems to be undefeatable. Even when turned off I come out looking like a Ken doll. They really need to provide some kind of fix for that. The camera itself is capable of better pics, looks like they gimped the software.
I emailed them about it, because as it is, it's not that useful.
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Could you please share some of the settings that helped you? I for one am not able to find the setting to disable the AI [Edit - Did you mean the Master AI setting? It seems to only affect the Photo mode]

Not a point an shoot quite yet
I would say the Samsung Note 8 or S8/9 are easier to use but the colours on the P20 Pro seem more realistic once you have disabled AI.
If you like to work in Pro mode and use the manual focus you can get some very good results on the P20 Pro but everything set to auto and its random whether the shot works out or not.
In particular for close ups manual focus is infinitely more effective than trying to wait for the auto focus which sometimes fails completely.
If you use the P20 Pro like you would a camera the depth of abilities are way up there but AI doesn't quite work well enough yet to provide reliable results.
Remember DX0 is only about sensors not ease of use or UI etc its just about sensor performance.
My 2p worth..

After more playing around with the p20 pro i've come to the conclusion that its not for me.
I'm more of a point and shoot guy and the p20 pro is too random with its pictures to really be a good point and shoot.
I'm going to stick with the pixel 2 xl, and would advise anyone looking for a simple point and shoot camera to look elsewhere.
P.S Surely the LG V30's manual mode is superior to the p20 pro if you want to play with manual settings?

Tiger33 said:
After more playing around with the p20 pro i've come to the conclusion that its not for me.
I'm more of a point and shoot guy and the p20 pro is too random with its pictures to really be a good point and shoot.
I'm going to stick with the pixel 2 xl, and would advise anyone looking for a simple point and shoot camera to look elsewhere.
P.S Surely the LG V30's manual mode is superior to the p20 pro if you want to play with manual settings?
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I would agree with you, if you simply need a point and shoot camera. Pixel 2 XL wil do better for you
P20 Pro, just like the "Pro" moniker it bring along, will suit a seasoned photographer more.
As for manual mode conparison between LG v30 and P20, i would say, no. LG is nowhere close to huawei manual/pro mode. But again, that is a subjectivity. Someone who were common with a DSLR / Mirrorless camera manual set up, will appreciate huawei software more. Since it resemble their old "real" camera gear more. DxO is quite an oldtimer in photography area, and what they did with their test, is what normally a photographer will do as well. Unfortunately, thats not always the case with the rest of mobile phone user. Thats why the result is oftenly unrelateable.
Btw, before you actually ditch your P20 pro, can you give it one more chance, but this time,
Try to shoot everything using night mode (even in daylight). I think you will find the result totally different with your previous experience.
Thats all i can suggest for now. If you wonder, why nigh mode ?? Maybe this video can help you get a better idea :

Tiger33 said:
P.S Surely the LG V30's manual mode is superior to the p20 pro if you want to play with manual settings?
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I don't think the number of settings and the options given to the photographer are nearly as good with LG. Huawei are in a class of their own in that regard, at the moment. UI can definitely be improved a bit though.
Also, the V30 uses a tiny 1/2.9" sensor, like the iPhones.

Right, I've created a very quick group in flickr with some pictures taken with both p20 pro and pixel 2 xl.
would love to get your opinions.
In all cases i'm just using Auto with no AI for the P20 Pro,
https://www.flickr.com/groups/[email protected]/
Again in my eye the pixel 2 xl is 'alot' better than the P20 Pro ( bad photographer? = me )
So yes i just pointed, focused and shot the picture.
Just using auto and no AI for the pictures too.
let me know if you think i should adjust settings and i'll continue making adjustments.
I have a few more days with phone before making final decision.

I've added another 3 pictures to the group
https://www.flickr.com/groups/[email protected]/
1 taken with pixel 2 xl
1 taken with p20 pro auto
1 taken with p20 pro night mode (as suggested earlier)
Night mode just appears to oversharpen the image badly IMO?? , whilst auto is too soft
Picture 7 - P20 Pro - Night Mode
Picture 7 - P20 Pro - Auto
picture 7 - Pixel 2 XL

Looks to me very close although I think the P20 shots on Auto are a slightly over exposed but have less noise and the Pixel shots are better exposed but have more noise.
I would say the P20 will be better for night shots if you are happy waiting 6 seconds for a shot, but the Pixel 2 XL will take better auto day time shots.

Tiger33 said:
Right, I've created a very quick group in flickr with some pictures taken with both p20 pro and pixel 2 xl.
would love to get your opinions.
In all cases i'm just using Auto with no AI for the P20 Pro,
https://www.flickr.com/groups/[email protected]/
Again in my eye the pixel 2 xl is 'alot' better than the P20 Pro ( bad photographer? = me )
So yes i just pointed, focused and shot the picture.
Just using auto and no AI for the pictures too.
let me know if you think i should adjust settings and i'll continue making adjustments.
I have a few more days with phone before making final decision.
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iI've checked your album,
and i would agree that the roof top auto result from P20 Pro is lPretty bad. Sky was overblown. And pedestrian area is not looks that good as well. But for the night mode shoot, i wont say that as an oversharpen image though. The detail on trhe brick is quite good, sky is not clipping, and in overall, it has less noise compared to the pixel 2XL.
same case with ST. Pancras shot, i would say that in term of detail and noise level, P20 pro has an advantage here. You can check the detail on the top decoration, as well as near the ceiling. While Pixel 2 XL already abit of smudgy because of the noise, P20 result still showing the fine detail. So am not sure what you mean by "soft". (check my attachment to understand which area am talking about)
what confused me is the dinning room shot. I check the ISO and Shutter Speed of both shot. And in both shoot, Pixel 2 using faster shutter speed and lower ISO, yet the result is much darker in P20 Pro shot. This doesn't really go well with a photography theory, LoL. Slower speed and higher ISO should always resulting abrighter image. Yet the P20 Pro image is so bad at retaining the dark area.
May i know some details from you :
1. How do you point your focus/metering ? Do you always focus on same area/spot when shooting using the two phones ?
2. What resolution did you use on P20 Pro ? 40MP or 10MP ? 40MP use full resolution, but will deject the post processing, causing softer & darker image, but good for self post editing. But will looks bad if you plan to use the picture directly. In contrary, 10MP will use the post processing engine more, resulting in more pleasant picture for mobile use.

Sorry i left the attachment

otonieru said:
iI've checked your album,
and i would agree that the roof top auto result from P20 Pro is lPretty bad. Sky was overblown. And pedestrian area is not looks that good as well. But for the night mode shoot, i wont say that as an oversharpen image though. The detail on trhe brick is quite good, sky is not clipping, and in overall, it has less noise compared to the pixel 2XL.
same case with ST. Pancras shot, i would say that in term of detail and noise level, P20 pro has an advantage here. You can check the detail on the top decoration, as well as near the ceiling. While Pixel 2 XL already abit of smudgy because of the noise, P20 result still showing the fine detail. So am not sure what you mean by "soft". (check my attachment to understand which area am talking about)
what confused me is the dinning room shot. I check the ISO and Shutter Speed of both shot. And in both shoot, Pixel 2 using faster shutter speed and lower ISO, yet the result is much darker in P20 Pro shot. This doesn't really go well with a photography theory, LoL. Slower speed and higher ISO should always resulting abrighter image. Yet the P20 Pro image is so bad at retaining the dark area.
May i know some details from you :
1. How do you point your focus/metering ? Do you always focus on same area/spot when shooting using the two phones ?
2. What resolution did you use on P20 Pro ? 40MP or 10MP ? 40MP use full resolution, but will deject the post processing, causing softer & darker image, but good for self post editing. But will looks bad if you plan to use the picture directly. In contrary, 10MP will use the post processing engine more, resulting in more pleasant picture for mobile use.
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Yep that is what was so frustrating, I noticed the night shot of St pancras Hotel sign and could see it looked do much better yet that was the only example
All other pictures the pixel looked better
I'm using 10MP and I'm focusing on the same area with both phones

otonieru said:
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Which images are taken with which phone?

scook94 said:
Which images are taken with which phone?
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Warmer tone is P20 Pro

otonieru said:
Warmer tone is P20 Pro
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Images 2&4? They certainly seem the superior pictures.

So far I'm not too wowed by the camera either :/
Hoping to learn to use it properly because some sample shots I've seen look amazing but I can't seem to get anything like that.

Is there any GCam port for the P20 Pro?

I know that if you mess around with pro mode it can take outstanding photos but I want to improve the point and shoot skills of the P20 Pro, especially the front facing camera.

Also interested. I used it on my s8 and it was my go to camera.

I've tried handful of ported GCam-s, even the one that somehow worked on P10, but none of them work on P20

bicinitup said:
Also interested. I used it on my s8 and it was my go to camera.
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I find some posts saying that the Exynos port works with the Mate 10 pro. My P20 Pro hasn't arrived yet, but as soon as it arrives I'll test the ports. Could you test too?

JadranB said:
I've tried handful of ported GCam-s, even the one that somehow worked on P10, but none of them work on P20
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Have you tried any that works with the Mate 10 pro?

Ezito said:
Have you tried any that works with the Mate 10 pro?
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This is the only only one that doesn't actually crash, but hdr+ doesnt work, and I don't think that it works at all that well.
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/...874.41362666__A7.0-8.1_MI5S_v2b_SG7Exy_v4.apk
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JadranB said:
This is the only only one that doesn't actually crash, but hdr+ doesnt work, and I don't think that it works at all that well.
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/...874.41362666__A7.0-8.1_MI5S_v2b_SG7Exy_v4.apk
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Ok, I did some quick&dirty compaction, and this GCam port is not that bad at all. It has much more natural color rendering, and I would say that details at on pair with P20 pro cam in Pro mode on 10MP. Of course P20 Cam has much more tricks in its sleeve, like other modes etc. It would be best if you would try it yourself and see if it suits you

JadranB said:
This is the only only one that doesn't actually crash, but hdr+ doesnt work, and I don't think that it works at all that well.
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/...874.41362666__A7.0-8.1_MI5S_v2b_SG7Exy_v4.apk
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Ok, I did some quick&dirty compaction, and this GCam port is not that bad at all. It has much more natural color rendering, and I would say that details at on pair with P20 pro cam in Pro mode on 10MP. Of course P20 Cam has much more tricks in its sleeve, like other modes etc. It would be best if you would try it yourself and see if it suits you
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Can you post some comparison?

Sadly front camera not working. Main reason I wanted it. Anyone know a dev that may help?

Ezito said:
Can you post some comparison?
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I tried it again this morning, but sadly it doesn't work any more. Just chrashes
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subscribed. Have been using ported gcams on my LG G6, V30, Note 8... can't beat google's post processing magic. Will definitely look to get it for my P20 pro as well, once someone ports it over.

+1 for this pleasssseeeeeeee

bicinitup said:
Sadly front camera not working. Main reason I wanted it. Anyone know a dev that may help?
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Front camera works on HuaweibP20 pro
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bicinitup said:
Sadly front camera not working. Main reason I wanted it. Anyone know a dev that may help?
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Front camera works on HuaweibP20 pro
Update:
But now the camera app crashes and wont open anymore

yeah, waiting for an update to Huawei P20 PRO for hdr+ gcam

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1x9Nnk4OpySU4IE4_4Wux07ybjEYIF2Pr/view?usp=sharing
Try this it works perfectly with both cams front and rear but without hdr

kgian2007 said:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1x9Nnk4OpySU4IE4_4Wux07ybjEYIF2Pr/view?usp=sharing
Try this it works perfectly with both cams front and rear but without hdr
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I get this error
There's a problem parsing with the package

@kgian2007
playstore version without hdr+ etc.

Any news here? does any of the existing ports work with Huawei P20 Pro?

all the pugs said:
Any news here? does any of the existing ports work with Huawei P20 Pro?
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Guessing we won't see a port with working HDR+ at least until/unless full or level 3 Camera2 API is supported.
Highly recommend checking out the HedgeCam 2 app in the Play Store (it's an Open Camera fork); processing is a bit slow but it takes really nice full 40mp hdr photos and gives a ton of control over exposure, sharpness and dynamic range (slower capture but much wider range -- almost night mode good -- with the Camera2 API setting off).

tab00t^2 said:
Highly recommend checking out the HedgeCam 2 app in the Play Store (it's an Open Camera fork); processing is a bit slow but it takes really nice full 40mp hdr photos and gives a ton of control over exposure, sharpness and dynamic range (slower capture but much wider range -- almost night mode good -- with the Camera2 API setting off).
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thanks! Had been toying around with it but the results are very grainy and have color bands or tonal distortions. Not sure what I‘m doing wrong.

kgian2007 said:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1x9Nnk4OpySU4IE4_4Wux07ybjEYIF2Pr/view?usp=sharing
Try this it works perfectly with both cams front and rear but without hdr
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Thanks this one works really great! Where did you get it from? The only thing that does not works perfectly ist Video, it looks kinda stretched bc of the 18:9 Display but the Videos you take are 16:9 and not streched. Its just the Video 'preview' that does not work 100% perfect but overall a great port!

Has the camera software improved at all since launch?

Specifically the AI. I was just wondering if Huawei is actively trying to improve the point and shoot capability of the P20 Pro? I currently have a Pixel 2 XL, and am interested in the P20 Pro, but I want to make sure that I won't be taking a hit on camera quality when it comes to simple point and shoot.

I wouldn't get the p20 pro expecting better landscape shots. It excels if you want to zoom (which I find very useful) or use the night mode for example, for very good night shots. The AI I doubt will ever become overly useful.

Yes, with last 120 update: IA was improved and no overexposed the image, frontal camera "selfie" a big jump now is quite perfect, but with 1 update since the launch this thing are developed so in future could be more better cause this phone has a huge potential in camera

Depends what you want to take photos of.
I have gotten better photos on the P20 Pro than I did on my Pixel 2, but I have very exacting standards for my cameras and I edit photos a lot before i'm finished with them.
The depth of field and reduced noise of the P20 pro is what is keeping me with it for now. The pixel is better at selfies and photos close up of flowers etc.
I turn the AI off as it's useless really.
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Slash8915 said:
Specifically the AI. I was just wondering if Huawei is actively trying to improve the point and shoot capability of the P20 Pro? I currently have a Pixel 2 XL, and am interested in the P20 Pro, but I want to make sure that I won't be taking a hit on camera quality when it comes to simple point and shoot.
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You will be taking a hit on speed and smoothness of the phone, that's for sure, but battery life is better on the P20 Pro, the screen, and the camera in most situations. But in my honest opinion as another poster said, unless you want the zoom features or take a lot of low light photos, it might be best to stick with the pixel 2 for now.

Jonathan-H said:
Depends what you want to take photos of.
I have gotten better photos on the P20 Pro than I did on my Pixel 2, but I have very exacting standards for my cameras and I edit photos a lot before i'm finished with them.
The depth of field and reduced noise of the P20 pro is what is keeping me with it for now. The pixel is better at selfies and photos close up of flowers etc.
I turn the AI off as it's useless really.
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You will be taking a hit on speed and smoothness of the phone, that's for sure, but battery life is better on the P20 Pro, the screen, and the camera in most situations. But in my honest opinion as another poster said, unless you want the zoom features or take a lot of low light photos, it might be best to stick with the pixel 2 for now.
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So for someone that doesn't edit the photos at all after taking them, would you recommend I just wait for the Pixel 3 XL?

Wait for the pixel. The camera on this one is pretty much garbage compared to Galaxy S8.
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Disappointed in the camera

I did some comparative shots with one of my work colleagues. He has a Samsung Galaxy S9+. We took the same photos in the same conditions and all his photos were sharper, more detailed and with less noise. Even low light shots where I had night mode enabled, his still took better pictures and he doesn't even have night mode.
Pretty disappointing.

upload the samples, let us judge it too

I've come from the S9+ and the Mate 20 Pro is better

Biggenz said:
I did some comparative shots with one of my work colleagues. He has a Samsung Galaxy S9+. We took the same photos in the same conditions and all his photos were sharper, more detailed and with less noise. Even low light shots where I had night mode enabled, his still took better pictures and he doesn't even have night mode.
Pretty disappointing.
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Hmm.... I don't have so but I have s8 to compare.. Mp20 takes way better pictures in any situations.. Please post the samples you are comparing.. Maybe it's just the Samsung screen is better than our Mp20.

I'm also coming from the S9+ and the shots on the Mate 20 Pro are consistently better, with more details.
What I noticed, though, is that OIS on the S9+ seems to be superior to the stabilization on the M20Pro - specifically in low light situations. But we are talking about subtle nuances here ....

I think camera is superb

My mate 20 pro camera is way better at night than my note 9 ugly camera

You got defective unit, the only camera that beats mate at times, is the Pixel.

Derpling said:
You got defective unit, the only camera that beats mate at times, is the Pixel.
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ok, I have this problem too!
Bought a mate 20 pro yesterday and today I was comparing the pictures with the S9 and the Mate and all of them are way better with more detail in the S9.
I'm in panic now!
i will post the comparative pictures.
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Left one is from a Galaxy S9 and the right one is the Mate.

sousa_2005 said:
ok, I have this problem too!
Bought a mate 20 pro yesterday and today I was comparing the pictures with the S9 and the Mate and all of them are way better with more detail in the S9.
I'm in panic now!
i will post the comparative pictures.
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Left one is from a Galaxy S9 and the right one is the Mate.
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The photo you took is totally different composition, the monitor LED light might effect the result also. Should take a photo with same composition.

another ones
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don't know why the S9 image stays always upside down after uploading..

pogi.paul0119 said:
Hmm.... I don't have so but I have s8 to compare.. Mp20 takes way better pictures in any situations.. Please post the samples you are comparing.. Maybe it's just the Samsung screen is better than our Mp20.
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Do you think the m20p is a good upgrade from the s8/s8+ especially including the free pre order gifts?

anyone know if this phone has diferent camera sensores like samsung (Sony and samsung sensor)?
I can't believe that my S9 with only one camera take way BETTER shots than the Mate 20 pro.
Too much disappointed with this!
Don't know if I'm doing anything wrong...
I bought this because I was tired of the Samsung ui and the slow (NO) updates... but payed a lot more for this phone and comparing the pictures.. 90% of them are worst than the S9.
The pictures in the Huawei are way more darker...
first- S9
Second -Mate

Auto Setting in both phones.
Huawei with AI off

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Do you think the m20p is a good upgrade from the s8/s8+ especially including the free pre order gifts?
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Well yeah.. The phone itself is nice. Good upgrade if your coming from s8..

Ok, while I really like this phone for it's camera capabilities, it's fair to say my experience with the M20Pro shooter has been a bit mixed. I am coming from a S7 edge (great camera for its time). My girlfriend has an iPhone XS, so that's also a good reference.
The good: the wide angle lens is amazing, great for pictures of architecture and nature, shots look dramatic and fairly unique. Night mode is also good, when it get's it right, it renders a really impressive picture. Portrait mode is a bit agressive, but does an above average job bluring the foreground as well as the backgroud. Aperture mode is neat and more natural looking than portrait. AI is ok, it get's things right more often than not. I haven't used much the 3x zoom yet, but I guess it can come in handy.
The bad: no optical image stabilization - it may seem like nitpicking, but this phone takes a lot of blured shaky picures for a flagship, especially in low light situations. You may find yourself having to have to hold it steady and firm for a good second or two in some situations to get a usable shot. If you're trying to take pictures from moving subjects, like pets or kids, this device is not your greatest friend. The dinamic range is also not the best, lagging significantly behind iPhone and Pixel - the shadows tend to be darker while the highlights do blow sometimes. I found that a little post production goes a long way with the M20P shots - when you recover those shadows, add a tad of sharpness and maybe a bit of saturation you can make a rather dull pic look amazing - but I can understand how the average user might not want to go throught that. Also not great is the HDR, firstly because it's a separate hidden mode in the extras (when it should be a toggle always readily available on the interface), secondly because, as mentioned, while usable, it's not top class - and again the lack of OIS makes things trickier.
All in all, I am mostly pleased with this camera because of its versatility. You can acomplish pictures with the M20P that no other phone can match - like a wide angle night shot. Having said that, it's certainly not the best point and shoot phone camera out there - to get the most of it you have to wrestle through the endless menus and modes and sometimes work a bit on the post production. So, if you don't care abou the wide angle lens and just want a phone camera that spits out eye catching images 9 times out of 10, I guess you could be better served with a Pixel 3, iPhone Xs or even a Galaxy S/Note 9.
Those are my two cents, but I'm curious to read what you guys think.
Cheers.

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Ok, while I really like this phone for it's camera capabilities, it's fair to say my experience with the M20Pro shooter has been a bit mixed. I am coming from a S7 edge (great camera for its time). My girlfriend has an iPhone XS, so that's also a good reference.
The good: the wide angle lens is amazing, .....
Those are my two cents, but I'm curious to read what you guys think.
Cheers.
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Nice sharing, agreed the M20P photo is not the best in certain situation, video too, but i bought it just because the wide angle camera, the huge battery and the fast charging.
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sousa_2005 said:
anyone know if this phone has diferent camera sensores like samsung (Sony and samsung sensor)?
I can't believe that my S9 with only one camera take way BETTER shots than the Mate 20 pro.
Too much disappointed with this!
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first- S9
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Hi there, what firmware you are on?
Mine is 9.0.0.126, seem like ok.

sousa_2005 said:
anyone know if this phone has diferent camera sensores like samsung (Sony and samsung sensor)?
I can't believe that my S9 with only one camera take way BETTER shots than the Mate 20 pro.
Too much disappointed with this!
Don't know if I'm doing anything wrong...
I bought this because I was tired of the Samsung ui and the slow (NO) updates... but payed a lot more for this phone and comparing the pictures.. 90% of them are worst than the S9.
The pictures in the Huawei are way more darker...
first- S9
Second -Mate
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40mp or 10 mp ?
to use 40, you need are really well lit environment, otherwise its always 10 mp for hdr effect.

hi just know what happened ..... shame on me...

sousa_2005 said:
hi just know what happened ..... shame on me...
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And?

Oneplus 7 pro Nightscape vs Gcam app comparison *very disappointing*

Hello everyone,
I have been using my oneplus 7 pro for a few hours now, overall it's a great phone.
My only complaint so far is Nightscape mode, it takes awful photos, I downloaded Gcam *Google camera* and tested it out for a bit, what I could get out of this is that in comparison with Nightscape mode, Gcam takes it's time taking the picture, while Nightscape mode is done in a second, this is very strange, as a result I get white dots in my photos, as you can see in the images I uploaded.
When I went into settings on Gcam, I found out that it only uses 12mp, I don't understand why this is happening.
Can any of you make a similar comparison and share it in this thread?
Thank you

personally i like the OP photo, colors look way better, less noise. sure its not as bright but come on, it looks pitch black.
do some post processing and im sure youll get a better image than GCAM.
what do you expect from phones?

People keep saying they're disappointed in the camera, but it sounds like they're really just disappointed in the Oneplus camera app. Clearly the camera is capable of good things, based on the GCam user experiences, so what is there to be upset about?

This are my samples, the darkest one is the stock in auto mode, the slight brighter one is the nightscape mode, and the brightest is gcam night sight

Slapyou said:
People keep saying they're disappointed in the camera, but it sounds like they're really just disappointed in the Oneplus camera app. Clearly the camera is capable of good things, based on the GCam user experiences, so what is there to be upset about?
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I totally agree with you, but this has been a issue in the past, now we have "2.0" and Google camera is still better.
The white dots are very strange, I see them in every photo I take with the original camera app in Nightscape mode.

Other phones will never be able to take the same photos as a Pixel phone, there's an additional processor that was added to those phones called the Pixel Visual Core, due to this, comparing shots isn't very helpful as the two devices will not be on an equal playing field. They don't even have the same camera models.
That additional image processor will also be the reason that the Pixel's night time images are far superior.

djsubterrain said:
Other phones will never be able to take the same photos as a Pixel phone, there's an additional processor that was added to those phones called the Pixel Visual Core, due to this, comparing shots isn't very helpful as the two devices will not be on an equal playing field. They don't even have the same camera models.
That additional image processor will also be the reason that the Pixel's night time images are far superior.
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The Pixel 3a and 3a XL don't have the Pixel Visual Core yet they are taking pictures the same as the Pixel 3 and 3 XL.
So would it be a fair playing field to compare to the Pixel 3a?

MrFriendlyAssman said:
I totally agree with you, but this has been a issue in the past, now we have "2.0" and Google camera is still better.
The white dots are very strange, I see them in every photo I take with the original camera app in Nightscape mode.
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so if you had the S10 plus you'd have the same complaint right?
stop comparing everything to googles camera, its getting tiring - google has the visual core, and optimize the hell out of their post processing algo's not even huawei does what the pixels do
i have a pixel 3xl and the op7pro and 99% of the time you can barely tell the difference (on latest 9.5.5) and with the difference you can see you can easily compensate via post processing like snapseed to get the desired look.
and personally, i liked the OP nightscape, it looked more in-focus, colors looked true and the gcam blew out the lamp post.
just wait for a working port of gcam and use that instead. but im getting tired of people complaining and comparing to the pixel 3xl, day shots are identical, you cant expect every phone to perform the same in low light/night.
also look at the gcam vs op nightsight, you realize they both expose the same details in the scene, OP does a better job at keeping neutral lighting while pixel bumps the contrast and highlights up eventhough they both show the EXACT SAME SCENE.
the next person to compare the pixel camera to the OP is going to make me burn my pixel 3xl in a fire pit.
dont make me do it
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MrFriendlyAssman said:
I totally agree with you, but this has been a issue in the past, now we have "2.0" and Google camera is still better.
The white dots are very strange, I see them in every photo I take with the original camera app in Nightscape mode.
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turn off "scene content detection" and watch the magic happen

MrFriendlyAssman said:
I totally agree with you, but this has been a issue in the past, now we have "2.0" and Google camera is still better.
The white dots are very strange, I see them in every photo I take with the original camera app in Nightscape mode.
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2.0 what? Are you talking about night mode 2.0? If so that has nothing to do with nightscape, capturing photos or anything to do with the camera at all. Night mode 2.0 is an upgrade to the night mode for your screen to be turned Amber at night time. Has nothing to do with the camera at all.