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AOSP or Cyanogenmod

Hi does anyone know if this phone will support AOSP or Cyanogenmod? I'm not a fan of MIUI.

After some months, yes.

Thanks!

Yotoprules said:
Hi does anyone know if this phone will support AOSP or Cyanogenmod? I'm not a fan of MIUI.
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After Xiaomi releases kernel sources..

Bhushan1985 said:
After Xiaomi releases kernel sources..
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They've not released them yet right?

hampa said:
They've not released them yet right?
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No, but they released yet source code for some recents phone like Mi4S or Redmi 3...then probably soon we will have source code for Mi 5 (i wish at least because i'm planning to buy the phone)

SedyBenoitPeace said:
No, but they released yet source code for some recents phone like Mi4S or Redmi 3...then probably soon we will have source code for Mi 5 (i wish at least because i'm planning to buy the phone)
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Same here, I will buy it when it has some development and hopefully a official CM then I will buy it instantly!

hampa said:
Same here, I will buy it when it has some development and hopefully a official CM then I will buy it instantly!
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+1 :good:
CM should be able to bring full featured Marshmallow to it (not cut-down version Xiaomi delivers), should have no bloadware, no backdoors and should be able to provide some normal camera app which will fully utilizes provided hardware.

tnttrx said:
+1 :good:
CM should be able to bring full featured Marshmallow to it (not cut-down version Xiaomi delivers), should have no bloadware, no backdoors and should be able to provide some normal camera app which will fully utilize provided hardware.
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Truly amazing beast with CM, wouldn't need to change phone within at least 1½ year

I already ask @miui forum:
en.miui.com thread-243691-1-1.html
Thread instant closed :crying:

Same here, the hardware is awesome. But software is a peace of crap. I am a Nexus User and I would love to have more or less stock Android. Then I would buy that phone.

Why aren't manufactuers releasing their kernels? I'm waiting frustratedly on kernels over at Oneplus 2 aswell. Need CM there so bad.

hampa said:
Why aren't manufactuers releasing their kernels? I'm waiting frustratedly on kernels over at Oneplus 2 aswell. Need CM there so bad.
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I thougjt oneplus 2 have good ROMs.

hampa said:
Why aren't manufactuers releasing their kernels? I'm waiting frustratedly on kernels over at Oneplus 2 aswell. Need CM there so bad.
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There are a lot of answers to this question and each and every brand has it's own.
It can vary from: We want people to have our Stock OS, to we like to violate the GPLv2, to we are horrible bad a writing code (nobody shall see that),.... and goes on forever.
In Xiaomis case I think it is much more simple: It's a Chinese company! (That says a lot, if you want more ask.)
It's a pity to see!

hampa said:
Truly amazing beast with CM, wouldn't need to change phone within at least 1½ year
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I have been using MI 3 for around 2 years now. And certainly don't see any necessity of changing the phone. But I doubt xiaomi will release the source code for MI 5. They didn't release it for mi pad despite of so many fan requests. Moreover, the bootloader is locked. What a way of ruining the beasty hardware.

TheUltrametricSpace said:
There are a lot of answers to this question and each and every brand has it's own.
It can vary from: We want people to have our Stock OS, to we like to violate the GPLv2, to we are horrible bad a writing code (nobody shall see that),.... and goes on forever.
In Xiaomis case I think it is much more simple: It's a Chinese company! (That says a lot, if you want more ask.)
It's a pity to see!
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Thanks for the clarification. I guess this will never happend then, and to stick to miui, I've not tested it personally.
11prathmesh said:
I have been using MI 3 for around 2 years now. And certainly don't see any necessity of changing the phone. But I doubt xiaomi will release the source code for MI 5. They didn't release it for mi pad despite of so many fan requests. Moreover, the bootloader is locked. What a way of ruining the beasty hardware.
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I've come to understand you can unlock it quite simple. Yet custom roms on this device seems like a big nono.
Another question. How is the updates on miui global rom? weekly?

hampa said:
Thanks for the clarification. I guess this will never happend then, and to stick to miui, I've not tested it personally.
I've come to understand you can unlock it quite simple. Yet custom roms on this device seems like a big nono.
Another question. How is the updates on miui global rom? weekly?
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In terms of updates, xiaomi is quite fast. Global devs version is updated weekly. And marshmallow based MIUI 7 is a completely different android experience.

ExArkos said:
Same here, the hardware is awesome. But software is a peace of crap. I am a Nexus User and I would love to have more or less stock Android. Then I would buy that phone.
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I do not get why Nexus users don't try MIUI before buying the phone! There are so many of em! And only a few try outMIUI before buying a phone that is limited to MIUI.
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In terms of updates, xiaomi is quite fast. Global devs version is updated weekly. And marshmallow based MIUI 7 is a completely different android experience.
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Xiaomi also gives long support, the Mi 5 will surely get Android N and whatever comes after. As long as you like MIUI, having a XIaomi is great!

It is no surprise the thread was closed so fast. Xiaomi is 'subsidizing' their mobile phone sales with the long-term outlook of being the new Chinese-Google, in the same way that console makers do not make enough profit off their consoles to allow for carefree business operation. Rather they sell software, services and additional hardware at a steep price.
Without the premise of providing services in a given country and a lucrative outlook, said country will not be supported as an official Xiaomi sales country.
However most likely the kernel-source topic is already collectively covered in an FAQ somewhere, - and reading and searching is part of the forum's etiquette - to which one agrees upon registering.
As ultimateSpace said, one can agree that MIUI is good. Xiaomi started out as a company by merely providing MIUI as a software product. However Android has radically improved since version 3.x.
However MIUI is such a radically different take in user design (UI)) and interaction (UX). Android is increasingly complex. Let's be honest. Who here hasn't youtubed some Android related instructions at some point or another.
Speaking for myself I really am not keen on learning two platforms, especially when undoubtedly ASOP + Google stack / Google Android outshines the competition.

lsauer said:
It is no surprise the thread was closed so fast. Xiaomi is 'subsidizing' their mobile phone sales with the long-term outlook of being the new Chinese-Google, in the same way that console makers do not make enough profit off their consoles to allow for carefree business operation. Rather they sell software, services and additional hardware at a steep price.
Without the premise of providing services in a given country and a lucrative outlook, said country will not be supported as an official Xiaomi sales country.
However most likely the kernel-source topic is already collectively covered in an FAQ somewhere, - and reading and searching is part of the forum's etiquette - to which one agrees upon registering.
As ultimateSpace said, one can agree that MIUI is good. Xiaomi started out as a company by merely providing MIUI as a software product. However Android has radically improved since version 3.x.
However MIUI is such a radically different take in user design (UI)) and interaction (UX). Android is increasingly complex. Let's be honest. Who here hasn't youtubed some Android related instructions at some point or another.
Speaking for myself I really am not keen on learning two platforms, especially when undoubtedly ASOP + Google stack / Google Android outshines the competition.
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If we get official CM we will see long term support aswell. They're giving out updates very generously.

Mi5 - not too popular?

I owned mi3, redmi note 3 pro..both phones seems quite popular in xda in term of custom kernel, custom roms and even official CM. Was tempted to buy mi5, but it seems in xda, custom kernel, roms is quite less than other phones?

gamesky said:
it seems in xda, custom kernel, roms is quite less than other phones?
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That's because other phones have either had their kernel source published on handset release or, as is the case with other Xiaomi phones, have had their kernel source available for some time. Mi5 kernel source was only released a month ago.
If you check the ROM/kernel development section you'll see that it is fairly active, and will only become more active now the Mi5 is dropping in price and CM13 has reached official nightlies. More CM13 based ROMs will appear, as will kernels implementing 32GB model overclocking and other improvements.
For value for money (new) 5" handsets that have quality active community support I can't see any other phone on the market right now competing with the Mi5. I have already bought two and would buy another one in a heartbeat.

xiaomi as usual, late in kernel release, i thought they improved since mi3 era, lol..

Man, for the price of the Mi5 and the specs it has... i don't think it's too late.
Obviously there's more smartphones coming out but I think if we keep on supporting and donating to the devs, I'd say that in no time (maybe a month) we will have several ROMs and custom kernels for our device. There's no need to worry (I guess). Actually I don't like MIUI much, but right now (today) is the best ROM for daily usage. I will switch to CM when I think it's the best time to. But, I've actually donated and done my help to those who are developing it. Done my part, and hopefully will have a great ROM in no time.
Yes, Xiaomi isn't a great "dev friendly brand" but the actual released kernel is a start. I think MIUI will upgrade to Nougat in the near months, and if the sources come out, it's surely great news for us. Just keep on waiting and take advantage of the great device Mi5 is.

I gave up on the mi5, lack of effort from Xiaomi makes the device pretty poor device.
Ordered an One plus 3t, when i get it i will sell my Mi5, it will be my last Xiaomi device ever.

Mi5 not really popular . But it good phone with cheap price and good spec . I dont even care about Xiaomi not making this phone really good . As long as i can use CyanogenMod even it official or unofficial .

The problem is not the developers at xda, but without proper sources from xiaomi there will not be bugfree CM or any other roms.

Possible CM/AOSP development?

Does anybody have any words/rumors about possible CM/AOSP development for the Mi Mix? I love my Mi Mix but I'm really not feeling MIUI at all. Would love to run a CM/AOSP rom on this phone instead. Though being exclusively available in China only really kills the development momentum from the get go. But a man can dream, can't he?

jim380 said:
Does anybody have any words/rumors about possible CM/AOSP development for the Mi Mix? I love my Mi Mix but I'm really not feeling MIUI at all. Would love to run a CM/AOSP rom on this phone instead. Though being exclusively available in China only really kills the development momentum from the get go. But a man can dream, can't he?
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I agree. I want an AOSP ROM android 7.1.

You'll have to be patient and wait it out as the devices is new and overpriced if you want it now.

Sounds like CM is in the works:
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/AndroidPolice/~3/wrL7SoG0n1w/
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Looks like a typo by AndroidPolice, it's for the Mi MAX (hydrogen), not our phone (lithium).
It's still early, way too early to throw in the towel....
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any updates guys?

Is there no way to contribute (monetarily) to help get AOSP?

no kernel sources released by xiaomi, no aosp. it looks like on my previous mi note pro (chinese only device), which took ages to get sources released.

We could get device tree from similar device and build from there but it's gonna be painful and probably we're looking at a half baked product that wouldn't be usable anyway.
In the meantime, we'll wait for the source to be release.

Should be able to pull the blobs from the phone or the build but without the kernel source I'm not sure how to get started. Has anyone seen the kernel source yet?

Xiaomi is usually too lazy to release Kernel sources for devices which don't sell all that much.
They usually release kernel sources for their flagship mass market devices, like the mi5 and also the mid range devices like the Redmi Note and Max as these are officially sold in a few asian markets outside of China.
The low end and the phones mainly intended for the Chinese market are usually left out. Also considering their phones dont support Google officially in the Chinese market, Android version upgrades aren't a priority for them. Majority of their consumers are content with the MIUI upgrages.

satishp said:
Xiaomi is usually too lazy to release Kernel sources for devices which don't sell all that much.
They usually release kernel sources for their flagship mass market devices, like the mi5 and also the mid range devices like the Redmi Note and Max as these are officially sold in a few asian markets outside of China.
The low end and the phones mainly intended for the Chinese market are usually left out. Also considering their phones dont support Google officially in the Chinese market, Android version upgrades aren't a priority for them. Majority of their consumers are content with the MIUI upgrages.
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Maybe they learn, said this was a concept phone and aren't making many, plenty out there now, and what we're now making a white one, XDA calls the shots, think they don't check this site.

Well, atleast some super moderator in the MIUI forums have confirmed that the Mix is next in line to receive Nougat. So thats there. At the moment, I'm quite happy with the EU ROM. Its bloat-free and has great battery life. I would love to see CM(LineageOS) at one point though.
As much as I hate Apple devices for their closed eco-system, their UI is very polished. I know MIUI aims to look too much like iOS. Apart from the launcher, I dont have problems with MIUI.
And MIUI is one of the better skins on Android. I'll pick MIUI over most other manufacturer skins like Samsung's Touchwiz or LG's UI.

satishp said:
Well, atleast some super moderator in the MIUI forums have confirmed that the Mix is next in line to receive Nougat. So thats there. At the moment, I'm quite happy with the EU ROM. Its bloat-free and has great battery life. I would love to see CM(LineageOS) at one point though.
As much as I hate Apple devices for their closed eco-system, their UI is very polished. I know MIUI aims to look too much like iOS. Apart from the launcher, I dont have problems with MIUI.
And MIUI is one of the better skins on Android. I'll pick MIUI over most other manufacturer skins like Samsung's Touchwiz or LG's UI.
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There's no way a device won't get custom ROMs sooner or later it's a developer's dream.

There definitely is a way. If they don't release the kernel source, that's it for anything but modified stock roms.

http://en.miui.com/forum.php?mod=redirect&goto=findpost&ptid=462506&pid=8662826
thats the only custom rom for the mix thus far and they claim that AOSP will be starting soon

In case ya'll didn't know, someone from EpicROM team on MIUI Official Forum mentioned that AOSP development for Mi MIx will start soon.

Any news?

I would also love to know if anyone has any information as a AOSP rom for this phone would be awesome

Kevinkuensken said:
Any news?
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I recall the developer said that they will release a LOS built once an official miui nought ROM hits the device.

matever said:
I would also love to know if anyone has any information as a AOSP rom for this phone would be awesome
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See my response to the previous post.

Is the OnePlus 3t sensible after the issuance of its death certificate?

Dear OnePlus 3t owners,
Is it sensible to buy a new OP3T after OP decided to kill updates post-O?
On this device, easy root, no updates but plenty of community support.
On others (S8, XZ Premium, other mainstream flagships), loss of features with root, somewhat more updates with less community support.
Please help me take my decision, and any and all help is greatly appreciated!

It depends if you want a phone to play around and mod or you want a phone to have longer updates although longer updates are not a guarantee in any brand even Google promises updates for 2 years only. 3t is still a pretty good device and I think we'll have good dev support for atleast a couple of years
Sent from my OnePlus3T using XDA Labs

No update ? Hmm, don't know where you see this, OpenBeta 13 has just been release today.
Personally, I bought the OnePlus 3T like one week ago for 350e on Ebay, very happy with with.
Before it, I bought a OnePlus 5 day one, and, well, if I'm here today, it's because I was very disappointed (*cough* Jelly Effect *cough* ), and I bought the OnePlus 3T because I need a new device right now: I prepare a trip in South Korea, and need a new device to replace the time bomb OnePlus 2 (sorry about my life topic).
I share the idea about the fact that the OnePlus 3T was the true Flagship Killer: low price for very good specs.
You can see that the device is still in top 3 devices on XDA (behind Samsung Galaxy S8/S8+ and LG G6), and for me, it's an indicator that the OnePlus 3T still has a bright future.
So yeah, OnePlus won't update the OnePlus 3T after Android O (but still security update tho), but he, we are on XDA, so plenty of custom ROMs available!
After all, I can't either ""force"" you to buy or not the OnePlus 3T. It depends on multiple points
-How many you want to put in your phone ?
-What is a good smartphone for you ?
-Do you care about officials updates of custom ROMs is ok for you ?

1. No updates: I actually meant "no major version updates".
2. So you have bought the 5 and saw that the 3T was better in comparison?
3. Are custom ROMs stable as stock on this device? (My 1st OP device, hope ROMs are as stable as stock to the contrary of Samsung)
4. Is the camera on custom ROMs any good (as in decent) without camera blobs from OnePlus?
Thanks for your advice! I'm actually biased towards buying the device but I have had my reservations

Well, I'm a tinkerer but I really prefer more updates as I do prefer longevity (3-4 years of college, not enough $$$ to spend on phones). Thank you a lot!

I don't think it'll matter. Android O will be a nice send off and I think said that they'll provide security updates also. The community will support this phone for many android revisions and groups/people like PA or Sultan got the same camera quality on their AOSP roms

Also, you said that you bought the 3T to replace your "time-bomb" OP2. How is the 2 a time bomb exactly? And could the 3T become one too?

I'm content with the device on O but as soon as P rolls out a problem arises. Community ROMs are not exactly stable (coming from Samsung, no idea w/ OP3T though) and I've read somewhere that PA and/or Sultan received the blobs from OP through bribery or something ... What do you think?

So you have bought the 5 and saw that the 3T was better in comparison?
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Jelly Effect is a deal breaker for me. Search for it on internet, you will see.
Are custom ROMs stable as stock on this device?
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For now, I don't know. I just flash a custom kernel on my device, but still under OxygenOS for now.
Is the camera on custom ROMs any good (as in decent) without camera blobs from OnePlus?
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As I said, I don't know. But some recognized devs build ROMs which camera which seems to be as good as stock one (such as SultanXDA's ROM or ParanoidAndroid)
Also, you said that you bought the 3T to replace your "time-bomb" OP2. How is the 2 a time bomb exactly? And could the 3T become one too?
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The OnePlus 2 was produced with the Snapdragon 810, which is, let's be honest, a sh*t. My user experience with it was pretty bad. Also, I don't know if you saw, but the Nexus 6P (which also has the Snapdragon 810) is victims of problems with this processor: actually, some users have a phone which can't even boot anymore. A user find a solution, but actually, the phone now uses 4 cores (the little cluster) instead of 8 (little + big cluster): I don't want the OnePlus 2 to ends like this, so I bought a new phone, just to be sure.
Aaaaand I f*cked up my answer. Of course, this posts contains answer to your questions @WaseemAlkurdi

Custom roms are far more stable on the 3t then on Samsung devices. Less hacking needed.
Updates are kinda over rated at this point. With the 3t you can just build it yourself. Though I would avoid Los based or PA based roms. Those tend to have the most issues with things like instability.

Think of it this way: would you buy this phone and use it as is, or would you out a custom ROM on it?
It might not get any updates from UP after O, but it's gonna get at least 3 more years of support from Lineage and others.

There are a plethora of "stable" custom built ROMs by several very talented developers.
To say that community ROMs are not stable is an EXTREMELY uninformed comment.
I've been running some form of a custom ROM for the past 7 years over a a multitude of phones following well known developers that in my opinion and experience put out better device software than the factory.
If you do choose the OP3T, you'll not be disappointed as it's a quality device with excellent community support.

Like could I build "OxygenOS P" myself?
And if LOS and PA ROMs aren't stable, is AOSP so? And that makes for a tradeoff for camera quality, as an earlier comment said that camera is the best on PA and Sultan (Sultan's being LOS based AFAIK)

@giant22000
Seems like it's going to be the OnePlus 3t after all, and what remains to be done is convincing my dad that an unknown China OEM (in local market's view - not our view) can make solid hardware.
"To say that community ROMs are not stable is an EXTREMELY uninformed comment."
This is relative. Coming from various Samsung devices, namely the Galaxy Grand 2 and the Galaxy Star (the crappiest device known to mankind) and servicing others including flagship models, it does happen that custom ROMs are, to say the best, variable in stability, ranging from crappiest (CM on the Galaxy S Duos and on the Star) to semi-stable (the stuff on high-end phones.

@ast00
I am a tinkerer by nature, no Android phone is mine unless the bootloader is unlocked, custom ROM, kernel, overclock, and later on, development.
I am only concerned about official updates as this may mean eventually being deserted by the community. Is this the case here?

@casual_kikoo
Thanks for your detailed answers!

Yes AOSP tend to be more stable then the other two. Just look at the thread and you will see issues with bootloops and other things. Yet AOSP based roms do not suffer from this.
The camera is good enough no matter the range. I tested both and to be honest it made little difference.
No you are not gonna build Oxygen OS as it is closed source but then again why would you want to?

Stability, mate. Heard that OOS is the most stable, then comes AOSP, then comes LOS.
And if it were possible to build OOS, the update issue would be fixed of course. But alas, it isn't possible, as you said.

No. Most ROMs run on the 3 and the 3T. I mean you flash the same zip for both phones.
This is good because our community is the size of 2 phone's communities. You will have plenty of support later on.

Take nexus 5 as example, its still getting regular rom updates such as PA or lineage, this device will be no different.. it will receive android updates from xda community for a long time

General I am starting to hate this phone now for one reason!

No custom ROMs. Stupid Xiaomi please release the source and kernel. We are past 4 months and nothing till now. Oneplus 9 pro on the other hand released 5 days before this phone and I see 10+ custom roms in the forum already. Such a great phone with so much user reach and xiaomi doesnt care about software. Only people from China are getting updates every 3 weeks or so (iam not talking about xiaomi.eu rom). Completely neglected Global rom and India rom.
Issue with this company is: It releases 10+ phones in the same price range with different hardware every 6 months and forgets about software completely. If you cant update the software, release the source and kernel for developers atleast!

Agreed

Why u guys talk so much about custom rom?
Im satisfied with eu rom now
Almost nothing need to change

definitely.

They did release kernel sources.
https://github.com/MiCode/Xiaomi_Kernel_OpenSource
More specific
https://github.com/MiCode/Xiaomi_Kernel_OpenSource/tree/star-r-oss

easy easy bro, calm da f*** down.
it's all have a solution, why don't you focus on what actually you using phone for? like play game, multitasking, or take a photo ,etc..
so, let take some experience with another users like me, why you dont try MIUI MIX (MMX Team) it's not bad because it's base on EU ROM.

hungragezone said:
Why u guys talk so much about custom rom?
Im satisfied with eu rom now
Almost nothing need to change
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I can create a 5 hour video with all the bugs that I have on xiaomi.eu rom. Its not perfect if you don't look at it in that way. Iam a developer myself and i dont look at things like a end user does. Sorry if i hurt your feelings.

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They did release kernel sources.
https://github.com/MiCode/Xiaomi_Kernel_OpenSource
More specific
https://github.com/MiCode/Xiaomi_Kernel_OpenSource/tree/star-r-oss
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Good to hear. I don't see any developers working on this phone though?

saisannihith said:
Good to hear. I don't see any developers working on this phone though?
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How do sales compare to s21u or the one plus 9 pro ?
I think the global variant is overpriced tbh.... especially for a Xiaomi phone
Apple can get away with ridiculous prices and even Samsung to some degree but Xiaomi doesn't ring synonymous with prestige flagship grade experience
They're the cheap and cheerful brand...
My friend bought a Poco f3 yesterday and it's a great phone for it's price

speedtripler said:
How do sales compare to s21u or the one plus 9 pro ?
I think the global variant is overpriced tbh.... especially for a Xiaomi phone
Apple can get away with ridiculous prices and even Samsung to some degree but Xiaomi doesn't ring synonymous with prestige flagship grade experience
They're the cheap and cheerful brand...
My friend bought a Poco f3 yesterday and it's a great phone for it's price
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iam guessing as all the phones are global this is the order of sales Oneplus 9 Pro > 11 Ultra > S21

hungragezone said:
Why u guys talk so much about custom rom?
Im satisfied with eu rom now
Almost nothing need to change
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Aren't we supposed to talk about it? I personally would prefer a custom rom like LineageOS over MIUI anytime.
Good for you, you are satisfied with it... i am not. And i totally agree with the thread-owner, i start to hate it too.

I don't hate my phone, I just hate Chinese Firmware. Now I'm waiting for Bootloader and will install Xiaomi.eu

Agreed. Never seen something as horrible as MIUI. Nothing but stupid effects.
If i knew that beforehand, I'd never had bought a xiaomi.
And no, the .eu rom doesn't fix any of its problems.

Ridley8819 said:
Agreed. Never seen something as horrible as MIUI. Nothing but stupid effects.
If i knew that beforehand, I'd never had bought a xiaomi.
And no, the .eu rom doesn't fix any of its problems.
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What is your problem?

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What is your problem?
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Well, he can probably make a 5 hour video about that and attach here.

Unbelievable how ignorant (not to say different word) you should be to buy a phone than wait and hope for a custom rom (even though nobody on planet earth promised one).Than you go online and trashtalk the company, the phone and so on,only reason being your own wrong choice.
This is pure stupidity at its best.

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iam guessing as all the phones are global this is the order of sales Oneplus 9 Pro > 11 Ultra > S21
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S21 > Oneplus 9 pro > Something Else > Mi11 Ultra. There. I fixed it for you

Not sure why you get personal here.
I always had phones using a clean and functional OS. I knew that the asian customers prefer it more colorful and I expected exactly this. But what Xiaomi delivers with MIUI is a slap for everyone not deepdiving into their software beforehand.
Why is a compass app installed systemwise? Yes you can disable it and even uninstall it via adb. Why can't you hide apps in the drawer? Lets say I dislike their contacts app and want to use another one, I then have to have both on the drawer without the ability to hide theirs (yes, you can hide some non-system apps behind the app-lock). Why does Onehanded Mode not work with gestures? Why do they force you to wait for 7 days before you can unlock the bootloader and why do you need a sim-card in the phone for this and give them your number?
The "cleaner" app does nothing but spying, even worse that such software doesn't even (ever) work on Linux based OS. Not mentioning the "security" app that is another piece of scam software they integrated some system relevant services into while on the other hand, blocking essential android services and thus create a lot of issues non-existant on other devices.
If you ask me, MIUI as a whole is nothing but a scam. Google sniffing apps can at least be disabled, no chance for the Xiaomi ones.

vendetta17 said:
Unbelievable how ignorant (not to say different word) you should be to buy a phone than wait and hope for a custom rom (even though nobody on planet earth promised one).Than you go online and trashtalk the company, the phone and so on,only reason being your own wrong choice.
This is pure stupidity at its best.
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So well do you mean 'if you need a phone with custom rom, just buy it after custom roms are released for that phone'?

saisannihith said:
No custom ROMs. Stupid Xiaomi please release the source and kernel. We are past 4 months and nothing till now. Oneplus 9 pro on the other hand released 5 days before this phone and I see 10+ custom roms in the forum already. Such a great phone with so much user reach and xiaomi doesnt care about software. Only people from China are getting updates every 3 weeks or so (iam not talking about xiaomi.eu rom). Completely neglected Global rom and India rom.
Issue with this company is: It releases 10+ phones in the same price range with different hardware every 6 months and forgets about software completely. If you cant update the software, release the source and kernel for developers atleast!
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Here's the reality, there really isn't that much demand for custom roms. However, there are two that I know of, Xiaomi.eu and MIUI MIX. ONE OS may also have one, but I am not sure on that though. And even though you do need kernel info, you can't expect them to release the proprietary info regarding the rear screen and other features. So even if a rom could be made, there are many things that the developers would not be able to make work. For example, the Mi 10 Pro went the greater part of a year before one started to see custom roms for it. Custom roms, back in the day, were updated regularly and in some cases nightly. Now the original rom and security update can be several months old and it might also be several months before a new version appears. In my opinion, it's really not worth it nowadays and the most of the devs seem to have found that out too.
As for their marketing, I too feel they release to many phones, but apparently it's working as they have become number one in the world.