Related
Does anyone have any idea why the Tab S2 isn't running in 64 bit? It was mentioned by many sources that the Exynos 5433, though the same chip as the Note 4, would be 64 bit enabled, but it's not.
It was disappointing to learn that Marshmallow did not enable 64 bit as I thought it might.
It is very dissapointing, I was hoping to run dolphin emu latest biuld :/ Its a shame that its 8-core processor cannot be put to good use.
#BlameSamsung
Can anybody please run a benchmark and confirm if the OS is 32 bit or 64 bit? I know Snapdragon 625 supports 64 bit OS. But Motorola put 32 bit OS previously on G5 plus. So just want to confirm.
jtrvk said:
Can anybody please run a benchmark and confirm if the OS is 32 bit or 64 bit? I know Snapdragon 625 supports 64 bit OS. But Motorola put 32 bit OS previously on G5 plus. So just want to confirm.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
32-bit.
Way to disappointing that G5s plus got 32bit while it can run 64bit perfectly -.- Lenovo really sux at software handling for sure camera quality ain't as expected way to much yellow color in low light pics and way to much sharpness in day light photos no natural colors are to be found in pics -.- my Nexus 5 can do better than this one imo and lastly what disappointed me was that in LTE network sim 1 net is always turned on in background I checked developers option agressive data is turned off but net is always on which tolls on ür price if u don't have free data which I usually don't since I'm always surrounded by wifi 24/7 my over all impression about this device is that it's only good at performance and battery life
Yes, I just spent a fun morning trying to get the Adfree YouTube apk working before I discovered that 64 bit architecture was the wrong one to be using. Banging my head against a wall because the Snapdragon 625 is 64 bit so there was no logic as to why it'd be the wrong one.
Mind you, I did like the post above mine - all this phone has got going for it is performance and battery life. Well, as I couldn't really give two hoots about anything else other than performance and battery life, it looks as if I've made a good choice for my new phone...
With oreo being 64bit we should see the real full utilization of this CPU when we get the update. I just got my confirmation that my phone shipped and i cant wait to mess with it.
SynisterWolf said:
With oreo being 64bit we should see the real full utilization of this CPU when we get the update. I just got my confirmation that my phone shipped and i cant wait to mess with it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
what do you expect to happen with 64 bit? code is larger and you can access more than ~4 gigs of memory; handy on a 3gig phone.
Webern said:
what do you expect to happen with 64 bit? code is larger and you can access more than ~4 gigs of memory; handy on a 3gig phone.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Power efficiency and preformance. I also bought the 4gb ram version.
Sent from my Glade[emoji768] Plugins
SynisterWolf said:
With oreo being 64bit we should see the real full utilization of this CPU when we get the update. I just got my confirmation that my phone shipped and i cant wait to mess with it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I thought Motorola has a put a hardware limitation by limiting the size of one of the buses to 32 bit or I could have totally misread something
Webern said:
what do you expect to happen with 64 bit? code is larger and you can access more than ~4 gigs of memory; handy on a 3gig phone.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
64-bit required for Google camera HDR+ mod specifically
jtrvk said:
I thought Motorola has a put a hardware limitation by limiting the size of one of the buses to 32 bit or I could have totally misread something
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I was under the impression that google will not support a 32bit Oreo and Motorola said this will be updated to Oreo. Do you remember where you saw the limitations?
Sent from my Glade[emoji768] Plugins
SynisterWolf said:
I was under the impression that google will not support a 32bit Oreo
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That is incorrect. Android Oreo supports 32-bit devices just like always.
SynisterWolf said:
I was under the impression that google will not support a 32bit Oreo and Motorola said this will be updated to Oreo. Do you remember where you saw the limitations?
Sent from my Glade[emoji768] Plugins
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sorry mate, not able to find it now. Will update as soon as I find the link
As I thought, I had misread something. The decision to use 32 bit comes from G5 where 2 GB and 3 GB versions could not make use of 64 bit OS. So they decided to go with 32bit altogether for G5 series. Maybe that's the reason it's still 32 bit on G5s series as well? Business decision wise it makes sense :| and for that price we can't really complain
jtrvk said:
Sorry mate, not able to find it now. Will update as soon as I find the link
As I thought, I had misread something. The decision to use 32 bit comes from G5 where 2 GB and 3 GB versions could not make use of 64 bit OS. So they decided to go with 32bit altogether for G5 series. Maybe that's the reason it's still 32 bit on G5s series as well? Business decision wise it makes sense :| and for that price we can't really complain
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Good to know. Thank you.
Sent from my Glade[emoji768] Plugins
SynisterWolf said:
With oreo being 64bit we should see the real full utilization of this CPU when we get the update. I just got my confirmation that my phone shipped and i cant wait to mess with it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Do join our telegram development group. We have a couple test builds out too. Just text me @Manan44 on telegram.
After a lot of reading on 64bit vs 32bit on MSM8953 this SoC doesn't benefit to much while running a 64bit OS. This SoC was one of the earliest 64bit SoC that Qualcomm offered (for sale in Feb 2016). Comparing benchmarks (i know benchmarks arent the best way to compare devices, but i needed a repeatable source so that's what i used.) on both single core and multi core the overall efficiency was a minimal gain. like 1-3%.
It is smarter from a business stance that they would stick to 1 base for their G line and they picked 32bit. I was looking forward to having a 64bit device but it will have to wait.
Webern said:
what do you expect to happen with 64 bit? code is larger and you can access more than ~4 gigs of memory; handy on a 3gig phone.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Haha to be accurate 32Bit is more on side of saving battery and giving decent performance , 64Bit is about giving more performance and decent battery life , And last x86 is lot on performance and below avg with battery life
And I really wants 64Bit just to be able to run Google camera -.- and hope ported one to work well T~T
jtrvk said:
Can anybody please run a benchmark and confirm if the OS is 32 bit or 64 bit? I know Snapdragon 625 supports 64 bit OS. But Motorola put 32 bit OS previously on G5 plus. So just want to confirm.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
is Android OS 32bit on 64bit CPU Arm, not is 64bit OS
but is support OS
clriboli said:
is Android OS 32bit on 64bit CPU Arm, not is 64bit OS
but is support OS
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes that is the point. Even though the processor supports 64-bit OS, moto decided to put 32-bit OS (understandable business decision). I was just curious to know since Google Camera HDR+ currently works only on 64-bit OS.
Reson behind 32 bit os is as the architecture of cpu is 64 bit the 32 bit os will take 32 bit of thread space so 2 threads or two operations can run simultaneously boosting the device performance and battery whereas compared to 64 bit os will take 64 bit thread size and more ram and battery compared to 32 bit thats the reason behind 32 bit os but afterall dosent matter 4 gb ram and that snapdragon 625 processor can handle but battery can be a concern for heavy users.
Can anyone confirm? It seems that the standard G6 will come with a 32-bit version of android, which could **** up compatibility with treble roms.
Edit: went through a lot of youtube videos until I found one of antutu stating that it is the version compiled for ARMv7. So yes, it has a 32-bit OS.
Processor is 64 bits so strange that the os could be 32 bits
nicnic94 said:
Processor is 64 bits so strange that the os could be 32 bits
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well, they did the same with the G5 Plus
renatofontes said:
Well, they did the same with the G5 Plus
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes!
And before having one unit for testing, two comments:
1) In the ARM platform, the difference between 32bit and 64bit ABIs is marginal. So no big speed improvements when using the 64bit ABI. However, the RAM used is increased when using the 64bit addressing.
2) As one model of Moto G6+ is announced to have 6GB of RAM, this implies a 64bit kernel. Then, you can derivate that Motorola-Lenovo will not create two ROMs for the same device, and a 64bit only version will be available.
Regards.
Hereby a screenshot of my Moto G6 Plus. Under 'besturingssysteem' (Dutch for 'operating system') it clearly sais under 'architecture' 64 bit. Don't know about the non plus version. By the way. My phone has 4gb of ram.
Well, Geekbench Browser tells me that G6 Plus is 64-bit while normal G6 is 32-bit
damianiqe said:
Well, Geekbench Browser tells me that G6 Plus is 64-bit while normal G6 is 32-bit
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Probably,
The Moto G6 and the Moto G6+ are different smartphones. The "regular" version (G6) uses the Snapdragon 450, and the "plus" version (G6+) uses the Snapdragon 630. Perhaps motorola implements the 64bit ABI in the G6+ because a 6GB RAM version will be available. And as the G6 will only be up to 4GB RAM, then it will "optimized" to use the 32bit ABI.
Remember: 64bit ABI in ARM is not a performance increase!
Here my Moto G6 - 3/32GB
So, confirmed: Moto G6 uses 32bit ABI, and Moto G6+ uses 64bit ABI.
manos78 said:
So, confirmed: Moto G6 uses 32bit ABI, and Moto G6+ uses 64bit ABI.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes, an essential difference! Glad to have the Moto G6+...
And an another important point is that just the G6+ (snapdragon 630) is whitelisted by netflix for playing movies in high definition. That's right, or? So, G6+ is not a bad deal. Treble support is there on 32-bit and 64-bit OS version?
allrightlite said:
And an another important point is that just the G6+ (snapdragon 630) is whitelisted by netflix for playing movies in high definition. That's right, or? So, G6+ is not a bad deal. Treble support is there on 32-bit and 64-bit OS version?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes, both have treble support. There are some compiled versions of the treble roms for 32bits.
I didn't get to test it because my Moto G6 had some screen issues so I ended up returning it before unlocking the bootloader. Though I initiated the process in Motorola's page and the bootloader seems to be unlockable.
I just read for the G6 Plus, 64-bit OS...
Hello!
I'm thinking about buying Moto X4 with 4 GB of RAM, but after some research I found out, that RAM management on this phone is pretty bad. How it's looks in real life? How many apps wold I be able to keep in memory? Or maybe it was an issue only on specific Android version? Xiaomi Mi A1 probably don't have this problem, and can handle with 10+ apps running, but I don't know if I get used to that huge phone
Regards,
So you release a phone with 64bit processor in 2018
And you put 32bit ROM!!!! What's wrong with U!!!
This device is a scam for everyone who bought it expecting a great Roms support because he saw xiaomi phones getting ROMs right away . but this phone simply doesn't !
It's essentially the same as an older 'mido' too, they just put some lipstick on an old ARM board and sell it like it's new...
A 64 bits OS on a device with less than 4Go of RAM is .... totally useless .... Even if we are in 2019 ....
Keep 32 Bits in this case is the best solution : Applications needs less RAM than on a 64 bits OS.
xNiux said:
A 64 bits OS on a device with less than 4Go of RAM is .... totally useless .... Even if we are in 2019 ....
Keep 32 Bits in this case is the best solution : Applications needs less RAM than on a 64 bits OS.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This is not true. 64bit apps have better performance. There is also a 4GB RAM version of this phone. Xiaomi should be ashamed for creating a 32bit only ROM for this device.
stephendt0 said:
This is not true. 64bit apps have better performance. There is also a 4GB RAM version of this phone. Xiaomi should be ashamed for creating a 32bit only ROM for this device.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Can also confirm that comment is incorrect. Even my Raspberry Pi is faster with 64-bit OS (Debian).
The claim applications use more RAM, simply because they are 64 bit, is also incorrect.