I'm planning to buy a new phone with better custom ROM support, but confused between these two - K20 Pro and OnePlus 7 Pro. The price of both phones are at different extends.
So if the K20 Pro has better or comparable quality in the camera section against OP 7 Pro I would definitely go for K20 Pro and can save money for others. Please share your thoughts on this.
OP 7 pro has better camera, but K20 pro camera isn't not bad at all for day to day normal shots taking, if you're a camera guy then it's OP > K20
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The only real reason to get OP 7 Pro over K20 is for OIS. Makes a real difference during low light and while shooting video.
Wide-angle camera is also a little better and has manual focus. During day time, you won't get much difference cause both have same main sensor. GCam fixes most of the color inconsistencies for both phones.
If you plan on shooting at night time, I highly suggest you go for OnePlus. Even the 7T has OIS so that's a good middle ground [and has 2x zoom instead of 3x].
You shouldn't believe anything you read in the tech press about OnePlus phones--especially what you read on XDA.
OnePlus fired all of the programmers who created Oxygen after OnePlus Marshmallow and moved all coding to the Hydrogen team in China to save money.
Hydrogen was supposedly the Chinese ROM for OnePlus phones--but since OnePlus doesn't actually sell phones in China they were programming a ROM nobody used.
Since Oxygen Nougat coding on OnePlus phones has been completely inept--a fact that is widely known among developers and software engineers but not discussed on XDA.
The last OnePlus phone developers actually used was the OP3T--which was the last OnePlus phone released before the Oxygen programmers were fired.
All development for OnePlus phones is artificially sustained by OnePlus who gives free phones to developers since they would never spend their own money on OnePlus devices.
Since developers don't actually use OnePlus phones as their daily driver ROMs and kernels for OnePlus phones are compiled. These ROMs always have bugs--any build of any custom ROM for a OnePlus phone always has bugs even if it's supposedly stable.
Since OnePlus ROMs are compiled by developers who don't use the phones daily themselves multiple ROMs will often have the exact same bugs at the same time. Someone will post code to fix the bug on GitHub and if the code is approved all of the devs for the various ROMs will incorporate the same code into their own ROMs.
Usually developers of OnePlus custom ROMs don't know there are bugs in their "stable" ROMs until users report them and these bugs are sometimes serious enough to affect the basic functionality of the phone.
I personally used "stable" OnePlus custom ROMs that wouldn't boot up beyond the splash screen, where the ability to make or receive calls was broken, where Bluetooth, WiFi or GPS was broken, where opening the settings or trying to make a call would completely crash the UI--you get the idea--and this was all on ROMs that were labeled as stable.
Because the firmware on OnePlus phones is ineptly coded it's impossible to take decent pictures without using the ported Google Camera App--a $200 phone from Samsung or Xiaomi takes better pictures than a $700 OnePlus phone using the native OnePlus Camera app.
OnePlus phones are overpriced and ineptly coded--phones from Xiaomi and Honor are a much better value.
Don't read too much into the above post.
As far as hardware is concerned, there is not much difference between the 2, with the exception of OIS being added to the OP phone. Both have the same Sony sensor as the main module, but OP have slightly better secondary modules.
Software wise Xiaomi seem to be ahead of OP, in terms of computational photography. As I see it, Google and Huawei are way ahead, with Samsung third and probably Xiaomi 4th when it comes to computational photography.
So OP edge the camera hardware, but Xiaomi edge the camera software.
I also in confusion about these two phones.
Finally Op cancelled only for Headphone jack.
Better check both phones in gsmarena camera tool and check yourself
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Better check both phones in gsmarena camera tool and check yourself
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Already checked, viewed videos and read many articles. But I want to hear from real people besides reviews, that's why I'm asking.
- are the images great with the photos taken with GCam?
- does the EIS work with all three cameras? or with any camera?
- if the K20 Pro is compared to OnePlus 6T in camera how do you rate them?
niyonsv said:
Already checked, viewed videos and read many articles. But I want to hear from real people besides reviews, that's why I'm asking.
- are the images great with the photos taken with GCam?
- does the EIS work with all three cameras? or with any camera?
- if the K20 Pro is compared to OnePlus 6T in camera how do you rate them?
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- GCam makes colors match up closely. Night mode is minorly better on the OP, but for a casual user it's not incredibly noticeable. Astrophotography is just as good as on any other phone. Main cameras are the same on both phones (48MP Sony), while wide angle is minorly better on the OP (imo, not enough of a quality difference to justify price difference)
- EIS works with main camera on both phones in GCam, OP has OIS on main camera as well. Neither phone can take wide angle video in gcam. OP can't take wide angle video in stock, K20 Pro can.
- K20 Pro is very significantly better than 6T. It matches with the OP 7 Pro much better.
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- GCam makes colors match up closely. Night mode is minorly better on the OP, but for a casual user it's not incredibly noticeable. Astrophotography is just as good as on any other phone. Main cameras are the same on both phones (48MP Sony), while wide angle is minorly better on the OP (imo, not enough of a quality difference to justify price difference)
- EIS works with main camera on both phones in GCam, OP has OIS on main camera as well. Neither phone can take wide angle video in gcam. OP can't take wide angle video in stock, K20 Pro can.
- K20 Pro is very significantly better than 6T. It matches with the OP 7 Pro much better.
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Thank you so much for the details mate. But unfortunately I'll be buying a pre-owned OnePlus 7T tomorrow. A deal is almost confirmed. I found a couple of things of 7T better for me than K20 Pro. The motorized pop-up camera is one I don't like in K20 Pro, and that's why I'm not even picking 7 Pro, which I can get in the same range. Also I love the 90Hzv display.
These things are too personal and I won't say that K20 Pro is not a good one. It's a great device and I should have brought earlier once but I didn't have money that time.
Anyways thanks again for the detailed information.
EDIT: Just dropped the deal because of unreliability.
I just use GCam and it's miles better than the stock op7
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I'm curious because I've read that a lot of people don't like the camera. Why is that? I'm not sure if I should buy that phone.
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I'm curious because I've read that a lot of people don't like the camera. Why is that? I'm not sure if I should buy that phone.
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Why you make a new topic about this because its been talked about and some hate it but many love it. But why focus on words when you can judge for your self when you go to places like flickr and see how each phone takes them photo's
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I'm curious because I've read that a lot of people don't like the camera. Why is that? I'm not sure if I should buy that phone.
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The point and shoot is second to none.
The pro and night modes are both second to none..
Telephoto lens is superb
Only thing is say ia better is HDR on the pixel.
Besides that the p20 Pro stands alone. Even against late 2018 phones.
Unbeatable point & shoot camera performance. Never seen a camera fair that well on phone before.
Pixel 3 camera is very good but not as refined or versatile as the Huawei system.
If you don't know how to tame it, you will not like it. But if you can tame it and know the capabilities and limitations of the sensor, you will love it!
I'm having a blast with it, because i know how it works inside out and now i can push it to it's limits.
/ Magnus
I love it
The thing I don't like is that I often get blurry images if I point and shoot
Hello,
For "HDR" effect, yu can use "night mode" in the day time. Otherwise I love the camera... competely... Have been using this phone on daily bases for 3 months and I'm astonished.
Here are some pictures - point and shoot
https://imgur.com/a/wcyZP4q
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Unbeatable point & shoot camera performance. Never seen a camera fair that well on phone before.
Pixel 3 camera is very good but not as refined or versatile as the Huawei system.
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You got your hands on Pixel 3 already? Weird I thought they're not supposed to deliver until sometime later.
Not at all, There is a entire thread showing the amazing photos this phone can deliver, this phone camera is versatile, it has the best nightmode out there, the best zoom, and the main 40mp sensor can capture a lot of detail, Last night i manage to take a photo of a lighting (https://i.imgur.com/32TxPqG.jpg).
a flicker with P20 pro photos :
https://www.flickr.com/groups/[email protected]/
Yea, i love the P20 pro camera and night mode is freaking awesome! Only negative things i can think off is no stabilization on 4k video and the selfie cam could be a bit better but besides these 2 i think this camera is pretty much the best you can get right now for a cheap price.
for me it doesn't matter what i read or what other peoples say.
The camera of this phone is insane. Especially the night mode. Never saw something like this. Night shots looks brighter than with the human eye?
The only thing i don't like is the post processing of the camera app (oversharpening)
P20 Pro camera is neither bad, nor cheap, but both of those are highly subjective opinions. And you know what they say about opinions....
I am enjoying mine very much.
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I'm curious because I've read that a lot of people don't like the camera. Why is that? I'm not sure if I should buy that phone.
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The front/selfie camera is what most people are complaining about, esp. the color saturation. It gives a plasticy color to human skin.
The main camera is superb.
The camera is really bad on this phone.
Pictures are so over processed and lake dynamic range.
In 10mpx it's inusable and in 40mpx il't noisy. Video recording is also bad.
This phone is just horrible. My olds S8+ and Xiaomi Mi9t are much better except for zooming and low light. S9+ destroys completely the p20 pro.
I really regret my purchase.
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The camera is really bad on this phone.
Pictures are so over processed and lake dynamic range.
In 10mpx it's inusable and in 40mpx il't noisy. Video recording is also bad.
This phone is just horrible. My olds S8+ and Xiaomi Mi9t are much better except for zooming and low light. S9+ destroys completely the p20 pro.
I really regret my purchase.
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I cannot second that. The only thing i can complain about is video recording.
Main shooter is more than capable to take great pics. It's incomparably better than op 7t.
The camera quality on this phone is really good. Anyone who says it's crap is objectively wrong.
The camera quality in the p20 pro still today better than many flagship, more than one year later, I compare the camera with the recents iPhone 11 pro max, pixel 4, mate 30 pro, samsung note 10, and it's nothing to envy of them, the kirin 970 is slower in games, but is smooth and very fast still
what is the best siting of camera ? in 10 m pixel or 40m pixel ?
Depend on the situation, with good daylight 40, 10 if you don't want big pictures files, for zoom, night and difficult light conditions better 10, normally I use 10, because Huawei optimized the software and the cams to work together in this setup, working main, telephoto and monochrome camera sensor together for improvement results
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what is the best siting of camera ? in 10 m pixel or 40m pixel ?
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Hi guys,
I need some recommendations from you. I am coming from a chaing of Samsung devices. (S3, S7 Edge, my latest device was a Note 8, which I sadly lost on the weekend), so now I need something new...
Simple question, after your experiences with the P20 Pro, would you still recommend it?
My most important priorities for a mobile are:
1.) Camera!
2.) Battery / runtime
3.) Updates
in that order.
I don't care about rooting & flashing any more tbh, these times are behind me
I am also not a big mobile gamer.
Other contenders I think about next to the P20 Pro are currently:
- S9+
- Oneplus 6T
- ?
Would you still go for the P20 pro? Or select something different?
Thanks!
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Sorry, I could not add link with other old account (never posted !)
I'll then try to delete the other post.
Here is what I wrote :
Got my P20 pro 2 weeks ago.
I come from Sony (Z, Z2, XZ,...) and decided to change after lots of frustration (Sony SHOULD be better. Why do others do better with their own hardware ?!)
I chose the P20 pro for its camera, after reading lots of 'reviews'...
And I'm very disapointed... IA is bull****, I don't use it.
Zoom has nothing to do with 'optical' : you get better results cropping a 40 Mo 'pro' mode picture.
But the worst thing is distortion, that's just incredible...
I'll come back with pictures, I'm at work now !
Just my 2 cents : try to find someone that can make you try the P20 pro camera. Maybe you'll like it (many do), many you won't.
now that I know, I would not buy without testing myself.
+ v9 update has lots of important bugs (see posts in this forum) , I went back to 8.1.
(I see you don't care about UB, root,... but the Huawei policy should have left me far from them... Sadly, I read this forum 6 months ago, before bying recently, and then discovered they don't give UB code any more !)
This is a review I found a bit too late :
https://pocketnow.com/huawei-p20-pro-photographers-guide
You may find this interesting : https://forum.xda-developers.com/huawei-p20-pro/help/shooting-raw-severe-vignetting-t3776240/page3
I did test cornerfix with the P20 pro profile : it's far better.
But I already have a Canon 7D as DSLR and enough raw files to edit !
I'm coming from s7edge as well.
Would not pick the p20 Pro the second time.
The photos look good, the night mode is really good but similar results I could get with s7e .
Video quality is horrid (s7e modded to 100mbps bitrate)
Now, I would go for op6 as temporary phone and later down the year switch it to something more modern.
I had the op 6t and the camera was absolute trash. Couldn't shoot anything with the slightest movement and super soft when shooting people. Maybe things have gotten better since launch. I loved the software but had to return due to the camera.
Camera on the p20 pro is good, but it's not life changing. I like the s8 and s9 cameras. They do some things better, some worse.
Updates depend on the region you are located. I have the Chinese version and with hicare in China region I get updates quickly. Battery life is good, I get a full day and I'm a pretty heavy user. No way I get 2 days on this tho like others say.
Thanks you guys so far!
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Makes me a little uncomfortable regarding the P20 and disqualifies the OPO6T so far
So to be clear what I personally expect from a camera
- I want an auto-mode click and shoot cam which delivers great results
- with a fast shutter speed! (moving objects in not optimal lighting conditions shouldn't be blurred because of auto-low shutter speeds)
- I don't care much about pro-modes, RAW & optical zooms & selfies...
In that regard I think I would normally go with the Pixel 3, but my problem is that it's not officially sold in my country and it's very expensive.
So seems like S9+ vs P20 Pro now.
Judging from my Note 8, which had troubles making pics of moving stuff indoors or at poorer light, I'd say that the S9 will suffer the same behaviour.
How does the P20 Pro do here?
And is the video quality of the P20 really that bad??
I can't think of any other good camera phones which play in the same league as both of them, which are reasonably priced ( bye bye Pixel :crying: )
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Martin213 said:
Hi guys. I need an advise on wich phone to choose Mi 9T pro or Redmi note 8 pro. I'm not a heavy gamer. For me most important is camera,battery and community support (yes i know about 8 Pro Helio soc). Watched many videos in YouTube and still can't decide which device to choose. Seems both have a good camera's and decent battery life. Help me to choose ?
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My biggest influences was that I didn't want a notch or punch hole and wanted to ensure a decent level of custom ROM support.
It sounds like MTK are looking to be a bit more dev friendly, but personally I would want to see that happen first before considering an MTK device.
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Martin213 said:
What about camera between these two? I prefer better camera over notch/punch hole (i don't like those too) but community support Is most important for a long term usage...
Maybe i have to wait a bit longer and see what will happen with 8 Pro and development.
Thx
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The jury is out, with regards the camera. DXOmark didn't think it was anything special. There is a limit to how many pixels you can cram in such a tiny space and I reckon the Samsung ISOCELL chip had pushed things too far. It will be relying, too much, on post processing to remove the noise. Keeping around the 48MP range of the Sony and of their earlier ISOCELL sensor (so 12MP effective for most shots), with the larger sensor size could have given them a sweet spot.
I bought redmi note 10 pro max somedays ago. Normal shots of this phone is fine. But when I click photos of human face it is bit darker than normal. My other phones picture is more natural and real. But this one is bit darker and it can be really annoying sometimes. Attached some picture sample here. 1st picture is from Note 10 pro max and 2nd one is from Redmi 4x I am on miui 12.5.2 by the way. Is this a software or hardware issue I am confused. Please help!
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I bought redmi note 10 pro max somedays ago. Normal shots of this phone is fine. But when I click photos of human face it is bit darker than normal. My other phones picture is more natural and real. But this one is bit darker and it can be really annoying sometimes. Attached some picture sample here. 1st picture is from Note 10 pro max and 2nd one is from Redmi 4x I am on miui 12.5.2 by the way. Is this a software or hardware issue I am confused. Please help!
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Forget if it's darker or brighter. Actual thing you have to look for is which one has natural colors (without enhancing colors artificially) because some phones/OEMs put artificial algorithms to make the picture look more brighter and put excessive brightness than what it actually has naturally.
Some people like natural colors and some like enhanced (artificial) colors/photos.
Cheers!
i can confirm the same... human face photos are too much saturated+yellowish+darker (with both stock miui and ANX )... compared with my redmi note 5 pro+mi 10i. (rn5 pro is pretty much natural WOW) .. and when adding 2x zoom to rear cam photos, it takes a bit much annoying time to process and clearly display the photo..
it's software. check Gcam then compare
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it's software. check Gcam then compare
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Used 7.4 gcam. Same result.
eastad10 said:
I bought redmi note 10 pro max somedays ago. Normal shots of this phone is fine. But when I click photos of human face it is bit darker than normal. My other phones picture is more natural and real. But this one is bit darker and it can be really annoying sometimes. Attached some picture sample here. 1st picture is from Note 10 pro max and 2nd one is from Redmi 4x I am on miui 12.5.2 by the way. Is this a software or hardware issue I am confused. Please help!
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I have both redmi note 10 pro and Pro max. In both phones, human faces look darker in pics as well as 1080p videos (720p vids are bit grainy and just same as other phones). The problem persists in all conditions, let it be well lit indoor or outdoor, for group photos etc. Such problems were not there in my other redmi/realme/honor phones. Indoor Pics are not all presentable whatever the setting may be. And if you zoom in to human face, they kind of messy. Grainy would have been fine. Not sure if it can be improved.
This is because different mobile phones have different shooting configurations. This problem can be solved by adjusting some functions, etc.
Facing the same situation from day one of the use of Redmi note 10 pro max.
All pictures where human is involved are darker than actual skin color tone.
Not sure how to fix that. I use some filters provided by redmi to balance out the color tone, but that is something that you don't wanna do every time you open the camera.
Any solution?
(GCAM also provided the same results)
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Facing the same situation from day one of the use of Redmi note 10 pro max.
All pictures where human is involved are darker than actual skin color tone.
Not sure how to fix that. I use some filters provided by redmi to balance out the color tone, but that is something that you don't wanna do every time you open the camera.
Any solution?
(GCAM also provided the same results)
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use MTSLsnapv5 with neon3 xml
Redmi Note 10 Pro max owned by me too has the same problem. I had checked many note 10 pro max camera review videos and for them it seems normal as any typical phone camera - smoothens a little, improve brightness, overall the picture gets pleasant and good. However, just on my Redmi note10 Pro max, any human skin gets a darker tone- FYI it is not even the natural color, but darker.
Initially thought it is a software issue and might get resolved with updates. Though I update my phone as soon as updates gets available, so far, after an year and numerous updates, the issue is still there. I tried all settings that they provide for camera and tried other camera apps etc- but results were same.
I suspect it could be a hardware issue due to bad quality control- I'm an electronics engineer and I do encounter one off problems for some items in mass production.
From the conversation above, I'm understanding that there are a few others who have same experience as me with Redmi Note 10 pro max.
Yes this is problem even new 2022 products at least on box all kind of software updates means all reviews on YouTube are fake and paid they just cheat spoiled 22000 on promax 8/128 just because of camera reviews note 9 was far better than this
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Yes this is problem even new 2022 products at least on box all kind of software updates means all reviews on YouTube are fake and paid they just cheat spoiled 22000 on promax 8/128 just because of camera reviews note 9 was far better than this
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Check gcam thread for Shamim latest and @Kairu135 or my configs and try with these again
eastad10 said:
I bought redmi note 10 pro max somedays ago. Normal shots of this phone is fine. But when I click photos of human face it is bit darker than normal. My other phones picture is more natural and real. But this one is bit darker and it can be really annoying sometimes. Attached some picture sample here. 1st picture is from Note 10 pro max and 2nd one is from Redmi 4x I am on miui 12.5.2 by the way. Is this a software or hardware issue I am confused. Please help!
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Did you find solution to this problem. Mobile is almost useless because above issue. I had purchased mobile mainly for its Camera. Please help.
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Forget if it's darker or brighter. Actual thing you have to look for is which one has natural colors (without enhancing colors artificially) because some phones/OEMs put artificial algorithms to make the picture look more brighter and put excessive brightness than what it actually has naturally.
Some people like natural colors and some like enhanced (artificial) colors/photos.
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Very bad camera quality. Human face Darke while taking photos. I wasted my 20000
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Did you find solution to this problem. Mobile is almost useless because above issue. I had purchased mobile mainly for its Camera. Please help.
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Very bad camera quality. It darken human face while taking simple photos. Only human photo are darken. Other phone redmi note 9 pro and note 7 note 8 are good. I purchased this phone only for camera. But I wasted my 21000. I m very sad by purchasing this phone. Why it darken human face only. Every setting failed. Also photo crash after zooming. Very bad quality. What is fun of 108 mp camera. Redmi decieving it's customers. In future I will never buy Xiaomi phones.
OPPO posted the first preview images of the Find X5 series on their socials. What is your first impression?
My first impressions were, the new camera design and the collaboration with one of the biggest brands, hassleblad, then the ceramic back glass, it's incredible
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MariSilicon X is OPPO's self-developed imaging NPU + there's a cooperation with Hasselblad.. core feature will be photography I guess, but Hasselblad has its background in lenses. They showed this moving lenses at the INNO day, that's why I think photography will be the main thing, not videography.
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The only con is the loss of the Micro lens from the X3 Pro, which was, in my opinion, one of its coolest features. I'm also very curious about the Mediated 9000 performances and definitely the MariSiliconX processing.
Concerning the design, nothing very exciting so far, but the white version is the one that's catching my eyes.
I'm really waiting to see how its competing against the OnePlus 9 Pro, that has quite great camera lenses and picture processing.
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My first impressions were, the new camera design and the collaboration with one of the biggest brands, hassleblad, then the ceramic back glass, it's incredible
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Same for me, the partnership is what first blew my mind. I can't find comparison photos yet though.
Ceramic back in white is *chef's kiss*
thank you for sharing this information.
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I'm really waiting to see how its competing against the OnePlus 9 Pro, that has quite great camera lenses and picture processing.
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Surely it's main "competitor" will be the OnePlus 10 Pro?
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Surely it's main "competitor" will be the OnePlus 10 Pro?
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I wouldn't say that you can compete against yourself, but yes, their technical sheets are so alike that the only major differences are the design itself and the OS.
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Surely it's main "competitor" will be the OnePlus 10 Pro?
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Depending on the specs you base the "competition" on. I think the only thing they have that is similar is their OS - both based on Android 12. Visually, Find X5 Pro is better, though it is subjective.
What were you comparing the devices on?
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I wouldn't say that you can compete against yourself, but yes, their technical sheets are so alike that the only major differences are the design itself and the OS.
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Don't forget the MariSilicon X NPU.
Unimpressed, to be honest. Bought the Find X5 and the display and camera are both less vibrant than my Fund X2 Neo. It also has terrible viewing angles. The screen has a greenish hue when angled slightoy. Edge lighting doesn’t work. As for the HDR on video playback, it’s barely noticeable. Really disappointed with it, to get honest.