For you who use AccuBattery app to monitor your battery usage, can you share yours?
Because mine is showing my battery health is only 47%. I think it's maybe, just maybe, the app only read half of the battery capacity. Since this phone is actually have two batteries installed in a single pack of battery.
With this phone I got around 6 hours of screen on time with 70% battery usage (from 90 - 20%).
It's normal SOT for this phone right?
I attached my SS from the app. I use version 1.2.7-2 build 45.
Yeah yours are pretty normal. I have a similar results.
Maybe the 50 watt charging is degrading the battery at a rapid pace,
Maybe this app is not very accurate.
I've seen others complaining about this app with other phones but hopefully here it's just estimating one of the two batteries
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Yeah yours are pretty normal. I have a similar results.
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Thanks for sharing. We have the same battery performance.
manus31 said:
Maybe the 50 watt charging is degrading the battery at a rapid pace,
Maybe this app is not very accurate.
I've seen others complaining about this app with other phones but hopefully here it's just estimating one of the two batteries
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Pretty sure it's not because the rapid charging, if so the phone is a disaster.
The app is most possible reason.
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Thanks for sharing. We have the same battery performance.
Pretty sure it's not because the rapid charging, if so the phone is a disaster.
The app is most possible reason.
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Here's hoping,I'm getting mine next week and I'm already very skeptical of the vooc charging,I've seen nothing from Realme or Oppo in regards to it's testing or how it affects the degradation of battery.Because of this and I want the battery to last a few years I will be charging with a 18w charger,using the vooc charger occasionally
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Here's hoping,I'm getting mine next week and I'm already very skeptical of the vooc charging,I've seen nothing from Realme or Oppo in regards to it's testing or how it affects the degradation of battery.Because of this and I want the battery to last a few years I will be charging with a 18w charger,using the vooc charger occasionally
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At first I also skeptical about the Super VOOC charging, I think it will damage battery faster, especially because of heat while charging.
And then, turns out to be more make sense because it use dual battery. And with my experience using this phone, there's no heat problem while charging. Not from the hand feel and not from the system temparature reading.
Since the charging is super fast, I usually put the phone at idle for about 5 minutes to cool down the phone before charging and put on airplane mode while charging to prevent over hear and keep the battery as cool as possible. After several try different circumstances of charging condition, I think Super VOOC is doing just fine.
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At first I also skeptical about the Super VOOC charging, I think it will damage battery faster, especially because of heat while charging.
And then, turns out to be more make sense because it use dual battery. And with my experience using this phone, there's no heat problem while charging. Not from the hand feel and not from the system temparature reading.
Since the charging is super fast, I usually put the phone at idle for about 5 minutes to cool down the phone before charging and put on airplane mode while charging to prevent over hear and keep the battery as cool as possible. After several try different circumstances of charging condition, I think Super VOOC is doing just fine.
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I'm sure it's safe and all very good but I still think it will be too difficult to maintain the battery and make it last a few years. I like to keep the battery between around 40 to 85 and it's not recommend to fully charge modern phone batteries aswell as not fully draining them,there is only so many cycles for the batteries lifetime,around 500 or so,
here we have two batteries but still that does not matter,
I will be using in and around 18w charger but might try my OnePlus charger to see if that is any quicker to find a happy medium
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I'm sure it's safe and all very good but I still think it will be too difficult to maintain the battery and make it last a few years. I like to keep the battery between around 40 to 85 and it's not recommend to fully charge modern phone batteries aswell as not fully draining them,there is only so many cycles for the batteries lifetime,around 500 or so,
here we have two batteries but still that does not matter,
I will be using in and around 18w charger but might try my OnePlus charger to see if that is any quicker to find a happy medium
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OnePlus charger will give you VOOC charging. I think that will suit you.
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OnePlus charger will give you VOOC charging. I think that will suit you.
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Yes should give around 27 to 30 watt charge,that would be perfect.Wil test it and see,getting phone tomorrow according to my national post
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Yes should give around 27 to 30 watt charge,that would be perfect.Wil test it and see,getting phone tomorrow according to my national post
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Got phone today,the 50 watt charge is lightning fast,
My OnePlus 6T charger is also lightning,think it's about 27w charger. My 6T battery must have a problem as the charging has slowed over time on that. I'm only noticing again how fast the dash charger is on the X2 pro
Have been using Accubattery for few days now and have similar stats to you guys,48% battery health and estimated capacity of 1913mAh,
Maybe Accubattery can improve the software for these type of phones which have two separate batteries
have the same result. maybe an update with the app can result in a more accurate reading.
Guys it's normal, this phone has a battery made of 2 1950mAh cells that charge in parallel. This means that Accubattery (which reads the stats based on voltage and current) can only read a single cell charge.
I also read some strange comments here, so let's dismantle a myth: SuperVOOC WON'T damage your battery much more than normal fast charging. Having 50W on a single battery would be absurd, instead this power is distributed between the two cells, resulting in a charge of 5V and 5A per cell (pretty standard, 5V is super safe because it's the same as the cell voltage, and current is similar to other manufacturer quick charge currents). Having 5V input is also better for heat, because it doesn't need conversion (see Qualcomm Quickcharge which can input 5/9/12/15V).
Of course heat is the worst enemy of a battery life, but try not to use it while charging for those 25/30mins needed for a full charge and you'll be good to go.
I hope this clarifies things for people scared of using the boxed charger.
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Guys it's normal, this phone has a battery made of 2 1950mAh cells that charge in parallel. This means that Accubattery (which reads the stats based on voltage and current) can only read a single cell charge.
I also read some strange comments here, so let's dismantle a myth: SuperVOOC WON'T damage your battery much more than normal fast charging. Having 50W on a single battery would be absurd, instead this power is distributed between the two cells, resulting in a charge of 5V and 5A per cell (pretty standard, 5V is super safe because it's the same as the cell voltage, and current is similar to other manufacturer quick charge currents). Having 5V input is also better for heat, because it doesn't need conversion (see Qualcomm Quickcharge which can input 5/9/12/15V).
Of course heat is the worst enemy of a battery life, but try not to use it while charging for those 25/30mins needed for a full charge and you'll be good to go.
I hope this clarifies things for people scared of using the boxed charger.
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I was a bit apprehensive about the super vooc at the start but I've only ever used it since I got the phone. I will say it's so much more useful for my use a d I can literally charge it twice a day for 10 to 15 minutes each time.Phone does heat up quite a bit though,like it's warm every time I take it off the charge.
I'm just hoping it will be as quick this time next year and the battery holds out
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Guys it's normal, this phone has a battery made of 2 1950mAh cells that charge in parallel. This means that Accubattery (which reads the stats based on voltage and current) can only read a single cell charge.
I also read some strange comments here, so let's dismantle a myth: SuperVOOC WON'T damage your battery much more than normal fast charging. *1 Having 50W on a single battery would be absurd, instead this power is distributed between the two cells, resulting in a charge of 5V and 5A per cell (pretty standard,*2 5V is super safe because it's the same as the cell voltage, and current is similar to other manufacturer quick charge currents). Having 5V input is also better for heat, because it doesn't need conversion (see Qualcomm Quickcharge which can input 5/9/12/15V).
Of course *3 heat is the worst enemy of a battery life, but try not to use it while charging for those 25/30mins needed for a full charge and you'll be good to go.
I hope this clarifies things for people scared of using the boxed charger.
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*1 - could you elaborate on this here a tad bit more? What is the advantage of pumping power into two cells with total capacity of 4A/h put next to running a single cell with the same amount of power, with the cell being 4A/h too?
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This is simply not true. Mass production liPo cells are manufactured with 3.7V nominal voltage, 3V min. voltage and 4.2V max. voltage. When discharging a li-po cell your under-load voltage wouldn't zap anywhere outside the range of 3 - 4.2 volts at any point. If it did you would be saying ciao to that cell in the upcoming month.
According to what Ive learned past the last 12years of dealing with LiPos in my radio controlled aircrafts and, cell phones, smartphones, battery banks and so on and so on.. I am yet to see a mass production lithium cell whose "cell voltage" is 5 volts..? Sooo.. where do you get that from?
Do you have the kind of information that I am struggling to find on the inet right now? Such as who is the outsourced manufacturer of cells for realme? What is the grouping method of the two cells in our x2pro when charging - parallel or series?
The answer on the later two questions will paint it all as to what can we expect from the battery in our phones for the forseeable future.
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Heat is the result of charging and discharging the cell at higher than usually considered healthy charging and discharging rates. As far as Im concerned I don't think that realme are in possession of any advanced battery tech, and would be much more oriented towards trustworthy tested day in-day out type of chemistry in their batteries. Specially at the price point of my x2pro.
Taking into consideration that I can only conclude that realme are driving these cells at their maximum tolerance of charging current. I would be pretty entertained if the juice in this device is satisfactory past the 2 year mark. And shocked at the same time.
This has been spoke about before by oppo themselves and is available on the internet, it's 2x batteries at 2000mah each... The batteries are charged at the same time but independently and each battery is monitored at all times for heat etc... Total voltage is split between both to not apply to much pressure and as the batteries are 2000mah each it's obviously Parallel as you get total 4000mah.
Realme x2 pro has two batteries
Hey guys hope you are aware that realme x2 pro has 2 batteries of approximately 2000mah each and not one single 4000mah battery. That is what gives it the charging speed and the battery health is not affected because of the ingenious way VOOC works. You can watch the video on youtube. AccuBattery is not designed for phones with two batteries. Maybe we can expect compatibility for realme x2 pro in a future update.
Ab97 said:
Hey guys hope you are aware that realme x2 pro has 2 batteries of approximately 2000mah each and not one single 4000mah battery. That is what gives it the charging speed and the battery health is not affected because of the ingenious way VOOC works. You can watch the video on youtube. AccuBattery is not designed for phones with two batteries. Maybe we can expect compatibility for realme x2 pro in a future update.
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Just declare it as 2000 mAh and you're good.
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Hi all!
I was browsing through Samsung Galaxy S's Android Development Section when I saw this:
"11. Do NOT overcharge
--Why, when, where: Almost all new batteries have an overcharging protection. This means that the protection that is built into the battery will not let it charge to 100%. This is a feature, not a bug! This will help prolong your battery life while also keeping it safe from overheating/explosion/etc. Do not try to trick it and unplug and plug again until you see 100%, just get used to the fact that you can't have 100% battery anymore and live with it, or you risk destroying your battery."
posted by user "shantzu"
here:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=939752
I did "calibrate" my battery many times lately by unplugging it when charging and the replugging it. But I sure know I wont do it anymore! It's your choice whether or not you wanna do it!
I just wanted you to know this! Hope I've been helpful!
Cool story bro
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Cool story bro
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+1, blablabla (sorry msg needed to be +10 characters, but it's more now and more and more and more )
eXtink said:
+1, blablabla (sorry msg needed to be +10 characters, but it's more now and more and more and more )
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I didnt say this. I just quoted and I said that I wont charge my phone to 100% with the plug-unplug way. So if you take my advise do so, if you don't want to take it please stop posting ****!
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I didnt say this. I just quoted and I said that I wont charge my phone to 100% with the plug-unplug way. So if you take my advise do so, if you don't want to take it please stop posting ****!
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I dont think he was posting ****. He just wanted to post "+1" (as in "me too"), but needed to respect the minimum character limit for a post.
Badly worded, but it doesnt look like he was making fun of you or anything.
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I love this thread already
Isn't calibrating the battery all about fixing an Android bug?
Anyway, this reminds me, the Milestone overstates the full charge mV and underestimates the low battery mV.
So, if Battery Monitor Widget reports that I have 4230mV when it's fully charge and plugged in... it's really only 4170mV.
When it's reporting empty at 3200mV, it's really at 3300mV.
http://www.android-hilfe.de/root-ha...ku-infos-ladekurven-leistungsverbraucher.html
Externally measured or indication of the internal voltage measurement
3.30 volts / 3.20 volts
4.12 volts / 4.18 volts
That is, the stone over-estimated the voltage at the battery is full by ~ 60 mV and underestimated the power of up to 100 mV with an empty battery. The intent is well-battery protection (which is good too). It is pretended that 3.0 and 4.2 volts to discharge until it is loaded. In reality, there are more 3.1 volts and 4.15 volts (which by the way of battery manufacturers also better unanimous opinion!).
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Apparently, we are still protected even if we do calibrate the battery.
I'm pretty sure that Payce at android-hilfe actually took that battery out of his phone so I'll go with that.
Thanks for sharing
Good article
Over charging doesn't effect Lithium Ion batterys;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery
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Over charging doesn't effect Lithium Ion batterys;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery
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Gee thank you! I just wanted to start correcting this non-sense. The "overcharging" affects Lithium-Polymer batteries, not Lithium-Ion, so calibrating battery is HARMLESS!!!!
If you have a Samsung Galaxy S then you have this possibility.
I think we can close this thread.
Actually you can overcharge (any) battery, charging it to the higher voltages for higher capacity when used daily (as cell phones).
However it lowers total lifetime of the battery, but you can get more battery time.
But this isn't the cell phones' thing. IMHO charging circuit + circuits in battery won't allow you to do this. So you can't really overcharge.
This "calibrating" is even suggested by notebook manufacturers - you have to do full discharge -> full charge to set the voltage "limits" for 0% and 100%, so the battery indicator can estimate the remaining battery % precisely.
Just few quotations from http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries to support my opinions:
"In terms of optimal longevity, a charge voltage limit of 3.92V/cell works best but the capacity would be low."
"Should I disconnect my laptop from the power grid when not in use? Under normal circumstances this should not be necessary because once the lithium-ion battery is full, a correctly functioning charger will discontinue the charge and will only engage when the battery voltage drops to a low level."
"Partial discharge on Li-ion is fine; there is no memory and the battery does not need periodic full discharge cycles other than to calibrate the fuel gauge on a smart battery."
The milestone has a Lithium-ion polymer battery which looks like they do suffer from over charging.
"It is important to note that trickle charging is not acceptable for lithium batteries; Li-ion chemistry cannot accept an overcharge without causing damage to the cell, possibly plating out lithium metal and becoming hazardous.[5] Most manufacturers claim a maximum and minimum voltage of 4.23 and 3.0 volts per cell. Taking any cell outside these limits can reduce the cell's capacity and ability to deliver full rated current.
Most dedicated lithium polymer chargers use a charge timer for safety; this cuts the charge after a predefined time (typically 90 minutes)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_polymer_battery
Someone will have to dig deeper into the OEM charger to see if it has some sort of cut off.
the thing with timer seems pretty weird to me. Try charging your battery with very little current - why should you cut it off after 90 minutes? Makes no sense to me, but I'm not an engineer so there may be a fact I overlook.
At the same time with noting overcharge will damage battery cell you should point out that there is no way to overcharge the battery without charging the battery CELLS itselves (not whole battery pack with its circuitry) with your custom charger without monitoring voltage/current.
However - yes, you're right, battery cells can be damaged.
I assume it would be the charging unit itself (i.e. the plug) which as the 90min cut off.
Charging via a USB takes ages (supplied at 5V) and without the "plug" it prob wouldn't have a cut off so the chances of over charging would be higher but would require leaving it in for longer.
I'm not sure, I'm only a first year electriton and haven't touched on batterys.
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Charging via a USB takes ages (supplied at 5V)
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The "plug" is just 230V~ -> 5V- transformer so the only difference is current, supplied voltage is the same. Btw I leave my phone in cradle for extended periods of time (24h+) and nothing bad happened. When it's at 100% it stops charging so I don't expect anything to happen.
Same with notebooks - it charges to 100% and stops. E.g. HP does stop charging until battery level drops to 90% so it won't "trickle charge" or do many 99%->100% cycles. Dunno how does the phone charging work, because it says 100% all the time. This can be possibly a bad thing
Hi guys, I just bought the TurboPower charger from motorola since my (refurbished) N6 came with only a usb cable. I am very happy with the blazing fast charge speeds but was wondering if continuing to charge the phone after it reaches 100% battery might have any adverse effect on the battery's health or lifespan? A quick google search revealed little consensus so I'm hoping for an expert to chime in on here.
I tend to charge my phone overnight while I sleep, so with the new charger this means several hours of charging at 100% battery, and naturally the phone gets reasonably warm when undergoing such rapid charging, so I'd like to make sure I'm not causing long-term damage! (especially given that I'm not going anywhere near the Huawei N6 if it really has that hideous raised black bar on the back for the camera :/ )
If indeed this is bad for the battery - would using my (slower charging) old Nexus 4 charger overnight be any better? Or is it a bad idea to mix chargers from different phones? Generally this is a question I've always wondered about actually so it'd be good to finally find out.
Here are the charger's output specs from the motorola page in case that's relevant:
Output
Standard: 5V / 1.67A (8W)
TurboPower: 9V / 1.67A (15W)
TurboPower: 12V / 1.2A (15W)
No. use the normal charger for overnight and turbo charger on the go. or outside.
Cloud White Nexus 6!
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No. use the normal charger for overnight and turbo charger on the go. or outside.
Cloud White Nexus 6
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"No" as in "no it won't harm my battery to charge past 100%"? If so then why bother with the old charger at all? Sorry if I've misunderstood your answer.
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"No" as in "no it won't harm my battery to charge past 100%"? If so then why bother with the old charger at all? Sorry if I've misunderstood your answer.
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I ment it as yes it degrades battery life overnight to turbo charge.
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If indeed this is bad for the battery
Output
Standard: 5V / 1.67A (8W)
TurboPower: 9V / 1.67A (15W)
TurboPower: 12V / 1.2A (15W)
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The turbo is not always on. The M-charger switches to standard when the battery is > 78% charged. So at night your 6 battery is not permanently charged with turbo
The N6-bat has a high capacity of 3400mA/h and suitable for turbocharging.
I use the M-charger with a cheap qi-pad for wireless charging at night. When connected to the Qi-pad the M-charger acts like a standard charger.
When needed I connect the M-charger directly to the phone.
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"No" as in "no it won't harm my battery to charge past 100%"? If so then why bother with the old charger at all? Sorry if I've misunderstood your answer.
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the previous answers are both correct within a certain context.
all batteries have degradation from charging, although constantly subjecting it to the excessive heat of turbo charging will speed this up.
maybe it will take a year or 18mos before you realize the charge isnt lasting as long as it used to, maybe less. its a guess really.
the point is, dont subject it to turbo charging unless you really need that option. it is the best way to maximize the life span of your battery.
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the previous answers are both correct within a certain context.
all batteries have degradation from charging, although constantly subjecting it to the excessive heat of turbo charging will speed this up.
maybe it will take a year or 18mos before you realize the charge isnt lasting as long as it used to, maybe less. its a guess really.
the point is, dont subject it to turbo charging unless you really need that option. it is the best way to maximize the life span of your battery.
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Thanks for the clear response do you happen to know if there is any adverse effect from using a slower charger designed for a smaller battery (like the Nexus 4 charger I am currently using)? I wouldn't have thought so but you never know...
bweN diorD said:
the previous answers are both correct within a certain context.
all batteries have degradation from charging, although constantly subjecting it to the excessive heat of turbo charging will speed this up.
maybe it will take a year or 18mos before you realize the charge isnt lasting as long as it used to, maybe less. its a guess really.
the point is, dont subject it to turbo charging unless you really need that option. it is the best way to maximize the life span of your battery.
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While I agree that all electronic components lifespan is reduced by excessive heat, I don't think that answers the question fully.
Regardless of the charging method employed (standard or turbo) you will not reduce battery lifespan by remaining connected to the charger at 100% capacity.
The method you use to charge a depleted battery to the specified value governed by the phone which disables turbo charge, the increased heat "may" reduce its lifespan.
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Thanks for the clear response do you happen to know if there is any adverse effect from using a slower charger designed for a smaller battery (like the Nexus 4 charger I am currently using)? I wouldn't have thought so but you never know...
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no it wont. it may just take longer if it cant meet the phones standard charging needs. it would actually be worse for the charger than the battery if it couldnt.
i generally charge mine from an outlet strip with usb charging built in i got off amazon.
a common misconception about chargers is bigger is better. thats generally not the case.
for instance, a charger can state an output of 3a. all that means is the charger "can" output 3a, not that it pushes 3a to the device, because thats simply not how it works.
the device will draw what it needs of that 3a capability. it may be anywhere from 0 to 3a. there is charging circuitry in all devices that controls how much charging power the battery is allowed to have. if you give it less than what it wants, the battery will just charge slower.
hope that helps.
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While I agree that all electronic components lifespan is reduced by excessive heat, I don't think that answers the question fully.
Regardless of the charging method employed (standard or turbo) you will not reduce battery lifespan by remaining connected to the charger at 100% capacity.
The method you use to charge a depleted battery to the specified value governed by the phone which disables turbo charge, the increased heat "may" reduce its lifespan.
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actually, reaming connected to any charger while at 100% is not recommended.
the last 5% or so is the worst state for the battery, as is basically tries to cram the last bits of juice in there. when you stay connected, its repeatedly topping off, which is repeating the added stress of getting the last bits of juice in.
im sure i didnt do the best job of explaining that. if you have some free time google "battery university". there is some very good info on there about what im saying, and about li batteries in general.
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actually, reaming connected to any charger while at 100% is not recommended.
the last 5% or so is the worst state for the battery, as is basically tries to cram the last bits of juice in there. when you stay connected, its repeatedly topping off, which is repeating the added stress of getting the last bits of juice in.
im sure i didnt do the best job of explaining that. if you have some free time google "battery university". there is some very good info on there about what im saying, and about li batteries in general.
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Trickle charging is not desirable, topping off isn't bad if the charging method doesn't top off to the threshold voltage (Eg. 4.3V), so I guess without more information on a specific device employing a lithium-Ion battery It's hard to say for sure if remaining connected to the charger causes adverse affects.
If you want to get down to the few days or weeks you'll save on the lifespan of your battery you might as well turn it off during each charging cycle to avoid parasitc load, as this can degrade lifespan more than topping off.
I guess it comes down to personal preference overall. Do you want/need the convenience of leaving your device always on (minus occasional reboot) and you prefer starting off with a full capacity battery each day? Or do you prefer your battery will enjoy it's entire intended lifespan? Me personally I choose the former since I don't like to miss calls or notifications while charging and I don't keep a smartphone much longer than a year anyways.
In this thread I read several good suggestions about charging.
But don't forget discharging. Charging, turbocharging and also discharging will shorten the battery life.
Actually, when laptops first came out, if you overcharged them, the battery would explode! :laugh: Luckily engineers designed a way that Lithium Ion batteries dont do this anymore!
charging past 100% will not damage your battery. ive been doing it for the past 10 years. at one point, it would damage the battery, very sightly, over long periods of time. but in todays times, it won't damage it. first off, 100% isnt when it stops charging. it stops charging once it reaches a certain voltage, which is ysually after you reach 100%. yes, even though its plugged in, it will stop charging. and then will charge again, after some voltage leaves it. it will not take in an extra charge. once its done charging, its done, and will not charge more.
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The turbo is not always on. The M-charger switches to standard when the battery is > 78% charged. So at night your 6 battery is not permanently charged with turbo
The N6-bat has a high capacity of 3400mA/h and suitable for turbocharging.
I use the M-charger with a cheap qi-pad for wireless charging at night. When connected to the Qi-pad the M-charger acts like a standard charger.
When needed I connect the M-charger directly to the phone.
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+1 I do the same with my M-charge, my qi charge turns off when the phone reaches 100. It doesn't drain that much when it is done charging usually it's still at 100. Before I got root and greenify, it would drain to a max of 4% by the time I woke up.
Hi everyone, I'm new here with my Note 9 coming from a Galaxy S5. I have 2 questions.
I want to know firstly what (wired) charging do the majority of Galaxy Note 9 owners employ? Standard or fast charging? I am very weary of fast charging because of increased battery degradation.
My second question is this. I am assuming that fast charging increases battery degradation because of increased heat from the higher voltages. And yes I know that it is adaptive and gradually tapers off. I have run an experiment. I have installed a couple of battery temperature apps and charged through standard charging. Then I have put the phone on a solid piece of steel plate and charged through fast charging. The temperatures of the battery are identical. I have checked this a number of times. The steel plate even at room temperature is quite cold.
So does this mean that if I fast charge with the phone on a cold steel plate and the temperature is no higher than standard charging resting on a usual surface, that fast charging in this case causes no additional battery degradation?
Thanks.
Fast charging, most of the time
Fast wireless charging all the time. Even when it's in my car dock it wirelessly charges in that can be for 3-4 hours a day on and off depending on journey. Screw battery degradation I'll use the upgrade programme to upgrade next year.
Slow charging. I have the same concern as you hence I off the fast charging function. No diff to me since I charge my phone only at night when I am about to sleep. Do not require charging to be fast.
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Hi everyone, I'm new here with my Note 9 coming from a Galaxy S5. I have 2 questions.
I want to know firstly what (wired) charging do the majority of Galaxy Note 9 owners employ? Standard or fast charging? I am very weary of fast charging because of increased battery degradation.
My second question is this. I am assuming that fast charging increases battery degradation because of increased heat from the higher voltages. And yes I know that it is adaptive and gradually tapers off. I have run an experiment. I have installed a couple of battery temperature apps and charged through standard charging. Then I have put the phone on a solid piece of steel plate and charged through fast charging. The temperatures of the battery are identical. I have checked this a number of times. The steel plate even at room temperature is quite cold.
So does this mean that if I fast charge with the phone on a cold steel plate and the temperature is no higher than standard charging resting on a usual surface, that fast charging in this case causes no additional battery degradation?
Thanks.
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If you plan on keeping your Note 9 as long as you did your S5 then slow charge with wire and also try your best to charge from 40 -80%.
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Samsung is claiming 95% battery charge capacity after 2 years (80% is normal). So there is little reason to hold charging to 40 -80% for the normal lifetime of a phone. And also LION batteries are never allowed to charge or discharge completely - it's hazardous. So Samsung is already limiting how much power the phone can draw or charge the battery. (So do electric car manufacturers)
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hankvb said:
Samsung is claiming 95% battery charge capacity after 2 years (80% is normal). So there is little reason to hold charging to 40 -80% for the normal lifetime of a phone. And also LION batteries are never allowed to charge or discharge completely - it's hazardous. So Samsung is already limiting how much power the phone can draw or charge the battery. (So do electric car manufacturers)
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A quote is worthless without a source, where did you hear Samsung state the phone would have 95% battery charge capacity after 2 years? Also I'm not sure you understand Li-ion batteries, they are allowed to be fully charged but not completely discharged, this is included in the mAh ratings. Also electric car manufacturers do infact recommend something similar to 40 - 80% charging, for example, Tesla by default do not charge 100%. Even Elon Musk recommends 30 - 80% charging: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/448466037441179649
I use slow charging. I believe it is quite fast even with slow charging.
If there is an option to choose whether you want fast and slow charging, note that fast one has some downsides.
A quote is worthless without a source, where did you hear Samsung state the phone would have 95% battery charge capacity after 2 years? Also I'm not sure you understand Li-ion batteries, they are allowed to be fully charged but not completely discharged, this is included in the mAh ratings. Also electric car manufacturers do infact recommend something similar to 40 - 80% charging, for example, Tesla by default do not charge 100%. Even Elon Musk recommends 30 - 80% charging:
Wow took 5 seconds to find many reports of the Samsung statement.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Samsu...ain-95-capacity-after-two-years.244370.0.html
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A quote is worthless without a source, where did you hear Samsung state the phone would have 95% battery charge capacity after 2 years? Also I'm not sure you understand Li-ion batteries, they are allowed to be fully charged but not completely discharged, this is included in the mAh ratings. Also electric car manufacturers do infact recommend something similar to 40 - 80% charging, for example, Tesla by default do not charge 100%. Even Elon Musk recommends 30 - 80% charging:
Wow took 5 seconds to find many reports of the Samsung statement.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Samsu...ain-95-capacity-after-two-years.244370.0.html
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Although I don't blindly trust what manufacturers claim, I did however test my wife's note 8 and used accubattery pro on her device from new. Unlike me, she would always topup her phone and also fast wireless charge. After a year prior to her trading her note 8 in for a note 9 I checked the health tab, I know it's not accurate however as a ballpark is stated her battery health was at 97% which isn't pretty bad for 12 months of usage. My note 8 was at 99% using the 40-80 rule approx 90 % of the time. If one was going to keep their device longer than two years I'd still recommend using the 40-80 method to prolong battery life. However most Inc myself upgrade yearly so it's all moot. I just do it (80-40) out of habit.
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A quote is worthless without a source, where did you hear Samsung state the phone would have 95% battery charge capacity after 2 years? Also I'm not sure you understand Li-ion batteries, they are allowed to be fully charged but not completely discharged, this is included in the mAh ratings. Also electric car manufacturers do infact recommend something similar to 40 - 80% charging, for example, Tesla by default do not charge 100%. Even Elon Musk recommends 30 - 80% charging:
Wow took 5 seconds to find many reports of the Samsung statement.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Samsu...ain-95-capacity-after-two-years.244370.0.html
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And while I'm thinking of it. Why don't you substantiate your quote??
Hello there! I wanted to open this thread to ask what's your opinion on proper charging habits with this Si02 battery that our Mi 11 Ultra's are equipped with. I have been reading a bit on the issue, but all I can find is comparisons between ASM batteries (lead based) and Si02 batteries.
Should we be using the same 15/20% to 80% rule with Si02 batteries?
The most I could find is that they are way more resilient to 80% DoD's than other batteries, so perhaps we can move to a 10 to 90% approach with them?
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I don't like leaving home without 100%
Replacement batteries are cheap but you lose waterproofing when you install one yourself which is a good reason to take care of it if possible
It's so hard NOT to reach 100% with the 65W xiaomi charger that i have
I also observed another thing, when charging with a slower xiaomi charger ( the one that came with the mi9 ) the temperature gets higher until it reaches the 90% mark than the 65W charger.
This was clearly observed via the Accubattery pro app that i use.
I'm curious to see hot it will be with the wireless (80W) charger.
Cheers !
Jhonxs said:
It's so hard NOT to reach 100% with the 65W xiaomi charger that i have
I also observed another thing, when charging with a slower xiaomi charger ( the one that came with the mi9 ) the temperature gets higher until it reaches the 90% mark than the 65W charger.
This was clearly observed via the Accubattery pro app that i use.
I'm curious to see hot it will be with the wireless (80W) charger.
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Given the fan the 80W charger has, I take it will probably run quite cool..!!
I am personally also using the 67W charger and even tho it gets hot, accubattery shows it as being completely fine.
That charging speed is amazing, and indeed, it rlly is hard not to reach 100%. I was using a 33W charging phone before and it was already hard to some point not going over 80-90% .
I am personally going to try keeping the DoD between 60% to 70% if possible, but I feel like this batteries deal with DoD better than Li-ion batteries
If you want to control your charging/discharging, I found an app on Play called Plug Sound. It lets you change a lot of system sounds, but will also play a warning sound when battery reaches High/Low charge %age.
The plugged in/unplugged sounds work well with my wireless charger so I know I've positioned the phone correctly.
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picitup said:
If you want to control your charging/discharging, I found an app on Play called Plug Sound. It lets you change a lot of system sounds, but will also play a warning sound when battery reaches High/Low charge %age.
The plugged in/unplugged sounds work well with my wireless charger so I know I've positioned the phone correctly.
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Steve
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Or, if you're rooted, you can install this app from the Play Store, that limits the charge to a set percentage. You can also find it on this thread. I've been using it on my OnePlus 6 and it works great, stopping the charge at 80% and resuming it if it falls under 78%. It's the first thing I'm going to install when I receive and root my Mi 11 Ultra.
THROW YOUR 120W CHARGER AWAY.
Get a charger for around 65W.
Get a decently good brand. ( I'm using Anker, 65W Mi Charger is also good. )
Anything below 30W would be too slow to charge your phone. Not really practical.
Personally tested a 10W charger, did not work out for me as it doesn't give me the same battery performance.
In my opinion, Xiaomi played us on this one. The 120W charger is a marketing gimmick. I don't think it charges the phone to 100% even though it shows 100%. Either that, or it messes with the battery calibration. As soon as I charge with a 65W charger, the battery goes back to performing properly. By that I mean, lasts me the entire day, and I still have 35-40% remaining the next day on medium usage like maps, streaming. On heavy usage, it still gives me great battery.
I'm 100% sure, you will notice the difference if you switch away from 120W charger as it will drastically extend the battery.
If you have already experienced the difference or made the switch, please do share your experience. On the stock xiaomi charger provided with the phone, the battery life is really terrible, the same usage gets me barely to the end of the day.
If you're still not satisfied by the drastic difference made by the charger only.
You can further go ahead and follow this guide from @spiral5 as well:
How to increase the battery life of the Xiaomi 11T / T Pro
Hello guys, I want to tell you about the adjustments that I have made to my Xiaomi 11T Pro and that have improved battery consumption, keeping the refresh rate of the screen at 120Hz. I would appreciate if you could tell me how it went...
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It will be simply because it is a fast charger, incredibly fast, and you can't completely charge lithium batteries fast, there is always a slow end stage that will take an hour or more regardless of how many watts the charger is. The last top off stage, or saturation stage on lithium cells needs by definition to take time and will charge at a lower current and it has to be slower.
They are showing 100% on fast charging, but that's only the bulk charge capacity with a lot of the saturation stage not done, so you don't get full capacity. The 100% indicator is saying you've charged as much as you can fast, but it might only be 70% actually full. If it is left on the charger, it will likely wait until the temperature has dropped then continue for an hour or so completing the saturation charge, all while still indicating charging is complete, but if you remove it from the charger the moment it hits 100%, then it's not the same 100% you'd get by leaving for a couple of hours.
If they indicated 100% correctly as being as charged as it can be, it will take 20 minutes on fast charge plus an hour or two for the saturation stage to be done, so doesn't quite sell as well!
Xiaomi are cheating somewhat by saying 0 to 100% in x time on fast charge, as the definition of 100% when fast charging is changed.
Personally I just charge over night at 5 watt, better for the battery and you get full capacity.
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It will be simply because it is a fast charger, incredibly fast, and you can't completely charge lithium batteries fast, there is always a slow end stage that will take an hour or more regardless of how many watts the charger is. The last top off stage, or saturation stage on lithium cells needs by definition to take time and will charge at a lower current and it has to be slower.
They are showing 100% on fast charging, but that's only the bulk charge capacity with a lot of the saturation stage not done, so you don't get full capacity. The 100% indicator is saying you've charged as much as you can fast, but it might only be 70% actually full. If it is left on the charger, it will likely wait until the temperature has dropped then continue for an hour or so completing the saturation charge, all while still indicating charging is complete, but if you remove it from the charger the moment it hits 100%, then it's not the same 100% you'd get by leaving for a couple of hours.
If they indicated 100% correctly as being as charged as it can be, it will take 20 minutes on fast charge plus an hour or two for the saturation stage to be done, so doesn't quite sell as well!
Xiaomi are cheating somewhat by saying 0 to 100% in x time on fast charge, as the definition of 100% when fast charging is changed.
Personally I just charge over night at 5 watt, better for the battery and you get full capacity.
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Great insight, they should have mentioned it in a different way instead of saying it's 100% charged. But then that ain't gonna earn them any bucks.
Are you getting a good battery life on 5W? As when i was using the 10W charger and use the phone at the same time it would take forever to charge. And the battery sot wasn't as good as well compared to 65W sot for similar usage.
I also use 10w (5v 2A) and can get for about 8h of sot, charging time is in my case takes about 2:20h from 17-100%Its not that bad, and i prefere slow charging time anyway, i only use 120w when in hurry
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Great insight, they should have mentioned it in a different way instead of saying it's 100% charged. But then that ain't gonna earn them any bucks.
Are you getting a good battery life on 5W? As when i was using the 10W charger and use the phone at the same time it would take forever to charge. And the battery sot wasn't as good as well compared to 65W sot for similar usage.
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If you are using the phone at the same time as charging, you are of course using a chunk of that 5 watts to power the phone, so whilst your battery may not be discharging, there isn't much left over to charge it up.
I always charge overnight as I easily get a day if not a few days from a single charge as I'm not using it much currently as working from home, but if you need to top up during the day whilst still perhaps using it, you would need a charger with a bit more wattage.
Also note that whilst it may say 100% charged, that could represent anywhere from say 95% to 100% actual charge. This is because lithium cells can not be trickle charged, so when charging it will get to being a full capacity, then charging stops, the battery is allowed to discharge several percent before automatically being topped up again, and the cycle continues. So depending on where in that cycle you take the phone of charge, you might be really at 100%, but could equally be at 95%. Because people would complain if the true charge status was shown, i.e. people leave the phone on charge all night and its still only showing 95% in the morning simply because it's on the discharge stage of the discharge/top up cycle when they look at it, they would complain, so 100% is shown from say anywhere between 95% and 100% of real charge state. This applies to all devices. It is why sometimes you take your phone of charge at 100% and it seems to stay at 100% for some time, and other times it starts going down soon after you've unplug it from the charger. Google on their Pixels have an adaptive battery setting and use the alarm clock you've set to know when you are getting up, so they make sure they time that cycle so that you get the phone at a real 100% capacity.
Good thread fellas. Yeah 120w it's just a thing you should use when there's not another option or your in a real rush. And by using it your battery calibration might get confused.
It's as the OP mentioned, with 120w you can feel that your battery life is shorter than charging with lower wattages.
IMO and experience I calibrated my phone's battery (drained it to 0 let it turn off , leave it unattended for around 10 min, then charge it with a 10w while still turned off if possible. And leave it charging 1h more after it says 100%) and b ayer doing so my 11t pro finally became the 2-day phone it should have been from day one.
I personally prefer to charge mine with a 18w (1h20min) or a 22.5w (1h) during the day. 10w it's just for overnight, it's just to long 2h40min or more.
This might be the reason why Samsung nor Apple has not yet jump into bandwagon of 100w-ish charging. Even not to 65w. It just my hunch though. Still, 100w-ish charging might be life changing in certain situation. And if I recall correctly, the most ideal percentage to charge Li-On is around 80-ish, that might the actual percentage that we get if we charge to 100% with 100w-ish charger.
To be honest i tried 33w charger and 120w charger and battery performance for me is the same(4.5sot + 6 background yt music)
The thing is when u use 120W charger and battery go 100% you have to let it charge 5-10 min more because is not fully charged.
You can check with app called ampere(download from playstore)
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To be honest i tried 33w charger and 120w charger and battery performance for me is the same(4.5sot + 6 background yt music)
The thing is when u use 120W charger and battery go 100% you have to let it charge 5-10 min more because is not fully charged.
You can check with app called ampere(download from playstore)
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Please try a 65W charger from xiaomi or anker, i guarantee you the difference. Sot also depends on the usage, but there will surely be a drastic increase in the battery capacity.
And i completely agree to your point on trickle charging. But unfortunately, it does not justify the 4 hrs sot difference im getting after charging my phone through different chargers. 65W gives me 8 hours, whereas 120W full charge gives me around 4 hours.
I feel xiaomi really just did this as a marketing gimmick and did a half hazard job at it.
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If you are using the phone at the same time as charging, you are of course using a chunk of that 5 watts to power the phone, so whilst your battery may not be discharging, there isn't much left over to charge it up.
I always charge overnight as I easily get a day if not a few days from a single charge as I'm not using it much currently as working from home, but if you need to top up during the day whilst still perhaps using it, you would need a charger with a bit more wattage.
Also note that whilst it may say 100% charged, that could represent anywhere from say 95% to 100% actual charge. This is because lithium cells can not be trickle charged, so when charging it will get to being a full capacity, then charging stops, the battery is allowed to discharge several percent before automatically being topped up again, and the cycle continues. So depending on where in that cycle you take the phone of charge, you might be really at 100%, but could equally be at 95%. Because people would complain if the true charge status was shown, i.e. people leave the phone on charge all night and its still only showing 95% in the morning simply because it's on the discharge stage of the discharge/top up cycle when they look at it, they would complain, so 100% is shown from say anywhere between 95% and 100% of real charge state. This applies to all devices. It is why sometimes you take your phone of charge at 100% and it seems to stay at 100% for some time, and other times it starts going down soon after you've unplug it from the charger. Google on their Pixels have an adaptive battery setting and use the alarm clock you've set to know when you are getting up, so they make sure they time that cycle so that you get the phone at a real 100% capacity.
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Like i previously mentioned as well in the above post, trickle charging or that 5-10% of charge shouldnt make the difference im experiencing after switching chargers. 4 hours sot difference is no joke. Its literally half battery capacity.
I love the phone, but Xiaomi really messed around with us on this.
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Please try a 65W charger from xiaomi or anker, i guarantee you the difference. Sot also depends on the usage, but there will surely be a drastic increase in the battery capacity.
And i completely agree to your point on trickle charging. But unfortunately, it does not justify the 4 hrs sot difference im getting after charging my phone through different chargers. 65W gives me 8 hours, whereas 120W full charge gives me around 4 hours.
I feel xiaomi really just did this as a marketing gimmick and did a half hazard job at it.
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Unfortunately i don't have a 65w charger :/
I get 4.5 sot because i also use yt music for 6-7 hours in background + 5g all dhe time.
The problem i noticed is that when i use my phone after charging my battery gives me good sot (5 hour non stop gaming mlbb and still have 25% left). But if i charge at night and use the phone the next day the battery drain really fast (that's why i charge every morning before i leave home).
I'm not really happy with battery life to be honest but im really happy with charging speed
+ How you guys get sot 8hrs?. I never couldn't do that with my phones( old device k20 pro average 5hrs sot)
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Unfortunately i don't have a 65w charger :/
I get 4.5 sot because i also use yt music for 6-7 hours in background + 5g all dhe time.
The problem i noticed is that when i use my phone after charging my battery gives me good sot (5 hour non stop gaming mlbb and still have 25% left). But if i charge at night and use the phone the next day the battery drain really fast (that's why i charge every morning before i leave home).
I'm not really happy with battery life to be honest but im really happy with charging speed
+ How you guys get sot 8hrs?. I never couldn't do that with my phones( old device k20 pro average 5hrs sot)
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Even after switching away from 120W charger, if you're not seeing a drastic difference, then i recommend changing the chargers to something similar to what i own (anker) about 65W or a mi charger 65W (official). Because i personally experienced the huge battery life change, and i know this phone can give a 1.5 day battery life on medium usage. On heavy usage it lasts me easily the entire day (8hours sot easy). But usage may vary. And when i was using 120W charger, it was giving me 4hours sot, with the same usage. So i know, the phone has the capacity to do it.
Maybe it could be a non branded charger issue? I'm not sure. It should show quick charging when charging via the different charger as well that way you know its getting the juice it requires.
Rocking a Xiaomi 67W charger and so far not much difference. I'm using the phone out of the box, I am not switching back to 60hz since whats the point of buying it if you wont use 120hz. Lets see after a few more cycles.
EDIT: After using this 67W for 2 days now, battery life is the same. IT might not be the charger but going back to 60 Hz might be the reason some ppl had improved battery life. I will return back to 120W since I prefer the ultra fast charging while the phone stays cool at the same time (mine is at 40-41 degrees C and it charges around 20 minutes)
EDIT 2: Tried 60hz for a day, since I was out with family, it noticeably improved battery life even though I charged with the 120W adapter. Hopefully Xiaomi adds a dynamicswitch feature for us soon or a 90hz option
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Rocking a Xiaomi 67W charger and so far not much difference. I'm using the phone out of the box, I am not switching back to 60hz since whats the point of buying it if you wont use 120hz. Lets see after a few more cycles.
EDIT: After using this 67W for 2 days now, battery life is the same. IT might not be the charger but going back to 60 Hz might be the reason some ppl had improved battery life. I will return back to 120W since I prefer the ultra fast charging while the phone stays cool at the same time (mine is at 40-41 degrees C and it charges around 20 minutes)
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I tried using my phone on 120hz for a day or two, i get like an hour less compared to 60hz i find a major difference in battery even with 120hz enabled.
Not sure why. But if it works, it works.
Also just to clear my experience, i never use this phone on 120hz, even when i initially was using the 120w charger. It has always been set to 60hz for me, as i like to save battery wherever i can.
Update: Using accubattery, when my phone reached 100%, its still taking in current around 1500-2000mah range (around 10-15w) and its trickle charging the battery. The estimated capacity when reaching 100% is around 2200 mah(times 2 since our phone is a dual cell battery) then letting it trickle charge for a few minutes (an extra 10) made the capacity to 2550(which is around 5100 mah) and by doing so I am easily getting 6-7 hr sot on 120HZ. It may be a marketing trick to reach 100% in an instant but leave it plugged in for an extra 10 mins or so to get more screen on time.
quite great battery life
Pher- said:
Update: Using accubattery, when my phone reached 100%, its still taking in current around 1500-2000mah range (around 10-15w) and its trickle charging the battery. The estimated capacity when reaching 100% is around 2200 mah(times 2 since our phone is a dual cell battery) then letting it trickle charge for a few minutes (an extra 10) made the capacity to 2550(which is around 5100 mah) and by doing so I am easily getting 6-7 hr sot on 120HZ. It may be a marketing trick to reach 100% in an instant but leave it plugged in for an extra 10 mins or so to get more screen on time.
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Don't trust the apps. Find some real volt meter.
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Amazing!
MIUI 13 by any chance?
I am on miui 13 official, had heavy battery drain on miui12.5, disabled miui optimizations and now everything is good
Edit: apparently the program that handles battery changed after disabling miui optimizations, maybe it's a bug related issue