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[Q] is it possible to get bravia engine 2 back?

hey guys, im new to this forum,,
anyways,
i know that unlocking bootloader will take away xperia z's bravia engine,
but if i relock the bootloader again, will i be able to get it back?
opinions pls :<
P.S. : does losing bravia engine is a really big deal to you?

For now there is no way to get BE2 back after unlocking.
Maybe in the future, no one can tell.
Kind regards, Stefan.

Thaevil0ne said:
For now there is no way to get BE2 back after unlocking.
Maybe in the future, no one can tell.
Kind regards, Stefan.
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thanks for teh answer thaevil0ne, btw, do you think losing bravia engine is a really big deal?

For me, not at all.
I unlocked the bootloader even before checking out the BE, as I want custom kernels.
As far as I understand it will only work when you view pictures or movies with the Sony Album app.
If you browse the web or play games the engine will not be active at all.
Kind regards, Stefan.

Hey folks,
we often heard now that BE2 can't be brought back after unlocking bootloader.
My question is simple...WHY?? Maybe some dev can answer this question. I don't understand where's the link between unlocking and the BE2 engine. And why does this only affect pictures? That makes no sense...
In addition to that, there are a lot of ROMs for other sony devices which bring BE2 to them. Why shouldn't it be possible to bring it back then?
I understand that thing with loosing DRM support because of security issues...but an graphics engine....?
Greetz
Cube

Thaevil0ne said:
For me, not at all.
I unlocked the bootloader even before checking out the BE, as I want custom kernels.
As far as I understand it will only work when you view pictures or movies with the Sony Album app.
If you browse the web or play games the engine will not be active at all.
Kind regards, Stefan.
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reading your comment made me feel better, i thought xperia phones will be suck if theres no bravia,

DooMLoRD ported BE1 to Xperia Play back in the day, see this topic:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1246402
So Iam pretty sure it must be possible to port BE2 aswell, maybe DooMLoRD could explain us a bit more?
Kind regards, Stefan.

TheAngryCube said:
Hey folks,
we often heard now that BE2 can't be brought back after unlocking bootloader.
My question is simple...WHY?? Maybe some dev can answer this question. I don't understand where's the link between unlocking and the BE2 engine. And why does this only affect pictures? That makes no sense...
In addition to that, there are a lot of ROMs for other sony devices which bring BE2 to them. Why shouldn't it be possible to bring it back then?
I understand that thing with loosing DRM support because of security issues...but an graphics engine....?
Greetz
Cube
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very true bro, maybe sony wants us to regret on our decision on unlocking it,thats why

nokbepogi16 said:
very true bro, maybe sony wants us to regret on our decision on unlocking it,thats why
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Maybe, but from my point of view, it's a feature supported by Sony. Why then punish users/devs who work on that nice piece of hardware to make it even better...

Thaevil0ne said:
DooMLoRD ported BE1 to Xperia Play back in the day, see this topic:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1246402
So Iam pretty sure it must be possible to port BE2 aswell, maybe DooMLoRD could explain us a bit more?
Kind regards, Stefan.
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thanks for the positive thoughts bro,, please let me know if doomlords comes up with this port thank you very much

When you unlock the bootloader you lose things called DRM keys, these can never be restored after unlocking. These keys are used to make specific functions or features work. After you unlock as these keys are no longer there so some functions won't work. Sadly bravia engine is one of these things that stops working.

Bravia Engine 2 back
fareeed said:
When you unlock the bootloader you lose things called DRM keys, these can never be restored after unlocking. These keys are used to make specific functions or features work. After you unlock as these keys are no longer there so some functions won't work. Sadly bravia engine is one of these things that stops working.
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Has anyone tried this method: http://xperianeoldev.blogspot.be/2013/05/tutorial-install-bravia-engine-2-on.html ?
I asked the author of this tutorial if it would be possible to make similar deal with XZ and it is what he answered:
"Yes , use the tutorial given in the website it is working on all xperia smartphones"
Still hope to get BE2 back!

For all people here you will brick your phones. Unlocking your bootloader you do not loose bravia engine it was told 100x times read forum

bravia will be loss in album but video still work.

That's still half not working

Bootloader unlocked but I still have the option to turn BE2 on or off. I can't decide is there any difference when it's on then off...

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defsix said:
Bootloader unlocked but I still have the option to turn BE2 on or off. I can't decide is there any difference when it's on then off...
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It surly does not work with the pictures.
Bth I had a few smartphones as far: iPhone (jailbreaked), HTC HD, S Galaxy Nexus, Galaxt Tab 7, and have never had problems like this that I irreversibly lost such important features after unlockimg the bootloader. Of course it is only me to blame as I should have done more research before but bearing in mind my earlier experience and the fact the instructions were taken fron offical Sony site I just felt too self confident.
Anyway I think next time I will not choose Sony smartphone as I am bit dissapointed with the situation esp. when you see BE ported on devices from HTC, Samsung or others.

sikoro said:
It surly does not work with the pictures.
Bth I had a few smartphones as far: iPhone (jailbreaked), HTC HD, S Galaxy Nexus, Galaxt Tab 7, and have never had problems like this that I irreversibly lost such important features after unlockimg the bootloader. Of course it is only me to blame as I should have done more research before but bearing in mind my earlier experience and the fact the instructions were taken fron offical Sony site I just felt too self confident.
Anyway I think next time I will not choose Sony smartphone as I am bit dissapointed with the situation esp. when you see BE ported on devices from HTC, Samsung or others.
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Do you still have the option for BE2? I also thought we lost the ability to get track info and movie info from Gracenote, that's still working fine for me. I don't do DRM so it's no loss to me.
I've not used other devices much, I vaguely remember with Samsung you're sideloading the firmware as opposed to Sony where you're unlocking to freely change the firmware... Correct me if I'm wrong.
Sent from my Brain via my Keyboard on my Xperia Z

defsix said:
Do you still have the option for BE2? I also thought we lost the ability to get track info and movie info from Gracenote, that's still working fine for me. I don't do DRM so it's no loss to me.
I've not used other devices much, I vaguely remember with Samsung you're sideloading the firmware as opposed to Sony where you're unlocking to freely change the firmware... Correct me if I'm wrong.
Sent from my Brain via my Keyboard on my Xperia Z
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Yes I do. The button BE2 is still visible in my settings but there is no difference if I turn it on or off. For getting track info it is similar - I can start this option, wait until is finished. Then start it again and exactly the same number tracks is updated. You can repeat the process all over but in fact nothing is changed.
I don't know what you exactly mean "sideloading" but when I had Galaxy Nexus I could freely change the firmware, could have f.eg. JB with Touch Wizz from S3. Of course had no BE2 at all but the screen was more vivid so the pictures looked better (my opinion) than on XZ without BE.
Anyway there are mods which allow to install BE2 on devices from HTC, Samsung, Motorolla or other unlocked Sony models and that makes me even more disappointed.

sikoro said:
Yes I do. The button BE2 is still visible in my settings but there is no difference if I turn it on or off. For getting track info it is similar - I can start this option, wait until is finished. Then start it again and exactly the same number tracks is updated. You can repeat the process all over but in fact nothing is changed.
I don't know what you exactly mean "sideloading" but when I had Galaxy Nexus I could freely change the firmware, could have f.eg. JB with Touch Wizz from S3. Of course had no BE2 at all but the screen was more vivid so the pictures looked better (my opinion) than on XZ without BE.
Anyway there are mods which allow to install BE2 on devices from HTC, Samsung, Motorolla or other unlocked Sony models and that makes me even more disappointed.
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I still have the ability to use the Gracenote services, I updated all my music and it replaced the cover art, I also did the same with my movie & tv show collection.
On Samsung i believe the system is less secured when it comes to installing other firmwares hence the ease with which it's done. Firmwares can be installed without unlocking unlike Sony. (this is not my direct experience with Samsung only what I've heard)
As for BE2 it can installed on other devices and according to a post i read last night it's theoretically can be done, but not yet tried.
Sent from my Brain via my Keyboard on my Xperia Z

[Q] Unlocking any downsides?

Hi there, i've got an Z1 ordered wich should be delivered tomorrow or the day after.
I've read a few threads in advance and even checked out some roms wich will suit me
I've got a question though;
It's not that beginner stuff, i have a sxs and i know what to do to unlock the bootloader and flash cfws.
I've read some posts about having camera issues in CM11 and that is has something to do with unlocking the bootloader (link)
i'm honest:i haven't read the whole thread so sorry if that issue should be resolved now.
now the point of this thread:
is there anything that can f**k up my device when unlocking it while completely following sony's guide?
or should is there another foolproof method?
next thing:
i've read alot about that touchscreen bug. if i have this bug, do have it right from the start or can it also happen later?
i don't want to unlock my device and then after some time falling victim to this bug.
last question:
if anything happens, worst case scenario:
i've unlocked my device and something happens to it. can i relock my bootloader without sony knowing that it was unlocked?
thanks in advance

xXFlippyXx said:
is there anything that can f**k up my device when unlocking it while completely following sony's guide?
or should is there another foolproof method?
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No, if you follow the instruction all will be fine, before that check if you can open it, type *#*#7378423*#*# and see Bootloader Unlock Allowed: YES or NO?
xXFlippyXx said:
i've read alot about that touchscreen bug. if i have this bug, do have it right from the start or can it also happen later?
i don't want to unlock my device and then after some time falling victim to this bug.
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If you have the problem then you have it already, you just don't know how to reproduce it. Unlocking Bootloader have nothing to do with it.
Check this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNV_jat9Z5Y
xXFlippyXx said:
if anything happens, worst case scenario:
i've unlocked my device and something happens to it. can i relock my bootloader without sony knowing that it was unlocked?
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Before Unlock Bootlader you have to root your phone and Backup TA and DRM keys, then you can Unlock or reLock your Bootlader.
Should be covered via warranty if the Booloader is locked, so if you Relock your Bootlader should be too.

I haven't read about any bricks just from unlocking.
Most bricks happen when going from 4.2.2 to 4.3

eclyptos said:
Before Unlock Bootlader you have to root your phone and Backup TA and DRM keys, then you can Unlock or reLock your Bootlader.
Should be covered via warranty if the Booloader is locked, so if you Relock your Bootlader should be too.
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do you really have to backup TA and DRM keys? i didnt do that when unlocking the bootloader (it took me 2h to unlock it and install a custom ROM, didnt have time to flash 3 ROMs just to get root and be able to backup TA/DRM)
afaik DRM keys are only needed for bravia engine which many people think is useless and even worsens image quality due to heavy sharpening..

Furma said:
do you really have to backup TA and DRM keys? i didnt do that when unlocking the bootloader (it took me 2h to unlock it and install a custom ROM, didnt have time to flash 3 ROMs just to get root and be able to backup TA/DRM)
afaik DRM keys are only needed for bravia engine which many people think is useless and even worsens image quality due to heavy sharpening..
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Then permanently lost yours DRM Keys, you don't have Warranty anymore on you device and features like X-Reality, Bionz processing and Bravia Engine.

eclyptos said:
Then permanently lost yours DRM Keys, you don't have Warranty anymore on you device and features like X-Reality, Bionz processing and Bravia Engine.
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warranty i didnt have from the start, so no loss there
X-Reality, Bionz and Bravia engine all sound like marketing gimmicks - especially x-reality/bravia engine which does nothing for image quality, use of TFT displays is Sonys biggest problem and no software enhancement can solve that (HTC still makes the best displays on the market)
and Bionz didnt help Sony make best smartphone camera on the market
the way i look at it, its just like having AOSP/Google device..

Furma said:
warranty i didnt have from the start, so no loss there
X-Reality, Bionz and Bravia engine all sound like marketing gimmicks - especially x-reality/bravia engine which does nothing for image quality, use of TFT displays is Sonys biggest problem and no software enhancement can solve that (HTC still makes the best displays on the market)
and Bionz didnt help Sony make best smartphone camera on the market
the way i look at it, its just like having AOSP/Google device..
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So you have your reasons and it's just you on 50 people without warranty. You also can't relock the bootlader but I think is not a problem for you.
BTW, I have to admit you are right, X-Reality, Bravia seems not help and Bionz didn't made Sony best smartphone Camera. Z1 still making middle range pictures.

eclyptos said:
Z1 still making middle range pictures.
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You sure you have the genuine Z1,not a Chinese fake? My Z1 does stunning pictures.
Wysłane z mojego C6903 przy użyciu Tapatalka

i has a question!!!
when unlocking your boottloader it breaks the camera right?
the 4.3 update suposedly fixed that, or is that a device or version spesific thing?
because im saving up money to buy a SXZ1 Direct from sony and i am hoping to.unlock my bootloader without having to worry about the broken camera issue

olokos said:
You sure you have the genuine Z1,not a Chinese fake? My Z1 does stunning pictures.
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I don't know, in Galeria Promenada, Ul Ostrobramska, shop Teletorium they selling fake Phones?
In daylight all pictures seems good, I don't like the quality of 20mpx and 8mpx in iAuto. Too much noise, many complain about that, just a bit of low light and Bam, expensive camera gone on the moon. I don't like the pictures, my personal opignion. The phone is good to me and if it's fake they really do a hell of job in China, still Made in China the Genuine anyway so no big difference!
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Envious_Data said:
i has a question!!!
when unlocking your boottloader it breaks the camera right?
the 4.3 update suposedly fixed that, or is that a device or version spesific thing?
because im saving up money to buy a SXZ1 Direct from sony and i am hoping to.unlock my bootloader without having to worry about the broken camera issue
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Yes, the .290 update fix that and all working fine. Remember to Backup TA before Unlock Bootlader. You still missing X-Reality, Bionz processing and Bravia engine after unlock bootlader but the phone will working well and many ppl do not see any difference.

eclyptos said:
I don't know, in Galeria Promenada, Ul Ostrobramska, shop Teletorium they selling fake Phones?
In daylight all pictures seems good, I don't like the quality of 20mpx and 8mpx in iAuto. Too much noise, many complain about that, just a bit of low light and Bam, expensive camera gone on the moon. I don't like the pictures, my personal opignion. The phone is good to me and if it's fake they really do a hell of job in China, still Made in China the Genuine anyway so no big difference!
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Yes, the .290 update fix that and all working fine. Remember to Backup TA before Unlock Bootlader. You still missing X-Reality, Bionz processing and Bravia engine after unlock bootlader but the phone will working well and many ppl do not see any difference.
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ok thats good
ill be buying a Xperia Z1
Ill be Building Envi-OS Touch Edition and if can get a chance, Ubuntu Touch and maybe a few other things
X-Reality boinz and braiva i never cared for
they are only useful if the effect is permanent not only when the engines are on
thanks for your quick replie
Sent from my LT26i using XDA Premium 4 mobile app

woah, my thread got hijacked...
i'd like to give feedback now:
i don't know of camera quality yet, since i still got those factory screen protectors on my z1 (those ugly ones wich you have to peel off). i'd like to keep it that way until i get my third party screen protector. i'm a bit clumsy and i don't like the thought of having scratches on sonys stock protectors. i will get my screen protector + case tomorrow
i'm halfway through unlocking the phone. it came with 257 (4.2) t-mobile branded, so i had to downgrade to 534 to get root. ive had to read alot before downgrading, i wasn't really sure if drm keys stay if i just downgrade via flashtool. took me a while too get those firmwares too .
the biggest problems i had were with my adb drivers. I had a SXS before, where all was pretty smooth. But i had dozens of problems to get those adb drivers for my z1 to work. Normally i don't have any problems with such things as drivers but those really got my nuts :/
Windows installed drivers of their own, wouldn't let me overwrite nor delete them. Either the drivers were to old or wouldn't fit device (wich was a lie). Good thing i have a ssd, because i've punched my desk more than a few times
now i'm on 290, with root and recovery. i have a backup of TA partition, and next thing i'll do is unlocking the bootloader.
second:
at the moment i lack of a rubber mat, so i can't really test my screen. up until now i haven't noticed any problem with the responsiveness of the screen. i'll report back if im through with that.

Nice, sorry i think the thread hijacking was my fault
Anyway z1 camera is as good as xperia s camera, sucks is lower light levels but besides that its amazing,
Sent from my LT26i using XDA Premium 4 mobile app

Green photos with unlocked bootloader

Has anyone unlocked their bootloader and when you take a photo with pretty much any camera app outside of snapchat. The photos are just solid green?
Sadly didn't understand this whole DRM key thing til after the fact.
Also has anyone been able to relock their bootloader, keeps failing for me. I'd really like to use android pay.
thanks

Have you thought of going down the AOSP road?
Might fix the camera.

Didgesteve said:
Have you thought of going down the AOSP road?
Might fix the camera.
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Yea that's what I originally did, but certain things don't work. Like the front facing camera and fingerprint reader, and it's just not very stable.

I'm afraid u just thrown 600 bucks my friend... Nobody dares to unlock bootloader because the drm keys yet, everybody knows that... I don't think u will ever be able to restore your drm keys, since u didn't back them up... But I'll be happy to be wrong

The original DRM keys will not be recoverable, ever, but there's still hope to restore DRM reliant features via hacks like this or this. EDIT: Never mind the second link
Since @Meow_ has already unlocked the bootloader, maybe you can experiment with things a bit, see what works, maybe even do your own development if you're up to it. Good luck!

Almost all of the other Sony phones I've seen eventually get root and roms with built-in DRM functionality. Just wait a while.

Meow_ said:
Has anyone unlocked their bootloader and when you take a photo with pretty much any camera app outside of snapchat. The photos are just solid green?
Sadly didn't understand this whole DRM key thing til after the fact.
Also has anyone been able to relock their bootloader, keeps failing for me. I'd really like to use android pay.
thanks
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Hi Meow_,
You might want to check in with sToRm in this thread.
He has a DRM patch solution for the XZ Premium and wants to test it against an XZ1/XZ1c.

Oh sweet thanks

Waiting for root?

Got my brand new S10+ yesterday, and found out that no one rooted it yet (am I right?).
Migrating from a previous phone to a new one usually takes me a couple of hours of setting up everything, and a couple more of fiddling around, and I'll hate to do it twice.
I'm guessing its going to take a similar amount of time for many of you guys that likes everything customized & tailored.
So... what do you say?
Migrate (and then when a safe rooting method is out there - repeat everything)?
Wait for root while your brand new & shiny phone smiles at you from your desk while collecting dust?
How long do you think we'll wait until someone comes up with a rooting solution?

I'm gonna set mine up and use it like normal, just no updating at all until a root methods is discovered, preferably one with an unlocked bootloader and that doesn't trip Knox. I haven't had a Galaxy device since the Note 4, Knox is still a thing, right?
Also, I assume you tried unlocked the bootloader in developer options and it didn't work?

Rooting has become a more difficult process in the last few recent years. I'm pretty sure the snapdragon variant is the one that likely won't get a root method or that it will be a long while until it comes around - I could be wrong and not trying to spread misinformation...
Truth be told, the Galaxy s8 was the first phone I felt I didn't need to have root with. The ability to remove apps out of the box, freezing unneeded apps, and substratum for theming really helped with that. I can't wait for my s10 to get here Friday. I don't expect root, but with the new UI, and hopefully, the ability to theme or have a dark mode once again will likely stem that feeling to need root.

While I can obviously live without root since I did pre-order this phone, i will still be a bit sad without Viper4Android

jitz said:
Got my brand new S10+ yesterday, and found out that no one rooted it yet (am I right?).
Migrating from a previous phone to a new one usually takes me a couple of hours of setting up everything, and a couple more of fiddling around, and I'll hate to do it twice.
I'm guessing its going to take a similar amount of time for many of you guys that likes everything customized & tailored.
So... what do you say?
Migrate (and then when a safe rooting method is out there - repeat everything)?
Wait for root while your brand new & shiny phone smiles at you from your desk while collecting dust?
How long do you think we'll wait until someone comes up with a rooting solution?
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You're going to have to post a model # or something US/International Snapdragon/Exynos before anyone can answer that question. Exynos=root, US Snapdragon=probably never.

If you have any Samsung Snapdragon phone and are waiting for someone to root it you'll see the sun burn out and die sooner.

lightmastertech said:
Also, I assume you tried unlocked the bootloader in developer options and it didn't work?
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I did see that option under the dev menu, but I didnt try to use it, because AFAIK, bootloader unlocking is only the first step towards a properly rooted device....
Is there any advantage for unlocking the bootloader (before a rooting method is discovered) that I'm missing?
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Truth be told, the Galaxy s8 was the first phone I felt I didn't need to have root with. The ability to remove apps out of the box, freezing unneeded apps, and substratum for theming really helped with that. I can't wait for my s10 to get here Friday. I don't expect root, but with the new UI, and hopefully, the ability to theme or have a dark mode once again will likely stem that feeling to need root.
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Here are my main reasons:
1. Titanium backup - need I say more?
2. Get rid of bloatware
3. Properly block ads
You'll find plenty of other reasons here: https://android.gadgethacks.com/how-to/all-reasons-you-should-root-your-phone-0189131/
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You're going to have to post a model # or something US/International Snaodragon/Exynos before anyone can answer that question. Exynos=root, US Snapdragon=probably never.
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roaduardo said:
If you have any Samsung Snapdragon phone and are waiting for someone to root it you'll see the sun burn out and die sooner.
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Luckily, I'm with a SM-G975F (Exynos 9820)
What do you think are the odds for having the Exynos variants rooted?

Luckily, I'm with a SM-G975F (Exynos 9820)
What do you think are the odds for having the Exynos variants rooted?
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Fair

When you unlock the boot loader, it’ll factory reset your device, including wiping internal sd card. Best to go ahead and do that sooner than later imo

lightmastertech said:
When you unlock the boot loader, it’ll factory reset your device, including wiping internal sd card. Best to go ahead and do that sooner than later imo
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I'm aware that rooting will wipe my device clean - thats the reason I brought the question up...
But - are there any other steps in the currently known Samsung rooting methods that will also wipe my phone?
In other words - if I'll unlock the bootloader now (and factory reset my phone) - will I be able to root & keep my data and setup in the future (once a rooting method is discovered)?

My main reason for wanting root is call recording and Swift installer support. But I think maybe Swift installer is now working on Pie? I haven't confirmed that yet. But call recording has been a valuable tool for me. I hope one day someone, an app or whatever, can get it working on Pie without root.
Titanium Backup (to delete some system apps) is also nice. I still have my rooted 6T but I doubt I'll be using it much after I get my S10(E) tomorrow.

roaduardo said:
My main reason for wanting root is call recording and Swift installer support. But I think maybe Swift installer is now working on Pie? I haven't confirmed that yet. But call recording has been a valuable tool for me. I hope one day someone, an app or whatever, can get it working on Pie without root.
Titanium Backup (to delete some system apps) is also nice. I still have my rooted 6T but I doubt I'll be using it much after I get my S10(E) tomorrow.
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Oh man don't even mention Titanium Backup. I had many rooted Moto phones from the original thru the G4 and even did some rom development with them. Titanium Backup was one of the first and best apps I ever paid for. The one good thing about Motos though , it was almost impossible to brick a Moto.

Guys, anyone having issues locating developer options after tapping the Build number 7 times??

First time with pie? Why are you trolling the forum reposting this question instead of spending a minute looking?
After you tap build number and it tells you that developer options have been enabled, go back to the top level menu and scroll all the way down. It's at the very bottom.

mrao said:
Guys, anyone having issues locating developer options after tapping the Build number 7 times??
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Don't give people heart attacks like that, lol. Gotta have developed options at least to speed up the animations.

roaduardo said:
My main reason for wanting root is call recording and Swift installer support. But I think maybe Swift installer is now working on Pie? I haven't confirmed that yet. But call recording has been a valuable tool for me. I hope one day someone, an app or whatever, can get it working on Pie without root.
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Actually, it used to be my top reason for rooting my previous devices, BUT:
to my surprise - Samsung included call recording on their OFFICIAL S10 rom (in my country), so I have this feature out of the box, integrated into the in-call screen.

mrao said:
Guys, anyone having issues locating developer options after tapping the Build number 7 times??
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It's under /Settings/System in Pie

jitz said:
Actually, it used to be my top reason for rooting my previous devices, BUT:
to my surprise - Samsung included call recording on their OFFICIAL S10 rom (in my country), so I have this feature out of the box, integrated into the in-call screen.
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Where are you from?

jitz said:
Actually, it used to be my top reason for rooting my previous devices, BUT:
to my surprise - Samsung included call recording on their OFFICIAL S10 rom (in my country), so I have this feature out of the box, integrated into the in-call screen.
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LUCKY!

edopa said:
Where are you from?
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Israel,
It seems that all of the S10 variants sold here supports call recording out of the box.

what happened to all the click to root apps? Would any work?

Title says is all really, pretty sure that the bootloader still needs unlocking, just I remember being able to root without unlocking the bootloader, without having TWRP /Clockwork mod in the past.
Tried a few of them with no luck, any way this can be done..
I've kind of given up on the bootloader unlock code and thus the ability to flash a rom (even though Huawei allowed this device to be treble compatible, evil bast****)
Would any exploits work?
Be good to at least get root on this crippled bloatfest excuse for an android device.

Nope. Nothing will work

The Restless Soul said:
Nope. Nothing will work
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Why?

dladz said:
Why?
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Without an unlocked bootloader, you can't do nothing.

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Without an unlocked bootloader, you can't do nothing.
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Yep I got that pal..
But you've missed the point.
Why?
Unlocking the bootloader was not always necessary.
Certain devices yes but how to know??
Installing TWRP to a partition is impossible without removing the checking system which is inherently what a locked bootloader brings.
But I'm not talking about that, nor am I talking about installing a custom ROM..
Only root, nothing more.

dladz said:
Yep I got that pal..
But you've missed the point.
Why?
Unlocking the bootloader was not always necessary.
Certain devices yes but how to know??
Installing TWRP to a partition is impossible without removing the checking system which is inherently what a locked bootloader brings.
But I'm not talking about that, nor am I talking about installing a custom ROM..
Only root, nothing more.
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We are talking about huawei here lmao. I don't think there is any possibility to root it, unless you unlock the bootloader.
There was a trick but it got fixed, which is to replace erecovery with TWRP and root the phone.

dladz said:
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All the "click to root" apps were using certain exploits/privilege escalation vulnerabilities. With Android development those holes were patched by Google on Android level and by most OEMs on their custom versions level.

The Restless Soul said:
We are talking about huawei here lmao. I don't think there is any possibility to root it, unless you unlock the bootloader.
There was a trick but it got fixed, which is to replace erecovery with TWRP and root the phone.
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Any idea which firmware that was available on? Was it oreo? I can go back to that.

arty_a said:
All the "click to root" apps were using certain exploits/privilege escalation vulnerabilities. With Android development those holes were patched by Google on Android level and by most OEMs on their custom versions level.
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Cheers, any idea what was the last one which was exploitable?
I can roll back to 8.1 on hisuite.
I don't see much of a difference between oreo and pie. From what I remember anyway.

dladz said:
Any idea which firmware that was available on? Was it oreo? I can go back to that.
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Emui 5.0, unfortunately.

The Restless Soul said:
Emui 5.0, unfortunately.
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5?? Hahaha awesome. Lol

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Emui 5.0, unfortunately.
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That's from a time when Huawei were like " hi XDA, could you help us please, we'll be your best friend"
XDA should have stuck a nice big middle finger up to them...
I hate Huawei so much.

dladz said:
That's from a time when Huawei were like " hi XDA, could you help us please, we'll be your best friend"
XDA should have stuck a nice big middle finger up to them...
I hate Huawei so much.
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If i wasn't short on cash, i could had bought an s10 plus or iphone, but oh well.

The Restless Soul said:
If i wasn't short on cash, i could had bought an s10 plus or iphone, but oh well.
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Honestly, OnePlus 7T pro, it's just a phenomenal phone, all the things im miss are just there and not a sniff of a company locking anything down.
It's butter smooth. I used my pro next to the 7t pro and honestly it's an incredible difference, it's like playing a game at 144hz for the first time, 60 just can't cut it ever again.
I'm going to let this can run down and get the 8, I usually upgrade 2-3 times a year but thought I'd give it a miss this year.. kind of glad I did but it's paining me now as my bootloader is screwed and there's only so much I can do without root.
I'd love to remove the swap memory (page file /zram) but I don't think it's possible.
Swap torpedo did this and the speed increase is amazing.
PS: I wouldn't bother with the S10 it's not as good as the oneplus devices tbh. S11 might compete but it's still Samsung so nah not for me.

dladz said:
Honestly, OnePlus 7T pro, it's just a phenomenal phone, all the things im miss are just there and not a sniff of a company locking anything down.
It's butter smooth. I used my pro next to the 7t pro and honestly it's an incredible difference, it's like playing a game at 144hz for the first time, 60 just can't cut it ever again.
I'm going to let this can run down and get the 8, I usually upgrade 2-3 times a year but thought I'd give it a miss this year.. kind of glad I did but it's paining me now as my bootloader is screwed and there's only so much I can do without root.
I'd love to remove the swap memory (page file /zram) but I don't think it's possible.
Swap torpedo did this and the speed increase is amazing.
PS: I wouldn't bother with the S10 it's not as good as the oneplus devices tbh. S11 might compete but it's still Samsung so nah not for me.
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If oneplus could had provided water resistance to their phones since now they have flagship prices...
That is a bit important to me. But let's see if Huawei redeems themselves.

dladz said:
Cheers, any idea what was the last one which was exploitable?
I can roll back to 8.1 on hisuite.
I don't see much of a difference between oreo and pie. From what I remember anyway.
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Can't really help you with that, mate, sorry...
Stopped playing around with root/android about 2 years ago. In fact, the last time I rooted a phone was on android 7... I like my banking apps running on my phone and really don't think rooting the phone has any advantages, but does add certain security concerns.

The Restless Soul said:
If oneplus could had provided water resistance to their phones since now they have flagship prices...
That is a bit important to me. But let's see if Huawei redeems themselves.
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They have got water resistance, they just don't put a rating on it. But I assure you that is there 100% check out the dip tests that have been done 100% of times

arty_a said:
Can't really help you with that, mate, sorry...
Stopped playing around with root/android about 2 years ago. In fact, the last time I rooted a phone was on android 7... I like my banking apps running on my phone and really don't think rooting the phone has any advantages, but does add certain security concerns.
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I use my banking apps with root.
Things I need.
Root access to files for tweaks.
Page file removal
Bloat removal
Ad removal ( I can't tell you how much I don't like adverts)
Mods that Devs miss (CRT animation, Audio Boost etc)
Custom ROMs: more efficient, faster, feature rich
Latest OS
Early releases
If I didn't mod my phone using root id be bored in weeks (which I am) or I'd buy an IPhone.
First works for me on root, I just agreed when the notification same up.
For the ones that don't, the mobile version of the web page works perfectly for me, dependent on bank of course.
The trade off just isn't worth it for me especially with emui which is abysmally tedious and something I'd love to just delete from history.

dladz said:
They have got water resistance, they just don't put a rating on it. But I assure you that is there 100% check out the dip tests that have been done 100% of times
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I mean, it is, but it is SPLASH proof. But still, i might take oneplus in consideration. Maybe oneplus 8?

The Restless Soul said:
I mean, it is, but it is SPLASH proof. But still, i might take oneplus in consideration. Maybe oneplus 8?
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Again no, check the videos pal..submersed and functional..
The nexus 6 was the same.
Google it. Don't take my word for it.
I'm aiming for the 8