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I haven't received my Galaxy S yet but everytime I use my friend's I think the screen is just too blueish. Mostly the white parts. And I also think a "square field" is visible all over the screen. Is this because the resolution is too low compared to the size?
The phone itself is great so I still want it, but I'm afraid the screen will make me disapointed, especially since I've read so much about the Super AMOLED is so great.
Are all Galaxy S' screens like this?
What is the "square field"? please explain better.
And let's start from clearing the point of resolution/size-
800X480 is more than enough to go up to 7". If anything, it might be the pentile matrix that the screen uses.
I guess it's these "squares" I see: http://www.engadget.com/photos/iphone-4-vs-samsung-galaxy-s-display-face-off/#3115591
You're probably right that it's more the pentile matrix I notice more than lack of resolution.
I cant understand why many reviews says this screen is very good when it's very noticable.
I've seen mentions of different Galaxy S phones having different colour temperatures, though mine seems fairly cool.
PenTile does, unfortunately, make text less sharp, and there is a bit of a screen-door effect (I think that's the term you're looking for). It's a tradeoff for having a Super AMOLED screen - excellent contrast and very bright, but not as good as a TFT for text. I've become accustomed to it though, despite my misgivings (but a non-PenTile SAMOLED really would be the best screen without question).
Mithent said:
I've seen mentions of different Galaxy S phones having different colour temperatures, though mine seems fairly cool.
PenTile does, unfortunately, make text less sharp, and there is a bit of a screen-door effect (I think that's the term you're looking for). It's a tradeoff for having a Super AMOLED screen - excellent contrast and very bright, but not as good as a TFT for text. I've become accustomed to it though, despite my misgivings (but a non-PenTile SAMOLED really would be the best screen without question).
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What's the good side with PenTile? And yes, I've searched for "screen-door effect" and it seems as if that is what I'm seeing.
Yes, Galaxy S display seems to have quite high colour temperature. You can sort of calibrate it using the calibration app that was developed for Nexus One a while ago and is now part of CM6, but you have to run Froyo, install it manually and lose video overlay, so it's not really usable right now. Nevertheless I've managed to calibrate my SGS to more or less 6500K using it.
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Yes, Galaxy S display seems to have quite high colour temperature. You can sort of calibrate it using the calibration app that was developed for Nexus One a while ago and is now part of CM6, but you have to run Froyo, install it manually and lose video overlay, so it's not really usable right now. Nevertheless I've managed to calibrate my SGS to more or less 6500K using it.
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What is the downside of losing video overlay?
Not being able to play back videos and shoot pictures and videos Or, to be precise - you can do all of that, but all you see is white screen
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Not being able to play back videos and shoot pictures and videos Or, to be precise - you can do all of that, but all you see is white screen
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Oh. Well, guess I'm not going with that solution then
But since it can be done through software, does it mean that Samsung could make an update and fix this?
I had this on my old galaxy S and coming from the x10's tft it was painfully obvious the white colour had a blue/green tint to it. I then got it replaced and the tint was still there but not so obvious. Now after a while the white colour looks perfect white. I think my eyes have adjusted or something.
rocketpaul said:
I had this on my old galaxy S and coming from the x10's tft it was painfully obvious the white colour had a blue/green tint to it. I then got it replaced and the tint was still there but not so obvious now after a while the white colour looks perfect white. I think my eyes have adjusted or something.
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Ok, guess I'll have to wait until I get my before I know how bad it is.
My friend got a blueish Galaxy S I9000. Mine isnt that much!! Next to his looks like mine is Redish, but mine next to my Monitor looks blueish! I believe some Screens have more blue tint than others
Mine is very white. Put the phone on a white screen (using a screen torch app) and the screen looks whiter than a piece of white paper.
Hey all, keep us updated if there's any application that can change the color temperature without affecting the functionality.
I got the phone a few days ago and my friend's is defenitly more blueish than mine. I dont notice the screen-door effect anymore so I'm very very happy with it.
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I´ve read something on a German Mobile Phone Review Site (don´t know the which one it was now) and they said, that this is normal, because of the AMOLED Tecnology. They said that the Colors will loose the intensity over the years and as blue is the most energetic Color in the spectrum it looses faster the intensity. That is why it looks now maybe a little bit diferent. After a while it should normalise, because it was planned by the manufactures.
Ok found the Site. Heres the translation:
Higher blue components of the display of the Galaxy S may have been deliberately created by Samsung with the idea that the blue OLEDs are aging much faster than green or red. After months of use should mitigate this effect and color balance to be balanced.
djr83 said:
But since it can be done through software, does it mean that Samsung could make an update and fix this?
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They could do that if they wanted to, yes. But don't expect them to do so, I don't think colour temperature is of any importance to them if it stays within usable range.
zeusalmighty said:
Hey all, keep us updated if there's any application that can change the color temperature without affecting the functionality.
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Got this tip a while ago on some other thread - you can start Video player, play some video, go to Settings and change the Colour tone to Warm. It stays changed even when you leave the player. It's not perfect, but it helps a bit.
rocketpaul said:
I had this on my old galaxy S and coming from the x10's tft it was painfully obvious the white colour had a blue/green tint to it. I then got it replaced and the tint was still there but not so obvious. Now after a while the white colour looks perfect white. I think my eyes have adjusted or something.
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Actually, YES! Your eye do adjust to the white that you are looking at.
You've been doing this all of your life and haven't noticed it. The light in the morning is a very different color than the light at noon. In the morning, it is likely very red if the weather is good, and very white at noon... yet everything looks normal to you... because your eyes adapt to the color.
Adjusting to your screen is the same way. But compare it side by side with another screen and one or the other is going to look "wrong", usually the one you haven't been staring at all day!
djr83 said:
I got the phone a few days ago and my friend's is defenitly more blueish than mine. I dont notice the screen-door effect anymore so I'm very very happy with it.
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Congratulations, your brain has created a special filter, using a process called "adaption", by the human vision scientists, that blocks the screen-door effect. You didn't know it, but your brain created one years ago that blocked out the 'striped-lawn' effect caused by the columns of RGB subpixels on conventional color displays. That 'striped-lawn' effect was just as visible the first time you saw one, but that was likely many years ago.
Okay so this blue tint thing is somewhat strange, still no clear answers.
Some people are saying "this is normal for super amoleds." I have to disagree. If this was normal, then every single Super Amoled would have this blue tint. I've put my samsung galaxy s vibrant side by side next to the samsung galaxy s epic, fascinate, captivate and other vibrants. Some have a blue tint, and others don't. Others have nice rich whites, while some like mine have a blue tint.
Makes no sense, so I'm not buying the "all super amoleds have this blue tint" statement. They don't all have them!
I've used my phone for over 2 months now, and the blue tint is not fading at all. Something else people said. I don't plan to keep this phone for 10 years, waiting for the blue to fade, I want nice white now, not blue whites.
Anyone have any updates on this blue tint some galaxy s phones show?
I've been looking into buying a white N-7000 off ebay but everywhere I look, it's at least $40 more than the black one? I'm seeing black ones for ~$575 and white ones for ~$615.
Because it's way cooler, and because they can!!!
Not being an A-hat, that's the real reason. Supply and demand.
kraz
Because what you perceive as white, isn't really white. In the reflective light scheme, What we "think" is white, really isn't white. It's reflecting ALL colors. If an object is red, it reflects red, and absorbs all other colors. Therefore, to make a white object appear white, they have to have a special paint that will reflect the entire visible spectrum of light, not an easy task. The covers you see in other colors except black, actually started off as white, but failed the test, which is why you see so many other colors available. It isn't easy mixing a color to plastic, to get it to reflect white. Some end up as black, blue, pink, green because they didn't come out right in the manufacturing process.
I really need to lay off the Mt. Dew....you think?
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Because what you perceive as white, isn't really white. In the reflective light scheme, What we "think" is white, really isn't white. It's reflecting ALL colors. If an object is red, it reflects red, and absorbs all other colors. Therefore, to make a white object appear white, they have to have a special paint that will reflect the entire visible spectrum of light, not an easy task. The covers you see in other colors except black, actually started off as white, but failed the test, which is why you see so many other colors available. It isn't easy mixing a color to plastic, to get it to reflect white. Some end up as black, blue, pink, green because they didn't come out right in the manufacturing process.
I really need to lay off the Mt. Dew....you think?
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DAFUQ! Awesome explanation bro!
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I've been looking into buying a white N-7000 off ebay but everywhere I look, it's at least $40 more than the black one? I'm seeing black ones for ~$575 and white ones for ~$615.
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Because in this day and age people can't figure out that you can buy a $10 white cover and make a device whatever color you want.
Black is powerful. In my opinion, white is cheap.
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Nice explanation. Its a fair one. However there are more possibilities:
Price is dependant of supply and demand, if demand is higher they can increase price. This is classic economic thinking.
Or they want to tap into more revenue by offering exclusitivity. Create a wanna have because less people have it because its more expensive. Make it special by feauture/price lol.
Or back to supply demand theory, demand x + price y delivers revenue. If you want to keep that and increase revenue, cater to lower demand but higher price. Or cater to even higher volume at lower price. This last is not that attractive psychology wise for the same product model. I think its called catching the market surplus.
Or copy the path Iphone went, first black edition, then stimulate demand with white edition. Probably for reasons in previous paragraph
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Is It?
Here in India both cost the same. Demographic Marketing I guess?
It depends. Here in Poland the black model is more expensive. White models are cheaper and generally very easy to buy cause there's always a lot of white ones on online auctions etc.
Demographic i guess, people here seem not to like white phones. And it happens with other models too ( Galaxy S2 white model is almost 1/4 cheaper )
i agree.....white rules! ......got white
krazman325 said:
Because it's way cooler, and because they can!!!
Not being an A-hat, that's the real reason. Supply and demand.
kraz
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Anyone having the same issue as me? Cause it seems that My set that I just gotten today (Green color) has the usual yellow tint that is slightly visible, but not as serious as the z2. Can be seen when placed side by side the retail demos of z3 and z3c, it seemed like there may be different manufacturers for the display as well. It's not cool white anymore.
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Anyone having the same issue as me? Cause it seems that My set that I just gotten today (Green color) has the usual yellow tint that is slightly visible, but not as serious as the z2. Can be seen when placed side by side the retail demos of z3 and z3c, it seemed like there may be different manufacturers for the display as well. It's not cool white anymore.
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Yes there are different manufacturer, mine also has less white whites than another unit. But overall mine has better contrast so... As for the yellow screen it is not necessarily a bad calibration as displays whites are usually too blue in comparison to daylight "real white".
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Yes there are different manufacturer, mine also has less white whites than another unit. But overall mine has better contrast so... As for the yellow screen it is not necessarily a bad calibration as displays whites are usually too blue in comparison to daylight "real white".
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Ahhh I know right. The color actually looks decent, due to it being slightly yellow, but mine has slightly more yellow, nearing the z2 one. So I'm going to go down service center to check tomorrow.
If you're colorblind, please disregard this thread. Rate this thread to express how you deem the color saturation and accuracy of the Google Pixel 2's display. A higher rating indicates that you think that color accuracy is very high and saturation is excellent.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Some brief observations about Pixel 2's display (in Natural and Boosted color modes):
+ Max brightness is pretty bright, and should provide adequate visibility in most conditions.
+ Nice, deep, inky, and uniform black, just as you'd expect from an OLED.
- Pure green (#00FF00) renders considerably lighter and paler than reference. Using my eyes alone, I can't tell how much of this is due to undersaturation vs color inaccuracy. The result is that elements that are mostly green (e.g. Google Hangouts icon, plant life in photos) sometimes look noticeably less vibrant in comparison to other elements on the screen.
- Red is undersaturated relative to the other colors. This is evidenced by the green tint that is clearly visible when viewing yellow and orange colors. Deep reds skew slightly purple as well.
- The display's color temperature appears cool in all but the brightest of indoor viewing conditions. I'm sure it looks neutral (i.e. great) under the blaring fluorescent lights of an electronics store, but isn't as well suited for home or office viewing. Some people prefer cooler colors. I'm of the mind that neutral or very slightly warm color temperature displays are much easier on the eyes and more visually appealing.
Most 2017 OLED smartphone displays I've seen have the problems I've listed, albeit to varying degrees. I'd chalk it up to the difficulties inherent to OLED screens, but past experience suggests otherwise: I've owned OLED phones with better color accuracy all the way back to 2013. It seems like things really got worse this year. Not sure if its the displays themselves or the color profiles being applied.
Using the new Saturated color mode swings the color temperature to a more neutral position, but the resulting appearance is way too saturated in general for my liking, and it doesn't completely resolve the issue of inaccurate reds.
I'm disappointed, as the display's color issues cause it to fall short of what I expect to find on a phone in Pixel 2's price range. I haven't decided yet whether I'm going to keep it.
Yellow!
Receive mine today, and the colour calibration was way off... I thought it a little yellow at first, and perhaps the beach on the default wallpaper might be influencing my judgement. Installed a few aps, played around with the settings, and then compared it with my previous phone and oh dear - it was clearly very yellow. Greys in particular looked awful, and whites like aged paper rather than white. So disappointing.
I also compared the colours with my aging Nexus 7, and that looked much better too, as do my various monitors. I've RMA'd the device, and will give one more a go before deciding whether to keep it. Such a shame - one of the main reasons I went for a 2 rather than a 2 XL was the supposedly better display... And if only Google would allow us to calibrate the colours ourselves, I could probably have resolved the issue myself.
Color calibration is indeed terrible.
Comparing it to me previous phone, google pixel XL. It makes some colors fade in such a weird and ugly way.
I cant stand it
Can anybody confirm whether the different models (S10E, S10, S10+) share the exact same shades of color? I don't know if my eyes are playing tricks on me, but for example, I've noticed that the Prism Black color is actually a deep shade of navy in the S10e, whereas the regular S10 is a deep dark gray. Any thoughts?