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I just got my Note stolen a few hours ago, I am so pissed right now, but hey what can I do... I live in Nicaragua, so no warranty and no police claim will get it back for me...
Tomorrow I will call my carrier and see if I can block my phone through IMEI number so the son of a **** that stole it cannot use it...
I never kept my gps enabled unless I was using it so no tracking software will be able to track my phone, I already blocked my number with my carrier so I guess there is not much I can do to track it, but I would like to sign out of everything on my phone, and I was just wondering if I changed passwords on every service installed on my phone would the theif still be able to login if I had checked the "remember me" or "stayed logged in" options?
Thanks,
Chaosin1983 said:
I just got my Note stolen a few hours ago, I am so pissed right now, but hey what can I do... I live in Nicaragua, so no warranty and no police claim will get it back for me...
Tomorrow I will call my carrier and see if I can block my phone through IMEI number so the son of a **** that stole it cannot use it...
I never kept my gps enabled unless I was using it so no tracking software will be able to track my phone, I already blocked my number with my carrier so I guess there is not much I can do to track it, but I would like to sign out of everything on my phone, and I was just wondering if I changed passwords on every service installed on my phone would the theif still be able to login if I had checked the "remember me" or "stayed logged in" options?
Thanks,
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Try to install plan b from the market. You can install it remotely from Google play using a web browser and should be able to get the GPS coordinates of your phone providing the thief has not removed your Google account. Do it asap to increase your chances.
+1 Good idea, However The phone will need to have internet access to receive the remote download.
Dont suppose you had Lookout installed ?? On my device it is un-installable, and i can remotely turn GPS on / off, Track the phone, Wipe everything, Lock the device, and even make the phone scream !! (useful for when you are tracking and a close enough to hear it)
I hope you get it back !!
Changing the password won't let the thief use any of the services you have logged into. The app should request him for the new password. Do it ASAP!
I feel for you man! Had my iPod touch, Optimus 2X and Galaxy SII stolen!
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first of all sorry you, that's one of the worst things that can happen to a phone.
if you think the theft is using your phone only with a different simcard you have the following options:
- try planb (as already mentioned above) to locate your phone.
- if you have a google account on the phone, try android lost that will gain you the full control over the phone including locating it, taking photos of the cameras and wiping the complete data of the device out. its a really great tool .
- if you have a Samsung account on your phone, try the samsung dive website with this you can also do things like locating or wiping data view call logs and so on.
if all the above fail you should change the passwords of all your accounts used on the phone, especially the email accounts. also try to contact your provider, really few of them provide a location service based on the imei number of the device. and also some of them offer the service to put the device's imei number to a ban list so the phone is useless at all because it cant login in to the gsm network.
*EDIT*: go to the police and let them give you a document that the phone is stolen, and the imei and serial numbers. give this document to samsung and they will put the device to a blacklist, so the device wont get service/support/repair anymore.
i hope some of this become useful to you
Best thing would be to:
1- Track it (with the app said above) or with Samsung Dive!
2- Find the perp
3- Beat him with a cow bone
4- Retrieve the phone
5- Send it to me for inspection
Hi guys, thanks for your help, I installed Plan B a few hours after the OP, but still no email...I would gladly beat the crap out of the theif, but I fear I won't see my note again, I have already ordered another one, this time I will install every tracking anti theft app available...
Anyhow, after this, I installed Lookout on my Girlfriends Note, and tried out the tracking, the tracking is not that accurate, it positions the phone within a 2 Km radius...any other app that would be more accurate?
Thanks,
Im using avast and i have to say its working well, it has a ton of features, you can make mobile data persistent with a single text making tracking that bit more accurate
combine it with the screaming feature of lookout and you should be able to hear it if you are close enough.
Try samsung dive
http://www.samsungdive.com
Lol samsung dive will dissapear when factory reset
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Little late for the original poster but Cerberus is a nice app too. I got in on a free promotion. I have it activated and don't even think about till I get an email saying that I changed my sim. You can remotely hide the app, wipe phone/sdcard have a login screen pop up appear, record video and or audio and map in real time.
Even though I think tracking your kids is creepy, I can see how some parents would love to install it on their kid's phone.
Thanks again for all the info, I will try all these once my new phone gets here.
I have a question though, all of these tracking apps need data connection on the cel phone's side...correct? What if the theif turns off data connection? Is there one that works with only GPS?
Well in avast, you can remotely activate data network even if the thief switches it off, It also has stealth mode where it hides all traces of being installed.
If you are rooted it can even withstand a factory reset.
Chaosin1983 said:
Thanks again for all the info, I will try all these once my new phone gets here.
I have a question though, all of these tracking apps need data connection on the cel phone's side...correct? What if the theif turns off data connection? Is there one that works with only GPS?
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GPS also needs data connectivity.
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GPS also needs data connectivity.
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I've used GPS trakcing with data off before ...it will track you even if the map does not render...afterwards when you get connectivity the map will be displayed along with your tracking info.
GPS don't requires data connection thogh, tracking won't work without data connection.
GPS fix the position without data connection, but for tracking you need to pass that information to server, which needs data connection.
can i unblock a samsung galaxy note ?
hey everyone !
so i got scammed in ebay and i got a samsung galaxy note n7000. the guy said it worked perfectly and stuff...buuut no !! when i got the phone it wont read any sim card so i just figured it was from the sim card reader. when i took it to my retailer they told me the phone was stolen/lost and the original owner kinda blocked it so no one can use it. i have access to the phone and everything except that it wont read my sim card. i contacted the guy i got from on ebay and filed a claim and everything but i know these things can take FOREVER before i can get my money back. the guy i got it from told me he bought on ebay too in november 2012. i dont wanna sell the phone again on ebay and scam more people i tried looking for the original owner so we can figure out a deal but i couldnt.
is there anyway i can fix this phone ?!! or can i contact the samsung store maybe and they can find the original owner ?!! please help...anyone ?!!!
Strange. Post could be chameleon or possibly victim of stolen phone.
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salmavic said:
hey everyone !
so i got scammed in ebay and i got a samsung galaxy note n7000. the guy said it worked perfectly and stuff...buuut no !! when i got the phone it wont read any sim card so i just figured it was from the sim card reader. when i took it to my retailer they told me the phone was stolen/lost and the original owner kinda blocked it so no one can use it. i have access to the phone and everything except that it wont read my sim card. i contacted the guy i got from on ebay and filed a claim and everything but i know these things can take FOREVER before i can get my money back. the guy i got it from told me he bought on ebay too in november 2012. i dont wanna sell the phone again on ebay and scam more people i tried looking for the original owner so we can figure out a deal but i couldnt.
is there anyway i can fix this phone ?!! or can i contact the samsung store maybe and they can find the original owner ?!! please help...anyone ?!!!
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maybe, but how do I know you didnt steal it yourself/know you bought a stolen phone?
Salmavic please return that phone to chaosin! Lol jk
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Long story short, my first HTC One had dead pixels so I warranty exchanged it. Stupidly, I assumed T-Mobile would factory reset my phone before selling it as a refurb, but no. A few days ago, I started getting random instant uploads on my Google+. Then, my Facebook was locked due to account activity in MEXICO (also where the photos were located), and now, I checked my Gmail, and there are sent messages to random people I do not know. I have changed my passwords, but what I'm wondering is, can T-Mobile really get away with this? They took a phone they knowingly know was defective, did not even turn it on to look at it or reset it, and sold it (or gave it) to some guy in Mexico.
What can I do? Who knows what sensitive information that person took? Obviously, since they've been using my account, they couldn't possibly think they were using their own account. T-Mobile is not open for customer support until the morning, but I'm FREAKING OUT and absolutely furious that something like this was allowed to happen.
first of all that really sucks that that happened. i cant imagine what that other person in "mexico" could have taken from your personal info wise....
i would call them and see what happened. make sure to also monitor your credit. you never know what they could have taken.
that is a pretty ridiculous breach of private info if you ask me
I feel bad for you that this happened. But really you should have done the factory reset before you sent it back. There is no way I would send my phone without doing this
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Obviously, to all those detractors, I normally reset my phone before sending it in for repairs/exchange. It slipped my mind this time; screw me for assuming the big phone company would handle things correctly, huh?
In any case, the instant upload photos have EXIF and location data pinpointing the exact location of the photos. It'd be hard for them to argue that it's not coming from my previous phone when:
1. I have emails being sent from my account to people I have never spoken to
2. I'm not in Mexico; I'm in Virginia
3. My Facebook was also locked due to being accessed... from Mexico
I'm about to call T-Mobile (after eating breakfast). Wish me luck.
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Obviously, to all those detractors, I normally reset my phone before sending it in for repairs/exchange. It slipped my mind this time; screw me for assuming the big phone company would handle things correctly, huh?
In any case, the instant upload photos have EXIF and location data pinpointing the exact location of the photos. It'd be hard for them to argue that it's not coming from my previous phone when:
1. I have emails being sent from my account to people I have never spoken to
2. I'm not in Mexico; I'm in Virginia
3. My Facebook was also locked due to being accessed... from Mexico
I'm about to call T-Mobile (after eating breakfast). Wish me luck. And thanks, everyone, for calling me stupid.
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Go for it and let us know what happens. Expect to speak with a supervisor, because a normal employee most likely legitimately won't be able to help your situation. Know what you're going to ask them for (compensation or whatever it is you're looking for).
I know that at AT&T, they reset your device when you exchange it.
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No reason for calling anybody stupid. It might have not been the best idea, but still we can keep a civilized tone here.
cheers
So I just had a conversation with a T-Mobile representative. He claims to have spoken with T-Mobile engineers and HTC representatives, and they all told him that there was nothing they could do. The T-Mobile guy pinned the blame on HTC, saying it's their responsibility to wipe phones before sending them back to T-Mobile for selling. Either way, I also discovered the IMEI for my old phone was still linked to my account, even though I've since received a replacement device with a new IMEI. Apparently, there was nothing he could do with that information either.
So, he just says they'll "keep an eye out" on my account looking for suspicious activity. I think I'll call back later and explicitly ask for a manager (this time I figured he could do something with the IMEI). I would have asked for the manager, but I have work to do, after all.
Is there anything they should be able to do with the IMEI? They said they can't wipe the phone anymore without the actual device, and they have NO IDEA who the phone belongs to now. You'd think they keep track of that sort of thing.
That really stinks that they would resell without resetting the phone. I have Cerberus installed as a hidden system app on all our phones, can remotely lock, locate, and factory reset if need be. Well worth it.
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So I just had a conversation with a T-Mobile representative. He claims to have spoken with T-Mobile engineers and HTC representatives, and they all told him that there was nothing they could do. The T-Mobile guy pinned the blame on HTC, saying it's their responsibility to wipe phones before sending them back to T-Mobile for selling. Either way, I also discovered the IMEI for my old phone was still linked to my account, even though I've since received a replacement device with a new IMEI. Apparently, there was nothing he could do with that information either.
So, he just says they'll "keep an eye out" on my account looking for suspicious activity. I think I'll call back later and explicitly ask for a manager (this time I figured he could do something with the IMEI). I would have asked for the manager, but I have work to do, after all.
Is there anything they should be able to do with the IMEI? They said they can't wipe the phone anymore without the actual device, and they have NO IDEA who the phone belongs to now. You'd think they keep track of that sort of thing.
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They're just playing the blame game. I'd believe them when they say it's HTC's responsibility (sounds reasonable), but HTC might say the reverse, that it's T-Mobile's responsibility. Like I said, unless you have some sort of compensation in mind, they're probably not going to offer you anything. Checking for "suspicious activity" on your T-Mobile account is useless since it's not even on your account anymore. The IMEI number might be able to be blacklisted so it can't be used on T-Mobile (and soon in the US altogether), but that's about it really.
There are a few apps that let you track down a phone after it's lost, but here's one that actually lets you WIPE it afterwards. Provided the guy still has your Google account on the phone, you should be able to install this via Google Play on your computer (the phone should still be associated on your account) and then wipe it. It'll say the name of the carrier it's on in Mexico followed by "HTC One."
http://lifehacker.com/android-lost-controls-your-stolen-phone-even-after-you-511903024
Don't change your Google passwords yet because it needs your Google account to work. Afterwards, you can change all your passwords.
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That really stinks that they would resell without resetting the phone. I have Cerberus installed as a hidden system app on all our phones, can remotely lock, locate, and factory reset if need be. Well worth it.
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Yeah, I had already installed Cerberus. Problem is, I removed the phone from my Cerberus account because I wrongly assumed I wouldn't need it anymore. If I had kept it installed and on my account for just a few days longer, I'd be able to lock the phone, but alas.
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They're just playing the blame game. I'd believe them when they say it's HTC's responsibility (sounds reasonable), but HTC might say the reverse, that it's T-Mobile's responsibility. Like I said, unless you have some sort of compensation in mind, they're probably not going to offer you anything. Checking for "suspicious activity" on your T-Mobile account is useless since it's not even on your account anymore. The IMEI number might be able to be blacklisted so it can't be used on T-Mobile (and soon in the US altogether), but that's about it really.
There are a few apps that let you track down a phone after it's lost, but here's one that actually lets you WIPE it afterwards. Provided the guy still has your Google account on the phone, you should be able to install this via Google Play on your computer (the phone should still be associated on your account) and then wipe it. It'll say the name of the carrier it's on in Mexico followed by "HTC One."
http://lifehacker.com/android-lost-controls-your-stolen-phone-even-after-you-511903024
Don't change your Google passwords yet because it needs your Google account to work. Afterwards, you can change all your passwords.
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I've already changed my passwords. I assume changing my password back to my original wouldn't work, since it would still require the person with my phone to log on with it? Also, the SIM was of course removed, so I can't use that app, since I don't know the phone number of the person now carrying the old phone.
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Yeah, I had already installed Cerberus. Problem is, I removed the phone from my Cerberus account because I wrongly assumed I wouldn't need it anymore. If I had kept it installed and on my account for just a few days longer, I'd be able to lock the phone, but alas.
I've already changed my passwords. I assume changing my password back to my original wouldn't work, since it would still require the person with my phone to log on with it? Also, the SIM was of course removed, so I can't use that app, since I don't know the phone number of the person now carrying the old phone.
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I don't think changing your password back would work. You don't need a SIM card in the phone for it to work. It needs any data connection (e.g. Wifi).
I have a unique issue with my Nexus 6 purchase on Motorola.com. I purchased my Nexus 6 and received it in the mail. After receiving the device, I was able to insert my Verizon sim and use the device. A day after receiving the device, I decided to purchase moto care on the device. I followed the steps from their website, signed into my profile and never get an option to purchase the moto care package for the phone. I have called motorola at least 5 times now to remedy the issue and they can't figure out the problem.
In addition to their website issues with purchasing the moto care package, I noticed that on my debit card statement the phone purchase was taken off of my statements and the amount I purchased the phone was not debited. While I was waiting for my phone, I saw the amount get debited off my account and now it's gone. All kinds of weird is happening with these purchases.
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I have a unique issue with my Nexus 6 purchase on Motorola.com. I purchased my Nexus 6 and received it in the mail. After receiving the device, I was able to insert my Verizon sim and use the device. A day after receiving the device, I decided to purchase moto care on the device. I followed the steps from their website, signed into my profile and never get an option to purchase the moto care package for the phone. I have called motorola at least 5 times now to remedy the issue and they can't figure out the problem.
In addition to their website issues with purchasing the moto care package, I noticed that on my debit card statement the phone purchase was taken off of my statements and the amount I purchased the phone was not debited. While I was waiting for my phone, I saw the amount get debited off my account and now it's gone. All kinds of weird is happening with these purchases.
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Option 1: You could try revoking the Motorola website login connect on you Google account page and re sign up.
Option 2: Sign up with a different gmail or email account on Motorola support then register the IMEI # of the Nexus 6 on that account.
I was on call support for 30 mins trying different things and the last option was the only one that worked. The first option was said to work for some people.
I tried option 2 and I still can't get to that page.
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Same for me
I have tried signing up for moto care about five time since receiving their offer email on Dec 5. Absolutely no luck. Once I got as far as registering the device, but it didn't like my IMEI (keep in mind that I purchased it from motorola.com). Can't even add the device My Stuff, because Verizon isn't a value in the drop down box.
Was in a chat with CR yesterday and he was unable to resolve the issue. He told me that someone from insurance would call within an hour and, guess what, nobody called.
My frustration grows, as I'm sure that the process will exceed the 30 day purchase window and for me will no longer be a valid option.
That is unacceptable and I would raise hell if this happens.
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Same exact thing happened to me. I've used the chat with them 3 times and called once. Still having the issue. They said i should still be able to add it on. They also said i should be able to call tomorrow and add it, but i doubt that'll be the case. This is all kinds of FUBAR and regardless, to make it good customer service, it should be added on regardless of time frame, since there is plenty of record of me trying to add it. Only makes sense.
I would hope you're right.
CS does seem receptive. However, I have been promised a call back from their higher tiered (forgot the name) CS twice now "within the hour" of my call and have gone unfulfilled. Hate to say it, but I'm having flashbacks to Comcast CS. Getting real tedious.
Same here, I get to the pop up that says "Still in Security, scroll down and select Device administrators and activate Motorola Device Policy" but that does not exist on my phone.
I have chatted and called them also, sent me through the same hoops, suppose to call me back ...
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Well, it seems Motorola does not have this issue figured out. I called. They promised to call me back every day that the issue is still unresolved. Hope for the best...
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Motorola seems to be trying to address the problem. I can now type my IMEI number and get a successful response from the website. But it is a false positive because my N6 still is not showing up in MyStuff.
Here's the weird trick I used to purchase MotoCar for my N6.
I use both macs and PCs. After failure after failure on both platforms I tried one last thing. Using safari on my mac I went to the "my stuff" page. It failed to load after several attempts, like everyone else. Then I selected the entire page to be shown in the mac dashboard.
When I opened my dashboard, sure enough, there was the loaded Moto "my stuff" windowed page loaded and working. I then went to add devices and from there, within dashboard, I selected my N6 and added MotoCare.
Can anyone else try this and let me know if it works? I've been reading this thread for weeks and have been hesitant to tell others to try it because it doesn't make sense that it did work.
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Same here, I get to the pop up that says "Still in Security, scroll down and select Device administrators and activate Motorola Device Policy" but that does not exist on my phone.
I have chatted and called them also, sent me through the same hoops, suppose to call me back ...
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I have the same issue. I can't add my phone to "My Stuff" because there is no option under Device Administrators on my device to activate Motorola Device Policy!!
I've had multiple conversations with Motorola and I've been getting the run around. Can't believe how big of a headache this has been.
I have tried everything and cant get my devices to show up under My devices. I have a ticket in and every time I call they just say that someone will call me back but no one does. Been working on this since the 14th of December.
I was able to get my device added (supposedly) just a few minutes ago. I selected "Don't Know" for my device and then entered my IMEI and on the next page rather than giving me directions to activate the "Motorola Device Policy" it simply had my IMEI in a text field with an "Add It" button. After clicking said button I was congratulated on adding my device to My Stuff...but
It still does not show up in the My Stuff page. Frankly, I'm getting pretty pissed about this....
I managed to get mine into my stuff after encountering the difficulties mentioned here. I think i added the device logged into in my motocare forums id and added the device through my profile. Make sure you are allowing popups from the moto site. Ibget the option to purchase moto care. Problem is i purchased it already when i got the device. I opened a ticket for that.
Ill try post the exact instructions i used if i can walk thru them later. I know I was on my laptop.
Well, after all the garbage I went through last night entering my IMEI multiple unsuccessful times, I logged in again this morning and had 5 duplicate devices in my stuff and was able to purchase the protection plan and remove the duplicates. It would seem the problem has been resolved... Hopefully
So it would seem the device was indeed added but there is a delay before it would show up. I don't know if it makes a difference but I could not see it in Chrome on my phone. I had to use boat browser set to desktop user agent.
Ok I was able buy moto care and got my nexus6 added to mystuff by getting my device registered @ Motorola Support Forums Device Registration.
I can't post the links
I hate posting in forums, so please understand that this posting comes after many many hours of researching and attempting different fixes. Can someone please help me sort this out and get me up and running again. I will be brief and direct hopefully including all necessary info for you.
Device is N920A, AT&T
Was in the process of transferring my data on a 32GB to my wife's phone, a 64GB..
Ran the reset it came back up, used it for a few minutes, it ran update and locked me out.
THE PROBLEM
When googles wonderful FRP wants to verify the accounts, it will not accept and of the old accounts of neither my wife's or mine.
I was able to pull it up on one of my accounts Device Manager. When I lock it with new passcode and message,
It displays the message on the screen but wont unlock.
Tried again and noticed in Device Manager it said no new passcode was needed because previous lock PIN still existed.
Reset AGAIN... No longer finds phone attached to any google account.
EVEN BIGGER PROBLEM
Just got the phone back from repair shop where they swapped motherboards with my phone and my wife's phone.
Reason for this? Originally 64gb device had cracked screen Insurance would not replace with 64gb because it was discontinued. Cracked screen was $300 to replace, swapping motherboards only cost me $80. I haven't even swapped the IMEI numbers with AT&T, but phones did work upon getting home and resetting .
PLEASE let me know what I can do. Need this phone for work ASAP.
Someone took the Note 9 away from my pocket.
I had logged in to my samsung account to trace it.
It was showing not in network for some days now it totally disappeared from samsung findmymobile site.
How can I find/get it back?
FRP Lock
Sorry that you might not be able to get it back, someone intentionally theft the phone. However, you can file a police report and your SIM card carrier to block the IMEI number of the phone, so that it can't be used on other networks.
But before that, make sure your data won't be in the hands of wrong person. Login to your Samsung account and lock the device, which does the FRP lock and there won't be a way thief would access your data.
On a side note, I found the advantage of galaxy watch (or gear S3) which has find my phone option. Immediately after you lost the phone you can activate find my phone in watch and the phone will start ringing loud.
What are the chances to get it back after police complaint
Can someone change IMEI of phone?
Can the phone be tracked if someone starts using it?
technointellects said:
What are the chances to get it back after police complaint
Can someone change IMEI of phone?
Can the phone be tracked if someone starts using it?
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it only can be traced if your accounts are active i.e Samsung account and Gmail account, but please note the data connection also needs to be enabled!
Did you have a passcode or pin or iris or fingerprint enabled ? Also did you have network lock enabled ?
if you had no lock enabled and the phone has gone off the network that means the thief has factory reset your phone, and he using his owm email account that’s why you cannot track it!
So it's gone for ever!
So what about IMEI tracking? Wouldn't it be of any help?
I had heard that even after factory reset if the theif inserts a new SIM card he can be traced by IMEI number.
What are the chances?
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So what about IMEI tracking? Wouldn't it be of any help?
I had heard that even after factory reset if the theif inserts a new SIM card he can be traced by IMEI number.
What are the chances?
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Cops can do that, track an imei using the carrier but we as common people don't have access.
I feel like you should treat it as gone unless you are unable to use find my phone,
The cops might be able to get your phone back using the imei if you registered a complaint but it takes a while.
I remember my phone (note 3 unlocked snapdragon) got stolen in a Mumbai local train on 12/26/16 & I registered a complaint and got a new phone (Zuk z2 plus) on 1/28/17.
The number of days I lived without the phone were the days I tried my best to use find my phone or track the phone in any way but it was switched off whenever I tried to track it.
The cops got the phone and returned it to me on 12/17 [i don't remember the exact date but it was after 20th], I was using note 7 ported rom before the theft but when I received it, it had the stock note 3 rom which means they flashed it with Odin since the kernel was back to stock as well.
I used the phone as a remote for the television since it had an IR blaster and now on 11/06/19 it died the display doesn't turn on [probably hardware failure but don't care anymore ]
I switched from Zuk z2 to note 9 [128 Exynos] on June 8th & have changed the country too :silly:
My point is they may never even turn it on without flashing it & the moment they get your phone, 10 mins in & it is probably switched off and your sim is out.
Hope you find your phone :fingers-crossed: but don't count on it for too long