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I'm currently on a stable build of Oxygen OS 5.0.2 Oreo and I was thinking of rooting my phone using Magisk.Most of the guides that I've seen had users root using a nougat based version of OOS or they were on beta. I'll have to unlock the bootloader and flash TWRP but this is where the confusion comes in - Can I root a stable build of OOS? Will I have to switch to beta to root? Also, I'm a little scared about whether this DM-Verity issue will arise or not if I try to root or flash TWRP. So can someone please explain what that Issue really is and will it arise in my case? And if someone can just give me a guide on how to root it, I'll really appreciate it. And are there any known issues which arise after successfully rooting OOS 5.0.2?
No obstacles in rooting stable OOS and no problems should arise after doing it. You just need to make a backup of all your data, unlock bootloader, flash TWRP, flash Magisk and go.
If you trigger dm-verity, tyou have two choices - either ignore it on every reboot or follow a guide about removing it.
anshikohri said:
I'm currently on a stable build of Oxygen OS 5.0.2 Oreo and I was thinking of rooting my phone using Magisk.Most of the guides that I've seen had users root using a nougat based version of OOS or they were on beta. I'll have to unlock the bootloader and flash TWRP but this is where the confusion comes in - Can I root a stable build of OOS? Will I have to switch to beta to root? Also, I'm a little scared about whether this DM-Verity issue will arise or not if I try to root or flash TWRP. So can someone please explain what that Issue really is and will it arise in my case? And if someone can just give me a guide on how to root it, I'll really appreciate it. And are there any known issues which arise after successfully rooting OOS 5.0.2?
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All things that you are mentioning show clearly that you didn't pay attention to all the basic info for rooting a 3/3T.
Why do u need a guide for Oreo, when you have a guide for nougat?
It's exactly the same method.
Also DM verity is just a warning, so why to be scared.
Maybe you should avoid doing something that you don't understand.
Unleashed by my rooted OP3T on 8.0
RASTAVIPER said:
All things that you are mentioning show clearly that you didn't pay attention to all the basic info for rooting a 3/3T.
Why do u need a guide for Oreo, when you have a guide for nougat?
It's exactly the same method.
Also DM verity is just a warning, so why to be scared.
Maybe you should avoid doing something that you don't understand.
Unleashed by my rooted OP3T on 8.0
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Well I had a Redmi 2 before this and when I tried to root my lineage Os based on oreo with magisk using the same method I used with Nougat, i bricked my device. So that's why i was a little apprehensive. But thank you for your response.
przemcio510 said:
No obstacles in rooting stable OOS and no problems should arise after doing it. You just need to make a backup of all your data, unlock bootloader, flash TWRP, flash Magisk and go.
If you trigger dm-verity, tyou have two choices - either ignore it on every reboot or follow a guide about removing it.
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Will I run into trouble with xposed or substratum on OOS?
anshikohri said:
Will I run into trouble with xposed or substratum on OOS?
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No, if you use compatible modules and themes. I had no problems using both on OOS. Please note that if you install Xposed, you won't be able to use SafetyNet protected apps (Android Pay, Pokemon Go, Snapchat (you have to login before installing Xposed to make it work) etc.).
anshikohri said:
Well I had a Redmi 2 before this and when I tried to root my lineage Os based on oreo with magisk using the same method I used with Nougat, i bricked my device.
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You aren't being specific enough when you say "same method". The general method is often similar. But you will virtually never use the exact same steps when rooting different Android builds (such as Nouget vs. Oreo). In particular, you always need to use updated versions of files for TWRP and Magisk. By definition, the root exploits will change between Android versions. So using old version Magisk is basically asking for a "soft brick". Not a real brick. It usually just means you need to use the correct version Magisk in order to recover. Or at worst, flash recovery image (or restore TWRP backup - which you should always have a backup of the stock ROM before rooting) then root with the proper files. Don't know anything about your old phone - but I'll guess this is what happened (which is a common enough scenario).
Similarly, you should also use the most current version TWRP. Older versions may sometimes work, depending on the situation. But Oreo (vs. Nougat) in particular, TWRP had to be updated to be compatible. Meaning you must use a Oreo-compatible version of TWRP to avoid problems. Short story, use current version TWRP to avoid problems.
Current versions are:
TWRP 3.2.1-0
Magisk v16.0
Also proceed with the knowledge that this device is very hard to brick. Just flashing TWRP and Magisk will not brick it (not a true brick anyway - a "soft" brick is easy to recover from as already described). Just make sure you are using Magisk for the OP3/3T (not some other device) and the risk is virtually zero. Even in the case of a brick, this device has an unbricking tool. Just be sure to take the following precautions:
- Make a TWRP backup of the stock ROM before you flash Magisk (always amazed at how many folks skip this!) or otherwise have the stock recovery image available in case anything happens. Basically always have a backup plan!
- Find the unbrick tool, and again have it available (at least bookmarked) in case you need it.
- Most importantly, read and understand all the steps and concepts before you begin. As another already mentioned, it seems your knowledge about some of the concepts is a bit lacking.
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anshikohri said:
Most of the guides that I've seen had users root using a nougat based version of OOS or they were on beta.
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Beta or Stable doesn't matter. I don't know if I've ever seen a root guide specific to the Beta version, so I'm not even sure what you are talking about.
As far as the guides being for Nougat, I've already addressed that above. Basically, everything is the same, except the file versions (use updated TWRP, Magisk) so that is why nobody has bothered posting new guides for every OOS build.
anshikohri said:
Also, I'm a little scared about whether this DM-Verity issue will arise or not if I try to root or flash TWRP.
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DM-verity is just a warning screen that appears when you reboot or power-on the phone. It will go away and continue to boot normally after 5 seconds, or just press the power button to dismiss the warning.
Once the phone has TWRP and rooted, you will have the DM-verity warning screen. If you like, you can flash a patched boot image, so you don't see the DM-verity warning screen on reboot/power-on.
You will also have a very similar (but separate) warning screen once the bootloader is unlocked. Unlike the DM-verity screen, the bootloader unlocked warning is impossible to be removed. The only way to remove it is to relock the bootloader, which I would strongly warn you not to do on a modified (TWRP and root) device! The bootloader unlock warning screen is just something you live with if you are rooted (just wait the 5 seconds or press the power button to skip it).
There is also the unlikely event that DM-verity will outright prevent the OS from booting. But this shouldn't happen just from flashing TWRP and Magisk (at least not if you've done it properly). Even if this happens, just restore your TWRP backup, or flash recovery image, and start over - checking what you did (cause you probably did something wrong).
anshikohri said:
And are there any known issues which arise after successfully rooting OOS 5.0.2?
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This is so vague, as to make it hard to figure out what you are even asking.
In short, No.
Long answer: Some apps will not work with root, such as banking apps and Netflix. But the Magisk "Hide" feature should work to conceal root and make these apps work. It's a whole topic in itself, so read up in existing threads if this applies to you, and you want more info.
Other than that, there isn't anything with Magisk root that I would consider an "issue" and make me want to unroot.
redpoint73 said:
You aren't being specific enough when you say "same method". The general method is often similar. But you will virtually never use the exact same steps when rooting different Android builds (such as Nouget vs. Oreo). In particular, you always need to use updated versions of files for TWRP and Magisk. By definition, the root exploits will change between Android versions. So using old version Magisk is basically asking for a "soft brick". Not a real brick. It usually just means you need to use the correct version Magisk in order to recover. Or at worst, flash recovery image (or restore TWRP backup - which you should always have a backup of the stock ROM before rooting) then root with the proper files. Don't know anything about your old phone - but I'll guess this is what happened (which is a common enough scenario).
Similarly, you should also use the most current version TWRP. Older versions may sometimes work, depending on the situation. But Oreo (vs. Nougat) in particular, TWRP had to be updated to be compatible. Meaning you must use a Oreo-compatible version of TWRP to avoid problems. Short story, use current version TWRP to avoid problems.
Current versions are:
TWRP 3.2.1-0
Magisk v16.0
Also proceed with the knowledge that this device is very hard to brick. Just flashing TWRP and Magisk will not brick it (not a true brick anyway - a "soft" brick is easy to recover from as already described). Just make sure you are using Magisk for the OP3/3T (not some other device) and the risk is virtually zero. Even in the case of a brick, this device has an unbricking tool. Just be sure to take the following precautions:
- Make a TWRP backup of the stock ROM before you flash Magisk (always amazed at how many folks skip this!) or otherwise have the stock recovery image available in case anything happens. Basically always have a backup plan!
- Find the unbrick tool, and again have it available (at least bookmarked) in case you need it.
- Most importantly, read and understand all the steps and concepts before you begin. As another already mentioned, it seems your knowledge about some of the concepts is a bit lacking.
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Beta or Stable doesn't matter. I don't know if I've ever seen a root guide specific to the Beta version, so I'm not even sure what you are talking about.
As far as the guides being for Nougat, I've already addressed that above. Basically, everything is the same, except the file versions (use updated TWRP, Magisk) so that is why nobody has bothered posting new guides for every OOS build.
DM-verity is just a warning screen that appears when you reboot or power-on the phone. It will go away and continue to boot normally after 5 seconds, or just press the power button to dismiss the warning.
Once the phone has TWRP and rooted, you will have the DM-verity warning screen. If you like, you can flash a patched boot image, so you don't see the DM-verity warning screen on reboot/power-on.
You will also have a very similar (but separate) warning screen once the bootloader is unlocked. Unlike the DM-verity screen, the bootloader unlocked warning is impossible to be removed. The only way to remove it is to relock the bootloader, which I would strongly warn you not to do on a modified (TWRP and root) device! The bootloader unlock warning screen is just something you live with if you are rooted (just wait the 5 seconds or press the power button to skip it).
There is also the unlikely event that DM-verity will outright prevent the OS from booting. But this shouldn't happen just from flashing TWRP and Magisk (at least not if you've done it properly). Even if this happens, just restore your TWRP backup, or flash recovery image, and start over - checking what you did (cause you probably did something wrong).
This is so vague, as to make it hard to figure out what you are even asking.
In short, No.
Long answer: Some apps will not work with root, such as banking apps and Netflix. But the Magisk "Hide" feature should work to conceal root and make these apps work. It's a whole topic in itself, so read up in existing threads if this applies to you, and you want more info.
Other than that, there isn't anything with Magisk root that I would consider an "issue" and make me want to unroot.
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That certainly cleared all my doubts and my inhibitions. Thank you so much for taking the time to address my questions.
anshikohri said:
That certainly cleared all my doubts and my inhibitions. Thank you so much for taking the time to address my questions.
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You're certainly welcome. There is a "Thanks" button you can click for any posts that you found helpful, if you care to do so.
And a constructive criticism on forum etiquette: please don't quote a whole huge long post, like you did for my response. I know it's the default when responding to include a quote. But simply delete what isn't directly relevant (maybe keep a few lines, as appropriate) in the interest of keeping the forum free of clutter; and avoid folks have having to scroll down a whole screen/page which is just my post in duplicate. You can still edit the previous post, if you like.
Good luck on rooting. I'm sure it will go fine. Welcome to the dark side.
redpoint73 said:
And a constructive criticism on forum etiquette: please don't quote a whole huge long post, like you did for my response. I know it's the default when responding to include a quote. But simply delete what isn't directly relevant (maybe keep a few lines, as appropriate) in the interest of keeping the forum free of clutter; and avoid folks have having to scroll down a whole screen/page which is just my post in duplicate. You can still edit the previous post, if you like.
As you can see, I'm new to this, so forgive me. I'll keep this in mind the next time I post something and Thank You for your advise and your help.
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redpoint73 said:
You aren't being specific enough when you say "same method". The general method is often similar. But you will virtually never use the exact same steps when rooting different Android builds (such as Nouget vs. Oreo). In particular, you always need to use updated versions of files for TWRP and Magisk. By definition, the root exploits will change between Android versions. So using old version Magisk is basically asking for a "soft brick". Not a real brick. It usually just means you need to use the correct version Magisk in order to recover. Or at worst, flash recovery image (or restore TWRP backup - which you should always have a backup of the stock ROM before rooting) then root with the proper files. Don't know anything about your old phone - but I'll guess this is what happened (which is a common enough scenario).
Similarly, you should also use the most current version TWRP. Older versions may sometimes work, depending on the situation. But Oreo (vs. Nougat) in particular, TWRP had to be updated to be compatible. Meaning you must use a Oreo-compatible version of TWRP to avoid problems. Short story, use current version TWRP to avoid problems.
Current versions are:
TWRP 3.2.1-0
Magisk v16.0
Also proceed with the knowledge that this device is very hard to brick. Just flashing TWRP and Magisk will not brick it (not a true brick anyway - a "soft" brick is easy to recover from as already described). Just make sure you are using Magisk for the OP3/3T (not some other device) and the risk is virtually zero. Even in the case of a brick, this device has an unbricking tool. Just be sure to take the following precautions:
- Make a TWRP backup of the stock ROM before you flash Magisk (always amazed at how many folks skip this!) or otherwise have the stock recovery image available in case anything happens. Basically always have a backup plan!
- Find the unbrick tool, and again have it available (at least bookmarked) in case you need it.
- Most importantly, read and understand all the steps and concepts before you begin. As another already mentioned, it seems your knowledge about some of the concepts is a bit lacking.
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Beta or Stable doesn't matter. I don't know if I've ever seen a root guide specific to the Beta version, so I'm not even sure what you are talking about.
As far as the guides being for Nougat, I've already addressed that above. Basically, everything is the same, except the file versions (use updated TWRP, Magisk) so that is why nobody has bothered posting new guides for every OOS build.
DM-verity is just a warning screen that appears when you reboot or power-on the phone. It will go away and continue to boot normally after 5 seconds, or just press the power button to dismiss the warning.
Once the phone has TWRP and rooted, you will have the DM-verity warning screen. If you like, you can flash a patched boot image, so you don't see the DM-verity warning screen on reboot/power-on.
You will also have a very similar (but separate) warning screen once the bootloader is unlocked. Unlike the DM-verity screen, the bootloader unlocked warning is impossible to be removed. The only way to remove it is to relock the bootloader, which I would strongly warn you not to do on a modified (TWRP and root) device! The bootloader unlock warning screen is just something you live with if you are rooted (just wait the 5 seconds or press the power button to skip it).
There is also the unlikely event that DM-verity will outright prevent the OS from booting. But this shouldn't happen just from flashing TWRP and Magisk (at least not if you've done it properly). Even if this happens, just restore your TWRP backup, or flash recovery image, and start over - checking what you did (cause you probably did something wrong).
This is so vague, as to make it hard to figure out what you are even asking.
In short, No.
Long answer: Some apps will not work with root, such as banking apps and Netflix. But the Magisk "Hide" feature should work to conceal root and make these apps work. It's a whole topic in itself, so read up in existing threads if this applies to you, and you want more info.
Other than that, there isn't anything with Magisk root that I would consider an "issue" and make me want to unroot.
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Hi my oneplus 3t is on Oreo 5.0.2. I flashed twrp recovery nd super su root but when I restarted the phone it's stuck on black screen with white oneplus logo.what should I do now?my phone is going into twrp recovery
Should I flash stock oos 5.0.2 from twrp recovery? Pls guide
mannulko said:
Hi my oneplus 3t is on Oreo 5.0.2. I flashed twrp recovery nd super su root but when I restarted the phone it's stuck on black screen with white oneplus logo.what should I do now?my phone is going into twrp recovery
Should I flash stock oos 5.0.2 from twrp recovery? Pls guide
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Please don't include page-long quotes in your post. For that matter, don't quote my posts at all, if you aren't going to refer to it, or read it.
And please only post your problem to one thread, per forum rules. It will be answered. Making more posts, will NOT get your question answered any faster. It will just confuse those trying to help you, and confuse you; jumping around to 4 different threads.
Hello,
I currently have the following:
Phone: OnePlus 3T A3003
Recovery: TWRP 3.1.1-x | blu_spark v37
Rom: RR-N-v5.8.3-20170603-oneplus3-official
I installed all of this after hours of googling last year. I now want to upgrade but I am not finding many helping guides are upgrading (rather than installing from scratch).
I downloaded RR-O-v6.1.0-20180627-oneplus3-official and tried to install it via TWRP (after backing up and wiping some stuff). But I got the an error stating something along the lines of "this rom is for oneplus3/t" and your device is "". Googling lead me to believe I needed to update my recovery. So I downloaded TWRP-3.2.2-0oneplus3.img but I really have no idea if I should be installing this? Last time I installed the blu_spark variant but I have no idea why.
Anyway, my question is:
Given the above, please could someone give me a laymans guide to updating my Custom ROM and which things I should install and in which order.
Thank you!
Glendog1 said:
Hello,
I currently have the following:
Phone: OnePlus 3T A3003
Recovery: TWRP 3.1.1-x | blu_spark v37
Rom: RR-N-v5.8.3-20170603-oneplus3-official
I installed all of this after hours of googling last year. I now want to upgrade but I am not finding many helping guides are upgrading (rather than installing from scratch).
I downloaded RR-O-v6.1.0-20180627-oneplus3-official and tried to install it via TWRP (after backing up and wiping some stuff). But I got the an error stating something along the lines of "this rom is for oneplus3/t" and your device is "". Googling lead me to believe I needed to update my recovery. So I downloaded TWRP-3.2.2-0oneplus3.img but I really have no idea if I should be installing this? Last time I installed the blu_spark variant but I have no idea why.
Anyway, my question is:
Given the above, please could someone give me a laymans guide to updating my Custom ROM and which things I should install and in which order.
Thank you!
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Clean Flash:
1) Latest Official TWRP (Can be done from within old TWRP)
2) Reboot Recovery to new TWRP
3) Wipe
4) Latest Firmware (OB29)
5) ROM
6) OpenGapps Arm64 8.1 Nano or Pico
7) Root Optional
Don't forget to Nandroid first, and it might be a good idea to remove any security measures on your current setup too. (Fingerprint/Pin/Pattern)
Queue up the zips for Firmware/ROM/Gapps and flash in that order together.
Thank you,
Some follow up questions:
* What should I be wiping during step 3.
* Should I install TWRP 3.2.2, does it matter that I currently have the blu_spark variant? (I don't even know what blu_spark means)
* I am just reading about firmware. I am assuming I need OB29 to work with RR-O-v6.1.0-20180627-oneplus3-official? Is that a simple process?
Glendog1 said:
Thank you,
Some follow up questions:
* What should I be wiping during step 3.
* Should I install TWRP 3.2.2, does it matter that I currently have the blu_spark variant? (I don't even know what blu_spark means)
* I am just reading about firmware. I am assuming I need OB29 to work with RR-O-v6.1.0-20180627-oneplus3-official? Is that a simple process?
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Just follow the steps. The TWRP you download will be an .img file. In the TWRP Install menu press the button for Image to flash the .img file.
For step 3, from the Wipe menu just swipe to wipe.
DirkGently said:
Just follow the steps. The TWRP you download will be an .img file. In the TWRP Install menu press the button for Image to flash the .img file.
For step 3, from the Wipe menu just swipe to wipe.
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Thank you, final question. I note you advised to remove security. I changed from 'Pin' to 'None' and gave me a warning about removing it which I agreed to. It still states my phone is encrypted however, and I still need to enter my PIN when restarting. Will this be a problem?
Thank you,
Glendog1 said:
Thank you, final question. I note you advised to remove security. I changed from 'Pin' to 'None' and gave me a warning about removing it which I agreed to. It still states my phone is encrypted however, and I still need to enter my PIN when restarting. Will this be a problem?
Thank you,
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I believe removing your stored fingerprints removes the boot PIN. Don't stress if you can't do this, it's just an additional precaution.
DirkGently said:
I believe removing your stored fingerprints removes the boot PIN. Don't stress if you can't do this, it's just an additional precaution.
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Pin/password and fingerprints are two different things. Fingerprints are just a convenient method of authenticating. Removing them does nothing for the actual security with is pin/password.
The reason for removing the lock screen password before taking a backup is that if you install a new ROM and set a password and then restore your older backup, you can't get past the lock screen password. So, remove the password before taking the backup and then you can restore it later and set a new password.
I find the better option is to not remove the password and then, if you need to restore the backup after having changed passwords, you can delete the passwords of the restored backup in TWRP from Advanced>Terminal with these commands:
Code:
cd /data/system
rm -f gatekeeper.* locksettings.*
Changing the pin/password to none doesn't wipe out the on-boot password. However, when setting up a new password and selecting to not set an on-boot password will remove the current on-boot password for some users, but not for others (it doesn't for me).
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Thanks guys.
I followed your instructions @DirkGently and it worked a charm.
What you recommend for rooting the device and is as simple as flashing a zip file like above?
Also, is the recovery on a separate partition? So if I mess around flashing firmware/rom/apps and mess up, I'll always be able to boot into the recovery partition and flash again?
Thanks,
Glendog1 said:
What you recommend for rooting the device and is as simple as flashing a zip file like above?
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Magisk
Glendog1 said:
Also, is the recovery on a separate partition? So if I mess around flashing firmware/rom/apps and mess up, I'll always be able to boot into the recovery partition and flash again?
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Yes and yes, but firmware may be tricky and messing up too much may render phone unusable. Messing with ROMs is fine though.
Thanks for the reply.
I note that on the Magisk page it states:
"If you plan to flash a custom kernel, flash it AFTER installing Magisk"
I have already installed a custom rom, will this be an issue?
Sorry for so many question. I get really nervous about this stuff!
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I have already installed a custom rom, will this be an issue?
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That's ok of you asking questions, that's what this forum is about.
You should have got no problems if you're running a kernel shipped with custom ROM. Custom kernel is like EX, Mady's Xtended, Franco and so on.
Glendog1 said:
Thanks for the reply.
I note that on the Magisk page it states:
"If you plan to flash a custom kernel, flash it AFTER installing Magisk"
I have already installed a custom rom, will this be an issue?
Sorry for so many question. I get really nervous about this stuff!
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You don't need to worry about Kernel stuff. RR already includes Caesium Kernel. You chose a good ROM by the way!
Here's a little information about Firmware. The OP3 and OP3T have unified builds. This means that in some cases the same Custom ROM can be used on both. There is some device specific software though so this has to be separated out and treated as independent from the ROM. This is what we refer to as Firmware. When Oneplus release new builds they include the updated Firmware in their Official ROM. If you look at the Firmware thread i linked you to, you'll see that kamilmirza takes the Firmware from the Official OOS builds and makes them available as flashable .zip files that we can use on Custom ROMs. Bookmark his Thread for future use.
There is no need to stress about always being on the latest Firmware for your Custom ROM, just ensure it is the Firmware intended for your device. The version you flashed earlier will probably do you for a while. At the same time, if you do always want to be on the latest, there's no reason not to. There's little to be gained by it though. If you're following the RR thread you'll probably see people mention it when the ROM requires a new Firmware. Again, don't stress about it.
As far as flashing Firmware, you can do it any time. You can do it before flashing an updated build of your ROM, or on it's own in a separate visit to Recovery. It's not particular either way. I would stick with the Open Beta Firmware, which people usually abbreviate to OBXX, i.e OB29. Just remember what you flashed so that you know which version you are using.
Now that you're rocking your Custom ROM you're next questions will be about updating it. This can be done easily and safely by Dirty Flashing. I've done dozens of updated builds since my last clean flash and everything has gone perfectly every single time.
Dirty Flash:
1) Download new ROM build (and Firmware if applicable) to Internal Storage.
2) Boot into Recovery
3) Nandroid Backup
4) From Install Menu, flash Firmware (if applicable), and ROM.
5) Wipe Dalvik & Cache when prompted. (BillGoss will tell you it's not necessary. It doesn't hurt either way, so up to you!)
6) Reboot phone.
For a Dirty Flash, you do not need to use the 'Wipe' Menu at all.
I always take a new Nandroid before flashing an updated build. I will have had a whole week on the previous build so i know i'm not backing up a bug and the backup will be as recent as possible if a problem occurs. Once i boot back into the phone i delete the old Backup. The new one is there if i need it. Always have that one recent Backup, just in case. As i've said, RR is great and i'm yet to run into a problem with it. From now on you can Dirty Flash the updated weekly builds with little to worry about and with a Backup to fall back to if anything goes wrong.
I don't mention Magisk because i don't use it, and i don't advise others use it. Unless you need Root access for something specific, don't bother. Half the threads on XDA are about problems with Magisk. Avoid the added complication if you can. Now this statement will trigger the Magisk fans, but nobody has ever had a bug or failure with something that they did not flash in the first place. Keep it as simple as possible.
Hi,
I am very new to this android world so my queries might feel stupid. Actually i m here after 3 years and that is very long period in this world. I know about rooting(super Su), bootloader and recovery (stock,CM and TWRP) . Recently read about Magisk and got some queries. Hope you will help me out. These are not device specific but need to learn.
What i read/study i found these readings...
1. Magisk roots device systemlessly (does not touch system partition) so one can get OTA updates easily.
2.To install and run Magisk one needs to unlock the bootloader .
3.(Device Specific) My redmi MI Flash tool says,If you unlock the bootloader , you wont get OTA updates.
4.I have previously rooted my galaxy Y and uninstalled system apps. If i delete sys apps from magisk,still can we say that we are not touching system.
So all statements are true? or some? or none ?
Here my device is redmi 3s (6.0.1- MIUI 9.6.1.0 Global Stable).All these queries are just in relation to OTA system updates. Nothing related to warranty.
Thanking You
Yes.
Yes.
Don't know about Xiaomi, but I've never had issues with OTA on a device with an unlocked bootloader (I've mainly used different Google and Oneplus devices). Someone with a Xiaomi is gonna have to chime in on this one.
As long as you use Magisk's debloating feature of replacing files or directories with empty ones, you're good. The actual /system partition won't be touched. Use a module like the Debloater module by @veez21, or make a debloater module yourself.
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Don't know about Xiaomi, but I've never had issues with OTA on a device with an unlocked bootloader (I've mainly used different Google and Oneplus devices). Someone with a Xiaomi is gonna have to chime in on this one.
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Ahh, Thank You.
You get OTA system updates for your STOCK ROM ?
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Ahh, Thank You.
You get OTA system updates for your STOCK ROM ?
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Yes. But, having both Magisk and a custom recovery (an OTA won't install with a modified boot image and a custom recovery installed) I always find it easier to download the update and flash it manually. But, like I said, I have no idea if this is true for Xiaomi.
1. Ok. i also heared that when you update your device,you lose root...not true ? Or you need to root again ?
2.In normal stock device,we get update notification and we downlaod then restart (as per convenience)device to update.
If i remove some system apps from my rooted device and unroot the device,manage to get stock recovery back ,will the OTA update system treat my device as Stock-untouched? And install updates just as stock device will do ?
3. Is boot.img and bootloader are same things? Coz i read that for re locking boot loader you need to flash boot.img from stock software. (But Some procedures just use fastboot and relock oem command-they wont use boot.img,dont know why )
I read that unrooting,restoring stock recovery and locking bootloader again is more difficult/complicated than the rooting procedure
Some one should come up with solution just like Windows Restore .If you want to go back to everything STOCK,just use that feature same as done to Restore Windows in its previous state.
Any update that also updates the boot image (which means pretty much all) will remove root. But, that's just a simple case of reflashing Magisk right after applying the update.
If you've touched /system in any way, removing system apps or even just mounting the /system partition read-write, an OTA will fail. To be able update with an OTA your /system and /vendor partitions need to be untouched and you need to have the stock boot image and stock recovery installed. If your device doesn't conform to this the OTA will fail.
Boot image and bootloader are not the same thing. That you can read up on all over the internet, so I won't go into details. If you have done any kind of modifications on your device, I suggest you leave your bootloader unlocked. It's to easy to mess things up otherwise.
Going back to full stock is usually just a matter of flashing a full factory image/firmware package/stock ROM. Quite easy... Of course, some manufacturers make it harder than others.
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Boot image and bootloader are not the same thing. That you can read up on all over the internet, so I won't go into details. If you have done any kind of modifications on your device, I suggest you leave your bootloader unlocked. It's to easy to mess things up otherwise.
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Ok. As you say the two are different , but can you explain in simple words (terms) that how they both are related/linked/connected? Coz as i read some forums/posts i get to read
1. To relock/lock bootloader you need to flash boot.img which suggests these (terms) are linked/connected.
2. but same time some forums/post suggest no img file flashing but just a fastboot command(s) to relock bootloader. In this case it seems they are not linked/connected.
And if the above 2 statements are true and device specific then how the bootloader and boot image are linked and not linked in diff devices? what changes are made so that in some cases these are linked and in some not
Sorry for asking too much. But you were really very kind to help me out.Thank you once again
I'm not 100% accurate (and someone will hopefully come I'm and correct me if needed), but basically the bootloader checks that everything is alright and then starts up your device. After that the boot image (ramdisk and kernel) takes over. Ramdisk basically makes sure all the partitions are mounted, and the kernel is exactly what it sounds like. The core of the OS, making sure that everything is working as it should.
This is of course a huge over-simplification, so if you want more you'll have to search around (and there are tons of resources around the web).
The main reason I can think of right at the moment for wanting to flash a boot image before locking the bootloader is that it's generally a good idea to have your device fully stock and functional before doing so. After you've locked the bootloader there might not be any going back if things start acting up and you could end up with a nice paperweight.
Questions are good. That's how you learn. I do believe that you'd be much better of searching around the internet for your answers. They've been put out there many, many times.
Ok.Thank you very much.I will learn more ...
Hi,
about 2 years ago I rooted my S2 Galaxy Tab (T719) and now I would like to upgrade from Android 6.0.1 to Android version to 7 or 8. I have googled for instructions on how to upgrade a rooted S2 Tab but did not find anything useful (most info is on OTA upgrades which no longer works on rooted devices). Could someone please post step-by-step instructions (please bear in mind that I only ever deal with this kind of thing once every 2-3 years so I do not have much experience). I have TWRP v 3.0.2 installed (do I need to update this as well?) and the tablet is not encrypted (so hopefully I won't have to wipe the system partition and re-install all the app?!?). Thanks.
I also noticed that there is now a huge variety of ROMs out there. How can one know which ones are trustworthy? The main reason I rooted the tablet was to be able to increase privacy (control app permissions with XPrivacy). So I do not want to install some custom ROM that maybe contains spyware or other compromising features. Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated. Given my motivation (privacy) for rooting, would it maybe be better to go back to Stock ROMs (i.e. non rooted) and simply control web access via netguard (by preventing net access for some apps, they may still spy on my contacts, location, or email but cannot phone home to transmit the information)? At least I would still get OTA updates because being excluded from the OTA channel also poses a security risk in itself I suppose. Ok so any advice would be appreciated.
Thank you in advance!
There is no official Android 8 for our device. If you want 8 or 9 you have to install a custom ROM like LuK1337's LineageOS port. It is as safe as LineageOS is by itself on any device. Only problem you might have then is that calling is not possible anymore for now, but LTE works. If you want to use LOS, you HAVE to format data because it's not compatible at all. If you wanna stay on official Android you might keep it. Installing is done by flashing the official firmware with the correct country code over Odin. This will remove TWRP at first so you have to reflash it by Odin afterwards. For firmware download I always use: https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-tab-s/general/tool-samfirm-samsung-firmware-t2988647 and Odin is found by google. If you wanna got the way to LOS you have to do all the steps I mentioned before too anyways to have a recent Modem firmware and bootloader. In that case you just have to flash LOS and OpenGAPPS by TWRP and delete /data aka Factory reset.
Regardless what you do, after ODIN is done, you HAVE TO boot into TWRP immediately to keep it from being removed by official firmware. While you are in there anyways you can install magisk to keep it from encrypting /data
Many thanks emuandco. So I guess I will stick with the Android 7 as I do not want to reformat the tablet and reinstall all the apps. I have started to download the Android 7 stock ROM, but it is taking quite long so in the meantime just to confirm, the steps to follow are:
1- use odin to flash the stock ROM (no steps required prior to this? I simply overwrite the existing ROM? I suppose that I will loose root then and need to re-root the device using the standard procedure as explained here: http://www.samsungsfour.com/tutoria...nougat-7-0-using-cf-auto-root-all-models.html ?)
2- use odin to flash TWRP (I will need the newest version I guess and cannot use the same as for Android 6?)
3- boot into recovery mode to ensure that TWRP does not get overwritten
4- done
Is this correct? Do I then need to reinstall Xposed, SuperSU and Xprivacy or will they be preserved?
Thanks again!
P.S.: BTW, I also found these instructions: https://forum.xda-developers.com/tab-s2/development/twrp-3-0-2-1-galaxy-tab-s22016-sm-t713-t3390627 which are slightly different from http://www.samsungsfour.com/tutoria...nougat-7-0-using-cf-auto-root-all-models.html and require a wipe of the data partition. Does this mean that for an update to Android 7 I definitely do need to wipe the data partition? If this is the case then this would be a major disadvantage of rooting in the first place and maybe I simply flash the stock ROM and do not root at all but go the "netguard" route as mentioned in my original message?
I never used the official Firmware that much. Fist thing I did was going on LuK1337's nerves to get a port of LOS for it up and running So no clue if Samsung manages to keep /data but I guess so. Yeah, looks fine what you list there. You COMPLETELY overwrite ANY modification in kernel or /system, so reflash your mods and root (Magisk). I always recommend to uase the MOST recent TWRP. (https://dl.twrp.me/gts28velte/ should be it in your case).
Ah and looking at your manuals... Check OEM unlock just to be rather safe than sorry if things go mad.
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I never used the official Firmware that much. Fist thing I did was going on LuK1337's nerves to get a port of LOS for it up and running So no clue if Samsung manages to keep /data but I guess so. Yeah, looks fine what you list there. You COMPLETELY overwrite ANY modification in kernel or /system, so reflash your mods and root (Magisk). I always recommend to uase the MOST recent TWRP. (https://dl.twrp.me/gts28velte/ should be it in your case).
Ah and looking at your manuals... Check OEM unlock just to be rather safe than sorry if things go mad.
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Hello folks !
I just bought a galaxy S10 5G G977N and I found it difficult to work my way through all the changes made in rooting/custom roming smartphones (I had a galaxy S7 before that, it was pretty easy).
What I read for now :
How to root with magisk : https://topjohnwu.github.io/Magisk/install.html#samsung-system-as-root
How to install TWRP : https://twrp.me/samsung/samsunggalaxys105G.html
What I learned :
Rooting device is far more complicated than it was before. If I do so, I won't be able to update stock rom OTA, I'll have to reflash a patched recovery (AP file) for every update. This bothers me because its not convenient, and because messing with odin is way riskier than flashing zip from custom recovery and may brick my phone, so the less I use it, the better I think.
Plus,booting the phone will be a pain in the ass, having to do the right key combination
Installing TWRP will not change that.
What I'm wondering :
I'm a bit confused on how I will be able to update stock ROM (The way I understand it, I'll have to reinstall TWRP after each update)
And I'm even more confused about how all of this will work with custom ROMs.
Let's say I root my phone and install TWRP. If I want a custom ROM and keep it rooted, how will it work ? I'll have to unzip the ROM, patch the AP file with magisk, rezip it, flash it with twrp and voilà ? And I'll have the same key combination issue where I'll have to boot a certain way to access the rooted ROM, and if I don't, I'll boot on an unrooted ROM ?
Thank you a lot for helping. I'm really used to rooted and unbloated ROM (God I've forgotten how bloated stock ROMs are !) but the complexity of the operation stops me for now. I don't want to brick my phone and I'm not sure I'll have the courage to do all of this every 3 month for each update.
Hello!
This thread is a bit old. But since I had to dig the forum to find what I was looking for (and update my knowledge), maybe my answer will be useful for somebody else.
Rooting device is far more complicated than it was before.
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Yep. That was a shocker for me, coming from a 7 year old phone.
Plus,booting the phone will be a pain in the ass, having to do the right key combination
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I agree! Thankfully, somebody smarter than me took care of that. You can thank ianmacd for his multidisabler (GitHub project's page; xda thread).
One of its functionality is to disable "Stock recovery auto-restoration".
If you want to see a guide for how to use it (for S10 5G Snapdragon only, but same principle apply for the others), afaneh92 wrote one! Same thing by corsicanu, but with official links to download TWRP (and his repository for the other stuff), and it works with other versions of the S10 too. corsicanu got his tools here if needed.
Be careful, you must format /data after disabling encryption with multidisabler. Back up your data first!
I won't be able to update stock rom OTA
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No OTA if you root.
You can still upgrade the stock kernel/firmware to a newer Android version manually. Afterwards, flash TWRP, then flash multidisabler again, then run multidisabler in terminal. And, all good!
(Reflashing stock firmware disables "multidisabler")
Check for firmware updates on Samsung's changelog page.
Replace your S10 model number and CSC code in the link below:
doc.samsungmobile.com/YourModelNumber/YourCscCode/doc.html
To know which CSC you have:
Go to Settings > About phone > Software information > Service provider software version
The last line should show the current CSC (three characters), e.g. mine is KTC for Korean KTC devices.
doc.samsungmobile.com/sm-g977b/ftm/doc.html
corsicanu makes it easier for us, here is his github page for the S10.
I'm a bit confused on how I will be able to update stock ROM (The way I understand it, I'll have to reinstall TWRP after each update)
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To flash the ROM the first time:
Flash the ROM with TWRP (adb sideload), Format data/factory reset. Formating everything will reenable encryption if you had multidisabler installed first. I think. So I guess flash it afterwards, and format data again?
For example, you can follow Lineage OS's guide. But they don't take care of vbmeta, encryption, and other issues. I'm not sure why.
To update the ROM, it's easier: no need to reinstall multidisabler after a dirty flash. (Lineage guide to update their ROM)
I'm dropping some links you might need:
To download the last version of Odin (odin3-v3-14-1_3b_patched-zip as of date): realbbb's XDA thread.
All the versions of TWRP for the beyondx (G977B and N, maybe other letters too )
Ok. That's all for now. Good luck!