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I am interested in buying this case but I don't like cases that stick to my pocket while pulling them out. Does this matte case have any problems?
I notice that there is a line/indentation around the back of the case - does this trap dirt/lint? I am wondering why they placed it there in the first place.
Thanks.

ainstushar said:
I am interested in buying this case but I don't like cases that stick to my pocket while pulling them out. Does this matte case have any problems?
I notice that there is a line/indentation around the back of the case - does this trap dirt/lint? I am wondering why they placed it there in the first place.
Thanks.
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It goes in and out of my jeans pockets with no issues. If you wear skinny jeans, then I can't help you. It is remarkable to me how little dirt/lint stick to this thing. It is made of hard but flexible rubber, I haven't found anything sticking to it. Keep in mind, its a barely bigger than the phone and it does push up my screen protector in the lower left hand corner. My Spigen case didn't do that, but it made the phone feel huge to me.

Thanks!
Thanks for the info. What kind of screen protector do you have? I have purchased Invisible Defender (screen protector) and diztronic case. Hopefully they wont cause huge problems.
Thank you.

ainstushar said:
Thanks for the info. What kind of screen protector do you have? I have purchased Invisible Defender (screen protector) and diztronic case. Hopefully they wont cause huge problems.
Thank you.
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It's just a cheap clear one from Amazon. This case really hugs the screen, it adds almost no width at all. Its not really noticeable unless I look for it, I wouldn't think you'll have huge problems.

Semantics said:
It goes in and out of my jeans pockets with no issues. If you wear skinny jeans, then I can't help you. It is remarkable to me how little dirt/lint stick to this thing. It is made of hard but flexible rubber, I haven't found anything sticking to it. Keep in mind, its a barely bigger than the phone and it does push up my screen protector in the lower left hand corner. My Spigen case didn't do that, but it made the phone feel huge to me.
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Spigen cases always seem to add unnecessary bulk, especially width to phones with their cases. And their colored plastic backs scratch and swirl like crazy.
They are extremely overrated and overpriced imo.
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Semantics said:
It's just a cheap clear one from Amazon. This case really hugs the screen, it adds almost no width at all. Its not really noticeable unless I look for it, I wouldn't think you'll have huge problems.
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Got a link and pictures?

Can someone test something out on this case for me?
Are you able to stick 1 Credit Card and 1 photo ID on the inside of the back of the case? Will the case stay on and clip to the phone?
I am doing just that on my current phones case and would like to know what cases I can replicate this on.
Thanks in advance!
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Just got this case today and I have to say it's really nice fit is perfect you could fit one credit card in between the case and phone and its kinda tight
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Very nice. Where did you get a gray one?
Does it seem like it could absorb a drop?

I'm using the black one for at&t and it has the correct mic hole openings and all. The op's pics didn't show the at&t version. Just an fyi.

Amazon just emailed me, my Verizon Diztronic Matte TPU case just shipped. Should be here by this Saturday or next Monday.

That lip on the back seems like a weird design choice... i have loved diztronic cases in the past, so I'm sure i'll order this.

Big Boy Laroux said:
That lip on the back seems like a weird design choice... i have loved diztronic cases in the past, so I'm sure i'll order this.
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At least on the Verizon version there is no lip. It is just a smooth back.
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Got my case for the Verizon G2 yesterday, another excellent case from Diztronic. Very nice fit, good texture, face protection and very slim.
Great value at $12.XX shipped.

tmoneyr007 said:
Got my case for the Verizon G2 yesterday, another excellent case from Diztronic. Very nice fit, good texture, face protection and very slim.
Great value at $12.XX shipped.
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Agreed.
Got one for my and the wifes phone....she prefers my Ballistic case (go figure) but the Diztronic is excellent and not bulky.
I might try the Incipio DualPro to see how it compares to the Ballistic.

Another shout out for diztronic. Perfect slim fit and just enough case for me. Mine surprisingly arrived in the mail yesterday. Great case at a great price!
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chrisexv6 said:
I might try the Incipio DualPro to see how it compares to the Ballistic.
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Can you do side by side pictures and post them?

Just ordered this today!

For everyone wanting to get a screen protector that fits with this case, the Supershieldz screen protector from Amazon doesn't get in the way of the case if installed well (AT&T version).

Spigen Ultra Hybrid for S6 Edge Review [Pics and Video]

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Great to see it in action. Now it's just the phone that's missing. But I think the back cover goes on the back or the phone and not on the case itself. Since plastic on glass will create those smudge effect that doesn't look too good tbh.
Got my cases shipped 18th of March but guess it takes abit longer to ship to Sweden than the US. Got the Crystal Clear and Smoke Crystal.
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Sonaks said:
Great to see it in action. Now it's just the phone that's missing. But I think the back cover goes on the back or the phone and not on the case itself. Since plastic on glass will create those smudge effect that doesn't look too good tbh.
Got my cases shipped 18th of March but guess it takes abit longer to ship to Sweden than the US. Got the Crystal Clear and Smoke Crystal.
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Yea realized later that it should go on the back of the phone's glass back and not on the case lol.

My Emerald Green should look stunning in there, thanks for the posting

is the crystal clear flexible? it says TPU and PC. can't tell if it's more soft like a TPU or hard.

nvertigo said:
is the crystal clear flexible? it says TPU and PC. can't tell if it's more soft like a TPU or hard.
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The edges/sides are TPU, the back is clear PC.

Poetique said:
The edges/sides are TPU, the back is clear PC.
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Yes Poetique is right. Ultra Hybrid has hard plastic back and a tpu frame. The Liquid Crystal has a similar look but is all TPU if you want something similar but more flexible.

Just bought this one!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00USAP2PA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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Just bought this one!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00USAP2PA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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If you can let update us on the fit. I got their thin fit model and it's really loose. and not snug like the same case for the S4. Apparently a lot of people are complaining about it.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00SV639JO/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I got the same one as the op and really like the thinness and feel. Good grip

thanks for the pics
i just ordered 3 of them from ebay
50usd for 3 of them includes the shippment

I actually had no idea these things came with clear protectors for the back. Only complaint I have is that they don't fit around the camera and flash/health sensor very well, and will be distracting if the phone's out of the case at any point. And if you want to temporarily switch cases, the poor cutout will be distracting. Almost perfect, but just barely disappointing :T
At the same time, though, I'm not sure if other companies offer that back adhesive.

inkrededibles said:
I actually had no idea these things came with clear protectors for the back. Only complaint I have is that they don't fit around the camera and flash/health sensor very well, and will be distracting if the phone's out of the case at any point. And if you want to temporarily switch cases, the poor cutout will be distracting. Almost perfect, but just barely disappointing :T
At the same time, though, I'm not sure if other companies offer that back adhesive.
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You guys should seriously consider the Spigen NeoHybrid. Back of case is ruberized. Sides of case, meaning total peripheral is metal. Actually feels superb to hold and you still have that sense of a metal body the naked GalaxyS6 Edge comes with. Nice larger cutouts for headphone plug as well as USB for those with larger connectors. Absolutely no regrets. I did NOT opt for the optional free front screen protector. I like the look and feel of a phone with the screen as is.
Nice larger cutouts for headphone plug as well as USB for those with larger connectors. Absolutely no regrets.

inkrededibles said:
I actually had no idea these things came with clear protectors for the back. Only complaint I have is that they don't fit around the camera and flash/health sensor very well, and will be distracting if the phone's out of the case at any point. And if you want to temporarily switch cases, the poor cutout will be distracting. Almost perfect, but just barely disappointing :T
At the same time, though, I'm not sure if other companies offer that back adhesive.
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I mentioned this to Spigen, they said it's so that it doesn't catch on the case?? Not sure how that's possible, as I'm fairly sure they could have made it go right to the edge of the glass and not have any issues with the case, but oh well, maybe (I hope) they tried that before making them in this smaller size

Is it mandatory to place the back screen protector when using this case? Will the case actually scratch the back glass? Thanks in advance.

you have to decide if its worth it to you to be protected, or you don't care..frankly, since I will probably jump in 6 months to the next great thing, I don't care if the back of the phone has a few scuffs, since it doesn't affect the ability to jump with T mobile. Plus, who stares at the back of their phone anyways..
I did put it on anyways, since it was there, and I figured might as well.
But if you buy it outright, or plan on keeping the phone for a while, you might feel differently

Post has been updated with my full review

I just got mine and I have to tell u guys it's amazing light slim and u don't feel it there only the edges u can see the crystal clear sides ... it's really nice and fit perfectly...
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I have this case. My phone seems to move around in it. I'm guessing the case is a little to big.
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Just an update on this. I have the same case since day 1 of owning the phone. It's got an ungodly amount of scratches, more than any phone I've seen before. Additionally, it has a green tint around the sides. Very disappointed. I would complain to the makers of it but I'm out of the country currently.

Orzly Fusion Bumper Case for OnePlus 3 Pictures

I received the Fusion Bumper Case today and I gotta say after a days use I am delighted with it, I've got it on with the 2.5D Screen Protector and it works no problem. I actually like this more than the Grip-Pro I got the other day, purely because it allows me to show off my phone whilst keeping it protected! Here are some pictures:
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Also threw together a quick and dirty YouTube clip with the Case in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIsXJV0DDnc It's terrible and I'd advise you to mute the video, with a little more time I could have produced something a little more professional!
Jono

I also want to order this case but is it really thick if you compare it to simple TPU clear case i.e. Ozrly FlexiCase?

_tekken_ said:
I also want to order this case but is it really thick if you compare it to simple TPU clear case i.e. Ozrly FlexiCase?
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It's definitely thicker,, but not by a huge margin. I actually prefer the feel of the Fusion to the normal TPU Orzly FlexiCase. Here are some pictures for comparison:
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Jono

Damn. If only I had known about the little feet it has. The photos on the Amazon listing show that the back is completely smooth and uniform

EpicPlayer said:
Damn. If only I had known about the little feet it has. The photos on the Amazon listing show that the back is completely smooth and uniform
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I agree with you...i was expecting a little feet but not in that way...i'm considering if i can ask a refund...at this point i will keep the Orzly Flexicase until the Ringke Fusion...however i haven't the case yet then i will wait!

EpicPlayer said:
Damn. If only I had known about the little feet it has. The photos on the Amazon listing show that the back is completely smooth and uniform
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The little feet are probably there to keep it from scratching.
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niijonodhg said:
I received the Fusion Bumper Case today and I gotta say after a days use I am delighted with it, I've got it on with the 2.5D Screen Protector and it works no problem. I actually like this more than the Grip-Pro I got the other day, purely because it allows me to show off my phone whilst keeping it protected! Here are some pictures:
It's terrible and I'd advise you to mute the video, with a little more time I could have produced something a little more professional!
Jono
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The case looks nice. Is the TPU or silicone around the volume buttons stiff or soft? Stiffer material makes it feel like it is more protective.
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I want it soooo badly, it's at home and I'm on holiday... I got it in red and I know it will look great

niijonodhg said:
I received the Fusion Bumper Case today and I gotta say after a days use I am delighted with it, I've got it on with the 2.5D Screen Protector and it works no problem. I actually like this more than the Grip-Pro I got the other day, purely because it allows me to show off my phone whilst keeping it protected! Here are some pictures:
Also threw together a quick and dirty YouTube clip with the Case in:
It's terrible and I'd advise you to mute the video, with a little more time I could have produced something a little more professional!
Jono
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Nice one

Its an awesome case, Now its available in India as well, check out the below link.
http://amzn.to/2anmx5I

Thought I'd pop back on this thread and just put a link up to a OnePlus 3 YouTube playlist I've set up for all the accessories I've had:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFPmvBNcXdM5s8XfRCHhxxhp7qEx_UDmd

Will the thick TPU sides of the fusion bumper turn yellow over time? Because it's already hazy and murky in brand new condition. and you can easily notice the difference in clarity between the TPU sides and Polycarbonate back.

Lord Naver said:
Will the thick TPU sides of the fusion bumper turn yellow over time? Because it's already hazy and murky in brand new condition. and you can easily notice the difference in clarity between the TPU sides and Polycarbonate back.
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I've had mine for a few weeks now and it looks the same as the day I bought it

Want to buy this but saw the poetic affinity has anyone tried it? Please feedback compared to orzly fusion which one offers better protection and overall product quality

abendroidx said:
Want to buy this but saw the poetic affinity has anyone tried it? Please feedback compared to orzly fusion which one offers better protection and overall product quality
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Just went to buy one to try for you, but their currently unavailable

abendroidx said:
Want to buy this but saw the poetic affinity has anyone tried it? Please feedback compared to orzly fusion which one offers better protection and overall product quality
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Yeah I was gonna get it but out of stock too

thanks to both of you..but it was available in https://www.amazon.com/OnePlus-Affinity-Premium-material-Protective/dp/B01H63QGQK

Hi, I have a silicon case and my past experience has been that such cases eventually form a yellow tint.
So will that yellow tint be visible on this case as well?
Or are Orzly cases immune to that? Would be disappointed if after paying a premium amount, I get the same quality.

No Orzly users here? :l
Need to buy a case ASAP, bump.

vj_dustin said:
No Orzly users here? :l
Need to buy a case ASAP, bump.
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I have an Orzly flexi case and no, they're not immune to the yellowing effect. In fact, if you turn on the torchlight, the whole case would illuminate in a golden yellow colour.
If you want a transparent case, I'd recommend a hybrid case like the Ringke Fusion. The polycarbonate back would be immune to yellowing and you can choose tinted TPU on the sides, since clear TPU yellows gradually.

whitew0lf said:
I have an Orzly flexi case and no, they're not immune to the yellowing effect. In fact, if you turn on the torchlight, the whole case would illuminate in a golden yellow colour.
If you want a transparent case, I'd recommend a hybrid case like the Ringke Fusion. The polycarbonate back would be immune to yellowing and you can choose tinted TPU on the sides, since clear TPU yellows gradually.
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Ah, thank you. I'll find a Ringke through aliexpress, since they officially aren't available in India, yet.
Moreover had a Ringke fusion for my OPO long back, still transparent as the first day, no yellow tint there indeed. :good:

I would definitely get a case for this

Went into a tmobile store to see their demo blue coral and noticed a lot of scuff marks on the bottom rear of the phone. I can only assume they've only had this for a a week and it's already this bad. SMH. They are definitely scratches. I tried rubbing it off and ran my nails through it. Rough AF.
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My case is sitting right next to me thank god

Anyone that doesn't immediately get a case for a glass phone, gets what they deserve.

Maybe that's how they made gorilla glass 5 more durable to drops by making it softer. But now more susceptible to scratches.
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Speaking of cases, what is everyone planning on getting? I got a cheap Supcase Bettle unicorn, frosted case to begin with. I'll probably get a Spigen Neo hybrid later on.

I'm not going with a case... Toast said they'll have wooden skins ready by the end of the month, so that's what I'm going for.
Maybe leather if they make one. But not metal or plastic.

Aeltar said:
I'm not going with a case... Toast said they'll have wooden skins ready by the end of the month, so that's what I'm going for.
Maybe leather if they make one. But not metal or plastic.
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Ok, looking at that...you convinced me not to use a typical case. What devices have you used this for? How does it protect against drops? I am not one of those who will beat down on their devices but sometimes I do forget it is on my lap while at movie theaters and it will drop....or stepping down from cars. Does it cover all the edges? Looking at the pictures on their websites I can't tell....give me the skinny!

mgbotoe said:
Ok, looking at that...you convinced me not to use a typical case. What devices have you used this for? How does it protect against drops? I am not one of those who will beat down on their devices but sometimes I do forget it is on my lap while at movie theaters and it will drop....or stepping down from cars. Does it cover all the edges? Looking at the pictures on their websites I can't tell....give me the skinny!
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The very edges are slightly visible, but the corners are covered. The sides of the phone are also covered, and they include wooden button caps and camera lens covers. The front isn't covered unless you spend the $10 for a front cover, but if you do then of course the capacitive buttons and fingerprint scanner are left uncovered. The wood isn't thick enough to interfere with usage, thankfully, but it is the thickest and highest quality wood cover I've seen.
I don't have any phones that they make skins for, but I've visited their "factory" in Portland and handled several iPhones and Android phones with their skins attached. They're really nice and high quality, better than similar skins I own for other products.
Take a look at this video for a typical phone installation:
As you can see, nice and easy - just be careful about it, and go slow. It will re-adhere if you mess it up, but the first application is always the strongest by far, and you don't want those edges coming up.
E: I should clarify that you can re-apply in the first 5-10 minutes, but after that the adhesive is 'set' and will not be reusable. It's really strong adhesive, so it isn't going anywhere, but it also does have an oxygen-activated cure.

Skins are a thick sticker and protect as such. They are no replacement for a good case.

Stealth protection with SpeckCandyShell!

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Skins are a thick sticker and protect as such. They are no replacement for a good case.
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Agreed. A skin, even a wooden one, is not a case. They don't offer shatter protection - merely scratch protection. In this case they also make the phone look nicer in my opinion :good:

I would like to mention a small local company. They haven't put out a note 7 case yet. They offer several cases made out of exotic wood, and they look fan-****ing-tastic.
The company is called carved sorry I can't post a link yet

bdavid1122 said:
I would like to mention a small local company. They haven't put out a note 7 case yet. They offer several cases made out of exotic wood, and they look fan-****ing-tastic.
The company is called carved sorry I can't post a link yet
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That sounds like it's up my alley. Here is the link for everyone else's convenience.

Aeltar said:
That sounds like it's up my alley. Here is the link for everyone else's convenience.
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Looks like they do not make for the note series?

mgbotoe said:
Looks like they do not make for the note series?
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The more requests they get, the more likely they are to make them.

Spigen all the way.
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aznmode said:
Maybe that's how they made gorilla glass 5 more durable to drops by making it softer. But now more susceptible to scratches.
That why i scoff at people that say you dont need a case because either its going to be easier to scratch or easier to shatter.
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This exactly. There is a trade off of hardness to toughness. Hardness is what prevents scratching but the harder you make it, the more shatter prone so in essence you lower the toughness
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I bought a clear case and it's sitting in a drawer waiting for my unit to arive.
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I'm getting a slim tpu for now since the spigen one I want won't ship till after I get my phone. My slim case is already here just waiting.....
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ask them where the scratches are from, it could've been dropped on the floor
are most of the scratches at the bottom? that's not where fingers typically rest

Thor Case will make OnePlus 3 a Beast from the outside

Has anyone tried ordering one of these from Aliexpress? I ordered one already and totally excited about it.
Some youtube videos of the case for other phones are already there. I am sure this sleek Beast and the Metal Thor cover would make a Machine in hand.
I ordered the Black one.
All I can say is These got looks and also can surely protect the phone with such bulk build.
PS: Sorry i cant attach pics here. I am new member in the forum and XDA will allow me to post pics after 10 posts. You can always google the case and tell me what you feel about it.

You mean this case?
I don't mean to be rude, but that's quite a case that could cause the Sixth Mass Extinction on Earth.
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I mean, its so ugly - living beings might die just by looking at it.

plskillme said:
You mean this case?
I don't mean to be rude, but that's quite a case that could cause the Sixth Mass Extinction on Earth.
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I mean, its so ugly - living beings might die just by looking at it.
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Totally agree. Imagine that thing sitting under your pillow

AWFULL !

That's the worst case I've ever seen

Aluminum Armor Thor Case The Flash Iron Man Phone Cases For oneplus 3(black) : Amazon
Aluminum Armor Thor Case The Flash Iron Man Phone Cases For oneplus 3(black) : Aliexpress

I have it. It's cool as hell but extremely inconvenient. It doesn't exactly fit well, slides with excess space and it likes to pull your screen protector up by the way it holds in place. It's cool as Hell though, forgot where I put it though.

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I have it. It's cool as hell but extremely inconvenient. It doesn't exactly fit well, slides with excess space and it likes to pull your screen protector up by the way it holds in place. It's cool as Hell though, forgot where I put it though.
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in the bin i hope.

Wow, that looks like an 11 year olds wet dream.
Horrible.

OnePlus 3 Case - TUDIA Ultra Tough OMNIX [Heavy Duty] Hybrid [Full-body] Protective Case, best case imo
https://www.amazon.com/OnePlus-Case...=1-1-spons&keywords=tudia+case+oneplus+3&th=1

Here are some screens from Thor, but i am not using it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=67887857
About that Tudia, have it as well, but i am not satisfied with that so much... It's because through the hole for fingerprint sensor many times went through the humidity between front plastic cover and the glass of the phone, when i wear phone in my pocket in work, turned by side to my leg. As well front plastic cover after some time started cowering itself so when u touch on display through this u can feel it it doesn't fit.
But desing looking very nice, that tank cover has really nice desing
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CRYPTfromCATACOMBZ said:
Here are some screens from Thor, but i am not using it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=67887857
About that Tudia, have it as well, but i am not satisfied with that so much... It's because through the hole for fingerprint sensor many times went through the humidity between front plastic cover and the glass of the phone, when i wear phone in my pocket in work, turned by side to my leg. As well front plastic cover after some time started cowering itself so when u touch on display through this u can feel it it doesn't fit.
But desing looking very nice, that tank cover has really nice desing
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Yeah, wasn't to happy with the hole for FP scanner. I don't use the scanner and have it disabled, so I went down and bought a package of plastic laminating sheets and cut two oval pieces just bigger than the hole. Put one on front and one on back to cover hole. I work in a cabinet shop and sawdust was constantly getting in, so this solved my issue. I'm not sure, but the FP scanner might still work with it covered like that, not tried it yet to see. Other than that, that Tudia case is great, looks good and offers excellent drop protection. I know first hand, dropped phone from 3 foot up on concrete floor.

westentertainer said:
in the bin i hope.
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Nah, I found it today. I might put it back on.
I just have a standard silicone case right now. The Thor case isn't practical. It's really just for show.

Some pics I took. I it messes with your reception though lmao.

kenboyles72 said:
OnePlus 3 Case - TUDIA Ultra Tough OMNIX [Heavy Duty] Hybrid [Full-body] Protective Case, best case imo
https://www.amazon.com/OnePlus-Case...=1-1-spons&keywords=tudia+case+oneplus+3&th=1
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I confirm got a TUDIA slightly different model for my 3 and for like $8-9 (us.) couldn't be happier fits over D-brand zkins with no issues also