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Aftermarket Head Units - What's Coming?

I would assume that the Pioneer NEX units will be receiving Android Auto, but those are really bloated, expensive systems that do way more than I want, and almost all of them have resistive screens.
There is currently an Alpine CarPlay head unit that seems very nice, and has exactly what I would want (except it's CarPlay). I hope they make this sucker into an Android Auto head unit when it's available.
What would be even more awesome is if it enabled whatever system (CarPlay, Android Auto) based on what was plugged in, so you and your SO could have different phones.
Anyone know any other head units that may be on the way?

You might want to check out a chinese Android head unit. They aren't exactly android auto and have their drawbacks on both the hard- and software side but they are available to buy now and are often sold dirt cheap, compared to the prices established brands will probably charge for upcoming android auto devices

Parrot RNB
Check out the first description of the Parrot RNB posted over at the Connected Car forum here. Just announced at '15 CES. It is a double-DIN, Lollipop head unit that is compatible with both Apple and Android systems, gps, OBDII (!).
Here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2449005

I have a Kenwood ddx9902S and could not be happier.
dcdttu said:
I would assume that the Pioneer NEX units will be receiving Android Auto, but those are really bloated, expensive systems that do way more than I want, and almost all of them have resistive screens.
There is currently an Alpine CarPlay head unit that seems very nice, and has exactly what I would want (except it's CarPlay). I hope they make this sucker into an Android Auto head unit when it's available.
What would be even more awesome is if it enabled whatever system (CarPlay, Android Auto) based on what was plugged in, so you and your SO could have different phones.
Anyone know any other head units that may be on the way?
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BPryde said:
I have a Kenwood ddx9902S and could not be happier.
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I had the 9702s and it had several issues. Ever since my phone updated to 6.0.1 (a Nexus 6P), the audio coming out of it (spotify or GPM) was very quiet. Nothing I did fixed it. Also, when using Android Auto, once an overlay sound (notification, Google Voice Search) happened, the audio would have this audible static in it during bassy notes, only fixed by rebooting the head unit.
I even got a replacement head unit and it had the same issues.
I ended up getting a Joying Android 4.4.4 head unit instead of Android Auto. So far I am really impressed. The screen is really good, the sound is great, and it's got full Android as the head unit's OS.

Android Auto is now available for all drivers and cars

The in-car software is available on Android 5.0 phones for every driver to access
http://www.wired.co.uk/article/android-auto-all-cars
What does this mean? Can we get this apk and install this in our android HU's and have true android auto?

I've installed this on my MTCD device via the apk (google android auto apk mirror for the apk, I cannot post links yet). Make sure to install the correct arm/arm64/x86 version for your device, the top 3 Android Auto 2.0 are the three versions.
It runs extremely slow on my unit, curious to know if others have a better experience. I think I will stick with automate for now, but hoping that there will be continued development in the android auto pipeline. I think in my case it is limited by the hardware (1GB ram, som), but I bet the newer intel units will run it well.

i have a Joying 2GB, intel unit, I will try it this weekend

Running nice on my Samsung J7 / Mazda 3 SGT

I've only played with the app on my phone but I don't think it's been designed to work in the way you think. The new app is designed so your phone displays the Android Auto UI. If you install on a MTC Headunit, it's likely that it will assume your Headunit is the phone and not link to your phone (note - I'm assuming this based on what I've read and have not tried). However... If you only install on your phone and screen mirror to your headunit, it should be close to an Android Auto experience... Let me know if this works or if anything in my post is not true...

Yup, it is essentially the Android Auto UI optimized for phones on the MTCD head unit. No link to the phone is required (which is what I expected), however the slower MTC units are just too slow to run it well enough imo.
Wouldn't screen mirroring just display the UI and you would still have to interact with the phone for selections? I feel like that defeats the purpose of Android Auto.
If they made it so any Android tablet/HU could just be the display and touchscreen for Android Auto (similar to Pioneer etc) running on your phone, that would be awesome. Would achieve the functionality at a MUCH lower price tag than the Pioneer/Sony etc units and have way more flexibility for other apps.

To be honest, I've not played with screen mirror but I thought it allowed you to control your phone from the head unit as well as display it's screen (or so the marketing talk for my head unit claimed).

I thought it was uni-directional, but I have not tried it myself either (only got it a few weeks ago). After looking at some of the information, I think you might be right (assuming it really is mirror link). Hoping that is the case!

I loaded it on my Joying 2GB Intel 8 inch Android 5.1 unit
Much better than expected, although you still can't make calls on it

More pics

CadillacMike said:
I loaded it on my Joying 2GB Intel 8 inch Android 5.1 unit
Much better than expected, although you still can't make calls on it
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Of course not, it's expecting to be installed on a phone not a tablet.
Not one of these units have ever implemented the standard Android way of handling phone calls.

Bit of a disappointment, really. The "Your Places" and "Saved" menus from Google Maps do not seem to be available thru Android Auto.

Has anyone created a Xposed or root hack that will allow AA apps not approved by The Google to be ran using AA? For example I have been working on a update for K-9 mail that will read my mail and let me respond from AA. However there is no way to use it outside of the emulator and Google would never approve it.

when I try to make a call it tells me "Network not available". anybody getting the same error?

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when I try to make a call it tells me "Network not available". anybody getting the same error?
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From your phone? Or from an Android head unit?
I out AA on my Android head unit and it gets that error. Which is to be expected, as noted earlier by another poster, it is common for these Android units to not talk to the phone properly

Considering Android Auto and have some questions

I am thinking about replacing my car stereo with an android head unit.
I have been reading the forum but do have some open questions:
1. How good are these head units?
2. Most head units seem to run older versions of android so I am concerned that the playstore and apps are not going to be supported for much longer. Which headunits are somewhat modern (good specs) with good developer support. I assume there are no treble supported headunits yet?
3. My primary use case for an android headunit are:
- listen to podcasts (PocketCasts?)
- GPS navigations (Google Maps or Waze)
- see my reverse camera when backing up
- listen to music (Pandora, Spotify, youtube, or stored music)
- listen to the radio (probably nice to have)
4. I am planning to get a dashcam and I saw that some headunits integrate with dashcam + reversing camera
5. Would be nice to be able to use a Bluetooth or something remote on the steering wheel. Ideally something discreet/small that can be glued to the back of the steering wheel ...
6. I am not planning to install a separate SIM card in the head unit (thanks ridiculous carrier prices in the US). How successful have people been getting their headunit to rely on Wifi at home and tethering to the phone when driving.
7. I saw some threads about headunits "sleeping" when the car is off - I drive an electric car, so I definitely want the unit to be OFF when the car is off. Don't care if it takes 10-30 seconds to boot.
8. Any recommendations for single DIN headunits that match the above requirements/use case? Don't need or want a gigantic screen and certainly do not want a motorized screen ... there seem to be some nice headunits where a 7" screen is mounted to a single DIN unit and the screen can be moved up and down depending on where you need it in the car.

You are actually considering an Android head unit, not Android Auto.
This is Android Auto:
https://www.android.com/auto/
Android headunits have several dedicated sections here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android-auto/android-head-units
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android-auto/mtcb-android-head-units-qa - for older units running Android 4.4 or 5.1
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android-auto/mtcd-discussion-questions-development - for newer units
Since you do not seem familiar with Android headunits and their specifics I strongly advise against gambling on Chinese units. Getting an Android Auto/Car Play compatible unit from an established manufacturer (the Sony XAV AX-100 seems pretty popular) would be a much safer option at similar price.

Looking for the Android Auto headunit Apk/protocol

Hi,
I have a 2015 Audi A3, which unfortunately didn't come with AA as an option (I think it was introduced in 2017). It's a real pain to install the 2017 MMI into an older car, but there are guys out there developing aftermarket Android-based headunits that basically put a whole android "phone" in the dash; which isn't a very eloquent solution and kind of overkill in my opinion. They've got their own SIM cards and you have to change the bluetooth devices the phone is paired to and whatnot. It's really not exactly what I'm looking for. I just want AA and that's it.
Anyway there's one guy who's kind of got what I'm looking for . Unfortunately because the car also didn't come with a touchscreen, I have to toggle through the menus with the knobs and steering wheel buttons, which is meh. I'd love to put a digitizer overlay on the screen and play around with it, maybe have a daughter board made up and inject the screen coordinates into the packets somehow before it's sent down to the phone. I'm more of an EE, don't really have a lot of Android dev experience but I've got a lot of microcontroller and firmware experience. Anyway that's my high level idea of how this might work, not sure if I'm going in the right direction. I did ask the guy at RSNAV (seems to be a one-man show) last night if I might have the source code after signing an NDA and I'm awaiting his response. In the meantime I want to get a plan of action going.
So I'm wondering how AA is integrated on the client-side. Obviously the manufacturer headunits aren't running Android, but they've gotta communicate somehow with the phone. I can't find this info anywhere, I'm guessing this is info Google only shares with Auto manufacturers and the Kentwoods and Pioneers of the world. But maybe I'm wrong. I'm assuming it's a protobuf-based protocol between the headunit and the phone, but I don't know.
Can anybody help me out here? Thanks.

All my android auto head units are running android operating system two Chevy and one Mitsubishi. Main reason why poplar cars get rooted head units and what not. But after market android auto head unit is probably your best choice.

Question The good old Android Auto Vivo Problem

Hey Guys,
i searched the Web for a possibility to get AA running on my X70 Pro+ with Origin OS Ocean....
Unfortunately there are only Posts and Threads about the X60 and other Vivo Phones and so on .
The issue seems to be the same.
Has anyone found a workaround to get AA running on Origin OS....?
I was hoping for Android 12 to get the Phone going, but no Idea what time we will get Android 12 and if Vivo sets permissions for AA then.
Cheers and greetings from Germany

Hi,
Right now, there is unfortunately no way to get Android Auto working. After Android 10 Android Auto only trigger car installation of it is a system application. Since there is not the case with Vivo and you couldn't mount AA as a system, you are out of options to make it work.
There is a slight, but really a slight option that it might work with the new Coolwalk version which will be available later this year.
Otherwise, the head unit direct version is also in preparation.
If you want the working AA now, the only realistic option is to buy an Android CarPlay dongle, or using a spare phone with older Android version as a buffer triggered from your phone hotspot (or with a separate sim card).

piskr said:
Hi,
Right now, there is unfortunately no way to get Android Auto working. After Android 10 Android Auto only trigger car installation of it is a system application. Since there is not the case with Vivo and you couldn't mount AA as a system, you are out of options to make it work.
There is a slight, but really a slight option that it might work with the new Coolwalk version which will be available later this year.
Otherwise, the head unit direct version is also in preparation.
If you want the working AA now, the only realistic option is to buy an Android CarPlay dongle, or using a spare phone with older Android version as a buffer triggered from your phone hotspot (or with a separate sim card).
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Thank you very much for the detailed explanation

Im looking for an EZ solution too
But from my knowledge the only work around right now is root the phone and make AA an system app
which is not EZ for vivo since it does not allow to unlock bootloader

There is simply no chance to run AA with x70 pro+ now. The only viable solution are android dongles running on past Android versions and triggering car AA. Or even better - if you have or can buy cheap an Android 8, 9 or 10 phone with full gps and at least 4g ram (could be with broken screen or scratches), you can use it as an interface.

The only way to have android auto to work on your vehicle is to have the one with Funtouch OS (which I have), other than that, you will waste your time in trying to find a way to make it work..

piskr said:
Hi,
Right now, there is unfortunately no way to get Android Auto working. After Android 10 Android Auto only trigger car installation of it is a system application. Since there is not the case with Vivo and you couldn't mount AA as a system, you are out of options to make it work.
There is a slight, but really a slight option that it might work with the new Coolwalk version which will be available later this year.
Otherwise, the head unit direct version is also in preparation.
If you want the working AA now, the only realistic option is to buy an Android CarPlay dongle, or using a spare phone with older Android version as a buffer triggered from your phone hotspot (or with a separate sim card).
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Will a dongle fix the connection issue?

piskr said:
Hi,
Right now, there is unfortunately no way to get Android Auto working. After Android 10 Android Auto only trigger car installation of it is a system application. Since there is not the case with Vivo and you couldn't mount AA as a system, you are out of options to make it work.
There is a slight, but really a slight option that it might work with the new Coolwalk version which will be available later this year.
Otherwise, the head unit direct version is also in preparation.
If you want the working AA now, the only realistic option is to buy an Android CarPlay dongle, or using a spare phone with older Android version as a buffer triggered from your phone hotspot (or with a separate sim card).
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My head unit is after market and supports wireless. I know that my x fold won't hook up. Are you saying if I get carplay dongle I can hook my vivo wifi to it and it will work?

Sonicsoul25 said:
My head unit is after market and supports wireless. I know that my x fold won't hook up. Are you saying if I get carplay dongle I can hook my vivo wifi to it and it will work?
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The head unit has to support Android Auto. Then you can choose from a variety of dongles. Even though they have more or less the same chip, they are different. Each producer tries to squeeze the most from the device, and they have a different approach.
Basically, you must avoid those, which don't clearly stated that some version of Android is installed. Without Android you gain nothing, it's only wireless connection - for IOS.
Most of them have Android 9 or 10, though in the last time 11 appears as well. That is really interesting, because with Android 11 you must have AA as a system app in order to trigger it on a head unit. It looks like producers now solve that issue.
And surprisingly, the core you get on the head unit, if everything goes ok, is not Android, it's IOS. In that core you have android apps including Google Play.
Since, as I said, every unit has a unique configuration, it's not possible to recommend any. The device that I bought is not in the market anymore, for example.
The very piece that you buy must play well with your car head unit and everything what is behind. And behind is a lot, managing systems for settings, audio and other customization.
You must be aware, when you connect AA dongle, it cuts every other setting related to its management out.
Therefore, the biggest issue might be that you'll lose calling via Bluetooth functionality. Because callings (and old style sms) goes different way than other features. My dongle does support calling but in limited way, without Assistant support and with custom made phone app, where the contact selection is rather difficult. And the next flaw is that it doesn't get along with my car audio system, therefore woofers are not engaged. The dongle doesn't have an equalizer, and I can't remedy it.
There is noticeable lag when starting apps and with commands, but otherwise there is no lag when running. Music, video and Gmaps function without glitches. Yes, you have YouTube, Netflix and any other video app you might be subscribed to. And video runs well with a decent resolution. You can load apps from store or as a sideload. And you can play local files, stored either in the dongle memory or on USB.
That's my experience, others may have different. You don't have necessary to buy a dongle, you can use an old phone with Android from 8 to 10 as a driver. Because, as you may already guess, your actual phone serves only as a hot spot (wireless and if you're lucky bluetooth too - tethering) to provide a signal for AA dongle.
If you want to buy a dedicated device, select one which has reviews from the users with as much as possible similar circumstances and priorities as you have.

piskr said:
The head unit has to support Android Auto. Then you can choose from a variety of dongles. Even though they have more or less the same chip, they are different. Each producer tries to squeeze the most from the device, and they have a different approach.
Basically, you must avoid those, which don't clearly stated that some version of Android is installed. Without Android you gain nothing, it's only wireless connection - for IOS.
Most of them have Android 9 or 10, though in the last time 11 appears as well. That is really interesting, because with Android 11 you must have AA as a system app in order to trigger it on a head unit. It looks like producers now solve that issue.
And surprisingly, the core you get on the head unit, if everything goes ok, is not Android, it's IOS. In that core you have android apps including Google Play.
Since, as I said, every unit has a unique configuration, it's not possible to recommend any. The device that I bought is not in the market anymore, for example.
The very piece that you buy must play well with your car head unit and everything what is behind. And behind is a lot, managing systems for settings, audio and other customization.
You must be aware, when you connect AA dongle, it cuts every other setting related to its management out.
Therefore, the biggest issue might be that you'll lose calling via Bluetooth functionality. Because callings (and old style sms) goes different way than other features. My dongle does support calling but in limited way, without Assistant support and with custom made phone app, where the contact selection is rather difficult. And the next flaw is that it doesn't get along with my car audio system, therefore woofers are not engaged. The dongle doesn't have an equalizer, and I can't remedy it.
There is noticeable lag when starting apps and with commands, but otherwise there is no lag when running. Music, video and Gmaps function without glitches. Yes, you have YouTube, Netflix and any other video app you might be subscribed to. And video runs well with a decent resolution. You can load apps from store or as a sideload. And you can play local files, stored either in the dongle memory or on USB.
That's my experience, others may have different. You don't have necessary to buy a dongle, you can use an old phone with Android from 8 to 10 as a driver. Because, as you may already guess, your actual phone serves only as a hot spot (wireless and if you're lucky bluetooth too - tethering) to provide a signal for AA dongle.
If you want to buy a dedicated device, select one which has reviews from the users with as much as possible similar circumstances and priorities as you have.
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Thank you for the wealth of information. I Think I will just use my spare phone to run it. Until another solution arises.