Pulled a sidegrade over from my 4xl to the 5. All was good until I started playing with the camera and images.
In almost every shot micro detail is worse than my pixel 4xl.
This can be seen in things like text or tree branches. The wide angle is even worse. Is this a software issue? Or the difference in dedicated processing chip?
My bet the reason is the lack of telephoto lense. (Which was replaced by the wide angle lense that most of people were asking for last year)
I mean if you are talking about doing zoom in the area of the photo where you put all the focus. Then, yes, definitely must be the telephoto lense.
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thesebastian said:
My bet the reason is the lack of telephoto lense. (Which was replaced by the wide angle lense that most of people were asking for last year)
I mean if you are talking about doing zoom in the area of the photo where you put all the focus. Then, yes, definitely must be the telephoto lense.
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Sorry, I'm talking about standard camera shots from the main sensor.
I have returned my 5 now but in side by side comparison the 4xl had more details preserved than the pixel 5 when looking up close.
For example I took a photo of a desk with a ruler on it from about 6ft away and the 4xl preserved the millimetres markings where as the 5 was blurred.
Another was longer distance shots of trees or anything that had finer branch like or line details and again the 4xl was cleaner and sharper than the 5.
On a screen side by side it's hard to tell. Untill you blow the picture up.
There's a lot of camera issues starting to pop up. Coming from 3XL I also noticed a bit of softness. I've also noticed that low light portrait photos and normal front facing photos in low light are not detailed at all .Slow mo resolution video is not up to what it's advertised too. Hopefully there is a camera update coming soon.
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Sorry, I'm talking about standard camera shots from the main sensor.
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Well I hope I'm not wrong with this. But that's exactly what I was talking about.
We can agree that the telephoto was improving photos with Zoom (like 3X Zoom) and in some other camera modes.
But I'm also thinking that the telephoto was slightly improving the normal 1X shots in the "focus area" of the photo. I believe some telephoto lense sample was added to the HDR+ shots.
I might be wrong but I think I read something about that.
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Has Anyone else noticed that the front camera is capable of taking much wider picture? ?? if you switch mode from SELFIE to Wide Selfie, you'll notice that the camera is capable of taking much wider angle picture. wonder why sammy didn't use this? regular SELFIE seems to crop significant amount of picture..
The front facing camera is usually used for taking photos of your face, this is why, by default it is set to normal mode, not wide.
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Has Anyone else noticed that the front camera is capable of taking much wider picture? ?? if you switch mode from SELFIE to Wide Selfie, you'll notice that the camera is capable of taking much wider angle picture. wonder why sammy didn't use this? regular SELFIE seems to crop significant amount of picture..
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Yeah that's been advertised since about two notes ago.
But you have to pan back and forth in wide selfie. Like a panorama.
i understand you have to pan it back and forth, but even not panning it's still covers wider angle than just regular "selfie". it would be nice to be able to capture wider on front camera. which is what Pixel 3 is doing.
insang-droid said:
i understand you have to pan it back and forth, but even not panning it's still covers wider angle than just regular "selfie". it would be nice to be able to capture wider on front camera. which is what Pixel 3 is doing.
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I compared and saw no difference in coverage area if I didnt pan.
Ok, so I really want to love this phone but I can't figure out why the front camera wide angle photos look sharp (almost too sharp) and the normal 8 Mp photos from the front camera have no detail whatsoever. Look at the attached picture and compare the clarity of the nose, eyes, and eyebrows. The difference is huge. When taking portraits, you don't have an option to take wide angle photos, so portraits from the 8Mp camera don't look good. Normal camera should be the same as the one in G7, but it's not nearly as good.
No effects / skin smoothing etc is applied, so I'm thinking mine is defective. Can you guys take some side by side normal and wide angle photos with the front camera to compare?
Thanks.
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Your “standard” camera looks unfocused, which is why it is blurrier.
That said, after some testing I do think the “wide” selfie camera looks better in general. The main thing that bothers me is the two cameras have differing color profiles. I prefer the default color profile of the wide, so that looks better to be.
The same problem applies to the rear camera as well.
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It doesn't seem to focus. When I tap on the screen, all it does is change the exposure / brightness, but there is no change in focusing. It seems that both front cameras have a fixed focus because neither adjust to tapping, but wide angle has a good bit more detail.
I stopped by the store and took two pictures side by side - store unit was noticeably better, though as good as I would've liked. I'm getting another G7 for my wife and will have to compare them.
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shoes22 said:
Your “standard” camera looks unfocused, which is why it is blurrier.
That said, after some testing I do think the “wide” selfie camera looks better in general. The main thing that bothers me is the two cameras have differing color profiles. I prefer the default color profile of the wide, so that looks better to be.
The same problem applies to the rear camera as well.
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From what I can tell, and based on some reviews I've watched, front cameras have fixed focus... maybe, due to this, the main lens has a larger minimum distance that needs to be maintained for a clearer shot. It still seems a bit off.. but I've been able to get somewhat better shots out of it holding the camera a bit farther away. I'm getting a G7 for my wife, so I'll be able to do some comparisons.
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Your “standard” camera looks unfocused, which is why it is blurrier.
That said, after some testing I do think the “wide” selfie camera looks better in general. The main thing that bothers me is the two cameras have differing color profiles. I prefer the default color profile of the wide, so that looks better to be.
The same problem applies to the rear camera as well.
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From what I can tell, and based on some reviews I've watched, front cameras have fixed focus... maybe, due to this, the main lens has a larger minimum distance that needs to be maintained for a clearer shot. It still seems a bit off.. but I've been able to get somewhat better shots out of it holding the camera a bit farther away. I'm getting a G7 for my wife, so I'll be able to do some comparisons.
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Can you help me to check the camera sensor using 'device hw info' from playstore?
I can.. what would you like to know?
harysviewty said:
Can you help me to check the camera sensor using 'device hw info' from playstore?
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I can.. what would you like to know?
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v40/how-to/lg-v40-pentacamera-sensors-t3870789
I just wanna make sure that what I wrote here is correct. Some say that the front camera is sl846, not Sony imx219 sensor
I can post a screenshot, but everything is exactly the same as in the image you posted in the thread you linked. It doesn't say exactly which camera model it is.. only the specs..
I can say this - I just compared the front camera with a G7, and the G7 is a little brighter and clearer, at least in semi-low light situation. It's possible that the main camera on my V40 is defective, but not bad enough to worry about it right now.
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v40/how-to/lg-v40-pentacamera-sensors-t3870789
I just wanna make sure that what I wrote here is correct. Some say that the front camera is sl846, not Sony imx219 sensor
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I can post a screenshot, but everything is exactly the same as in the image you posted in the thread you linked. It doesn't say exactly which camera model it is.. only the specs..
I can say this - I just compared the front camera with a G7, and the G7 is a little brighter and clearer, at least in semi-low light situation. It's possible that the main camera on my V40 is defective, but not bad enough to worry about it right now.
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Do you still have G7? Is it using 3 imx351 & 1 sl846?
Yes, I got the G7 yesterday. How can I tell the model number of the camera? I don't think the Device Info HW app tells me that. It only shows specs.
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Do you still have G7? Is it using 3 imx351 & 1 sl846?
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Found it. Attached photo is for the V40. G7 lists imx351 and sl846.
Interesting to note that the 16mp rear wide angle cameras have a different focal length between V40 and G7 - 2.18mm vs. 2.38mm. Both are f/1.9.
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Do you still have G7? Is it using 3 imx351 & 1 sl846?
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Found it. Attached photo is for the V40. G7 lists imx351 and sl846.
Interesting to note that the 16mp rear wide angle cameras have a different focal length between V40 and G7 - 2.18mm vs. 2.38mm. Both are f/1.9.
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Thank you so much for your help. ?
Do you find any difference in picture quality from both of these phones (the identical sensors)?
Wait... Different focal length?, I hope this isn't like LG G6 variants
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g6/how-to/lg-g6-wide-angle-camera-2-versions-one-t3712985/page1
Not sure about the focal length differences...but they're definitely not the same.
When taking a close-up selfie, the main camera on the G7 is much clearer than the V40's. But V40's wide angle is sharper than the main camera, and despite lower resolution, is much closer in clarity to the G7 only front camera. At a distance, the difference is a bit harder to notice.
That said, I did compare my phone to another V40 in the store, and the store demo was clearer, so I think mine might just be defective. I'm just not sure if it's worth trying to replace, since I would likely have to pay restocking and I don't want a refurbished unit from LG.
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Thank you so much for your help.
Do you find any difference in picture quality from both of these phones (the identical sensors)?
Wait... Different focal length?, I hope this isn't like LG G6 variants
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g6/how-to/lg-g6-wide-angle-camera-2-versions-one-t3712985/page1
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I guess everybody noticed already that you cannot use the telephoto lens whenever you please, since it's only used on good lighting situations, and cannot be used in pro mode. The reason why must be because this camera is terrible at low light, likely because of the 0.9 nm pixel pits on the sensor. I will attach a photo taken with the telephoto lens, and a cropped one of the same scene taken with the main camera, so you can see my point.
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I guess everybody noticed already that you cannot use the telephoto lens whenever you please, since it's only used on good lighting situations, and cannot be used in pro mode. The reason why must be because this camera is terrible at low light, likely because of the 0.9 nm pixel pits on the sensor. I will attach a photo taken with the telephoto lens, and a cropped one of the same scene taken with the main camera, so you can see my point.
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dont understand.
plus the pictures aren't even taken at the same time so not sure what you are trying to show.
They were taken under the same lightning conditions. I was trying to show how the telephoto camera compares to the main one at night, since it's something that the phone won't let you do easily.
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They were taken under the same lightning conditions. I was trying to show how the telephoto camera compares to the main one at night, since it's something that the phone won't let you do easily.
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oh ok.
i wonder why the number of lights in the building is not the same. and the star in the sky should have still been visible id think.
They were taken 15 minutes apart.
Has anyone else noticed when shooting with the telephoto lens at 2x the pixel 4 (I have the XL) is savings photos at a reduced 12.2mp? The sensor is supposed to be 16mp. Why are the images being saved at reduced quality? I've climbed through the settings to include developers' options with no way to save at full 16mp resolution. Am I missing something here?
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Has anyone else noticed when shooting with the telephoto lens at 2x the pixel 4 (I have the XL) is savings photos at a reduced 12.2mp? The sensor is supposed to be 16mp. Why are the images being saved at reduced quality? I've climbed through the settings to include developers' options with no way to save at full 16mp resolution. Am I missing something here?
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It is 16mp. But it's just using that sensor for the zoom amongst other things. But the image will still be 12.2mp. Kinda like Huawei's 40mp sensor giving you 10mp images. It's not a reduced quality, the images are still beautiful and we'll printable if that's your thing.
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Has anyone else noticed when shooting with the telephoto lens at 2x the pixel 4 (I have the XL) is savings photos at a reduced 12.2mp? The sensor is supposed to be 16mp. Why are the images being saved at reduced quality? I've climbed through the settings to include developers' options with no way to save at full 16mp resolution. Am I missing something here?
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It only uses the centre 12MP of the sensor by design. When you digitally zoom in that is what happens on all sensors - you only use a small part of the whole sensor.
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It only uses the center 12MP of the sensor by design. When you digitally zoom in, that is what happens on all sensors - you only use a small part of the whole sensor.
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I've been a photographer since the 80's learning on film and progressing to digital. I've owned the Canon 5D versions 1,2,3, and 4. The 1DX mark 1 and 2 and currently shoot with a Sony a9 and A7RIII. I understand crop fully; that's why I was asking if it's a 16mp sensor, and they are saving it at 12.2, then something is going on in the background. I was doing Google searches without getting any info on this. I was trying to figure out what Google was doing in the background. So basically, what your saying is the telephoto lens was going to crop in on a 12.2 mp sensor, so they went with a higher density 16mp sensor to ensure a quality photo in the end. Basically keep both the standard and telephoto quality uniformed, got it thanks ?
I have had trouble taking photos from close angles. Anthony closer than 6 inches is blurry and gives me a "move back to improve focus" message. I tried open camera as an alternative, but have the same blurry quality photo. I'm not looking for macro photos, but I do like taking closeup shots. Just wondered if anyone had noticed the same issue, and if you've found a work around for it.
I tried the same distance with my Galaxy S10+ as well as a Note 8, and they both handled the shots well. The second picture was taken by the Pixel, the 1st and 3rd taken by the S10+.
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I have had trouble taking photos from close angles. Anthony closer than 6 inches is blurry and gives me a "move back to improve focus" message. I tried open camera as an alternative, but have the same blurry quality photo. I'm not looking for macro photos, but I do like taking closeup shots. Just wondered if anyone had noticed the same issue, and if you've found a work around for it.
I tried the same distance with my Galaxy S10+ as well as a Note 8, and they both handled the shots well.
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There's no workaround. It's a common thing with new smartphone cameras. Step further, take a photo and then crop into your desired space.
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There's no workaround. It's a common thing with new smartphone cameras. Step further, take a photo and then crop into your desired space.
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Thanks man. I guess I am going to have to wait and get a macro option in my next upgrade. Progress
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Thanks man. I guess I am going to have to wait and get a macro option in my next upgrade. Progress
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If you really care about macro photography then you should get a phone with an autofocus macro lens, none of these useless 2 megapixel cameras that are being thrown in every phone these days. I'd rather use the main sensor than to use these awful sensors.
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If you really care about macro photography then you should get a phone with an autofocus macro lens, none of these useless 2 megapixel cameras that are being thrown in every phone these days. I'd rather use the main sensor than to use these awful sensors.
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Well you are right. I would pay for the exra feature if it didn't involve exra large phones with curved screens. But that is another topic....
I guess I don't look at closeup photos and macro photography as the same thing. The S10+ I took the above photo with has a 16mp and two 12mp cameras. They seem to perform fairly well in this range, but I know that I am not going to pick up the detail on the eyes of a bee with them (which is what I consider macro to be).
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Well you are right. I would pay for the exra feature if it didn't involve exra large phones with curved screens. But that is another topic....
I guess I don't look at closeup photos and macro photography as the same thing. The S10+ I took the above photo with has a 16mp and two 12mp cameras. They seem to perform fairly well in this range, but I know that I am not going to pick up the detail on the eyes of a bee with them (which is what I consider macro to be).
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I fully understand what you mean. As for big phones, that's the exact reason why I chose the smaller Pixel 7, even if I'm missing the telephoto and the macro.
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Well you are right. I would pay for the exra feature if it didn't involve exra large phones with curved screens. But that is another topic....
I guess I don't look at closeup photos and macro photography as the same thing. The S10+ I took the above photo with has a 16mp and two 12mp cameras. They seem to perform fairly well in this range, but I know that I am not going to pick up the detail on the eyes of a bee with them (which is what I consider macro to be).
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I noticed also that the minimun focus distance is quite far away. Althought, I've been happy with the results of the 2x crop (before taking the picture). Just get the minimun focus distance, then hit the 2x and take the picture. That big sensor and Super Res Zoom does the rest. Results are quite ok IMO.
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I noticed also that the minimun focus distance is quite far away. Althought, I've been happy with the results of the 2x crop (before taking the picture). Just get the minimun focus distance, then hit the 2x and take the picture. That big sensor and Super Res Zoom does the rest. Results are quite ok IMO.
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That's a good tip! Thanks!