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I have a nook color, I was wondering if anyone notices a very slight screen flicker like a low refresh rate? Most people would not notice. It doesn't bother me much but I wanted to see if its normal. I notice it most on a dark grey background at 50 percent or lower brightness.
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Yes! finally someone that notices it! I have been posting this on other forums. I notice it too on dark backgrounds with about 20-40% brightness, Not sure if it can ever be fixed with an update, but it is sometimes annoying, although not highly noticeable.
I have worked with computer enough that I can tell the refresh rate of a crt just by looking at it. If its normal I am not to worried I justed wanted to know if it was defective because ill switch it out before I root it.
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I get the same thing, very noticeable when you are changing the brightness setting. I use the lowest brightness to read an eBook, and I can really notice the flicker when I lower the brightness, but I can notice it when I get back to the reading screen.
I see it on darker images...its so subtle I ignore it.
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I still have mine stock... but I see it as well.
Anyone that has loaded any other apps notice it in those apps? i.e. does it flicker noticably in Angry Birds? or other apps?
thanks.
J
I wonder if it being an IPS screen has anything to do with it. It doesnt bother me to much but causes more eye strain than reading from my htc g2. You would think they would make sure an ebook reader doesnt flicker. oh well i can deal with it.
sdelcegno said:
I wonder if it being an IPS screen has anything to do with it. It doesnt bother me to much but causes more eye strain than reading from my htc g2. You would think they would make sure an ebook reader doesnt flicker. oh well i can deal with it.
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It's not the screen, per se, but the LED's that are lighting it up. From what I've read, LED's can't vary output with respect to voltage (they're not dimmable), so you have to pulse them very fast to change the output. I assume that the lower the "level" the more the LED is off vs. on, hence the flicker.
Dang I can't post links yet...
Go to Wikipedia, and look for :
/wiki/Backlight#Flicker_due_to_backlight_dimming
I'm pretty sensitive to this, but haven't noticed it on my iPad, but apparently it does it as well. I was wondering why the stock lowest brightness levels were so friggin' bright - probably at the threshold of flicker. You can dim more in a browser or ebook app, which is where I see reports of flicker.
Go to Discussions dot apple dot com
/thread.jspa?threadID=2398784
Another reason why I like my old CCFL IPS 12" ThinkPad X32!
-Dan
While you can dim an LED by limiting the current (either via inline resistors or with constant current drivers), you can only do so to a degree. Below a certain current, they will simply not light even though the current goes through the LED. On high performance LED's this is still at a pretty bright level. So instead you use PWM (Pulse Width Modulation) and vary the duty cycle to brighten and dim the LED. As the PWM is at a fixed frequency, with more or less of the cycle being lit or unlit, once the unlit portion becomes substantially longer than the Lit part, you can detect the "Flicker" if you are sensitive to it. This is usually particularly noticeable in the "corner of the eye" if you pan you vision across the area and the device gets paned across you field of vision.
This is done on all the new LED tail lights on cars as well and I hate seeing them at night, when they are almost making me nauseous from the flicker.
Good info thanks. Makes sense but wonder why I don't notice on my led backlit netbook. Guess every screen is different.
yea I really wish there was an update to fix this, but i guess it's just the screen, funny how I have never noticed this on any LCD screen I have ever had from computer to TV
three nook colors - my experience with flicker
My first nookColor had screen flicker, also a mind of its own with phantom taps. Nook #2. Did not have noticeable screen flicker but did have a handful of stuck pixels. Took it back and picked up #3. No stuck pixels, but I've got screen flicker on dark colors. Find it strange that nook #2 didn't have te problem with the flicker. I don't like the flicker at all but think it may be timento live with it.
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Has any one returned a flikering nook color and gotten a better one in return?
Hello, I am having a similar problem with angry birds. My screen sometimes will flash different colors and today the screen stayed completely red for 2 or 3 seconds while playing the game. But other than that I love the rooted nook color. Maybe the graphics chip is not powerful enough for this game.
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What you described with angry birds is not the problem I am having. Mine is screen flicker. My eye can basically detect the refresh rate with low brightness or in darker colors.
Tried to change it out. Would say that Best Buy is much easier to exchange things at than Barnes & Noble. Eventually they switched mine out and the new one had a dead pixel. They then let me open two more in store in the store all had dead pixels, so did their display model. All presented in the lower right hand corner of the screen. Would be covered up by the black menu bar normally, but visible when the black menu bar goes away.
Anyway I kept my flickering nook, and talked to someone at Barnes and Noble tech support on the phone. He told me the dead pixels were new to him, but they knew about screen flicker issues. He said they would be releasing a firmware update to address this and other problems very soon.
Just wanted to note that none of these nook colors were rooted.
Yes, same here, I have that on my Witstech A81 (resistive screen) too, more noticeable when the battery level drops. Never noticed this problem on my iPhones or iPad though...can't be Android related can it?
glacon said:
What you described with angry birds is not the problem I am having. Mine is screen flicker. My eye can basically detect the refresh rate with low brightness or in darker colors.
Tried to change it out. Would say that Best Buy is much easier to exchange things at than Barnes & Noble. Eventually they switched mine out and the new one had a dead pixel. They then let me open two more in store in the store all had dead pixels, so did their display model. All presented in the lower right hand corner of the screen. Would be covered up by the black menu bar normally, but visible when the black menu bar goes away.
Anyway I kept my flickering nook, and talked to someone at Barnes and Noble tech support on the phone. He told me the dead pixels were new to him, but they knew about screen flicker issues. He said they would be releasing a firmware update to address this and other problems very soon.
Just wanted to note that none of these nook colors were rooted.
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Thanks. I can see the flicker too on gray screens. I have no other issues though (minus a tiny, tiny bit of give on the bottom bezel). I'll wait and hope it gets fixed in an update. I don't have a lot of time to keep exchanging a good unit.
If it is a known issue and a firmware fix is planed, then I am content with my rooted nook. Thanks for this thread.
I took mine back to B&N today to see if replacing it would fix it. Both store displays didn't have any flicker.
They opened two different nooks and they did the same flickering thing.
So I called Nook technical support. He put me on hold for about 5 minutes. He said he checked about 5 nooks and they all flickered. But he hadn't noticed it before.
So, he will put a ticket into the development team to have it looked at.
So, another confirmation that Nook tech support is aware and looking into it.
My first Nook did not display this behavior. I returned it due to creaking issues, and the replacement did display screen flicker.
I'm hoping it's a firmware issue and not a hardware one!
Currently not a big deal though...
I just noted (pardon the pun) that there are lines vertical ans horizontal lines when displaying white. This is my second phone. I went back to cpw and changed this one has similar horizontal lines. Its very very very faint, but I can see it. Im not sure why, it is because of the AMOLED screen, how it works?
Very annoyed. what can i do? every phone CPW has cant be faulty?
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I just noted (pardon the pun) that there are lines vertical ans horizontal lines when displaying white. This is my second phone. I went back to cpw and changed this one has similar horizontal lines. Its very very very faint, but I can see it. Im not sure why, it is because of the AMOLED screen, how it works?
Very annoyed. what can i do? every phone CPW has cant be faulty?
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I've only had mine a day but cant see any lines like you've mentioned... maybe a bad batch they got in? Maybe something to do with the S-pen's digitizer screen, i assume that will have some form of grid to it
AMOLED seems to have weaknesses at low brightness levels.
Some have seen very faint lines .
Also on minimum brightness some reported a faint changing of the hue of the display.
The screen is also very bright (whites) on min brightness.
If you display a greyscale step pattern black is absolute black but
others that should be near black are too bright.
http://www.execulink.com/~impact/docs/utils/StepGray16G.jpg
I think its just the AMOLED tech but check the display thread too.
In normal use the screen is amazing,
all technologies seem to have good and weak points if you look for them.
You are not the only one with this problem. I'm on my third galaxy note now... The first one had dead pixels and the right side was darker than the left side. The second one had much more dark horizontal and vertical lines and smudges. The third one at first had very faint lines and smudges, but it is becoming more visible now. There are several threads about this issue on this forum.. My guess is that these problems are pretty widespread (more or less visible on some gnotes) and that there were some bad batches or that the Amoled technology is the problem. Would love to hear the reason to these issues from Samsung.
No lines on mine. White is white and everything shows up excellent.
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No lines on mine. White is white and everything shows up excellent.
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So you tell me you don't have banding at all?
No ****ty black-grey in videos?
MartijnMM said:
So you tell me you don't have banding at all?
No ****ty black-grey in videos?
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Depending on the source if I'm watching say the end credits (white words on black screen) they get like a greyish glow around them
AMOLED limitations, ppl!
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So you tell me you don't have banding at all?
No ****ty black-grey in videos?
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If you disable the automatic light control and just snap the backlight up from 0% to anything above, you will not see any grayish things in video on the Note. I don't have this problem, but I've heard that some people have had to do this to solve this issue.
I don't have any bandings or strange lines anywhere on the screen. It looks as good as my Galaxy S II and Galaxy Tab. I haven't seen anything out of the ordinary (considering the limitations of the AMOLED screen).
There have been concerns about the lines on the white though. I don't have any of those on mine, but it seems some screens show up this fault. I don't know how to solve this issue and would recommend returning it as soon as possible.
Using the recommended gray test on the Note didn't show up anything but a solid grey screen on mine, although I've heard much people have dark spots all over. It might be something about where the phone was manufactured, or when.
My Note have never had anything wrong with the screen or anything else. The only problem I've ever had is applications that use 16 bit color instead of the Notes 32 bit. This will make color look strange at times, but it's totally normal.
Note that this isn't something wrong with the hardware, it's merely a software problem that will be solved as soon as ICS is released.
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If you disable the automatic light control and just snap the backlight up from 0% to anything above, you will not see any grayish things in video on the Note. I don't have this problem, but I've heard that some people have had to do this to solve this issue.
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Check this video, you REALLY have no artifacts?
I don't have any bandings or strange lines anywhere on the screen. It looks as good as my Galaxy S II and Galaxy Tab. I haven't seen anything out of the ordinary (considering the limitations of the AMOLED screen).
There have been concerns about the lines on the white though. I don't have any of those on mine, but it seems some screens show up this fault. I don't know how to solve this issue and would recommend returning it as soon as possible.
Using the recommended gray test on the Note didn't show up anything but a solid grey screen on mine, although I've heard much people have dark spots all over. It might be something about where the phone was manufactured, or when.
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Lines/spots are due to ****ty quality control, this is just a matter of luck.
My Note have never had anything wrong with the screen or anything else. The only problem I've ever had is applications that use 16 bit color instead of the Notes 32 bit. This will make color look strange at times, but it's totally normal.
Note that this isn't something wrong with the hardware, it's merely a software problem that will be solved as soon as ICS is released.
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I have yet to see ANYTHING with more then 65k colors, even in the browser.
All i see is some VERY clever dithering very hard to see due to the high resolution.
Coming from the HD2, I'm really disappointed, nothing gained in 3 years (well, more pixels, so harder to see the flaws).
I took 3 picture with a green gradient:
1) 1280width, so basicly 1280 levels of green, but 24bit only shows 255.
2) 255width, so basicly 255 levels of green, 24bit.
3) 64 width, so basicly 64 levels of green, 16bit.
They all look the same to me, in browser and in gallery. I see dither in each of them. This tell me the whole screen is 16/18 bit only.
Maybe the PenTile is playing tricks with me...
Or the grainy screen lets me think its dithered...
i am facing a similar problem..whenever i apply some photo having a lot of black in it as my lock screen image..there seems to be some horizontal gray lines in it..but when i look in the gallery the black is pure black (no horizontal gray lines at all)...is there any problem in the software only ? or is it something regarding the screen?
Hi guys,
So somehow, (and I really have no idea how I even managed to do this) I went three months without noticing the horrendous black clipping on my Int. Note. Last night I was cursing YouTube's streaming and then realised something was up. After a quick look at the test PNG which I quickly discovered I'm unable to see 1, 2 and 3 which makes for a pretty ugly experience when watching darker videos.
So my question is this. Should I root and go ParanoidAndroid to try and alleviate my issue (I assume part of this process will include flashing a new kernel which is where the issue lies?) or is there a chance that Samsung will ship a new kernel with the imminent (we hope) JB update?
I'm no newbie to rooting and totally hacked my HTC Desire to within an inch of it's life (figuratively speaking, I never bricked it) and I'm always tinkering with an Advent Vega for fun. However, I'm a bit worn out by rooting and reading up on all the proper routes, new radios, kernel issues, bugs etc. I'd like a 'quiet' life with the Note where possible!
Do you think I'll 'get away' with rooting this time or is it going to be likely needed to fix this problem?
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Hi guys,
So somehow, (and I really have no idea how I even managed to do this) I went three months without noticing the horrendous black clipping on my Int. Note. Last night I was cursing YouTube's streaming and then realised something was up. After a quick look at the test PNG which I quickly discovered I'm unable to see 1, 2 and 3 which makes for a pretty ugly experience when watching darker videos.
So my question is this. Should I root and go ParanoidAndroid to try and alleviate my issue (I assume part of this process will include flashing a new kernel which is where the issue lies?) or is there a chance that Samsung will ship a new kernel with the imminent (we hope) JB update?
Do you think I'll 'get away' with rooting this time or is it going to be likely needed to fix this problem?
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My opinion:
Samsung correcting the Gamma table on the firmware, so dark colors appear really dark and not light gray or completly black is unlikely. They are following the strategy embraced by other manufacturers and just release a new model with a slightly better CPU and fixes for the bugs of the previous model.
xda-developers community releasing a ROM that is realy usable and fixes this: not likely either. A ROM that has no support for camera, HD recording, FM radio or S-Pen is not going to convince many people to switch.
I recently took my Note to Samsung technical service because the screen looked yellow (another known manufacturing defect), and they replaced the entire screen, but the new one shows the same black clipping problem.
Apps like filter your screen just lower the contrast so the blacks become more gray, but the darkest tone of gray the Note can show is still too bright, leading to anything below RGB (50,50,50) appearing almost the same tone of gray.
I have just moved to a phone by other company and compared it to the Galaxy Note:
Screen is IPS, viewing angle is not so ample as in an AMOLED but at least white appears white, not light brown
The gammatest.png image is displayed correctly, top row of squares going from black to very dark gray.
Brightness on the Note is limited to avoid burning the AMOLED too fast, and even so, I had burn-in on the top of the screen after only 3 months
My new phone has 1 GB RAM, and 980 MB are listed, not 808, and I have 400 used normally, with 580 free. Note had usually 700 MB used
My new phone seems to spend more time on deep sleep, no Samsung apps or services working on the background
I haven't seen people talk about screen issues in a long time. Is this finally resolved?
what screen issue? no issues with the screen here, and i got mine in november.
I had a screen issue where half the screen tint was yellower than the other half. I held off on an RMA. It corrected itself overtime. 64GB Midnight Blue direct from Motorola.
I don't doubt that there were screen issues and I'm sure some owners did have significant problems, but my take on the whole "screen issue" topic was that it was exaggerated. I ordered my device (64GB MB) in December and got it in January and have had no screen issues. AMOLED screens are prone to burn in/image retention, and people are more likely to post if they have a problem rather than no problems. When people need a completely grey screen to notice retention/burn in to complain about they are just looking for something to complain about.
I had the screen issue where 1/2 my screen would freeze. My RMA has been fine and I received it back in December.
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I had the screen issue where 1/2 my screen would freeze. My RMA has been fine and I received it back in December.
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Friend of mine had the same issue couple times but then it stopped and now is working fine.
Did someone figure out what was the problem?
Just bought my nexus on Saturday and I am experiencing this issue. What's the likelihood of it being just a software issue? Don't want to exchange it if there's a software fix.
From reading past threads, I know of three 'screen' issues.
1. pink/salmon coloring on low brightness
2. split screen jumbling/distortion
3. burn in/image retention
My phone was manufactured 1/15/2015.
Specifically ordered from tmobile, so midnight blue.
1. I don't have any pinking/salmon tint on lowest brightness. I use the lowest brightness by default and I have looked at a pure white background. This is certainly a more subjective issue.
2. I don't have the split screen bull**** I've seen. That's clearly broken and a hardware issue so send it back for an RMA.
3. Remains to be seen on my phone. I went ahead and disabled the softkeys, and added pie control just in case. I don't think this is 'fixable'.
I have noticed that the pink/salmon coloring on lowest setting varies from one rom to the other. No issues on stock, or stock based Roms. Definitely see it on anything I've flashed that was AOSP built or CM.
Just my experience.
I got my 64gb Midnight Blue yesterday and I've noticed some fine vertical and horizontal lines on the screen.
Its especially visible on white/grey or solid colour images. When scrolling a webpage the contents move but the lines stay stationary. I have a very similar issue as whats shown in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9jKKzB4NUQ
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I got my 64gb Midnight Blue yesterday and I've noticed some fine vertical and horizontal lines on the screen.
Its especially visible on white/grey or solid colour images. When scrolling a webpage the contents move but the lines stay stationary. I have a very similar issue as whats shown in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9jKKzB4NUQ
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Sadly a by product of AMOLED. I've seen this issue a lot worse on older phones like the early Galaxy S'.
You can probably try to get an RMA, but I suspect that this issue is going to be present in some mild way on most devices.
So my p20 pro has a grey uniformity issue. You can check too with the display tester app. Switch to dark grey colour in the app. Bring down brightness to 1% and check in dark room. I have attached an image. I ll be getting a replcement, hope the replacement doesnt have the issue.
Here it is
My screen is exactly the same. Did you get your screen fixed?
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My screen is exactly the same. Did you get your screen fixed?
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I got my mobile replaced. This time its better. Though not completely uniform (there's a bit dark and light grey mixture) but certainly not like my previous unit
And also check the black crush issue on 0 brightness in a dark room. Play a video with perfect blacks and you will see light leakage on screen.
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I got my mobile replaced. This time its better. Though not completely uniform (there's a bit dark and light grey mixture) but certainly not like my previous unit
And also check the black crush issue on 0 brightness in a dark room. Play a video with perfect blacks and you will see light leakage on screen.
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Ok nice! Maybe I'll try to get mine replaced too
Yeah I noticed the black rush while playing a game in the dark. I guess that problem still persist in your replaced phone?
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Ok nice! Maybe I'll try to get mine replaced too
Yeah I noticed the black rush while playing a game in the dark. I guess that problem still persist in your replaced phone?
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Yes its actually a software problem and hope its resolved in future updates.