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Hi everyone,
I have started looking into using a PS3 controller as an input device for my Diamond.
I want the adility to play games using a PS3 contoller over bluetooth, as the device doesnt have good controls for games. I have managed to get my ps3 controller to work over usb on my pc Next step is to get my controller over blueooth to my pc, I will keep updating this thread
I have found some useful web pages
how get input from PS3 controller over wired with source code: http://www.codeproject.com/KB/mcpp/wiredps3axis.aspx
How to get ps3 controller over bluetooth on linux with source code: http://fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=199246
I dont really know what Im doing when it comes to wm6 and making a device work with wm6. I dont know much about the bluetooth stack either. I will probably need to write some sort of a driver at some point. To catch the input from the controller and convert it into a command on my diamond.
So any help of any kind would be great. Any problems you can see with my plan?
Sorry not sure if this is the right place to put this thread so move if you want.
Well, that didnt go to well.
The controller is appearing in my bluetooth manager on my pc, but i cant connect or query its services.
Now Im really stuck
if someone could help me get some trace data from the connection, or enlighten me to a way of getting some information out of the bluetooth stack.
Thx,
Chris McNamee
Assuming that the PS3 doesn't use a proprietary communication protocol that can't be reverse engineered, this should be possible.
However, I suggest looking here first to get source and discussion re use of the Wii mote on the PPC first.
Then re implement the PS3's control mechanisms.
http://www.codeplex.com/WiiMoB/Thread/View.aspx?ThreadId=10953
There's further discussions here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=335973
and here:
http://forums.neurostechnology.com/index.php?topic=9759.0
to get you started. Interesting project though!
V
Thanks
Cheers vijay555,
I will have a look as soon as I get a bit of free time
Hmmmm
Thanks vijay555
There is some excellent information on some of those links, but will need to get a wiimote. I cant tell if the drivers have been loaded by the wm6
but i was wondering, how does wm6 know which device its talking to over bluetooth?
It must be via a device serial or something, but what is the term for it?
like i said im a bit of a novice
Yeah, now we're cooking
I found an alternative, the wii remote/classic controller it uses bluetooth and there is lots of source code and examples
http://sourceforge.net/projects/wiiuse/
it comes with a libaray for windows and an example of how to use
all the source code is there to downloading
Now all I need is a wii remote
and to get it going on my pc, then port to PPC.
Then I need to write a frontend to control what action on the mote do on my PPC. Should be easy
sounds like an interesting project, keep us updated!
It has begun
Yesterday I bought a wii controller and got it talking to my pc using the wiiuse.
Wiiuse is open source and it has code already to interpret the controls of the wiimote, including the ir sensing, accelerometer, wii nunchuck, and the classic controller. Which we be very useful, as I dont need to work it out myself.
Also I have got wiimob, kind of working. It uses a library called bluetools to controller the bluetooth (which is pay for, so will need to find/make an alternative at some point but works for now). I have got to the point the author got stuck at (comment in the code says he never got passed), so Im kind of on my own now. Wiimob can search for wiimotes, then search it services but fails when trying to get a stream to the service. Im pretty sure this is because the RemoteService class returned by the bluetools doesnt have the correct GUID, which cause the connection to be refused by the remote device as it doesnt exist.
It is all looking very promising at the min
next steps:
get the bluetools talking to a service on my pc and see if I get the right GUID to determine if its the bluetools code which is failing to get the GUID or the wiimote not giving its GUID for the service.
Will post back with any news
Interesting
It seems that the library doesnt want to connect to a human input device, it wont connect to the wiimote or my bluetooth keyboard. It does seem to work to other services like Obex file transfer.
Hmmm, what?
Guess I found try and find some samples of people using this library and human input device or find a new library. Im not really up for trying to create my own at the min, as it would take a while
O dear
Its really not going well, either my knowledge isnt up to the job or it cant be done.
I have tried hard, but windows mobile is missing the all important hid.dll driver to get a listing of pair bluetooth hid devices so i can open a handle to the device. So I then looked into opening a connection myself and bypassing the hid driver, but from what I can work out it needs two l2cap connections open to the device, 1 on channel 11 for writing and another on channel 13 for reading data. But windows mobile doesnt have an api to access the l2cap layer of the bluetooth stack, the layer down (hci) can be extended but this would take along time to implement as I would then have to implement the l2cap layer myself.
Its turning into a losing battle, I really now doubting that I can do this.
The only idea left is how does the windows mobile use a bluetooth keybaord, does it use a generic driver which it extends or is it complete in its self. If it does uses a generic driver, i need to find some doc.
If anyone has any advice about how to implement l2cap connection or any thing about connecting to a hid device in windows mobile I would be very greatful.
Thanks guys,
But I think this is dead, like many other projects to try and get windows mobile work with a wiimote.
Things have taken a turn
Yeah,
A very helpful guy pointed me down a new line of throught,
I now beleive that I maybe able to do this
well, i need the win ce 6 platform builder
i owuld like to help but not got a clue about these things! keep up the good work
Well, any suggestions
Hmm, the wiimote uses bluetooth hid profile to communicate which talks over a l2cap connection. HID profile uses the universal serial bus (USB) architecture but send data over bluetooth
http://www.bluetooth.com/Bluetooth/Technology/Works/HID.htm
I have two options from what i can see
1. Well, I have found source for a sample keybaord device which I could rip off but cant get it to compile
2. Gain access to the L2CAP layer of the bluetooth stack by extending the stack with some of my own code. Then create my own connections to the wiimote and start sending and receiving reports to the device.
Any suggestions on the best approach?
both will take alot of time either way.
Hmm,
The L2CAP sample code requires some of the core dll for wm. These include coredll.dll and the btd.dll
during the build linking fails as I dont have the lib files, to get the lib files I need to build the os, as these files can change depending on the options specified during the build. I dont really want to do this, as it will limit the software to only one os version of wm, the one i build against.
Next question is can I do a library call and get the function points at runtime?
Well I think I may have to ask on a new thread. I hope so, as it would over come alot of problems, and it wouldnt limit the code to certain versions of the wm
Opened my mouth too quick
I using the wince 6 sdk,
But windows mobile 6 is based on wince 5. Hopefull I will have more luck with the wince 5 sdk
Well, that went a bit better.
Ive got pasted all compiling errors with the sample code I found. I have all the needed include and library files.
When trying to link the compiled code I get a single error now.
1>Compiling...
1>l2capdev.cpp
1>Compiling resources...
1>Microsoft (R) Windows (R) Resource Compiler Version 6.0.5724.0
1>Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
1>Linking...
1>uafxcw.lib(dllmodul.obj) : error LNK2005: DllMain already defined in l2capdev.obj
1> Creating library Windows Mobile 6 Professional SDK (ARMV4I)\Release/l2capdev.lib and object Windows Mobile 6 Professional SDK (ARMV4I)\Release/l2capdev.exp
1>Windows Mobile 6 Professional SDK (ARMV4I)\Release/l2capdev.dll : fatal error LNK1169: one or more multiply defined symbols found
1>Build log was saved at "file://d:\Documents and Settings\Chris\My Documents\Visual Studio 2008\Projects\Bak new l2capdev\l2capdev\Windows Mobile 6 Professional SDK (ARMV4I)\Release\BuildLog.htm"
1>l2capdev - 2 error(s), 0 warning(s)
========== Rebuild All: 0 succeeded, 1 failed, 0 skipped ==========
If anyone can help with this error it would be great.
Sorry guys, but Ive got alot of coursework on at the min.
So it might go a bit quite on here for a bit, but done worry.
Im still working on this when I get some spare time, but I dont have much at the min
Any progress on this mcnamee?
No luck
Well, I have given up on this for awhile.
I would like to start working on this project again when I have some more time.
But for now this is dead.
Chris McNamee
If you are interested in alternatives to the MSI or Chainpus BGP100 bluetooth gamepad, google search "modded by bacteria" go to the "work in progress" section of his forums, and search for the thread "Re-housed Bluetooth controller". The creator of the site, Bacteria, will be transplanting the innards of the BGP100 into an SNES controller. Previously, he has transplanted it into a PS1 controller. It seams feasible to DIY into almost any controller housing.
PS3 for EVO?
I'd love to use the bluetooth connectivity for my Evo and playing ROMs. any ideas?
Apologies if this has been mentioned...
Here we go:
I use a number of Microsoft Access Databases for my work, and each one is intensely coded and designed and basically run like actual programs. What I am looking for is to be able to take these databases with me. Now understanding that Microsoft and Android are two completely different beasts, what I really am looking for is the ability to take the tables (I use all Back-end database so all my tables are in a completely separate file then all my forms, queries, and reports) and the data with me and be able to run them in a program on Android that keeps the relationships and fields and all of that sort of stuff.
Now what would be great is the ability to use forms (even if special forms for android need to be made), run queries, and even be able to run reports and print as PDFs.
now I know how to code in VBA, hence the extensive coding I have done in Access, so anybody willing to WORK WITH in creating an Android Program to basically be an extension of Microsoft Access please contact me. Please not I use the words WORK WITH loosely, while I am trying to learn how to Program for Android, I currently do not have a computer that I can use to develop programs for android on, and well I would be only able to create the "Hello World" starter program and this project seems a slight bit more complicated. But what I can bring to the table is real world experience in testing and using the program day in and day out, a number of already existing Microsoft Access Databases ranging from Complex to Simple that I use every day. Really a program that can run Microsoft Access Tables on Android would be really useful to me and I am willing to do anything to help make this happen.
kronos82 said:
Here we go:
I use a number of Microsoft Access Databases for my work, and each one is intensely coded and designed and basically run like actual programs. What I am looking for is to be able to take these databases with me. Now understanding that Microsoft and Android are two completely different beasts, what I really am looking for is the ability to take the tables (I use all Back-end database so all my tables are in a completely separate file then all my forms, queries, and reports) and the data with me and be able to run them in a program on Android that keeps the relationships and fields and all of that sort of stuff.
Now what would be great is the ability to use forms (even if special forms for android need to be made), run queries, and even be able to run reports and print as PDFs.
now I know how to code in VBA, hence the extensive coding I have done in Access, so anybody willing to WORK WITH in creating an Android Program to basically be an extension of Microsoft Access please contact me. Please not I use the words WORK WITH loosely, while I am trying to learn how to Program for Android, I currently do not have a computer that I can use to develop programs for android on, and well I would be only able to create the "Hello World" starter program and this project seems a slight bit more complicated. But what I can bring to the table is real world experience in testing and using the program day in and day out, a number of already existing Microsoft Access Databases ranging from Complex to Simple that I use every day. Really a program that can run Microsoft Access Tables on Android would be really useful to me and I am willing to do anything to help make this happen.
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I think we must have the same job
Android utilizes an sqlite database engine and it looks like sqlite already offers a conversion utility HERE. The real question would be how to get the data in and out of the phone. Regarding forms, they definitely would need to be custom built.
Thanks this is deffenetly a start, From what I can tell this This Looks to be the most promising, It looks like all you would have to do is put a MS Access Database file on your SD CARD and have a program access it. That way you copy it back and forth. Unfortunately it doesn't support Access 2003, but I can save down. I also got a lot of learning to do in programing Java programs.
Forms would be as simply as making a program, this is great thanks much
kronos82 said:
Here we go:
I use a number of Microsoft Access Databases for my work, and each one is intensely coded and designed and basically run like actual programs. What I am looking for is to be able to take these databases with me....
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I would like to say, "yes, please!" to this idea. I currently use Smart List to Go (the descendant of ThinkDB) on my Palm TX. The TX is dying, and I've been shopping for a replacement. HanDBase exists for the iPhone, but I don't want an iPhone. So I've been focused on WinMo - not by choice as much as by necessity.
And android option would be very welcome around my computers.
benmyers2941 said:
I think we must have the same job
Android utilizes an sqlite database engine and it looks like sqlite already offers a conversion utility HERE. The real question would be how to get the data in and out of the phone. Regarding forms, they definitely would need to be custom built.
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androids sqlite its for applications to access and store data using java code.
try the pocket office app
Freedomcaller said:
androids sqlite its for applications to access and store data using java code.
try the pocket office app
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Exactly and we're talking about creating an app that would enable manipulation of an sqlite database. Essentially all that would be needed would be to create a ui framework wrapper for the existing api in android. Not the least monumental task I've heard of an individual taking on but not the most either.
The versions of pocket office that I've seen for android do not currently support Access databases as far as I'm aware. If I'm wrong could you post a link and save everyone some trouble?
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kronos82 said:
Thanks this is deffenetly a start, From what I can tell this looks to be the most promising, It looks like all you would have to do is put a MS Access Database file on your SD CARD and have a program access it. That way you copy it back and forth. Unfortunately it doesn't support Access 2003, but I can save down. I also got a lot of learning to do in programing Java programs.
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Jackcess library is now patched to support android (will be in 1.2.2 release). Also seems to support 2000, 2003 and 2007 formats now.
Works great for me.
View jackcess site. Couldn't find anything on support for android. I'm using htc desire and would really like to find program to view ms access file. Can you tell me how you do it?
As I remember reading worked as on PC, while writing had some problems.
This forum prevents me from linking directly, but if you click tracker/patches on Jackcess project, check Android Compatibility Fix - ID: 3101578
The changes are in trunk and will be in the 1.2.2 release. I've added some
notes which will eventually make it to the FAQ page on the website
detailing the compatibility steps:
- Set the system property "com.healthmarketscience.jackcess.broken
Nio=true"
- Set the system property "com.healthmarketscience.jackcess.resour
cePath=res/raw/"
- Copy the *.txt, *.mdb, and *.accdb files from the
"com/healthmarketscience/jackcess/" directory in the Jackcess jar to the
"/res/raw" Android application directory.
- Before executing any Jackcess code, set the current Thread's context
classloader, e.g.
"Thread.currentThread().setContextClassLoader(Database.class.getClassLoader())".
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Until this version (1.2.2) is released you need to build lib yourself.
You also need commons-lang and commons-logging from apache commons.
Before you use Jackcess in Android code, you set
Thread.currentThread().setContextClassLoader(
getClass().getClassLoader());
System.setProperty(
"com.healthmarketscience.jackcess.brokenNio",
"true");
System.setProperty(
"com.healthmarketscience.jackcess.resourcePath",
"res/raw/");
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and copy those resource files to res/raw
Then you can work as on PC, for example open /sdcard/yourprogram/file.mdb
Jackcess has no GUI, it's a library to read/write access files.
Getting an Access file into Android
I keep a lot of information on a Psion Revo, which has just turned its face to the wall and is giving up the ghost, and have always backed the information up on to my pc as an Access file. It looks easier to get this into a format acceptable to Android by converting the Access .mbx file into an Excel .xls file. This can be searched readily by Column and Values. Maybe this deals with too simple a need for most enquirers to the forum, but if it helps somebody then so much the better.
hi all i have beenlooking for something the same for some time now and just the other day i came accross this site cellica.com
the android app is free and the desktop application has a 5 day trial period or its $50 to buy it works great the only thing you can not do is create a report from the phone
i have emailed support team and they said they will be adding it on in the future.
Any Updates???
I currently build and use databases in MS Access and was wondering if there are any updates on this topic now that Tablets are in use now. Looking to get the Motorola Xoom (2nd version) in the future, but would love to be able to use a program that I would be able to access my MS Access databases while "on-the-go".
Anyone? This would be huge (I believe), since we now have tablets.
Thanks a bunch,
~Kilch~
Access to MS Access by Android
Hi,
I'm also looking to get on-the-go access to my Access databases on my Android HTC Tattoo.
The file is on it, I just need a tool to access it in read-only / search mode, but judging from the previous comments, there doesn't seem to be an oversupply in applications.
The "convert to Excel format" may be OK for me. I want to use a 3 language Access DB (dictionary) on my phone, so I'll try the Excel solution.
It would be nice if we had an ACCESS reader though...
John
Panacea Database
I know XDA frowns upon excessively hawking your own products here, but I do seem to be directly answering more than one of the reply questions, it just happens that the answer is an application my company released.
The Panacea Database application can handle Access from Access 2000 to Access 2007. It has also worked so far on every Access 2010 database we've tested, and we've received no complaints in that department yet. We release updates from time to time as we improve its functionality and features, often guided in our priorities by user e-mail and market comments. Our next update will be focused on improving screen layout for a variety of Android devices - from small QVGA smartphones, to large WXGA tablets. After that we may move onto other functionality.
In the interest of fairness, I'll point out arafa1209's post. He mentions Celicca Database, which is the only other application that I know of that deals with Access databases on Android. It has features Panacea does not have (yet) - ability to work with forms, ability to create and modify databases, ability to connect to your PC etc. Like us, they also send out updates improving their app regularly. So you can compare the apps, and use which one fits your needs better (or use both). If anyone knows of any others they can post here as well, but these are the only two I know of currently.
Just tried Panacea. Although it is more basic and annoyingly doesn't remember the last files you'be opened necessitating finding the file each time you open the app I prefer it for the simple reason you don't have to convert the Access database to another format.
amwebby said:
doesn't remember the last files you'be opened necessitating finding the file each time you open the app
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If you update the app, this should be fixed, the last version should have this feature.
Got the update last week. Certainly goes a long way to making it more user-friendly. Keep up the great work!
Since the last update it seems to be broken. Although it remembers the last database I cannot open a table within any database.
Edit: It appears the file was corrupted. Loaded a new file and all working again.
Any news in this topic.
I tried panacea Database, works fine. But not very effective. Searching data is a must for me however I didnt manage to find a search option. When I search for tables, it cant even locate the tables by names.
evening gents and lady
i have a query for chefs mainly but anyone with OS knowledge can help.
basically i work for a company that recycles computer equipment, we receive a lot of certain models mostly the dell optiplex gx range. and rebuilding them entails we have to install the OS from the oem discs and then preceed to either download drivers from dell, install from out in house servers or usb pen drives.
i had a thought that maybe the drivers could be installed as packages onto the disc a bit like windows mobile.
ideal situation
One master disc with the operating system on AND all the drivers for the range os systems we build. in this case xp w/ sp2 then after the normal os installation i want a program maybe to detect the model and install the drivers that are on the disc automatically. a bit like the app that installs opera and google maps on coked rom (UC?) also if that goes well i can then include all the apps that we install like ms security essentials. open office etc
is there anyway to do this
have you got a dell oem disc?
I have and it installed the driver auto
flyboy
we have a standard oem disc that does all of our models but thedriver needed differ from machine to machine for instance sometimes the ethernet adapter gets installed by default other times we have to install it after the main os insta;ll
There is a way to do it. Few questions:
1) What Windows O/S
2) Do you have an OEM product key
3) Are you familiar with slipstreaming
* EDIT *
Guess we posted at the same time. You need to slipstream the drivers into the O/S media. It's not usually best practice to included applications but can be done. Depending on the version of Windows, a final post config exists to trigger silent installs of extra applications. It's all part of a SYSPREP deployment process.
we use dell oem disc xp with sp 2, the keys do not have to be written in on the setup and no i dont have a clue what slipstreaming is
-PiLoT- said:
we use dell oem disc xp with sp 2, the keys do not have to be written in on the setup and no i dont have a clue what slipstreaming is
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In slipstreaming you can place your drivers into the OS so on install everything is done. "including stripping system components integrating service packs"
XP nlite
I just have a library of about 9000 drivers on a CD that always lives in me bag. "and stored as ISO image on computer" These compilations can be found online.
The choice you choose will depend on if you have a quantity the same then you can use nlite as you know the install the same or just bung all drivers onto a disk
The process you're after is a sub-process of imaging.
Here's an abridged version, very abridged, but should give you a sense of what's involved ... having done this a few (aka many many) times.
Media
Generally, the media to use for this type of activity is obtained directly through Microsoft as using another OEM's media is generally problematic as it has been altered for their requirements. Since you're using the DELL OEM CD on DELL OEM systems, you can "get away" using it.
One of the steps you may want to do is slipstream WinXP SP3 to the media. Here's a good site to get you on your way, there are many more out there:
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/xpsp3_slipstream.asp
Product Key
The product key embedded in the OEM CD ensures that it is only useable on DELL branded equipment. This permits end-users to rebuild their system and skip the product activation phase - the caveat being that OEM media is used on the OEM system; you can't interchange OEM media/systems as this will trigger activation.
Enterprises usually obtain a Volume License Key (VLK) which allows them to use imaging methodologies to deploy the O/S to workstations.
Note
Before others chime in ... yes, there are "work arounds" but since we're sticking to legitimate usage - we'll avoid that topic.
Pre-Delivery Process
There are two approaches to this process.
The first, traditionally used by OEM's (ex: DELL, HP, etc.) is to inject their drivers into the O/S media and modify some of the setup information files so as to ensure that the drivers are detected during the TEXT & GUI setup portions of Windows.
The second, traditionally used by Enterprises (ex: 20+ workstations) is to build a base image which is: install windows, install drivers, run SYSPREP, capture (seal) image. Knowledgeable IT builders will usually inject the drivers they require and adjust the setup information files prior to running SYSPREP and "sealing" the image.
Note
Large OEM's will also use the second process so that they may build many similar systems at once for shipment purposes. In a nutshell, the customer gets the media but the actual system HDD has been imaged.
Additionally, some OEM's will ship their systems with a hidden partition that is accessible by pressing a combination of keys at boot. The hidden partition contains a copy of the system image which can be restored to the visible partition.
Post-Delivery Process
The are two approaches to this process.
The first, traditionally used by OEM's (ex: DELL, HP, etc.) is to provide the O/S media along with the system. At the factory, an image is copied to the system HDD (see note above) and the system is shipped to the customer. When the customer unpacks and starts the system, the mini-SYSPREP is initiated and the system goes through a mini-GUI setup procedure.
The second, traditionally used by Enterprises (ex: 20+ workstations) is to take the pre-delivery process "sealed" image and upload it to a distribution system such as SMS, Altiris, OnCCM, Symantec GHOST, etc. The BIOS of the workstations are usually configured so that the Network Adapter (NIC) is set for Pre-eXecution (PXE) boot. A Wake-On-LAN is sent to the MAC address of the workstation (which has been recorded during asset receipt/delivery), the workstation turns on, sends a PXE-Boot request, the DHCP server responds to the request and forwards the request to the distribution server, the workstation receives a boot image from the distribution server, which in turn initiates imaging of the workstation HDD. Once completed, the workstation reboots and goes through an automated mini-GUI setup which performs all of the necessary detection and driver installation.
Some Final Points
You can inject drivers to the physical media (ex: Windows XP) and perform individual installs of Windows on a system-by-system basis. This is often referred to as slipstreaming drivers or injecting drivers. This is often required for AHCI controllers on new systems.
Imaging can be "tricky" if you have to deal with multiple variations of hardware abstraction layers (HAL) such as in the case with single/multi processor architecture.
Ensure that customers receive a copy of the media with their systems so as to remain compliant and not violate license agreement terms.
Avoid using NLITE unless your company is planning on providing continuous ongoing support with each system sold. NLITE is an extremely fast method of preparing systems for mass image distribution. Unfortunately, it is not officially endorsed/supported by Microsoft and/or OEM's. Enterprises or individuals can usually "get away" with using NLITE as they typically self-support their systems.
Recommendation
In your situation, it may be easiest to read up on the following methodologies:
Slipstream service pack to cd-rom (media)
Slipstream (inject) drivers to cd-rom (media)
HTH,
wow thx H
very concise. i think even though were technically classed as an enterprise. i think id still prefer to use the oem solution. looks like im going to have to have a disc per model instead of one master disc but cant win em all.
using nlite wont do as we only provide 3 months official warranty on the product
so i think my best bet is to copy the contents of the cd to a computer. then insert my drivers onto it the make a iso out of it then make a bootable cd. the customer wont get a copy of the edited cd. think they might have something to say having the recovery disc on a tdk cd/r
using the oem disc you have got. research on the internet and find out where the drivers are kept on the disc, then copy the disc to your pc and insert the drivers then burn to disc. this way the drivers would be on the disc.
read this as well. i think its a noob sort of guide to slipstreaming:
(cached google page)
http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cachedCEft9ToWQJ:tech.yahoo.com/blog/null/99108+where+are+drivers+on+xp+disc&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk
flyboy
( sorry just reaslised i have posted what you said, pilot)
Ok so this is the scenario i have 2 computer at 2 different locations (Home and Office). On my main computer there is software which i would like to use on my another computer simultaneously. Like i am using the software on my home computer(Main PC) and brother wants to use the same software at our office, so i have created 2 users on my main PC and i would like my brother to use 2nd user to login remotely and use that software. Let me tell software has capability to be used at 2 place simultaneously.
Waiting for your help
Thankyou
Omg is that so much difficult, ,, no reply yet.
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umm, yeah its possible. all you need is a citrix server ( or similar ), i think there area few bits of software that do work on desktop machines. but i can't remember any of the top of my head. i know i have iraap for my mac, i will take a quick look for you now. But a quick warning if you wanting to do this over the internet. its going to be much harder working out port forwarding ETC over doing it in a lan enviroment. so you possible could use hamachi. ok i'll get back to you in a bit.
and yes this is quite an advanced thing todo. what your technically trying to do is create a server in which multiple members can connect to and do things simultaneously. so your not going to want to do this very much as it will cause a reasonable amount of strain on your system and certainly slow it down. if you are going to do this alot i would recommend investing on a cheap server
ok check this out, fire me off a pm if you need any help. i'm happy to help
Unless your computer is setup as a server (or hacked to allow so) you're only allowed one desktop connection at a time?
Please someone correct me if I am wrong?
Edit: NM, people replied whilst I had the page open without refreshing....
captainstu72 said:
Unless your computer is setup as a server (or hacked to allow so) you're only allowed one desktop connection at a time?
Please someone correct me if I am wrong?
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just thought you might be intrested. i believe normally a windows machine will allow remote desktop connections, which means you can control the computer from another machine, very much similar as vnc. but a terminal server (citrix) allows multiple users to connect and run completely seperate sessions, but there are program that run the services needed to run terminal server witout a full blown server operating system.
just thought i would clear this up for you
I udnerstand that part, but as his PC is likely to be a standalone windows enviroment, and with him working on it, his brother will not be able to log in from the second location, as standard, due to that policy. I know there is a dll that can be hacked to allow it though. I have an understanding the RDP side, but he is using a windows machine not a terminal server/virtualised server etc, so from my perspective, his question was is it possible as is, not how do I make this possible by throwing money at it.
captainstu72 said:
I udnerstand that part, but as his PC is likely to be a standalone windows enviroment, and with him working on it, his brother will not be able to log in from the second location, as standard, due to that policy. I know there is a dll that can be hacked to allow it though. I have an understanding the RDP side, but he is using a windows machine not a terminal server/virtualised server etc, so from my perspective, his question was is it possible as is, not how do I make this possible by throwing money at it.
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no these are completely free peices of software that require no dll hacking, they create there own server services that replicate terminal services.
Thanks for the help slamming, but i must tell you i am a noob concerning this.
I have checked out the link. Can you be more specific without all the jargons how should i go about achieving it,i would be really grateful.
samy.3660 said:
Thanks for the help slamming, but i must tell you i am a noob concerning this.
I have checked out the link. Can you be more specific without all the jargons how should i go about achieving it,i would be really grateful.
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ok well, what your are wanting to create is a terminal server, this is used alot in enterprise and it allows multiple user to connect to the same machine and use all the same applications and share data. But in enterprise they will use a machine called a thin client, this machine will boot straight from the network and connect to the terminal server. but you aren't going to want to buy a thin client so you are going to have to download another application on the second computer. but we will come to that later. what i think would be a good idea is if you were to read up on terminal services, terminal servers and maybe even thin cleints, as i think you do need to be able to understand the majority of the jargon that is going to be used. i would recommend you don't under take this task if you don't have quite abit of time or aren't confident in your IT skills
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ok well, what your are wanting to create is a terminal server, this is used alot in enterprise and it allows multiple user to connect to the same machine and use all the same applications and share data. But in enterprise they will use a machine called a thin client, this machine will boot straight from the network and connect to the terminal server. but you aren't going to want to buy a thin client so you are going to have to download another application on the second computer. but we will come to that later. what i think would be a good idea is if you were to read up on terminal services, terminal servers and maybe even thin cleints, as i think you do need to be able to understand the majority of the jargon that is going to be used. i would recommend you don't under take this task if you don't have quite abit of time or aren't confident in your IT skills
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Ok i will learn it by tommorow all i could about terminal services, and do you think if there is a software available which will be able to this, preferably free, or if not i wont mind paying for it.
Thankyou.
samy.3660 said:
Ok i will learn it by tommorow all i could about terminal services, and do you think if there is a software available which will be able to this, preferably free, or if not i wont mind paying for it.
Thankyou.
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alright then while your learning about terminal server, i will begin looking into software for you for both ends both server and cleint.
Hi all, just a quick question regarding the functionality of Wp8 that I am fighting with, that I need to resolve or another WP phone is going back to the supplier [I did the same with WP7].
First off, apologies if there's an answer that I haven't managed to find.
I currently have an HTC HD2 running very nicely on WM6.5, however, it's been creaking a bit recently & I'd decided with a favourable review of WP8 that I read the other day suggesting that finally the device can be plugged into a PC & seen as a USB drive, that the time was right to move forwards.
Now that I have the Nokia Lumia 820 & WP8 however, I still don't think I can get it to do what I need it to do.
ALL I would like to do, is be able to copy text files from PC to WP8, & then display them on the phone with text wrap switched off.
Easy hey? Well if so, I haven't worked out how to do it yet!
I plug the phone into my PC, & an Explorer window fires up on the PC [XP] showing 'SD card' & 'Phone'. Drilling down one level on the latter gives Documents, Music, Pictures, Videos etc.
The only way I can get to see the Documents folder on my Phone appears to be via Office Mobile, under 'places' > phone. It appears to be very fussy about what it allows to be displayed there - I can see .PDF, .DOC, .XLS & .TXT files [but not .LOG. .ONE, .ZIP etc (which remain 'hidden')].
When I tap a .TXT file, I have no choice of how to open it, Office Mobile pounces & that's that. Having got this far, all I would now like to do is switch off text wrap [so that it'll view in a usable manner] because there doesn't appear to be such an option.
I have scoured the Store, & the best I've found is 'Text Reader', though this requires that I load it via email [upload a file to Hotmail or wherever with a .LOG (or similar) suffix & away you go, which it then downloads & stores in its own sandbox]. Ok, but faffy.
I believe that other progs might enable transfer via the cloud [Skydrive or whatever], but because of the nature of the data [& the fact that I don't want my data in anyone else's hands], this is out too.
I've spotted a couple of other quirks.
Office Mobile also does not allow you to display the folder hierarchy that may exist in Phone>Documents, just giving a flat filesystem, which makes finding a file in thousands, say, horrible. All I'd like to do is exactly duplicate the hierarchy that exists on the PC [& then I am always looking for things in the same place on either device].
I have also noticed that Office Mobile Word sometime hangs part way through a file. e.g. on loading a 1mb file, & searching for a text sequence I know to be on the last line, it hangs on a line part way through the file [say a 1/3 of the way in]. Not great, & I have the odd file that's c.10mb so I dread to think with that.
Words fail me, & once again I am hugely disappointed with MS. Please, please get the odd decision right & maybe WP will be at the top of the pile again as it was with [the sometimes awful, but very functional] WM.
I am hoping that someone will explain an easy way to do this, & that I can finally move forwards from WM6.5. Android concerns me re privacy & I don't like iPhones, so not much choice really! Stuck waiting for MS to provide basic functionality or [worse] a potential need for a future jailbreak to make the thing work properly!
Here's hoping. Many thanks for reading.
First of all, nobody who knew what the hell they were talking about said that WP8 displays as a USB drive (properly called USB Mass Storage). It's an MTP device, like most media players (or indeed WP7, though that had an extra layer of encryption around it). MTP doesn't display the actual filesystem; although the hierarchical display that it presents *may* mirror a real filesystem, it's under no obligation to do so.
The dearth of supported file types in WP7 was a real pain, but it could be fixed by tweaking the registry. In WP8 it's still a pain, but now third-party apps can (officially) register to handle file types. However, as you point out, there's no real way to browse the phone, and the Office hub only shows the filetypes it recognizes. We *might* be able to fix that, if we could get registry write permission, but that's not possible right now. With that said, I don't know if it would be possible for another app to register the (for example) .txt extension; the phone does offer the ability to choose what app opens a given file type.
For what it's worth, Bluetooth file transfer to the phone works fine, and the files will open in whatever app is registered to the file's extension. You can then save them into the app's storage (Documents, for Office apps). This may be a better way to transfer your data.
In WP8 you can build Apps that associate themselves with certain filetypes (identified by the ending). If your App is associated with a certain file type the App can also open files of that type from anywhere on the SD Card.
So for example if you put a *.log file onto the SD Card any App that is associated with the ".log" ending can read it (the Explorer functionality for the SD Card would have to be implemented by the App itself but it is supported). This does not work with the integrated storage though. With integrated storage you would still have to receive it via E-Mail, SkyDrive, etc.
Now for the caveats:
- Apps can't be dynamically associated with File Types. If you want to open "*.log" files the App developer has to associate his App with the filetype in it's manifest. If several Apps exist for a given filetype the user will be asked which one to use.
- There is a quite extensive list of file types that are reserved for the OS or built in Apps. Any file type that is reserved in that way can't be associated with third Party Apps. This contains Office documents (except PDF, TXT files and lots of media file types). The complete list can be seen here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windowsphone/develop/jj207065(v=vs.105).aspx
- Apps can only read from the SD Card but they can't Change data there.
Now as for your Problem: someone could build an App that supports e.g. Log-Files and you could use your Lumia 820 with an SD Card to pretty much work the way you intend to with those files. It's not really trivial though, given that 10 MB big plain Text-Files regularly lead to Trouble even on PC text Editors (the developer has to be smart on how to handle These "huge" files, so just some midnight hack job won't do).
What are your further requirements? Search pretty obviously. But what are all the filetypes you would need? Would you need editing capability?
Just trying to understand the compelete picture of your requirements. Perhaps you can tell us what kinds of files you use and for what purposes.
Thanks for taking the time to reply.
@GoodDayToDie
Re 'seen as a USB drive' - That's me being careless with words, what I meant to say was the ability to local sync over a USB cable, & then access the copied files on the device. I didn't think that you could do this with WP7 [without frigs], & had high[er] hopes for WP8.
I might have a look at Bluetooth FT as a method for getting the [bulk] data over locally, as I won't be doing it via the cloud [email or Skydrive]. Thanks for the advice.
@StevieBallz
Thanks for the MSDN reference - Very interesting.
Ok, so the apps can potentially access the data on the SD card but not write to it - As an aside, I thought I read something the other day that said data on the SD card was limited to Pictures, Videos, Music etc, as a security measure. That's interesting too then, though anything I want to be 'secure' I'd keep in the internal storage anyway.
Re the comment re 'Trouble even on PC text Editors'. Yes, I tried way back on WM2003 to get a file displayer going, but immediately hit problems with [I think] a 32KB limit on the textbox display. I've just made do with WM6.5's Word displayer since, which offers basic functionality.I keep meaning to go back to the coding, but haven't managed it yet [I think Visual Basic was missing for a while with WP, if indeed it's there yet (I thought I'd read it was with VS2012?)].
Re my 'requirements'. Just to be able to search [large-ish] text files & have the o/p displayed in a manner that's readable [no word-wrapping]. I realise editing is a whole new ball game, so read-only would be good enough. Longer term, I'd like the ability to have many text files open at once - On the desktop I use "Programmer's File Editor", & something like that [if only as a viewer] I'd find invaluable on the smartphone/PDA. I also have many thousands of files on my desktop [PDF, DOC, RTF, HTM, TXT etc] & ideally I'd like access to those on the go as & when needed, via a hierarchical file system on the mobile device, with the structure exactly mirroring the PC's file system, so that I'd search for & find data in the same places regardless of which device I was using [Why thousands? Might be 100s+ actually, & these could be electricity bills, sales receipts, insurance documents - anything - the stuff of life really].
I'll continue with my testing of Office Mobile Word's displaying & searching of text files. I've found it patchy & not consistent so far, but am going to have to move from WM6.5 eventually [more's the pity], & don't really want the hassle of sending the device back again.
Many thanks for your advice so far.
Device returned, many thanks for your help. Maybe WP9 then?
5v17 said:
Device returned, many thanks for your help. Maybe WP9 then?
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Judging by the ideas picked up for review on dev user voice, situation may drastically improve with the next SDK update.