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Who will trust this brand again? Not me!
That's all they want ... releases and forget about old releases and your customers ... no updates or bug fixes
Black Shark 3 or RoG Phone 3 They are more beautiful and have updates with corrections!
Don't trust this brand!!!
ZivasJR said:
Who will trust this brand again? Not me!
That's all they want ... releases and forget about old releases and your customers ... no updates or bug fixes
Black Shark 3 or RoG Phone 3 They are more beautiful and have updates with corrections!
Don't trust this brand!!!
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Black shark 3 is nice.
And there's a few other gaming phones coming this year.
nubia the worst phones, never again
Same here will never touch this brand again, still remember the day I went to the website to see if there were any upcoming update news only to be greeted by the RM3S I knew then I'd get no more updates.
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I mean you can't be mad about not getting updates. It's a sub $500 phone. You get what you pay for. If you want updates you get a pixel and Nubia's track record on support and update is has been established as pretty much non existent.
I'm sure they would do some actual updates is they started selling these at that $600 price point. But then people would cry about how it's so expensive. Software development cost money. Nothing is free. Sucks they have the industrys worse software support but it's a sub $500 phone. You get what you pay for.
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I mean you can't be mad about not getting updates. It's a sub $500 phone. You get what you pay for. If you want updates you get a pixel and Nubia's track record on support and update is has been established as pretty much non existent.
I'm sure they would do some actual updates is they started selling these at that $600 price point. But then people would cry about how it's so expensive. Software development cost money. Nothing is free. Sucks they have the industrys worse software support but it's a sub $500 phone. You get what you pay for.
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I more bothered the device isn't fit for purpose in some areas having to tweak a phone just to be able to have the names show up when getting a phone call amongst the main things I've had £250 phones that get the basics right.
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My new Phone is Black Shark 3 Pro or ROG Phone 3
ZivasJR said:
Who will trust this brand again? Not me!
That's all they want ... releases and forget about old releases and your customers ... no updates or bug fixes
Black Shark 3 or RoG Phone 3 They are more beautiful and have updates with corrections!
Don't trust this brand!!!
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Honestly, Nubia could have done better... After so much analysis, I went with RM3S knowing that there will be no updates...
No regrets with RM3S... It does what it is meant to be brought... If updates or features are provided, would be happy...
In built fan works like a charm which no other phone has it... I play CODM on high screen resolution and very high frame rate for couple of hours straight and had no issues... Dont know if other phones can do that... Personally I like ROG3...
If you want a daily driver, definitely RM3S is not the right phone... I agree for that... But for gaming, RM3S performs upto the mark..
Aru
B01070 said:
Honestly, Nubia could have done better... After so much analysis, I went with RM3S knowing that there will be no updates...
No regrets with RM3S... It does what it is meant to be brought... If updates or features are provided, would be happy...
In built fan works like a charm which no other phone has it... I play CODM on high screen resolution and very high frame rate for couple of hours straight and had no issues... Dont know if other phones can do that... Personally I like ROG3...
If you want a daily driver, definitely RM3S is not the right phone... I agree for that... But for gaming, RM3S performs upto the mark..
Aru
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Works like a charm? You might wanna do some actual testing. And use something that measures the actual soc's temps not some random temp. The RM3S shows 40c but the actual soc is at over 71c. Still running cool in terms of phones but it's very far off and the fan only does a 1c drop at full load. Honestly more then I thought it would since fans require heatsinks to remove heat.
bignazpwns said:
I mean you can't be mad about not getting updates. It's a sub $500 phone.Software development cost money. Nothing is free. Sucks they have the industrys worse software support but it's a sub $500 phone. You get what you pay for.
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But what about Xiaomi,Realme and ViVo then ?
Nubia has opted for a bad business model,they should better focus on creating a loyal userbase,instead of releasing one device after another without aftermarket support.
OnePlus would've never been such a big player in the smartphone league if they acted the same as Nubia......
I agree!
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But what about Xiaomi,Realme and ViVo then ?
Nubia has opted for a bad business model,they should better focus on creating a loyal userbase,instead of releasing one device after another without aftermarket support.
OnePlus would've never been such a big player in the smartphone league if they acted the same as Nubia......
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Good words!
You get more value with them. I never said Nubia was a good value. Just you have to go in knowing you won't get updates. Just like when I buy a Samsung phone I know I'll be atleast 9 months behind before I get an Android upgrade. Samsung has gotten better but I still go in knowing updates and slow down again. If I want fast updates I go with a Pixel. But Samsung beat Google on a security patch but still. I buy a Nubia phone I'm buying it as is. If it gets an update great. If not it's a sub $500 phone you get what tyou pay for. $500 is not a lot.
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Works like a charm? You might wanna do some actual testing. And use something that measures the actual soc's temps not some random temp. The RM3S shows 40c but the actual soc is at over 71c. Still running cool in terms of phones but it's very far off and the fan only does a 1c drop at full load. Honestly more then I thought it would since fans require heatsinks to remove heat.
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Bro... not sure what is the issue with your device... I play straight couple of hours of CODM with High Graphics and Very High Frame Rate and I still get the same performance as I got at the first minute... to me, it works like a charm... It does serve my purpose of a gaming phone... I am not a fan-boy btw, I still regret my decision against ROG 2 (it was available only via flash sales in my region)... Still I need to give the due share it owes..
Cheers!
Aru
If it gets an update great. If not it's a sub $500 phone you get what you pay for. $500 is not a lot.
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Good for you that you're amongst those people who can say that $500 is not a lot of money....
But my point is that some other brands can offer the same hardware specs with much better software support @ the same price point.
So it's not a case of getting what we paid for,but we paid for the wrong brand...
Sure,software developement costs money,but how hard can it be to extend software support for an almost vanilla Android version ?Or keeping security patches up to date ?
And if you don't wanna go that route as manufacturer,let the community do it by making it much easier to install custom ROM's,instead of blocking that option.
It will only benefit your company,as your brand will get more popular....
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Good for you that you're amongst those people who can say that $500 is not a lot of money....
But my point is that some other brands can offer the same hardware specs with much better software support @ the same price point.
So it's not a case of getting what we paid for,but we paid for the wrong brand...
Sure,software developement costs money,but how hard can it be to extend software support for an almost vanilla Android version ?Or keeping security patches up to date ?
And if you don't wanna go that route as manufacturer,let the community do it by making it much easier to install custom ROM's,instead of blocking that option.
It will only benefit your company,as your brand will get more popular....
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$500-$600 is the price every survey shows people will pay for a phone. It's not a lot.
You have trade offs you can't get it all unless you pay for it. You want better hardware you sacrifice quality and support. Want better quality and support you sacrifice hardware specs. Want both you have to pay to play. The most popular devices are well over $1,000 and these devices in the US outsell the sub $500 devices by a large number.
You want better hardware you sacrifice quality and support. Want better quality and support you sacrifice hardware specs. Want both you have to pay to play.
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OK,it seems that you refuse to accept that some types of the 3 brands I posted earlier provide better software support than Nubia,while having about the same hardware specs.......I'm NOT comparing +$1000 devices against Nubia's stuff,so I have no idea why you keep insisting on those kind of statements.
Or perhaps my previous posts were not clear enough.......
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OK,it seems that you refuse to accept that some types of the 3 brands I posted earlier provide better software support than Nubia,while having about the same hardware specs.......I'm NOT comparing +$1000 devices against Nubia's stuff,so I have no idea why you keep insisting on those kind of statements.
Or perhaps my previous posts were not clear enough.......
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loud and clear to me and I fully agree, we never thought we were getting a 1000 phone for 500 we brought it thinking it would be on par with 500 phones that weren't released yet and now for me at least once again have learnt I should of waited although I do have plenty of content planned for my blog and what not I mean they haven't even delt with issues that a basic phone gets right
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I'm really tempted to get the red magic 5g.. the specs on paper are perfect and everything I want in a phone. It looks nice too. However reading this thread is making me wonder if I should just get a black shark 3 or realme x50 pro instead.. is Nubia/red magic that bad?
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I'm really tempted to get the red magic 5g.. the specs on paper are perfect and everything I want in a phone. It looks nice too. However reading this thread is making me wonder if I should just get a black shark 3 or realme x50 pro instead.. is Nubia/red magic that bad?
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that's where they got my looks good on paper everything I want in a phone but reality isn't as good for these phones I held off and brought the camo version with the larger storage amongst a few other things and they seem to release phones instead of updates for there current line up software/rom updates I sort of figured would be lacking but security patches have been neglected since the release of the RM3S so I'd steer clear and go with literally anything else your considering choose red magic and you'll be disappointed
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that's where they got my looks good on paper everything I want in a phone but reality isn't as good for these phones I held off and brought the camo version with the larger storage amongst a few other things and they seem to release phones instead of updates for there current line up software/rom updates I sort of figured would be lacking but security patches have been neglected since the release of the RM3S so I'd steer clear and go with literally anything else your considering choose red magic and you'll be disappointed
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Is it really that bad?
I considered the black shark 3, but it's pretty much inferior in almost every way, at least on paper. Only 90hz, it's thicker, the battery is bigger but it's dual cell, single cell is better, looks ugly in comparison, only 30w charging and lpddr4x or whatever it's called for base model unless you pay a premium etc.
The other phone I was considering is the realme x50 pro.. almost perfect for me, EXCEPT the dual camera punch hole in the screen.. way too big. If it was just a small single punch hole it would have been perfect. Or if it had a pop up selfie camera instead. Not 120hz but I could live with 90hz if everything else was good. It's a good looking phone and has a flat screen at least. Good screen to body ratio, but battery is a bit smaller (should be fine since it has a smaller screen too).
The black shark 3 pro got delayed till the 27th. I can live with that I guess but it's still kinda ugly looking imo. A little expensive too but I can also live with that. Nice physical triggers. Only 90hz but it's 1440p and comes with a memc chip and 270hz touch sampling so I can live with that. I'm worried about how big this phone is though.
The red magic 5g checks all my boxes unless it has poor software and reliability like everyone has said about their previous phones. 144hz, and way better looking than the black shark phones. A little slimmer than the black shark 3. The IC frame compensation thing looked cool.
I am trying to compare the specs of the "Pixel 5" and the recently released "Samsung S20 FE" and would actually want to know, why Pixel 5 and not the S20 FE?For the reference, GSMArena comparison here.
Currently i see the following pros and cons comparing those devices:
S20 FE pros:
SD card slot
Bigger battery
Better SoC
Better GPU
120hz scree refresh rate
Front fingerprint sensor (debatable, but definitely my personal preference)
More cameras and (hopefully) better camera sensors (but not better camera software)
Available (unlike Pixel 5, that is still on pre-orders)
Pixel 5 pros:
More RAM
Better camera software
Less bloatware
Direct updates from Google
Usable eSIM (none of the S20 series have their eSIM enabled on US models)
Unlocakble bootloader (just an assumption, but the QC based S20 FE is unlikely to have it's btl unlockable)
Missing SD slot (which a find to be a pretty big deal) and a somewhat weaker SoC/GPU/battery make me lean toward the S20 FE, yet there seem to be a pretty big fan base on the Pixels those days, and i want to know why. So, what Pixel 5 pros did i miss?
Thanks in advance for replies.
You might not care what I think but I'm gonna reply anyway. Im using a Note 9 now.
The reason the P5 beats any Samsung phone, again this is IMO, is because it runs STOCK ANDROID OS. One UI is trash, TouchWiz was trash. Samsung can make a great, beautiful, crazy spec'd phone every time but it still runs a trash OS. And plz dont try to tell me its not that bad. It is and my wife has a Note 20 5G and its trash on there too even with the newer updates. This one thing is the reason I will never buy a Sam phone again.
And do I have to get into the bloat ware. Oh MY God! I have like 25-30 apps. When my phone updates, its says its optimizing 450+ apps. WTF. And forget about removing them cuz u can't UL BL to debloat. EVER.
Also don't let Sammy fool u with this quick monthly security updates. When it comes to new Android versions they still lag behind, especially if your device is a year or more old.
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You might not care what I think but I'm gonna reply anyway. Im using a Note 9 now.
The reason the P5 beats any Samsung phone, again this is IMO, is because it runs STOCK ANDROID OS. One UI is trash, TouchWiz was trash. Samsung can make a great, beautiful, crazy spec'd phone every time but it still runs a trash OS. And plz dont try to tell me its not that bad. It is and my wife has a Note 20 5G and its trash on there too even with the newer updates.
And do I have to get into the bloat ware. Oh MY God! I have like 25-30 apps. When my phone updates, its says its optimizing 450+ apps. WTF. And forget about removing them cuz u can't UL BL to debloat. EVER.
Also don't let Sammy fool u with this quick monthly security updates. When it comes to new Android versions they still lag behind, especially if your device is a year or more old.
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I actually do agree on that, yes, the crap on Samsung stock ROM is pretty bad, but is it THAT bad? On a carrier branded CSC - yes, absolutely. Just a """"clean"""" (yea, i know, i know) stock Samsung - bad, but not THAT bad. And thats the main factor that makes me lean toward Pixel indeed.
Latest and greatest Android? Well, i can live without that. Heck, i am typing it from an Android 8 device right now, lol.
But... lower specs, and ESPECIALLY, the SD card slot do bother me. I've got Nexus7 FHD tablet, bought it more or less a few month after its release, still using it sometimes, and one damn feature i've missed every single time i've boarded a long flight is having an SD card slot! I don't know why the heck Google hates SD cards so much, but thats definitely bothers me.
In any case, i did mention "less bloatware" in my pros list, guess i should have called it "clean android". Do i turst it to remain totally clean? NO! Don't get me started on Google, their platforms, and ****loads of ads, some blockable, some may soon be less so. Just a few things to list on that topic, though - YouTube midroll ads (that drove me to finally start using alt client) and Android TV leanback launcher update with a huge ad on the top 1/3 of the screen (which has forced me to disable apps updates, cause on a TV Play market its all updates or no apps update).
I'm sorry. I do not agree. OneUI is far worse than u think. Im using it now. Go try for yourself. And I dont mean go to the store and look at it. Actually use a phone with it on it and u will want to throw it against a wall.
I have a 400gb mem card in my phone now. There is nothing an it. I used to need it for music but now everything is streaming. Photos and vids get backed up to cloud. I dont think I need a mem card anymore and I was a firm believer in them.
Please dont ever compare Google with Sam in terms of bloatware. It makes you look like u have no idea what u are talking about. Its not even a competition. I mean Sammy tried to put ads to our lockscreens at one point. If u think the Pixel has bloatware, go look at an app list on a new Sam phone. The Note 20 is an absolute joke.
I'm in the same debate as you... Pretty sure p5 wins due to unlocked bootloader. My p2 stands up still to processing power, I suspect I'll get 3 years out of the p5 since I've always found more ram is more important than more processing power and the 765g does hold up next to the p4 865.
Why do we run Pixels? Stock android, superior experience, no/limited bloat, reliable updates, and superior camera performance. But, you likely knew that already, and you came here to discuss specs. It's not the specs; it's the real world performance. You ever run a Windoze comp with a fresh install? See how snappy and smooth the performance is? Well, that's what a Pixel is like all the time. You're basically asking the PC equivalent of asking a tech forum "should I buy an Acer (or Dell or whatever) or build my own?" The answer will likely be build your own or reinstall Windoze and upgrade what you have. Look man, I was a Samsung lover for many years. But their bloat is intrusive and very poorly implemented, and I got sick of it. To complete the analogy: if you want a Dell (even if it is an Alienware) running the latest Intel, go ahead. I'll build my own AMD machine that rocks its socks off.
Come down to long term experience for me.
Pixel phones have been great to use and continue to feel great after a couple of years. Samsung phones haven't faired so well. Lots of slow down, lots of duplicate apps, lots of clutter.
It's personal preference of course, some love Samsung apps over Google apps. For these people, pixel comes full of bloatware!
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I'm in the same debate as you... Pretty sure p5 wins due to unlocked bootloader. My p2 stands up still to processing power, I suspect I'll get 3 years out of the p5 since I've always found more ram is more important than more processing power and the 765g does hold up next to the p4 865.
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Unlocked bootloader is sadly, becoming less and less useful as the time goes. TBH, i am sick and tired to try & look for yet another way to hide root from apps, while i find myself actually customizing the system less and less using that root. Add Widevine dropping to L3 and all the streaming apps that use it going below HD, and you get yourself one more reason not to unlock.
Is slightly more RAM more important than slightly more CPU/GPU? Yea, i think it is. Is it massive, either way? Nope, probably not.
Again, one big thing that turns me away from P5 is the SD slot. From the other side, 2 pretty big things that pull me toward it are cleaner Android and eSIM.
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...It's not the specs; it's the real world performance...
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The specs are the very first thing that affects real world performance. Yes, you can bog it down to a crawl with junk, but is it so? If you look at the Samsung side of XDA, i don't see that many complains about it, so realistically, in the real word words, i honestly don't know.
I've used an OG Pixel XL, and Pixel 3 XL as well as a OP 6T.
T-mobile had a "too good to pass up" trade in deal for the S20 FG and I received it on Friday. It is an awesome phone. The telephoto lens is neat, but the wide angle is awesome. Samsung's awful OS and lack of BL unlocking are really the only faults of it lol. Pixels got me over the need for an sd slot, although the lack of free unlimited storage since the Pixel 3 has me concerned. With that said, I'll be buying a Pixel 5 assuming there's some kind of a deal on black friday.
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The specs are the very first thing that affects real world performance. Yes, you can bog it down to a crawl with junk, but is it so? If you look at the Samsung side of XDA, i don't see that many complains about it, so realistically, in the real word words, i honestly don't know.
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Fair enough, if specs are your measuring stick, sounds like you want the Samsung with the 8-series ARM. Go for it. I wouldn't shame you at all.
If you want to really understand what I am saying, try running a 3 or 4 year old Samsung (an S7 or S8) on Sam's version of Android 11 (if that's even possible) and then run Google's Android 11 on a Pixel or Pixel 2. I haven't tried it, but I know my old Samsungs ran like crap after just one or two updates, including severely reduced battery life. I am guessing that the Sams will run horribly for one reason or another. I know that Pixels run great on 11.
I run a Pixel (2 XL) stock, don't have to root it, don't have to monkey with flashing unless I want to try, don't have to constantly be looking for updated modems/ROMs/recoveries/kernels . Sure, most phones can be rescued with a good custom ROM, but you run the risk of bricking and voiding warranty. I used to love that hobby, and I loved my experience flashing with other phone hobbyists. But, I don't want to monkey with my daily driver anymore. I only flash my old phones.
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I've used an OG Pixel XL, and Pixel 3 XL as well as a OP 6T.
T-mobile had a "too good to pass up" trade in deal for the S20 FG and I received it on Friday. It is an awesome phone. The telephoto lens is neat, but the wide angle is awesome. Samsung's awful OS and lack of BL unlocking are really the only faults of it lol. Pixels got me over the need for an sd slot, although the lack of free unlimited storage since the Pixel 3 has me concerned. With that said, I'll be buying a Pixel 5 assuming there's some kind of a deal on black friday.
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Those are definitely not the only faults of it .Less RAM isn't exactly a good thing. If you look at the he S20 FE forum here, you'll immediately notice a "touch issues" thread, which is worrying. The eSIM being disabled on US CSCs, while Pixels, iPhones and even their own Fold got it is one heck of a turn off, too.
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Those are definitely not the only faults of it .Less RAM isn't exactly a good thing. If you look at the he S20 FE forum here, you'll immediately notice a "touch issues" thread, which is worrying. The eSIM being disabled on US CSCs, while Pixels, iPhones and even their own Fold got it is one heck of a turn off, too.
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What are you doing that you actually need eSim?
Considering T-mobile and Samsung are essentially giving me the S20 FE, plus $60, plus $70 Samsung store credit for my Pixel 3XL, I'll take it and let my kids use it as a hotspot. T-mobile also gave me another completely free line a couple weeks ago in an unrelated deal.
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What are you doing that you actually need eSim?
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I don't "need" eSIM, but its a useful feature assuming the dreaded COVID19 is eventually going to end, so one could travel again. It allows you to get and install a local plan in a different country without having to physically get the SIM card, a feature i'd actually like to have on my next phone. Not a must. But definitely a bonus. And most definitely a turn-off to get a device with the actual hardware being there, but having it disabled because Sammy and the carriers told so.
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Unlocked bootloader is sadly, becoming less and less useful as the time goes. TBH, i am sick and tired to try & look for yet another way to hide root from apps, while i find myself actually customizing the system less and less using that root. Add Widevine dropping to L3 and all the streaming apps that use it going below HD, and you get yourself one more reason not to unlock.
Is slightly more RAM more important than slightly more CPU/GPU? Yea, i think it is. Is it massive, either way? Nope, probably not.
Again, one big thing that turns me away from P5 is the SD slot. From the other side, 2 pretty big things that pull me toward it are cleaner Android and eSIM.
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I agree on root becoming less and less important.
However the ability to update the device after it's eol is handy, and installing a custom rom is often nice as well.
Pure Android is where it is at for me, plain and smple. I might go for another non google device now and then if the bootloader is unlockable so I can end up flashing a pure android rom but I always end up back on a pixel. It is a shame that samsung has not allowed bootloader unlocking lately, especially on a so called "fan edition". What a joke!
Physical size of the device. Sure the size of the screen on my current phone is bigger and show more but it's also physically a larger phone.
That one of the main selling points for me. I also look forward to having the FP reader on the back again, current phone is under display and I'm not a fan!
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Another selling point is vanilla android vs having to find a reliable custom rom for my Mi 9T (pixel experience is good though).
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I don't "need" eSIM, but its a useful feature assuming the dreaded COVID19 is eventually going to end, so one could travel again. It allows you to get and install a local plan in a different country without having to physically get the SIM card, a feature i'd actually like to have on my next phone. Not a must. But definitely a bonus. And most definitely a turn-off to get a device with the actual hardware being there, but having it disabled because Sammy and the carriers told so.
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Just get Fi, homie. Pay for the data you use, capped at 6 GB cost (60 bucks + 20 for the line), no international charges for phone or data, and it works almost everywhere. If it's a small country, Fi might even pick up neighboring service. I have been from Barcelona to Bratislava, Mexico, Costa Rica, and Columbia on Fi, and I had no problems whatsoever. Fi even sends you a nice little welcome text to let you know that you are in a different service area. And, no, I don't work for Google, lol. I changed because I love to travel and hate other carriers' intl fees or messing around with local SIMs.
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Just get Fi, homie...
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Thanks but no thanks, been there, done that. Yes, the international data on the Fi is definitely a plus. But:
Its expensive
I am currently on Cricket (AT&T MVNO), their lowest plan is $30 for 2gb, but before the COVID times i'd usually pay $35 for 5..10gb, slowed down afterwards, with similar plans also available directly from AT&T. My actual consumption now is close to 0, but has been somewhere in range of 2..3gb per month pre-COVID on average, so i've ended up paying $40..50, plus tax, as far as i recall, while most prepaid plans have tax included. Way too expensive just to have the same expensive data abroad, which is usually much cheaper there than it is in US.
It's coverage in US is pretty bad
In US its basically a T-Mobile MVNO. It got some contracts with US Cellular as well, i think, but its mostly just T-Mobile. I've been to many places i;ve just got NO reception whatsoever, where Cricket (read - AT&T) works perfectly fine, notably, on the ski sites in VT near #100, but this is just one example, the T-Mobile reception is generally just BAD.
Pay per use data is more annoying than i though it would be
You are basically paying $10/gb until you hit 6gb, which makes me think twice about everything i do online. Play Spotify? Nah, i don't remember if i have it downloaded, it will eat data, i'll pay for that. Watch that video on YouTube on the go? Nah, screw that, its probably 100mb in HD or so, that's $1 for a stupid video. And i absolutely hate this line of thinking. I want unlimited data which doesn't punish you financially if you go over the limit. And i don't want to pay $80+tax for that.
Sorry bro, but you DO sound like a Google sales person, lol
If you just want to text, make calls, twatter, and freakbook. Get the Samsung.
If need more independents, get the Pixel 5.
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here's the minireview (after i bought it so late, knowing there's no Note21 coming, and written some summary about rooting):
Looks: who cares, it's hidden in the case, every phone nowadays looks the same. Thou naked, Note10 is the hottest phone, and this one looks similar to it. How does it help? You can enjoy it on the internet, like a window shopper. Your ugly case will decide its fate! For truly unique look,. get a foldable.
Body: heavy as hell, what can I say. Ultraultrathin case on the way to compensate. You have three choices: X-Level case, pitaka case, or give up. I miss the Bixby button to program it in Xposed Edge and there's no Lockdown option anywhere. On 1+ I could use unique wakelock geatures or unique fingerprint menu to trigger some stuff. Here there's no immediate shortcuts unfortunately.
Battery: hesitated for a month reading horror stories about battery. With A11, root, usual wakelocks (AOD, dt2wake, raise2wake), bluetooth & location tracking & VPN running nonstop and 1:1 data and 200 apps as on all past phones, and even without 1+ aggressive RAM cleanup, i must claim the battery is fantastic on Exynos. 3 days easy with my relaxed usage, which is just like OnePlus 6-7-8 I used to have.
Charging: pretty fast for a single battery. You saw the results on gsmarena. Not bad for an emergency topup. Highly compatible with many chargers (unlike 1+). Of course it can't match 8T or 1+9 speed, but very close to 8Pro. But you have tons of chargers around the world at your disposal. Shame on 1+ for this "Apple" type of strategy. In my huge collection of cables and USB testers I have just one of each which supports "Warp". I charged each 1+ at 8W thanks to this as I refuse proprietary methods. Still I did have their Qi charger to celebrate the addition of Qi, and interestingly Note20 won't charge from it.
Fingerprint: better than S10, potentially faster than Oneplus, however it's killed by a massive sluggish response to unlocking. Simply put, finger is recognized very fast but then there's a huge delay til screen is unlocked or app accepts it!
Camera: took an hour to carefully analyze few pics made in the same place, under 2x zoom I couldn't fault it and only found issues on 1+ side. The 1+ 8Pro, which is my reference flagship of 2020, featured issues: yellow tint, massive hair artifacts which look like compression, massive transition artifacts (like a botched Bokeh on a picture which is not even portrait mode!), less detail in each pic, lot of extra noise, highlight clipping. On the other side, this Note didn't have any issue. I'm bit shocked, i expected more balanced battle. Not like 10:0 for Samsung. It's just one mode tested: AUTO on main camera. Nothing else matters because thats how pics are made by people (that's what Xperia owners don't get: "but but you need to use the Pro mode" ). I don't make pics, but i can see the phone will be inheritable within family very easily as they love cameras.
Software: bloated into oblivion, had a lot of work with the guide so expect some serious time burnt on debloating this monster as 1+ owners laugh into your face. Rooting and updating will be only with cable and via Odin, as you can't even enter recovery and DL mode without PC anymore. So the sd card will not save your arse when abroad. However unlocking bootloader is without "agreement", so the warranty is still valid in EU. As bragged earlier, lot of functionality forces you to login and the account demands even your phone number aaaaand I couldn't even fake email and phone! They're so dedicated to capture your real identity so it's best to stay logged out. Even the frikking wallpapers which are ugly this season cannot be changed. But on the other side, the OneUI OS gives you way more than bland 1+ or Xperias, there's always some extra for you. Like the hints in Settings, one hand use, the SmartStay, the cool magnifier, the Spen actions, voice control of camera, camera minivideos, the kid mode, the notif reminder, e-z split screen, the conversation bubbles, richer AOD, rotating wallpaper, Bixby routines, Edge panel etc. Notifbar is full of shortcuts which usually indicates how rich OS is. There are even apps, like video or song browser, something that no longer exists in many OS. Notably the firewall is missing. So overall, after debloating it's stronger perhaps more productive than those vanilla OSes. I love the split screen can be done with dragging from Edge panel.
Speed: massive improvement vs s10 generation i'd say. For the first time, i see Samsung device can be snappy. But don't expect 1+ speed, it's not THAT fast. It's still just Exynos. I even noticed lagging animations here and there, but it's not nonstop like on gen10.
Display: 8Pro and Note20 were rated as the best displays by several ranking agencies and im not paranoid enough to claim their rankings are bogus. Just like i don't hate Dxomark or even positives boasting DisplayMate. Having quite many flagships in past I can see Samsung is always more readable than any other brand. I appreciate the brightness during the day and night. It doesn't force you to increase brightness manually every single night. Now the dark environment use: the backbleeding isn't obtrusive like on Tab S* or OLED TVs, it doesn't have status bar burnt like 8Pro, and it's pretty uniform. With gray color and low brightness I could see the screen blink once which was scary but couldn't replicate it anymore. Well in any case, we do NEED new display technology to replace this pulsating OLED nonsense. No problem with swiping like on Xperia5ii or ZFlip, not many mistouches, the curve is gentle. The resolution is limited at 120Hz but I will say it again: i cannot see more pixels or any detail better under physical magnifier. FullHD is better than Xperia1ii [email protected] any time that's why I couldn't buy that Sony. I do lower resolution on every phone, incl 8Pro which can run 2K @120Hz.
Network: another improvement since S10 is improved network, just like notebookcheck reports, it's in back to top league with 8Pro. WAN speed averages for me: 482/290 on Note20U, 440/234 on 1+8Pro, 481/147 on S10. Pure WiFi AC speed averages were 600/709, 648/706, 610/696 respectively. Making S10 quite good for LAN despite initial horrible S10,S10+,Note10,Note10+ results on notebookcheck, well i'm testing them in same exact position at the same time, so my results are more real at this point.
SD card: nothing exciting here happened over a decide except when they remove this feature. No advancements were made to utilize UHS2 or UHS1+ speed of Extreme cards. Benchmark is 61MBs, so it's not capped like Xperia to 30MBs. Again, can't use sd card to recover your ROM, but rather to store encrypted backups (from OAndbackup currently as 3C can't encrypt and TitaniumBackup is dead).
Overall gen.10 Samsung owners (S10,S10+,Note10,Note10+) have every reason to update their midrangers. Others will buy S21 as it's finally got a decent Exynos. I personally won't buy 227 frikking gram brick without sd card. For 1+ owners it's a preference of freedom to root, (insert "irrational" in EU) fear of losing warranty, "i'm tired with Samsung", properietary charging (1+), sd card, too much bloat, lot of extras vs vanilla etc. Both are strong flagships, didn't expect such good battery and camera result here. After disappointing Z Flip and Xperia5ii, and a decent pause in Samsung ownership (I didn't keep Note9 and S10 for myself so my last longterm device was S8) i'm keeping this as a main driver. I can clean it up very well, there's no snitching, there's zero Samsung connections active and battery clearly proves it. So for rooted users this device is a gem. Nema problema.
Thanks for sharing.
Keep in mind that it's just your personal opinion, and other users might have different opinions.
There is a note 21 coming. Not sure where you got that from but they said it some timr ago when rumors started circulating that a new note IS comimg
And how the hell are you getting 3 days of use?! When i use my phone super light for two days i barley make it to thr second night and even somethimes i need to give it few mins of juice in thr car or somwhere just so i can make it. And that id with very light use.
What bloat are you reffering too, do tou have a contract pgone or sim free? I have sim free and the only bloat i have is the odd sammy software that i occasionally rven use.
Ps. OneUI is not an OS but skin.
Re speed i am an owner od s10, note21 and s21 and i see verry little differrnce between thr s10 and note21, although i do not play games but i use photoshop, lightroom, drawing software and some other similar there is not much difference to say it is massive. There is, it is normal but not massive for sure and all 3 phones feel snappy as hell. Started using sammy with the s7 again and from that point on one from each generation and all felth at their time spanny and very goos.
The only bad thing i have expirianced with my s10 is wifi connectivity, it was poor compared even to my older phones, and with the note 20 ultra 4G is very VERY poor. Or the regular pgone signal. I constantly loose wifi or 4G in places where my other friends do not on all 3 of my phones since the s10 including my note 20 ultra.
As a previous one plus owner i can tell you that the only difference in quality for comparing Oneplus and samsung is thr camera. Nothing else. Onepkus makes solid phones, and they are getting expensive to a point where you comoare them with the top hitters of samsung but the camera is light years behind, there are not even in the same ballpark to compare there.
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No harm in having different opinions we are all different people after all.
tixooo said:
There is a note 21 coming. Not sure where you got that from but they said it some timr ago when rumors started circulating that a new note IS comimg
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well..that's a rumor agains rumor
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And how the hell are you getting 3 days of use?! When i use my phone super light for two days i barley make it to thr second night and even somethimes i need to give it few mins of juice in thr car or somwhere just so i can make it. And that id with very light use.
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yeah im also lightly using the phone.. but it's nonstop connected to PC and watches, VPN, location tracking, all typical wakelocks on. After time, I'd say it's the same as you describe, 3rd day so so. But it's way better than as people described on the forums "horrible Exynos battery". It scared me away from buying for a good month.
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What bloat are you reffering too, do tou have a contract pgone or sim free? I have sim free and the only bloat i have is the odd sammy software that i occasionally rven use.
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well there was a link to debloat. Of course, Samsung is still the leader in bloatware. Heavily bloated like always.
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Ps. OneUI is not an OS but skin.
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let's not nitpick. We could say the same about Linux distros etc. The whole user facing solution is the OS.
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Re speed i am an owner od s10, note21 and s21 and i see verry little differrnce between thr s10 and note21, although i do not play games but i use photoshop, lightroom, drawing software and some other similar there is not much difference to say it is massive. There is, it is normal but not massive for sure and all 3 phones feel snappy as hell. Started using sammy with the s7 again and from that point on one from each generation and all felth at their time spanny and very goos.
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Had S7 to S10, but it wasn't snappy at all. This is first time it feels that way, thou vanilla OSes like Oxygen are snappier and stutterless. Sure enough i will like newer CPU on newer models, but I just did a sanity check - it is quite snappy.
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The only bad thing i have expirianced with my s10 is wifi connectivity, it was poor compared even to my older phones, and with the note 20 ultra 4G is very VERY poor. Or the regular pgone signal. I constantly loose wifi or 4G in places where my other friends do not on all 3 of my phones since the s10 including my note 20 ultra.
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Hmm, that was one problem fixed with Note20. No more moaning from my family about Wifi once upgraded S10->Note20. Connectivity good overall.
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As a previous one plus owner i can tell you that the only difference in quality for comparing Oneplus and samsung is thr camera. Nothing else. Onepkus makes solid phones, and they are getting expensive to a point where you comoare them with the top hitters of samsung but the camera is light years behind, there are not even in the same ballpark to compare there.
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Well, that's only one difference. The main difference for me is the software. This is where OnePlus saves money, by not inveting a penny to enrich the experience and add some productivity gains. This is where OneUI OS shines.
You made a good choice.
The only other one I would consider is the N10+.
I use the SD card as a data drive. You need a V30 rated card for top transfer speeds.
Sorry Sammy, no SD card, no sale
blackhawk said:
You made a good choice.
The only other one I would consider is the N10+.
I use the SD card as a data drive. You need a V30 rated card for top transfer speeds.
Sorry Sammy, no SD card, no sale
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i have an SD card, in one of Note20 and Ultra, and it's slow just like in every other mobile (apparently there's no device/appliance with higher speed than 90MBs UHS1 cap other than PC/DSLR - e.g. Sandisk Extreme a.k.a. UHS1+ or UHS2). I mean V30 is very slow to me, both sequential and random access. Given the terrible latency a.k.a. 4K speed, i wouldn't use the SD card for anything but backups and static dead files like music/videos. SD cards are a complete joke versus UFS. Also 60Hz screen, not for me, but OK for the person who received Note20 after S10 and never experienced the 120Hz heaven))
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i have an SD card, in one of Note20 and Ultra, and it's slow just like in every other mobile (apparently there's no device/appliance with higher speed than 90MBs UHS1 cap other than PC/DSLR - e.g. Sandisk Extreme a.k.a. UHS1+ or UHS2). I mean V30 is very slow to me, both sequential and random access. Given the terrible latency a.k.a. 4K speed, i wouldn't use the SD card for anything but backups and static dead files like music/videos. SD cards are a complete joke versus UFS. Also 60Hz screen, not for me, but OK for the person who received Note20 after S10 and never experienced the 120Hz heaven))
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For the N10+ the V30 is around it's top transfer speeds, the N20 is probably good for more.
The N10+ comes with Pie so no scope storage or the other Q nasties.
Lol, 60hz is 30hz faster than I was raised on being a 60's TV child... I'm not greedy
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well..that's a rumor agains rumor
yeah im also lightly using the phone.. but it's nonstop connected to PC and watches, VPN, location tracking, all typical wakelocks on. After time, I'd say it's the same as you describe, 3rd day so so. But it's way better than as people described on the forums "horrible Exynos battery". It scared me away from buying for a good month.
well there was a link to debloat. Of course, Samsung is still the leader in bloatware. Heavily bloated like always.
let's not nitpick. We could say the same about Linux distros etc. The whole user facing solution is the OS.
Had S7 to S10, but it wasn't snappy at all. This is first time it feels that way, thou vanilla OSes like Oxygen are snappier and stutterless. Sure enough i will like newer CPU on newer models, but I just did a sanity check - it is quite snappy.
Hmm, that was one problem fixed with Note20. No more moaning from my family about Wifi once upgraded S10->Note20. Connectivity good overall.
Well, that's only one difference. The main difference for me is the software. This is where OnePlus saves money, by not inveting a penny to enrich the experience and add some productivity gains. This is where OneUI OS shines.
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Where are you from, and is your phonr sim free or not?because my pgone is sim free and i have close to zero bloat (except the odd sammy rmail, web browser etc. That i do not consider bloat). For me personally everything google is bloat that you cant remove (i do not like google as you can see )
Unless you are not sim free the phone it self was pretty clean when i purchased it no adds, no usless software (except 1-2 samsung things that i do not use and cant remove) but that is their pgone... It is to be expected to see their software on it.
Re the battery... To be fair i stopped listening to reviewers and people on the net lomg time ago, turns out many are biased towards this or that and tou cant really get the true story. I am extreamly happy with my battery and my camera, two points that are heavily criticized on the forums anywhere and by reviewers.
I still own s7, s8 and s10... And even now if they are not packed with software they hry are not that bad, but during their prime time they were as snappy as ever dor me. Might be a sim free vs not i do not know. All my phomes are sim free.
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Where are you from, and is your phonr sim free or not?because my pgone is sim free and i have close to zero bloat (except the odd sammy rmail, web browser etc. That i do not consider bloat). For me personally everything google is bloat that you cant remove (i do not like google as you can see )
Unless you are not sim free the phone it self was pretty clean when i purchased it no adds, no usless software (except 1-2 samsung things that i do not use and cant remove) but that is their pgone... It is to be expected to see their software on it.
Re the battery... To be fair i stopped listening to reviewers and people on the net lomg time ago, turns out many are biased towards this or that and tou cant really get the true story. I am extreamly happy with my battery and my camera, two points that are heavily criticized on the forums anywhere and by reviewers.
I still own s7, s8 and s10... And even now if they are not packed with software they hry are not that bad, but during their prime time they were as snappy as ever dor me. Might be a sim free vs not i do not know. All my phomes are sim free.
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From EU, we don't have any locks by law. Still even such Samsungs are full of processes that waste memory, batter, keep connection, and kill privacy. It's not just what you see as icons. It's Bixby, Samsung Cloud, Find, Galaxy Friends, Pay, push service, logging, debugging, location tracking, knoxx, wifi snitching, Phone assistance, and finally sponsored vendor crap with boosted battery priorities. Can't believe you didn't notice until now There must be tons of threads about this.
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From EU, we don't have any locks by law. Still even such Samsungs are full of processes that waste memory, batter, keep connection, and kill privacy. It's not just what you see as icons. It's Bixby, Samsung Cloud, Find, Galaxy Friends, Pay, push service, logging, debugging, location tracking, knoxx, wifi snitching, Phone assistance, and finally sponsored vendor crap with boosted battery priorities. Can't believe you didn't notice until now There must be tons of threads about this.
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Half of those i use, if not more. So do my friends. As i said define bloat. To me bloat is google everything and thr inability to get rid if it easily. To me bloat is not something you buy and you get the brand services, but other services you do not want likr carier services or others like microsoft/google etc.
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Keep in mind that it's just your personal opinion, and other users might have different opinions.
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That response,
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From EU, we don't have any locks by law. Still even such Samsungs are full of processes that waste memory, batter, keep connection, and kill privacy. It's not just what you see as icons. It's Bixby, Samsung Cloud, Find, Galaxy Friends, Pay, push service, logging, debugging, location tracking, knoxx, wifi snitching, Phone assistance, and finally sponsored vendor crap with boosted battery priorities. Can't believe you didn't notice until now There must be tons of threads about this.
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Indeed, that's why a Samsung 4500mAh battery will never be as comparable as lets say a OnePlus' 4500mAh.
First thing one must do, ADB uninstall the hell out of all the Samsung garbage apps and such. For every Google spyware on ONE UI there is also an equivalent Samsung process running.
I was considering getting this phone but Samsung screwed up with the CPU heatsink big time on some of the same variant and it's random, unpredictable. Only observation of abnormal poor heat dissipation or a tear down can reveal which heat sink is used.
Russian heat sink roulette, perfect
I don't have the patience for this kind of poor quality control. It's getting to be a hallmark of Samsung. Why the hell didn't Samsung use only the copper vapor cooling solution on all of it's models? A sick, expensive joke that can't be easily retrofitted or cure by firmware.
Really?
If yours is running hot this may be why.
Here’s Why Some Galaxy Note 20 Phones Have Overheating Problems & There’s Nothing One Can Do
This is unacceptable.
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Hi, I would like your opinion for the purchase of another smartphone equivalent to Galaxy s21 ultra like Honor after the return of google service or another brand thank you in advance
Meh, oranges to lemons.
I go with a N10+ or a N20U running on no higher than Q.
The S21U isn't a favorite of mine. Android R is a dog and 12 will likely be worse.
No SD card. Lacks the gorgeous design of the N10+ and damn, are we back to round corners again?
You need to decide what you want. You're all over the road so how to you expect to get home?
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Hi, I would like your opinion for the purchase of another smartphone equivalent to Galaxy s21 ultra like Honor after the return of google service or another brand thank you in advance
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I'd go for the OnePlus 9T. Great phone, just not quite to the hardware standard of the S21 Ultra but not far off.
blackhawk said:
Meh, oranges to lemons.
I go with a N10+ or a N20U running on no higher than Q.
The S21U isn't a favorite of mine. Android R is a dog and 12 will likely be worse.
No SD card. Lacks the gorgeous design of the N10+ and damn, are we back to round corners again?
You need to decide what you want. You're all over the road so how to you expect to get home?
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Yeah, we get it. Mainly from you posting the same thing at every opportunity.
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Yeah, we get it. Mainly from you posting the same thing at every opportunity.
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Face it 2021 sucks for Android.
1+? Bah-ha-ha-ha... I meant no comment.
We? You a committee of one now?
Actually I'm restraining myself a lot... take your own bloody advice, mate.
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Face it 2021 sucks for Android.
1+? Bah-ha-ha-ha... I meant no comment.
We? You a committee of one now?
Actually I'm restraining myself a lot... take your own bloody advice, mate.
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Committee of one? No, just someone who's a bit bored of you posting the same complaints, and I'd be surprised if I'm the only one. You're continually saying that you don't like :-
Android R
Android Q
The additional security Google has put in place since Android R
Not having a memory card slot
Having round corners
You don't need to post it every time the opportunity arises so maybe a little more constraint is called for?
I'm curious, do you even have an S21 Ultra? If so it sounds to me like you should sell it and go back to the Note 10+ if you still have it, or buy one with the resulting funds.
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Committee of one? No, just someone who's a bit bored of you posting the same complaints, and I'd be surprised if I'm the only one. You're continually saying that you don't like :-
Android R
Android Q
The additional security Google has put in place since Android R
Not having a memory card slot
Having round corners
You don't need to post it every time the opportunity arises so maybe a little more constraint is called for?
I'm curious, do you even have an S21 Ultra? If so it sounds to me like you should sell it and go back to the Note 10+ if you still have it, or buy one with the resulting funds.
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Off topic. Do what I do and hit ignore button for the bores... now you're dead to me.
I'm heartbroken.
samlis said:
Hi, I would like your opinion for the purchase of another smartphone equivalent to Galaxy s21 ultra like Honor after the return of google service or another brand thank you in advance
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There's the Sony Xperia 1 III. Compares very favorably to the S21 Ultra and surpasses it in a number of features. Display, MicroSD, 3.5 Jack and Faster Charging. The Sony is a bit more expensive but with the MicroSD you can lower the cost by acquiring the 128GB version and add up to 512GB External Storage. That isn't an option with the S21 Ultra and if you opt for 512GB it increases the cost of Galaxy device to $1,400 USD. Definitely worth a look.
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There's the Sony Xperia 1 III. Compares very favorably to the S21 Ultra and surpasses it in a number of features. Display, MicroSD, 3.5 Jack and Faster Charging. The Sony is a bit more expensive but with the MicroSD you can lower the cost by acquiring the 128GB version and add up to 512GB External Storage. That isn't an option with the S21 Ultra and if you opt for 512GB it increases the cost of Galaxy device to $1,400 USD. Definitely worth a look.
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The Sony supports up to 1tb SD cards. A 1tb V30 rated Sandisk Extreme can be had for $179 now.
A .5tb V30 card goes for about $80.
V30 rated cards will play movies, music with no issues.
Using the SD card as a data drive is preferable to one huge internal shared drive.
Not sure how scoped storage in Android 11/12 will impact its use/functionality though...
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The Sony supports up to 1tb SD cards. A 1tb V30 rated Sandisk Extreme can be had for $179 now.
A .5tb V30 card goes for about $80.
V30 rated cards will play movies, music with no issues.
Using the SD card as a data drive is preferable to one huge internal shared drive.
Not sure how scoped storage in Android 11/12 will impact its use/functionality though...
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I don't understand why scoped storage is a deficiency to a large degree. It assists in accessing permissions which app developers fail to build into their specific platforms. I don't care to go way off topic from the OP however I would suggest it's a much larger benefit than a drawback.
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Meh, oranges to lemons.
I go with a N10+ or a N20U running on no higher than Q.
The S21U isn't a favorite of mine. Android R is a dog and 12 will likely be worse.
No SD card. Lacks the gorgeous design of the N10+ and damn, are we back to round corners again?
You need to decide what you want. You're all over the road so how to you expect to get home?
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You should accept not everyone prefers a device shaped like a box, most devices have rounded corners so you're in the minority. It's a subjective assessment, your opinion doesn't go beyond you.
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You should accept not everyone prefers a device shaped like a box, most devices have rounded corners so you're in the minority. It's a subjective assessment, your opinion doesn't go beyond you.
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In your opinion... funny how you think you're opinion is the majority.
Manufacturers like rounded corners as it requires less precision and is cheaper to fabricate. Did they remember to pass that savings to you?
Scoped storage hasn't been properly integrated and will cause problems for years.
For what? When was the last time malware forced you to reload a Android?
As an added benefit scoped storage will use more cpu cycles to protect you from yourself.
Obviously this should benefit you.
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In your opinion... funny how you think you're opinion is the majority.
Manufacturers like rounded corners as it requires less precision and is cheaper to fabricate. Did they remember to pass that savings to you?
Scoped storage hasn't been properly integrated and will cause problems for years.
For what? When was the last time malware forced you to reload a Android?
As an added benefit scoped storage will use more cpu cycles to protect you from yourself.
Obviously this should benefit you.
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Man, do you even have s21 ultra?
If No, then why bothering to discuss ur "superior" N10+ in an s21 ultra group?
If Yes, then why bringing ur "marvelous the 8th wonder of the world" N10+ in an s21 ultra group every single thread discussing an issue related to s21 ultra?
At last, it's ur opinion and you really don't need to convince us with it, have a blast
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Man, do you even have s21 ultra?
If No, then why bothering to discuss ur "superior" N10+ in an s21 ultra group?
If Yes, then why bringing ur "marvelous the 8th wonder of the world" N10+ in an s21 ultra group every single thread discussing an issue related to s21 ultra?
At last, it's ur opinion and you really don't need to convince us with it, have a blast
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30/3, I see why.
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In your opinion... funny how you think you're opinion is the majority.
Manufacturers like rounded corners as it requires less precision and is cheaper to fabricate. Did they remember to pass that savings to you?
Scoped storage hasn't been properly integrated and will cause problems for years.
For what? When was the last time malware forced you to reload a Android?
As an added benefit scoped storage will use more cpu cycles to protect you from yourself.
Obviously this should benefit you.
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You're tripping over toothpicks, get over it. If you have input on the OP feel free to share, getting into the weeds over items which are non sequitur benefits no one.
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You should accept not everyone prefers a device shaped like a box, most devices have rounded corners so you're in the minority. It's a subjective assessment, your opinion doesn't go beyond you.
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I do it makes it easier to put in a case with round corners made of rubber and a flat glass screen protector. Round edges suck they limit accessories and make manufacturing disposable protection more difficult
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30/3, I see why.
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So You're farming reaction score and messages?
Here, let me help you with another reply
blackhawk said:
In your opinion... funny how you think you're opinion is the majority.
Manufacturers like rounded corners as it requires less precision and is cheaper to fabricate. Did they remember to pass that savings to you?
Scoped storage hasn't been properly integrated and will cause problems for years.
For what? When was the last time malware forced you to reload a Android?
As an added benefit scoped storage will use more cpu cycles to protect you from yourself.
Obviously this should benefit you.
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It is S21 forum, don't expect people to think rationally about the phone which costed them more than 1k. I have S21 ultra and I am happy with the phone, but it doesn't mean that I am blind and see only bright side, specially where we have couple of nasty wrong things with it.
I have noticed that you have two choices, be hurray-optimistic and happy with device, or you are going to be called hater. It is really simple, I was on facebook group about PS5 and as I own one, I could put some criticism regarding console itself but no, it is not allowed. You are happy or get lost, simple.
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I don't understand why scoped storage is a deficiency to a large degree. It assists in accessing permissions which app developers fail to build into their specific platforms. I don't care to go way off topic from the OP however I would suggest it's a much larger benefit than a drawback.
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It isn't, for most of the time. Literally the only apps that need full storage access are file managers, of which you should only need one (or maybe two, one for advanced management, and one for everyday use). Besides, Google does have an API to get around scoped storage for such apps.
@samlis to answer your question, I think the phone that comes closest to the S21 Ultra is the Pixel 6 Pro. Apart from the slightly worse camera (you can literally not tell the difference in most photos, except for night mode, which the Pixel wins hands down, and >10x zoom, in which case the S21 Ultra wins).
However with the S22 coming so soon (in about 3-4 months), you might be better off waiting for that, either because it will offer much better experience at very similar price points, or because it will drive the S21's price down.
I keep seeing the s21 ultra can have multiple users. I am fully up-to-date on all software and everything like that. Yet I cannot find this setting to save my life and how to activate it or anything like that. If anyone has any information I would really be thankful and appreciative
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I keep seeing the s21 ultra can have multiple users. (...)
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Yes, if you have an S22. But you don't. Other models will have when Samsung decides they already can.
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It would slow the phone down.
There's this.
Setting up a work profile with Knox maybe another option, not sure as I never use it.
vigomyth said:
I keep seeing the s21 ultra can have multiple users. I am fully up-to-date on all software and everything like that. Yet I cannot find this setting to save my life and how to activate it or anything like that. If anyone has any information I would really be thankful and appreciative
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Samsung enabled multiple Users only in OneUI 5.0 beta, but decided to remove it from the stable builds. So it is not available for any device as of now.
You can, however, enable Work Profile using Shelter app, and along with Secure Folder, you'll have 3 different user profiles on your device.
ze7zez said:
Yes, if you have an S22.
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Not on OneUI stable builds as of now
blackhawk said:
It would slow the phone down.
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No sir. It doesn't slow anything down. But I'm not sure about older phones like N10+ though .
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No sir. It doesn't slow anything down. But I'm not sure about older phones like N10+ though .
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lmao, the N10+ is a running machine... with great SOT
Multiple users will use more storage space and will likely impact battery life and performance.
Nothing's for free... try it, but I wouldn't do it.
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lmao, the N10+ is a running machine... with great SOT
Multiple users will use more storage space and will likely impact battery life and performance.
Nothing's for free... try it, but I wouldn't do it.
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As far as I understand, only one user runs at a time. All the other users are in a frozen state until they are logged in to.
Yes, it does take some storage, but only minimally. If you install the same app on multiple users, the app by itself doesn't take any additional space, because an app can be installed only once in a device. The app only gets a new data folder (in the multiple user environment) when installed in multiple profiles.
So you get to have an isolated environment with each profile, which can actually be beneficial in terms of performance and battery life. For example, I create a multiple user called gaming where I install my games. I don't want these games to run in the background and send me notifications. So until I login to my Gaming user account, all of the games remain frozen and get activated only when I login. Had I installed the games in my main profile, these games could keep running in the background checking for updates, sending notifications, downloading ads, etc.
So contrary to what you think, multiple users can actually save your phone's battery and improve performance since apps installed exclusively in multiple users do not run in the background until you login to those profiles!
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As far as I understand, only one user runs at a time. All the other users are in a frozen state until they are logged in to.
Yes, it does take some storage, but only minimally. If you install the same app on multiple users, the app by itself doesn't take any additional space, because an app can be installed only once in a device. The app only gets a new data folder (in the multiple user environment) when installed in multiple profiles.
So you get to have an isolated environment with each profile, which can actually be beneficial in terms of performance and battery life. For example, I create a multiple user called gaming where I install my games. I don't want these games to run in the background and send me notifications. So until I login to my Gaming user account, all of the games remain frozen and get activated only when I login. Had I installed the games in my main profile, these games could keep running in the background checking for updates, sending notifications, downloading ads, etc.
So contrary to what you think, multiple users can actually save your phone's battery and improve performance since apps installed exclusively in multiple users do not run in the background until you login to those profiles!
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Hard to say without trying but it's not an optimal setup. It likely will impact battery life and will complicate reloads and maintenance. I never use it even on PCs.
A better option is to buy a good used or reconditioned phone. Lol, the N10+ is a prime candidate; lots of bang for the buck. Two phones means complete physical isolation and one drop or firmware/hardware issue won't take out both users.
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Hard to say without trying but it's not an optimal setup. It likely will impact battery life and will complicate reloads and maintenance. I never use it even on PCs.
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I do it on every single device I own, both mobiles and laptops. Unlike Desktop OS, where multiple users continue to run in the background, on mobiles they don't. Only one user runs at a time.
The Work Profile is a special type of multiple user with a very distinct advantage: it runs concurrently with the main user, so you can get notifications from both profiles and app launches or files access from either profile is very convenient and fast.
My Samsung phone is the only phone where multiple user isn't present, so for the time being I'm managing with Main Profile + Secure Folder + Work Profile.
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A better option is to buy a good used or reconditioned phone.
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Easier and much more convenient to carry one phone than two. This is just in line with what you say about having a microSD card slot being better than an external SSD.
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the N10+ is a prime candidate
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I did look for N10+, but couldn't find one. Besides, I'm not too much into colour accuracy that you keep talking about. The new A54 comes with a dedicated microSD card slot that supports upto 1TB. So if one has to get one, then it makes sense to get the newer model, even if it is not a flagship of its time. That's because all N10+ unsold in the market would have battery concerns by now. Availability of other spares (if required) would be another concern.
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I did look for N10+, but couldn't find one. Besides, I'm not too much into colour accuracy that you keep talking about. The new A54 comes with a dedicated microSD card slot that supports upto 1TB. So if one has to get one, then it makes sense to get the newer model, even if it is not a flagship of its time. That's because all N10+ unsold in the market would have battery concerns by now. Availability of other spares (if required) would be another concern.
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The N10+ tear the A54 to pieces. Build Q isn't there either. Form factor sucks.
Finding a good vender can be challenging. New ones are still available from a known good vendor but the price is double that of a used one. However it would be loaded with Android 10, not 11 or 12. That's a big bonus. If you don't care about the OS version just cover your six if you buy a used one. Test the hell out of it when recieved especially the display, cams and modem.
The N10+ can easily last 4+ years with only batter replacements as needed if in a good case and if thoughtfully used. This one in my hand has over 8k hours on it and it is in perfect condition including the display. It's a gorgeous work horse.
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The N10+ tear the A54 to pieces.
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For sure. Mentioned A54 as it is the only phone currently in the midrange category from any brand that supports microSD card slot.
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New ones are still available from a known good vendor but the price is double that of a used one
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The issue is about battery. Batteries degrade faster if not put through charge/ discharge cycles for extended periods of time. In this case, that's pretty long time of about 3 years.
Buying a new phone and then getting the battery replaced shortly after is not something I like doing. I really hate opening up phones. Most service centres do a thoroughly unprofessional job.
I'm not looking for any phone now. Already have plenty.
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This one in my hand has over 8k hours on it
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How do you check this?
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For sure. Mentioned A54 as it is the only phone currently in the midrange category from any brand that supports microSD card slot.
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Which is why I'm still running N10+'s. Samsung is dead to me.
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The issue is about battery. Batteries degrade faster if not put through charge/ discharge cycles for extended periods of time. In this case, that's pretty long time of about 3 years.
Buying a new phone and then getting the battery replaced shortly after is not something I like doing. I really hate opening up phones. Most service centres do a thoroughly unprofessional job.
I'm not looking for any phone now. Already have plenty.
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On a heavily used optimized N10+ it's about 2 years. It's simply not worth destroying one of these over a degraded battery failing, routine maintenance. If buying used I wouldn't even worry about it... not a big deal. A worn out or damaged display though is.
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How do you check this?
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Guesstimate. It's likely more at 9k hours. This device sees a lot of use. It's needing it's second battery replacement now. Probably do it myself this time.
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Which is why I'm still running N10+'s. Samsung is dead to me.
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Please don't single out Samsung. You're pretty much ruling out every smartphone brand out there based on this criteria.
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On a heavily used optimized N10+ it's about 2 years. It's simply not worth destroying one of these over a degraded battery failing, routine maintenance. If buying used I wouldn't even worry about it... not a big deal. A worn out or damaged display though is.
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The problem with used phones (or anything used) is you never know what kind of abuse they may have gone through, whether all parts are original or not, etc. I personally don't consider this option just for peace of mind.
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Guesstimate. It's likely more at 9k hours.
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I thought there is some app that pulls this data from the system.
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It's needing it's second battery replacement now. Probably do it myself this time.
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You still find original battery for this phone?
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Please don't single out Samsung. You're pretty much ruling out every smartphone brand out there based on this criteria.
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Not so. Sony for one. Samsung owns this fubar...
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The problem with used phones (or anything used) is you never know what kind of abuse they may have gone through, whether all parts are original or not, etc. I personally don't consider this option just for peace of mind.
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Well that one one reason I paid $700 for one 1.5 years ago. Plus I wanted to avoid Android 11 at all costs.
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I thought there is some app that pulls this data from the system.
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I doubt it especially if it's been factory reset.
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You still find original battery for this phone?
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Likely not. Probably use iFixit. OEM ones were/are made in Nam. Don't buy a used battery on ebay... yes, they are doing that.
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Sony for one
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Are their phones worth even half their price?
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Are their phones worth even half their price?
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Don't know as I never owned one and haven't really looked at them hard yet. Like you I got enough hardware right now. More a curiosity at the moment.
At least Sony is trying harder than Samsung. Sammy's gotten too big for his britches.
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Don't know as I never owned one and haven't really looked at them hard yet. Like you I got enough hardware right now. More a curiosity at the moment.
At least Sony is trying harder than Samsung. Sammy's gotten too big for his britches.
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I did consider Sony before getting my S22U, and it was easy to rule it out. Apart from availability (and therefore post purchase serviceability, spares, etc.), the phone by itself did not come across as a good competition in the market. No wonder they limited their sales to Japan only.
Whenever we talk of flagships, the entire premium is primarily for the cameras. Sony's phone cameras were no match for Samsung or any of the other flagships. The hardware was good, but their software was weak. And they were way too overpriced. I too do not know much about their implementation of Android, so couldn't import one with so much uncertainty (there were no demos available to check out).
All that said, you still have a good 3+ years to buy another phone. Over this time, you have to accept the reality that microSD card in a flagship phone isn't coming back. Sony, like LG, could possibly wind up their smartphone division too by then.
Fortunately, 1 TB variants are available today with many brands, so local storage should not be an issue. You'll have to start a new backup plan for your files, as dual drive option isn't coming back. It is quite easy to setup a sync mechanism that automatically backups up every user file on your phone to another device of your choice, wirelessly and real-time basis, WITHOUT internet, provided both devices are connected to the same WiFi network. So your 2nd device basically mirrors (if you want it that way) every user file you create on your main device.
Brands like Realme/ Redmi are bringing 1 TB variants for much less price. You can debloat them (i would never use an online service for this; you should seriously reconsider this too) and they become solid devices for their price with superfast charging speeds, excellent battery life, etc.
Sony's are more a pure Android flavor I've read. As for Samsung's direction with their cam technology... I'm not impressed. Once they went beyond 12mp sensors they were off the rails.
Expandable storage isn't dead but some people don't have it... oops.
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Samsung's direction with their cam technology... I'm not impressed. Once they went beyond 12mp sensors they were off the rails.
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All I know is their phones consistently take the best pictures among competition. That is all that matters. What you're saying is also true for Pixels and iPhones.
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Expandable storage isn't dead
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It is for premium flagships. You just have to accept reality.
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All I know is their phones consistently take the best pictures among competition. That is all that matters. What you're saying is also true for Pixels and iPhones.
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Yeh but are they faithful images or AI reconstructions? Either way no more than 20mp sensors are needed. Their marketing hype is completely out of hand now.
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It is for premium flagships. You just have to accept reality.
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Maybe you do but not me. I'm living the 1.5tb dual drive dream. My old Dell Latitude is a 4.5tb dual drive. If Samsung fails to fill this gap their competitors will. New ones will also rise to meet the demands of consumers especially if existing companies fail to do so.
Android scoped storage exacerbates the problem by using even more of the internal memory. So even less available storage space now. Much less bang for the buck. Play with a N10+ sometime side by side with a newer flagship...
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Yeh but are they faithful images or AI reconstructions?
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The moon shots are an exception.
The cameras on the S22U are really very good. This is true for all the lenses. The telephoto lenses do quite some magic . You have to experience it to understand it. They (cameras) are pretty much the only reason why I bought this phone last year. My OnePlus 8T otherwise had everything else I wanted.
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Maybe you do but not me. I'm living the 1.5tb dual drive dream. My old Dell Latitude is a 4.5tb dual drive. If Samsung fails to fill this gap their competitors will. New ones will also rise to meet the demands of consumers especially if existing companies fail to do so.
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I think by now I have already tried explaining this multiple times, but you just don't want to accept this fact. When time comes for you to buy your next new phone, you'll see the truth in my statement. You'll have to choose between a premium flagship and a phone that supports microSD card. Having both would mean two phones, not one.