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Should i switch to Nokia 7 Plus?

I have a 4/64GB Xiaomi Mi A2, bought it the exact same month it was release so I think I have one of the first units.
With that being said, I have noticed some backlight bleeding with this device over the course of 5 months, I'm also affected by the eMMC "bug".
And since Xiaomi keeps screwing up more and more within each newest (and late) monthly system update, I keep noticing this phone's counterpart, Nokia 7 Plus, isn't suffering from those issues.
So I have the opportunity to return this device back to Amazon and getting my full money back, so I figured I'd pick up either the 128GB version of Xiaomi Mi A2 or a Nokia 7 Plus of 64GB as well.
I need an opinion on this.

Yepi69 said:
I have a 4/64GB Xiaomi Mi A2, bought it the exact same month it was release so I think I have one of the first units.
With that being said, I have noticed some backlight bleeding with this device over the course of 5 months, I'm also affected by the eMMC "bug".
And since Xiaomi keeps screwing up more and more within each newest (and late) monthly system update, I keep noticing this phone's counterpart, Nokia 7 Plus, isn't suffering from those issues.
So I have the opportunity to return this device back to Amazon and getting my full money back, so I figured I'd pick up either the 128GB version of Xiaomi Mi A2 or a Nokia 7 Plus of 64GB as well.
I need an opinion on this.
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This will definitely be a wise thing to do,
Nokia 7 plus excels in every department (aside from Camera and day to day snappiness) , You will really enjoy having a more bug free experience

I've used a Nokia before and I wouldn't go back to another Nokia device although they're well built. One thing that I've personally noticed and others have reported with their Nokia devices too is that with every android upgrade the overall system performance degrades. On top of that, there is no official bootloader unlock method for majority of Nokia devices including Nokia 7 plus and no much third-party development.
It's a typical 'the grass is greener on the other side' effect. The Nokia 7 plus has its own set of android pie issues, just check its forum.. Nokia devices generally have horrible ram management even with greater ram capacities.
I personally love my Mi A2 and would never go back to a Nokia even if I want to change my device. Maybe try and get your Mi A2 replaced to get the emmc bug fixed? ?* I personally don't have the bug so my experience with this device is probably different from yours.

Quick look on the Nokias xda page reveals it has it's own bugs and if you are into custom roms and stuff it's lacking even more in development. Couple of my friends have 7 plus and my A2 is outperforming them in every category altough it's not fair comparison since I haven't been on stock rom in months. In my opinion a2 is better phone and I never experienced any bug aside that my mmc is also one of those ****ty micron ones, but it doesn't have any impact at all in day to day use. I think that bug is just exaggerated by bunch of benchmarkwankers.
In the end it all comes down to personal preference. But if I were you I would definately go for a change just for the fun of it.

Get the 128gb version. The Samsung flash memory doesn't suffer from the read write bug and if you can get it for like under 200USD (I got mine on sale for 190) then it's the best bargain ever....
Well of course it comes with bugs but still a bargain though lol

wait for the pixel lite

I would never buy a completely locked Android phone, since software support sucks on all of them.
If I had to buy a locked phone, it would be an iPhone

Amazon has the 128GB but not for that price, although it seems the grass is greener on the other side, Nokia 7 Plus has a few features I wish Mi A2 had, like micro SD slot and NFC respectively

Yepi69 said:
Amazon has the 128GB but not for that price, although it seems the grass is greener on the other side, Nokia 7 Plus has a few features I wish Mi A2 had, like micro SD slot and NFC respectively
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I have to agree with you on the sd card and nfc part. I miss those features too.
You don't have to get the 128gb version to fix the emmc bug. I have 32gb version (I bought it last month so it's probably the newer batch with the fixed emmc). Just try and send it in for warranty.
But if you want another device, I would suggest the redmi note 7 - another device by Xiaomi (now redmi is a brand of its own). It doesn't run stock android though and instead runs miui 10 and has all of the features the mi a2 doesn't.
If you're looking for budget stock android, then the Nokia phones are probably your only other best option. Keeping in mind the bootloader unlock is basically non existent.
Some other devices I came across were motorola one power and asus zenfone Max pro M1. Hop onto their respective forums here on XDA and see how active the development for them is.
If you're someone who upgrades phones every year or two and don't mess around with the phone, then you don't have to bother with bootloader unlocking and modding. In that case, the Nokia 7 plus would be a good buy.

Ashik_salim_ said:
I have to agree with you on the sd card and nfc part. I miss those features too.
You don't have to get the 128gb version to fix the emmc bug. I have 32gb version (I bought it last month so it's probably the newer batch with the fixed emmc). Just try and send it in for warranty.
But if you want another device, I would suggest the redmi note 7 - another device by Xiaomi (now redmi is a brand of its own). It doesn't run stock android though and instead runs miui 10 and has all of the features the mi a2 doesn't.
If you're looking for budget stock android, then the Nokia phones are probably your only other best option. Keeping in mind the bootloader unlock is basically non existent.
Some other devices I came across were motorola one power and asus zenfone Max pro M1. Hop onto their respective forums here on XDA and see how active the development for them is.
If you're someone who upgrades phones every year or two and don't mess around with the phone, then you don't have to bother with bootloader unlocking and modding. In that case, the Nokia 7 plus would be a good buy.
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That's the thing, my current Mi A2 is bootloader unlocked and using Pixel Experience due to Xiaomi's incompetence with updates.
I figure the 128GB version has the eMMC bug but just in case if I buy the same exact model, will you think it's a newer batch? There's no way to check either.

Alright, I've owned both the Mi A2 and the Nokia 7 Plus so I think I can give you a better breakdown. Both phones are good and both phones are solid. It really depends on what you prioritize more.
Mi A2:
Thinner and sleeker
Better camera and video
Lighter
More RAM and Memory variant
Has more custom development support
Nokia 7 Plus:
Better battery
Feels premium
Nice unique back texture
Heavier
But the Nokia 8.1 just came out, maybe you should check that out too?

Nokia 7 Plus Pros:
-Great Battery
-Good Cameras, not the best but good in proper lighting
-Great Build
-Cam2Api enabled by default
Cons:
i. No bug fixes since first Pie release, they only send patches
ii. Low light cam bad
iii. Late updates i.e blot on the name of Android enterprise recommend
iv. Software not optimized properly, lags, freezing,etc
v. Can't unlock bootloader
I have both MiA2 and N7P, there is not much difference except better battery in N7P, but Mia2's battery improved after hard reset from recovery and following proper charge cycle.

Galaxy S10 or Mi9

currently, I have Samsung S7 edge as my daily driver. I'm looking for a new phone and can't choose between S10 (Exynos version) or xiaomi mi9.
In my country there's no Snapdragon version of S10 which a way better than the Exynos..
Is S10 camera and display better than the mi 9 to pay additional 300$ ?

This years version of the Exynos just seems way slower than other years. So for that, the MI 9 seems a better way to go, unless you want a water proof rating and storage card option.
mohamedsaber00 said:
currently, I have Samsung S7 edge as my daily driver. I'm looking for a new phone and can't choose between S10 (Exynos version) or xiaomi mi9.
In my country there's no Snapdragon version of S10 which a way better than the Exynos..
Is S10 camera and display better than the mi 9 to pay additional 300$ ?
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If you have no problem with money, by all means go with the S10. Otherwise, the S10 is not worth the difference in price with the Mi 9

SurfaceCube said:
If you have no problem with money, by all means go with the S10. Otherwise, the S10 is not worth the difference in price with the Mi 9
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I have the money and wouldn't buy the S10. It's absolutely not worth!

Also depends if you can swallow oneui. It looks like an old people OS to me. Don't expect much AOSP development or fully working GSI. (i'm coming from s9+ and bought a mi 9). If you really value a headphone jack and sd card slot it might be a better option for you. But for price/quality ratio mi 9 all the way.

Why not go for the S10e Snapdragon version instead? That's what I've done and waiting for delivery.

benparker said:
Why not go for the S10e Snapdragon version instead? That's what I've done and waiting for delivery.
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I've read that you cannot unlock the bootloader on the S10e Snapdragon version. This was also the case for previous Sx Snapdragon phones. Link

benparker said:
Why not go for the S10e Snapdragon version instead? That's what I've done and waiting for delivery.
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There's no S10e here in Egypt .. There's only two options S10+ and s10 and both of them are exynos
I can order it from amazon but it will cost more than the regular s10

I am a Samsung S7 edge user as well, running the Snapdragon version with the eng bootloader, which has really crippled the phones performance. I been mega excited to order the Mi9 and been waiting on the Transparent Edition to pop up a little cheaper. So I am thinking you should take a look at the Vivo IQOO and Vivo IQOO Monster as they have some features the Mi9 doesn't. You lose some things with the Vivo IQOO like wireless charging, but you get speaker jack, internal memory card, 4000 mAh battery and a far superior charger.
mohamedsaber00 said:
currently, I have Samsung S7 edge as my daily driver. I'm looking for a new phone and can't choose between S10 (Exynos version) or xiaomi mi9.
In my country there's no Snapdragon version of S10 which a way better than the Exynos..
Is S10 camera and display better than the mi 9 to pay additional 300$ ?
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CrazyBeaver2377 said:
Also depends if you can swallow oneui. It looks like an old people OS to me. Don't expect much AOSP development or fully working GSI. (i'm coming from s9+ and bought a mi 9). If you really value a headphone jack and sd card slot it might be a better option for you. But for price/quality ratio mi 9 all the way.
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I'm a fan of headphone jack and have 128gb Sdcard which I don't want to lose but performance of Mi9 is much better than S10.
So I have to choose a side

airwebber said:
I am a Samsung S7 edge user as well, running the Snapdragon version with the eng bootloader, which has really crippled the phones performance. I been mega excited to order the Mi9 and been waiting on the Transparent Edition to pop up a little cheaper. So I am thinking you should take a look at the Vivo IQOO and Vivo IQOO Monster as they have some features the Mi9 doesn't. You lose some things with the Vivo IQOO like wireless charging, but you get speaker jack, internal memory card, 4000 mAh battery and a far superior charger.
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No one is selling Vivo phone here so I have to order it online which mean additional tax.
But for the headphone jack it worth to think about this phone.. Do you now anything about software support? ot custom roms.. xiaomi is so good in software update.. and there are alot of developers that support their phone

I am not sure what kind of support it will get being its so new. That is the only thing holding me back with it.
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No one is selling Vivo phone here so I have to order it online which mean additional tax.
But for the headphone jack it worth to think about this phone.. Do you now anything about software support? ot custom roms.. xiaomi is so good in software update.. and there are alot of developers that support their phone
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mohamedsaber00 said:
There's no S10e here in Egypt .. There's only two options S10+ and s10 and both of them are exynos
I can order it from amazon but it will cost more than the regular s10
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I ordered mine from eGlobal Central Hong Kong model and it should allow to unlock the bootloader.

Help I'm a noob with a question about the K20 Pro running Android. UK - Vodaphone

Hi guys,
So this phone seems amazing for the price and specs, but obviously, it doesn't run android.
Now my question is, I currently have a S7 Edge running the custom ROM (superman rom) and I've done a few custom ROMs so think I'd be confident if there was a guide to also do this to the K20 pro to make it the perfect phone.
My question is:
1. Do they make a guide to flash stock android or some form of android on this phone?
2. does the phone work in the UK on Vodaphone network?
3. is there another phone I should be looking at? the Oneplus 6t doesn't seem much of an upgrade for the money from the S7 Edge I've had for the last 3 years :\
thanks!

domyadig said:
Hi guys,
So this phone seems amazing for the price and specs, but obviously, it doesn't run android.
Now my question is, I currently have a S7 Edge running the custom ROM (superman rom) and I've done a few custom ROMs so think I'd be confident if there was a guide to also do this to the K20 pro to make it the perfect phone.
My question is:
1. Do they make a guide to flash stock android or some form of android on this phone?
2. does the phone work in the UK on Vodaphone network?
3. is there another phone I should be looking at? the Oneplus 6t doesn't seem much of an upgrade for the money from the S7 Edge I've had for the last 3 years :\
thanks!
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It is Android, just not as you know it.
At the moment the phone hasn't been released globally, so there's very little custom ROM development yet. It'll be released in India next week, but globally in a could of months, maybe. So it'll be a while yet before there's some progress with other ROMs. GSI ROMs work OK for the most part, and Phhuson's AOSP GSI will, obviously give you the purest Android. Though there are still a few issues with them, which for some, myself included, can be lived with, whilst others they will be deal breakers. There are guides for flashing ROMs on this phone. Have a look in the K20 Pro threads here.
The phone will work OK, for the most part in the UK. It lacks band 20. So EE will give the best coverage and O2 the worst. It 'should' be OK on Vodafone and Three with maybe the occasional patch that still relies on band 20 for compete coverage. EE would give you compete coverage and O2 probably wouldn't work outside of major towns and cities.
There's the OnePlus 7 and 7 Pro, though the Pro does have a large jump in price. Close to stock Android out of the box and OnePlus devices have the biggest custom ROM scene.
There's the Mi 9, which has a global version and some movement starting to happen on the custom ROMs.
Or there's the Asus ZenFone 6, which comes with a fairly stock android out of the box. Asus have tentatively reached out to the developer community and provided a small number of xda devs with a free phone, so there should be more development than you'd normally see on an Asus phone.

Robbo.5000 said:
It is Android, just not as you know it.
At the moment the phone hasn't been released globally, so there's very little custom ROM development yet. It'll be released in India next week, but globally in a could of months, maybe. So it'll be a while yet before there's some progress with other ROMs. GSI ROMs work OK for the most part, and Phhuson's AOSP GSI will, obviously give you the purest Android. Though there are still a few issues with them, which for some, myself included, can be lived with, whilst others they will be deal breakers. There are guides for flashing ROMs on this phone. Have a look in the K20 Pro threads here.
The phone will work OK, for the most part in the UK. It lacks band 20. So EE will give the best coverage and O2 the worst. It 'should' be OK on Vodafone and Three with maybe the occasional patch that still relies on band 20 for compete coverage. EE would give you compete coverage and O2 probably wouldn't work outside of major towns and cities.
There's the OnePlus 7 and 7 Pro, though the Pro does have a large jump in price. Close to stock Android out of the box and OnePlus devices have the biggest custom ROM scene.
There's the Mi 9, which has a global version and some movement starting to happen on the custom ROMs.
Or there's the Asus ZenFone 6, which comes with a fairly stock android out of the box. Asus have tentatively reached out to the developer community and provided a small number of xda devs with a free phone, so there should be more development than you'd normally see on an Asus phone.
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thanks for your reply,
the porblem is i have a s7 edge and can't really see why to spend £400+ plus on a phone that doesn't even do 1440p
it needs to have 1440p! lol

domyadig said:
thanks for your reply,
the porblem is i have a s7 edge and can't really see why to spend £400+ plus on a phone that doesn't even do 1440p
it needs to have 1440p! lol
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Because it will now cost you almost double that amount to get a new phone with 1440 display.

Robbo.5000 said:
Because it will now cost you almost double that amount to get a new phone with 1440 display.
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Is there any reason for this? I guess i should wait on a little while then.

domyadig said:
Is there any reason for this? I guess i should wait on a little while then.
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Yes. Any flagship phone with a QHD display will be marketed as a premium flagship and come with a premium price, look at the prices of the S10, the OP 7 Pro and the new Xperia phones. If you want a cheaper phone with QHD, then it will be a mid range SoC.

already have S8 Plus, running it as FHD+ to save the battery and can't feel or see the difference
I guess FHD+ is enough and battery friendly

domyadig said:
Hi guys,
So this phone seems amazing for the price and specs, but obviously, it doesn't run android.
Now my question is, I currently have a S7 Edge running the custom ROM (superman rom) and I've done a few custom ROMs so think I'd be confident if there was a guide to also do this to the K20 pro to make it the perfect phone.
My question is:
1. Do they make a guide to flash stock android or some form of android on this phone?
2. does the phone work in the UK on Vodaphone network?
3. is there another phone I should be looking at? the Oneplus 6t doesn't seem much of an upgrade for the money from the S7 Edge I've had for the last 3 years :\
thanks!
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If I were you right now with a 3 year old phone like you have there would be only one choice and that's the OnePlus 7 pro.definetly worth the few hundred extra for what your getting. Oxygen OS is hands down best software with Best QHD display you can get,if you dont mind full HD go with the normal 7 at a good price.
The redmi k20 pro will work fine but annoying Chinese software,maybe wait till September/October for a Mi 9T pro or November for a OnePlus 7T with possible standard version with a design similar to the k20.
Look at Xiaomi.eu rom for k20 pro if your going with that. It takes away all the bloat of the Chinese version with weekly updates based on Chinese official

Rog 2 or not

Hi everybody, I'm selling my Zenfone 6z to buy a new phone i love the rog phone 2 also if it has not a SD slot (I use SD to keep documents when I change phone). My question is: is it worth to buy a 899 Euro phone with snapdragon 855+ while next April there will be a lot of new snapdragon 865 phones even cheaper (redmi,realme,etc)?
Second question do both USB type c port support otg?
Thanks!

If u can afford and want the absolute newest and best u can wait...

AlanTham said:
If u can afford and want the absolute newest and best u can wait...
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Thank you Alan,
But that's the point I'd like to get it now...

Guybrush.d said:
Hi everybody, I'm selling my Zenfone 6z to buy a new phone i love the rog phone 2 also if it has not a SD slot (I use SD to keep documents when I change phone). My question is: is it worth to buy a 899 Euro phone with snapdragon 855+ while next April there will be a lot of new snapdragon 865 phones even cheaper (redmi,realme,etc)?
Second question do both USB type c port support otg?
Thanks!
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Redmi and Realme isnt the same level as the ROGPHONE 2...
I myself have a Redmi Note 8 Pro just for macro shots. The rest is done on my ROGPHONE 2.

HermesHidayat said:
Redmi and Realme isnt the same level as the ROGPHONE 2...
I myself have a Redmi Note 8 Pro just for macro shots. The rest is done on my ROGPHONE 2.
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Well, thank you for your answer, my only doubt about redmi and realme, also oppo, is the software. If I'll buy one of them, the redmi k30 pro is interesting, I change the software for sure, I prefer android stock roms.

it's worth it if you buy tencent version and flash international software. you can get it for as low as 450 euros.

Guybrush.d said:
Hi everybody, I'm selling my Zenfone 6z to buy a new phone i love the rog phone 2 also if it has not a SD slot (I use SD to keep documents when I change phone). My question is: is it worth to buy a 899 Euro phone with snapdragon 855+ while next April there will be a lot of new snapdragon 865 phones even cheaper (redmi,realme,etc)?
Second question do both USB type c port support otg?
Thanks!
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As the collegue above said, is so, so worthy if you buy the 430€ tencent version (now it's around 450€ normally). It's an amazing phone for daily use. Just the camera is an 8.5/10 with A10 (better than A9), but with GCam the results are amazing enough. Buy it!! I bought it like some weeks ago

dvijetrecine said:
it's worth it if you buy tencent version and flash international software. you can get it for as low as 450 euros.
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Well, I found the tencent 12/512 at 800 euros, the global at 899 euro, but the tencent has less lte bands and here in Italy is better to get as many as you can... And for 99 Euros less I will get just 3 months warranty instead of normal 2 years...

Guybrush.d said:
Well, I found the tencent 12/512 at 800 euros, the global at 899 euro, but the tencent has less lte bands and here in Italy is better to get as many as you can... And for 99 Euros less I will get just 3 months warranty instead of normal 2 years...
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SD 865 is now the standard.
90 to 120 Hz also becoming standard.
If the heavy weight, lack of 5g, no IR blaster or SD card and average camera aren't a problem for you then this is an excellent all round phone.

All Day On XDA said:
SD 865 is now the standard.
90 to 120 Hz also becoming standard.
If the heavy weight, lack of 5g, no IR blaster or SD card and average camera aren't a problem for you then this is an excellent all round phone.
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Well 5g is not a very big problem, it will take a couple of year to work in entire Italian territory. The IR and SD are options i like, but have you any valid alternative?

I haven't really been looking for alternatives since I got this phone.
A quick search suggested the Poco X2 / Redmi K30.....mid range phone though...

All Day On XDA said:
SD 865 is now the standard.
90 to 120 Hz also becoming standard.
If the heavy weight, lack of 5g, no IR blaster or SD card and average camera aren't a problem for you then this is an excellent all round phone.
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All Day On XDA said:
I haven't really been looking for alternatives since I got this phone.
A quick search suggested the Poco X2 / Redmi K30.....mid range phone though...
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Yes, i discovered also Vivo Nex but I will not get stock Android...So at this point I think I'll go for rog 2 12/512 and I'll use GCam for camera and otg for my SD documents, maybe I can find a small otg adapter and keep it always connected to the phone. Thanks!

Guybrush.d said:
Hi everybody, I'm selling my Zenfone 6z to buy a new phone i love the rog phone 2 also if it has not a SD slot (I use SD to keep documents when I change phone). My question is: is it worth to buy a 899 Euro phone with snapdragon 855+ while next April there will be a lot of new snapdragon 865 phones even cheaper (redmi,realme,etc)?
Second question do both USB type c port support otg?
Thanks!
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I have rog 2 tencent edition 8gb ram and 128 gb I think it is perfect special with a10 ww , gcam for the camera, and I have also sandisk otg 128 gb for movies and documents , I use both usb( one for charge and the other for otg ) if I charge my phone at same time work perfect no any problems.

masl100 said:
I have rog 2 tencent edition 8gb ram and 128 gb I think it is perfect special with a10 ww , gcam for the camera, and I have also sandisk otg 128 gb for movies and documents , I use both usb( one for charge and the other for otg ) if I charge my phone at same time work perfect no any problems.
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Thanks, I'm looking for a flat cable microsd to USB type C to keep the memory always connected. I found something similar for arduino, but if I find the correct one I'll be very happy.

If you found something tell us , thanks

I think I found something on ebay https://www.ebay.com/itm/123175433404
I believe it will help ?

Guybrush.d said:
Well, I found the tencent 12/512 at 800 euros, the global at 899 euro, but the tencent has less lte bands and here in Italy is better to get as many as you can... And for 99 Euros less I will get just 3 months warranty instead of normal 2 years...
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just checked on kimovil.com and yes, tencent version supports 3 out of five lte bands in italy.
i still use honor note 10, which is china only version and i never had any problems with network coverage or call quality. also supports 3/5 lte bands.

masl100 said:
I think I found something on ebay https://www.ebay.com/itm/123175433404
I believe it will help
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Well, thanks but I'm looking for something to keep "fixed" the n the phone without ruin the comfort...I've ordered the cable and the slots, I will weld it and post the results...

Question is this phone still the best bang for the buck in 2022

Is this still the best bang for the buck phone in 2022? custom ROMs still working good? issues ironed out? ShOuLd I bUy ThIs OvER a SaMmY pHoNe LiKe a A52?!?!??!

There is no manufacturer which I'd recommend without hesitation. Android is in a horrible state after the manufacturers modified it. For Xiaomi this is crippled Always-on-display, disabled Smart Unlock (Bluetooth) etc. Many restrictions for marketing purposes. MIUI is developed without understanding how the memory on Linux shall be managed: You keep everything in memory until someone wants it, so application switching is fast. The installed bloatware is ok, could uninstall it and thanks to DNS66 never saw an ad.
Samsung in my opinion is even worse than Xiaomi. If I buy a phone, it is my device. I want to be able to see all files on it and do a backup. But opening the bootloader Knox gets triggered. They modify big parts of Android for their UI, that's why updates cost them much effort to adopt their changes to new versions. More effort for Samsung, more bugs, worse experience for the user.
If you want a good Android experience, you probably should have a look at Google pixel phones. But bang for the buck is difficult here.
In summary given the choices I'd say the Xiaomi is fine. You could consider the Xiaomi 11 Lite 5G NE if you don't need dual SIM and additional SD card, because 5G will replace 4G one day.

Imho yes but only when you use custom kernel and rom. If you stick with stock ones especially Miui 13 it really sucks, Miui is too resource heavy for 732g SOC. For example when driving I like to listen to spotify in the background and use google maps even though these tasks are fairly lightweight this phone with Miui 13 struggles to run them without stutters and freezes. If you're okay with running stock android like rom, that is when the SOC shines. It runs much more apps than spotify and maps no problem real fluid.

tag68 said:
There is no manufacturer which I'd recommend without hesitation. Android is in a horrible state after the manufacturers modified it. For Xiaomi this is crippled Always-on-display, disabled Smart Unlock (Bluetooth) etc. Many restrictions for marketing purposes. MIUI is developed without understanding how the memory on Linux shall be managed: You keep everything in memory until someone wants it, so application switching is fast. The installed bloatware is ok, could uninstall it and thanks to DNS66 never saw an ad.
Samsung in my opinion is even worse than Xiaomi. If I buy a phone, it is my device. I want to be able to see all files on it and do a backup. But opening the bootloader Knox gets triggered. They modify big parts of Android for their UI, that's why updates cost them much effort to adopt their changes to new versions. More effort for Samsung, more bugs, worse experience for the user.
If you want a good Android experience, you probably should have a look at Google pixel phones. But bang for the buck is difficult here.
In summary given the choices I'd say the Xiaomi is fine. You could consider the Xiaomi 11 Lite 5G NE if you don't need dual SIM and additional SD card, because 5G will replace 4G one day.
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i'm kinda a die hard SD card and headphone jack dude - so this does limit my choices...i mean i had my galaxy note 4 for 6 years (with roms) lol and I'm just starting to get over the fact I won't be able to easily replace batteries in these new phones...ugh. thanks for your sobering input

no joke... a52 is more more better than this ridiculous note10pro... i have all tthese..
note 10 pro have miui orrible and with problems, custom roms with problems (aod, deep sleep, anx not working all).. and terrible drain... no no i have note4,note5 too but this note10 is bad..

Maybe A52s, i'm looking to sell my pristine 10 Pro and maybe get A52s.

Marvin.the.Martian said:
Maybe A52s, i'm looking to sell my pristine 10 Pro and maybe get A52s.
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interesting this is exactly what i'm deciding between...you had enough of playing with roms? what's the reason for the trade?

The prices I'm seeing; the A52s is twice the price of the Note 10 Pro, so not an even comparison. I just ordered a Note 10 Pro for $200.

In my country Note 10 pro is around $350 brand new in stores for 128GB, and A52s is about 20-30 bucks more.
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The prices I'm seeing; the A52s is twice the price of the Note 10 Pro, so not an even comparison. I just ordered a Note 10 Pro for $200.
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1q3er5 said:
interesting this is exactly what i'm deciding between...you had enough of playing with roms? what's the reason for the trade?
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I like OneUI a bit better, however Redmi has a better build quality and better camera.

Marvin.the.Martian said:
In my country Note 10 pro is around $350 brand new in stores for 128GB, and A52s is about 20-30 bucks more.
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Interesting. The 6/64 I ordered is shipped from China, though, not in the store. Still, that's a huge markup.

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Interesting. The 6/64 I ordered is shipped from China, though, not in the store. Still, that's a huge markup.
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Everything is more expensive in EU.

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The prices I'm seeing; the A52s is twice the price of the Note 10 Pro, so not an even comparison. I just ordered a Note 10 Pro for $200.
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i found at same prime when buyed.. 260 euro for note 5 pro, 280 for a52

Note 10 Pro has proven to be still better that the next gen, freshly released Note 11 Pro. Easy to repair because screens are on the 120 bucks mark while the back cover is solid plastic, very nice to see and touch and won't break if you pry it for a battery change. Also the silicon cover is great from preventing fall damage.
After debloating its very balanced on any task, but don't expect flagship peak performance by any means yet battery lasts a lot (on short usage sessions it lasted me 3 days without charging, 1,5-2 with continuous/intense usage). Imho, after years going Samsung-only I had enough with Knox nonsense, increasing sales pricing and hard-to-repair phones.

According to the specs, the back cover of the Note 10 pro is gorilla glass 5, not plastic.
The Note 11 pro review I saw at gsmarena would suggest that the Note 11 pro is mostly a downgrade from the Note 10 pro, except for the 5g bands.
Edit to add: There's a 4g and a 5g version for it.

Yes, still the best in this price range of ~230 USD.
Samsung A52 costs 390 USD lol, not even comparable here

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According to the specs, the back cover of the Note 10 pro is gorilla glass 5, not plastic.
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Yeah but 5G isn't available anywhere, plus the more users move into new cell tech the more smooth the 4G is going to be. Would not consider unless you're into high speed hype.
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According to the specs, the back cover of the Note 10 pro is gorilla glass 5, not plastic.
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Realization just struck me. I have the Glacial Blue version that, along with Vintage Bronze are in fact frosted glass while there's not much about the black version which seems to be more common here. I got blinded by disassembly videos where non-Pro versions were considered the same thing as for Pro, so I just made a mistake. Guess I will eventually challenge myself to remove it in future whenever necessary, such as a battery change. They still look pretty simple and solid to remove and the glass lens vessel is separate tho (right, Apple?). Thanks for pointing out!

Yes, personally I don't care for 5g. 4g LTE is fine. One thing that both of the Note 11 Pro models (4g & 5g) have are increased 4g bands, too, that make them more compatible in the U.S. (bands 12 & 66). If 5g or those additional 4g bands matter to someone, those are improvements/features to consider.
I also saw replacement backs for the Note 10 pro, for around $5, and watched a video that made it look easy to change. Hopefully never have to do that.

aleMarvel said:
no joke... a52 is more more better than this ridiculous note10pro... i have all tthese..
note 10 pro have miui orrible and with problems, custom roms with problems (aod, deep sleep, anx not working all).. and terrible drain... no no i have note4,note5 too but this note10 is bad..
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I have no problems with ANX, deep sleep, battery drain, etc. on my RN10P running the Project Sakura ROM. It's cool to prefer one phone over another, but spreading misinformation doesn't help anyone.

Development for this phone really isn't in a good place.
If you look at the latest posts on each of the ROMs, there's either big issues with heavy battery drain, touch issues or microphone problems.
Sad times