Why dont we all gather , and file a complaint against samsung for intentionally clocking down and throttling the exynos 2100 against the sd888 even when exynos 2100 this year is capable , comparable to sd888 and moreover both are manufactured by samsung?
Samsung is again giving us an inferior experience in other markets vs US while charging similar / More
Lets complaint on twitter by tagging @samsungexynos and also on samsung members app ,
If you have any other alternative please comment down.
These 2 videos are the proof .
I disagree.
It'll be another 1-2 years before the Exynos can catch up to the SnapDragon.
The SD888 is more or less, IMO, comparable to the A14. It took a while for Qualcomm to catch-up.
In another 2 years, I expect the Exynos, SnapDragon, and A series to be more or less comparable.
Then, the game will heat-up in the laptop/mini-PC/server space.
You'll have to wait.
I can say that all those speed tests are meaningless.
I have Exynos and I am satisfied with everything so far.
Yes this year Exynos is not the same as SD888 but it is not behind by much compared to last year competition between exynos and sd and next year will be a gamechanger for Exynos since it is getting AMD gpu and improvements.
We all knew even before we bought the phone which processor it came with, in which country. Samsung did not say they were selling the SD888 in my country and then hand me an Exynos.
Also, nobody put a gun to my head and asked me to buy the phone. It's an open market and there are a hundred options available.
Exynos performance is not some breaking news that we just found out. We have seen Exynos processors for years on other phones, including last year's S20 series and know perfectly well what they are capable of and what the limitations are.
Despite all the above, if you still went ahead and bought the phone, it's on you. You knew perfectly well what you were buying. OnePlus 9 Pro was also available with the SD888 globally. You don't buy a phone only for it's processor. There is a lot more that goes into making a phone.
Personally I think the S21U (I have the Exynos) is the best phone I've ever used. Spent a week researching it before i bought it, used it in the showroom multiple times before dropping this kind of money and despite all the YouTube comparisons, decided I liked it more than the other available options and bought it. And I don't regret it.
Monopoly is bad in any industry and I'm glad there is another manufacturer challenging the dangerous dominance of Qualcomm in the Android arena. Exynos 2100 may not yet overcome the SD888 in terms of raw power, but it has narrowed the gap more than it has ever been. And it runs much cooler than the SD version, plus has significantly lower standby battery drain.
I'm not a Samsung fanboy, I dropped them and shifted to the iPhone and OnePlus after the Note 3 when their software was getting crappier with every update. Returned back only after I was convinced that OnePlus was on a downfall and Samsung software had improved over the years, and also that the E2100 was worth my money.
If you think Samsung is selling a "bad" processor in your country, speak with your wallet and don't buy it. Simple.
There's no point getting angry and ranting after buying the phone, knowing very well what you were getting.
Why do you think Samsung or any other company will change anything if you keep giving it money despite disagreeing with its policies?
Rants don't change a company's practices, the balance sheet does. For the next few years, don't buy Exynos. If enough people agree with you and do the same, and make a big enough dent on Samsung's profits, maybe they'll listen.
Otherwise all this petitioning business has been done countless times before and is a meaningless waste of time.
The exynos story is over exaggerated. I owned albeit previous gen tech a note 20 ultra in both exynos and snapdragon. They were both fine battery life and temp wise. Alas I didn’t game though.
Never judged much on speed tests on the internet. Real world usage is far more important
enigmaamit said:
We all knew even before we bought the phone which processor it came with, in which country. Samsung did not say they were selling the SD888 in my country and then hand me an Exynos.
Also, nobody put a gun to my head and asked me to buy the phone. It's an open market and there are a hundred options available.
Exynos performance is not some breaking news that we just found out. We have seen Exynos processors for years on other phones, including last year's S20 series and know perfectly well what they are capable of and what the limitations are.
Despite all the above, if you still went ahead and bought the phone, it's on you. You knew perfectly well what you were buying. OnePlus 9 Pro was also available with the SD888 globally. You don't buy a phone only for it's processor. There is a lot more that goes into making a phone.
Personally I think the S21U (I have the Exynos) is the best phone I've ever used. Spent a week researching it before i bought it, used it in the showroom multiple times before dropping this kind of money and despite all the YouTube comparisons, decided I liked it more than the other available options and bought it. And I don't regret it.
Monopoly is bad in any industry and I'm glad there is another manufacturer challenging the dangerous dominance of Qualcomm in the Android arena. Exynos 2100 may not yet overcome the SD888 in terms of raw power, but it has narrowed the gap more than it has ever been. And it runs much cooler than the SD version, plus has significantly lower standby battery drain.
I'm not a Samsung fanboy, I dropped them and shifted to the iPhone and OnePlus after the Note 3 when their software was getting crappier with every update. Returned back only after I was convinced that OnePlus was on a downfall and Samsung software had improved over the years, and also that the E2100 was worth my money.
If you think Samsung is selling a "bad" processor in your country, speak with your wallet and don't buy it. Simple.
There's no point getting angry and ranting after buying the phone, knowing very well what you were getting.
Why do you think Samsung or any other company will change anything if you keep giving it money despite disagreeing with its policies?
Rants don't change a company's practices, the balance sheet does. For the next few years, don't buy Exynos. If enough people agree with you and do the same, and make a big enough dent on Samsung's profits, maybe they'll listen.
Otherwise all this petitioning business has been done countless times before and is a meaningless waste of time.
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Well you might be correct at what u are saying .
My point is , this time exynos and sd888 are both manufactured by samsung using the same process and same cores.
Its just the calibration of cpu thats not unlocking the real power of exynos 2100.
All the tests show that exynos is continuesly throttling its cpu.
The large performance core which is supposed to be clocked at 3 ghz is always throttled to below 2.2 ghz even when the phone is cold.
Where as on sd888 the large performance core remains fully clocked at 2.9 ghz even after heating
I read a lot about the Exynos issues with the previous Samsung devices and was well aware of the possible difference between two versions of the S21 Ultra based on SD vs Exynos but in the end I got the phone anyway knowing I would get the Exynos version. So why is that Samsungs fault?
Also, I notice more heating issues are related to the SD version so maybe that is because SD is less careful and more aggressive about being the fastest. I have no heating issues and I can do everything the SD version can and as fast as I could possibly want. I do not see any performance issues using the device.
You had a choice to get the phone or get something else. It gets tiresome seeing posts "I bought this phone and I don't like X,Y and Z about it", nobody forced you to buy it.
And Youtube is not the source of scientific studies into processor performance you think it is, there are videos that show the Exynos is faster which invalidates the basis of your claim.
What I would prefer to rant about is that you cannot get a dual SIM S21 series in the US unless you import one from Europe etc (Exynos) or from Taiwan/Hong Kong (Snapdragon). I had to buy my Ultra from Amazon Germany and I love it so far. It also has a working eSIM which I have already used when travelling to avoid having to get a local SIM. That also meant I lost out on all the Samsung discounts on part exchange in the US.
And, of course, there is no international warranty with my phone.
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Just read it.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12520/the-galaxy-s9-review/5
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12520/the-galaxy-s9-review/8
I really hope Samsung fixes this "issues".
It sucks. Hard.
What is the problems with the exynos processor this year?
You think software issue or harware issue?
Whats wrong with Exynos cpu. Well it is the tortoise and the hare.
Intel speed shift it is not.
htcplussony said:
Whats wrong with Exynos cpu. Well it is the tortoise and the hare.
Intel speed shift it is not.
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Exynos 9810 seems to be another 5410: made to impress in synthetic benchmarks, and stop at nothing to achieve that.
I will take this review with a grain of salt....agreed most reviewers don't go so deep and basically review their devices after a week of daily usage....but still if the problems were so deep..it would have been reported.
Like i said in the comments there, i believe most of the deductions from that test will not impact your day to day life. Information is great, but one must know when you need a "summary" and when a "thesis"
I am still buying this beauty next month and i am sure i would be satisfied.
Ive heard reviewers say and show on video the exynos having better battery life and a faster processor. Who to believe? I returned my snapdragon for an exynos because my SD got such horrible battery life. Just got the exynos so we will see. At least it can have root.
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I will take this review with a grain of salt....agreed most reviewers don't go so deep and basically review their devices after a week of daily usage....but still if the problems were so deep..it would have been reported.
Like i said in the comments there, i believe most of the deductions from that test will not impact your day to day life. Information is great, but one must know when you need a "summary" and when a "thesis"
I am still buying this beauty next month and i am sure i would be satisfied.
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Grain of salt? Did you even read the review?!
Sure, Exynos this year will still feel smooth, just like it did last year; but there is no denying to the fact that Samsung is still not up in its game when it comes to GPU efficiency. Samsung will still need to tune the scheduler on this Exynos (if not already tuned with March update). And unlike those most phone reviews out there, Anandtech folks actually go back and update their reviews after substantial changes that manufacture might have made (AT also reports those suggestions to OEMs when they review).
Anandtech is one of the few tech sites remaining that review hardware like how hardware should be reviewed.
Do not dismiss such hard work just for the sake of sounding edgy on the internet.
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I will take this review with a grain of salt....agreed most reviewers don't go so deep and basically review their devices after a week of daily usage....but still if the problems were so deep..it would have been reported.
Like i said in the comments there, i believe most of the deductions from that test will not impact your day to day life. Information is great, but one must know when you need a "summary" and when a "thesis"
I am still buying this beauty next month and i am sure i would be satisfied.
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I had the s9 for 10 days, sold it because I got much worse battery life than on my nearly one year old s8 and there were nearly no improvements at all. I only noticed these 3:
1. fp reader, better placement and much more accurate.
2. Sound from speakers which i never use, much better.
3. dual-sim.
In the end i felt that selling the s8 for 400 dollars more than I would get for my s8 was definitely worth it. Very happy with that decision.
As i said , such reviews have no real benefit for me as a everyday consumer. There's nothing to say that the author hasn't done an excellent job...he has. Point is whether you need such deep analysis , when you are never going to be affected. My view is <1% will notice these things.
Secondly battery is a very subjective thing, it depends on user to user and companies generally take a month or two to fix their stuff after a new release.
So I've had the exynos s9 all day and I gotta say it's much better battery life than my snapdragon s9. Only problem is now LTE doesn't work. Ughhh.
Even with a Exynos cpu, it will has godly performance.
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madnav said:
Grain of salt? Did you even read the review?!
Sure, Exynos this year will still feel smooth, just like it did last year; but there is no denying to the fact that Samsung is still not up in its game when it comes to GPU efficiency. Samsung will still need to tune the scheduler on this Exynos (if not already tuned with March update). And unlike those most phone reviews out there, Anandtech folks actually go back and update their reviews after substantial changes that manufacture might have made (AT also reports those suggestions to OEMs when they review).
Anandtech is one of the few tech sites remaining that review hardware like how hardware should be reviewed.
Do not dismiss such hard work just for the sake of sounding edgy on the internet.
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Yes it's in depth but not always how it really is.
Look at his benchmark charts and realize that SD835 is almost every benchmark faster than Exynos 8895 and 9810. Well, we all know it's not the case in real life.
Apple's A11 is fastest soc in every benchmark but in real world iPhone 8 is nowhere faster than Android flagships depending on sort of apps you use.
Never trust benchmarks only. User experience is more important.
garret1976 said:
Yes it's in depth but not always how it really is.
Look at his benchmark charts and realize that SD835 is almost every benchmark faster than Exynos 8895 and 9810. Well, we all know it's not the case in real life.
Apple's A11 is fastest soc in every benchmark but in real world iPhone 8 is nowhere faster than Android flagships depending on sort of apps you use.
Never trust benchmarks only. User experience is more important.
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Those are not benchmarks; those are to test specific aspects of a SOC.
SD835 does still beat Exynos 8895 and 9810 when it comes to GPU intensive tasks; that is to credit QComm's exceptionally mature Adreno architecture.
SD835 will continue to beat these 2 CPU's when it comes to performance per Watt due to that.
SD810 was a failure, SD820 managed to narrow the GAP with E8890, and SD835 more or less went head to head with E8895.
Sure, synthetic benchmarks still favoured Exynos year after year, but the reality has not been that clear due to Samsung's DVFS being a year late compared to QComm. Those things might not be relevant to how a device performs (due to difference in choice of system variables and tuning); but they are very much relevant to judging how those SOC were designed and implemented. That is what the point of those tests are (over AnandTech and for their usual style of reviewing stuff).
You can check speedtests on ytube for SD845 vs E9810 and decide for yourself (speed tests are usually dumb across different devices but you can make some relevance when it comes to same device with different chips).
One such example:
AnandTech has published a testing article here for those of you who have been following this discussion and/or interested in improvements that Samsung and/or developers can bring to Exynos S9/S9+ via kernel modifications.
Improving The Exynos 9810 Galaxy S9: Part 1
Interesting read.
TL/DR:
Today’s results are just meant as a quick preview of the Exynos S9’s behaviour when removing what I believed the most offending parts of Samsung’s mechanisms. The results are very promising as we are essentially getting real-world performance boosts while at the same time seeing efficiency improvements and battery life improvements.
There is still a lot to be done - I haven’t really touched the scheduler or DVFS scaling logic, but I’m confident that it’s possible to improve things further. It’s unlikely that we’ll end up matching the Snapdragon 845 variant in battery life, as there are efficiency curve considerations at lower performance points that simply cannot be changed through software. But closing the gap as much as possible seems to be an attainable short-term goal.
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Now Samsung chimed in on the issue
https://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-addresses-battery-issues-exynos-powered-galaxy-s9
I'm extremely intrigued but also confused at the same level. I ordered a regular S9 Dual-SIM after reading reviews and reports that told me it was a great device and a nice upgrade from my S7 Edge. Then I cancelled my order because I read that a lot of people with the Exynos variant have battery related issues. Then I kept reading and noticed most of these reports where from devices just a couple hours or days old. The more recent reviews seem to show a different picture. While still a mixed bag, battery performance seems to be much less of an issue in more recent reports. For some it's even better than their previous devices. The reviews/reports who seem to praise the performance (battery) the most include almost exclusively people who compare it to the S6 (Edge), S7 (Edge). So, I placed my order again for a Coral Blue S9 Dual-SIM. Don't care for the Dual-SIM but somehow it's the only variant available in Germany. Whatever.
This is by no means an accurate analysis of the current or past situation. It's my experience. It's not representative in any form or function.
nitrous² said:
I'm extremely intrigued but also confused at the same level. I ordered a regular S9 Dual-SIM after reading reviews and reports that told me it was a great device and a nice upgrade from my S7 Edge. Then I cancelled my order because I read that a lot of people with the Exynos variant have battery related issues. Then I kept reading and noticed most of these reports where from devices just a couple hours or days old. The more recent reviews seem to show a different picture. While still a mixed bag, battery performance seems to be much less of an issue in more recent reports. For some it's even better than their previous devices. The reviews/reports who seem to praise the performance (battery) the most include almost exclusively people who compare it to the S6 (Edge), S7 (Edge). So, I placed my order again for a Coral Blue S9 Dual-SIM. Don't care for the Dual-SIM but somehow it's the only variant available in Germany. Whatever.
This is by no means an accurate analysis of the current or past situation. It's my experience. It's not representative in any form or function.
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The upgrade will be very notable over s7 generation.
S7Edge gave me great battery (6-7hr SOT); S8 and S8+ gave me lower than that (4-5hr SOT). Now S9+ again gives me great battery (6-7hr SOT).
All of them have been Dual SIM models; and yes, I did change phone that often since I had a way to upgrading for a very small price difference.
S9+ upgrade wasn't as cheap for me, so I'll have to continue on this for a bit longer. It is an exynos S9+ from India; and performance has not been an issue so far for me.
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I had the regular s7 before and upgraded to the exynos variant s9, and it is true that battery life during the first week or two is not adequate. Battery life has improved much and overall it's still a great device compared to other devices out there. Yes, I do wish the battery capacity is larger and Samsung do further optimizations to get battery life on par with the snapdragon variant it isn't the worse and I'm able to get a full day out of it. Honestly if you can wait, wait for the s10. The new 7nm chips and rumored higher battery capacity should make a killer device. But you can't go wrong with the s9 believe me. Other devices out there are flawed one way or another and the touchwiz experience is honestly approaching perfection, yes it was terrible years back but now it's way better than stock android in my opinion.
In the screenshot below, the power saving mode only has decreased 10% screen brightness only. No other altered settings.
stevenl23 said:
I had the regular s7 before and upgraded to the exynos variant s9, and it is true that battery life during the first week or two is not adequate. Battery life has improved much and overall it's still a great device compared to other devices out there. Yes, I do wish the battery capacity is larger and Samsung do further optimizations to get battery life on par with the snapdragon variant it isn't the worse and I'm able to get a full day out of it. Honestly if you can wait, wait for the s10. The new 7nm chips and rumored higher battery capacity should make a killer device. But you can't go wrong with the s9 believe me. Other devices out there are flawed one way or another and the touchwiz experience is honestly approaching perfection, yes it was terrible years back but now it's way better than stock android in my opinion.
In the screenshot below, the power saving mode only has decreased 10% screen brightness only. No other altered settings.
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This is what I'm talking about.
Battery tests, even in-depth semi-scientific analyses are all over the place and inconclusive. It is true that battery life is very user dependant but there should be a common theme all across the board. However, I don't see anything like that. I can't dealt with this for 2 years. I cancelled my order and will wait for a better deal on the S9+.
So , it seems , my reaction to the anandtech review was spot-on. S9 , irrespective of the cpu variants, is still a great device and we must not confuse ourselves with too much information where none is reqd.
God willing, I should be getting my hands on the s9 in early May.
The early reviews seem to be mixed. Has anyone managed to source two together to give a verdict what is the latest and greatest amongst the two in all aspects not just performance.
CPU seems similar, GPU better on the SD. Exynos won't be similar on GPU until it gets AMD GPU next year.
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CPU seems similar, GPU better on the SD. Exynos won't be similar on GPU until it gets AMD GPU next year.
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Once it gets the AMD GPU it will destroy the Snapdragon and possibly finally level up with the Apple. Maybe not CPU wise, but definitely on the GPU front against Apple.
Edit. Wrong thread. Apologies.
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This man is not accurate because the test he ran only on one device by his own and he let another person to perform same test on that person's device then he compared both even though the one with Exynos 2100 was set to QHD and the one with SD888 was set to FHD only!! I mean this could impact the tests negatively!! The test conditions should be exactly the same!!
Listen to this guy, he is from HK and he've got the Snapdragon 888, in this video at 3:38 he mention that he don't understand how the american youtubers claims a 1.5 day battery life while his own experience in much less than that (almost half of that) .. so many youtubers unfortunately lies about the battery life and obviously this fool people who buys that device with Snapdragon 888, many of them put the phone only on Wi-Fi and not on cellular, it's not good and not nice when they claim something which is so badly incorrect. Note that BEN from the video below is using the phone with a SIM card, not with wi-fi only!
Review for SD888
nightoooo said:
This man is not accurate because the test he ran only on one device by his own and he let another person to perform same test on that person's device then he compared both even though the one with Exynos 2100 was set to QHD and the one with SD888 was set to FHD only!! I mean this could impact the tests negatively!! The test conditions should be exactly the same!!
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Where is the source for your info?
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Where is the source for your info?
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So in all fairness, I did go back and look at the speed test video he did between the two and noticed a few things
Looks like different people kicking off the tests (based on the table they are on and skin colour).
SD is in aeroplane mode and Exynos is connected to cellular but no wifi/mobile data.
Resolutions are very slightly different, but both look like they are in FHD, but the SD has a slightly lower resolution as the navigation bar is different and makes the screen slightly smaller. QHD makes a minimal difference to battery life unless you're doing something GPU intensive.
In all fairness, I've seen mixed reviews of both chips, but no idea how people are setting up their phones (always do a clean install!!!). Have to wait and see how it performs when the phone arrives.
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So in all fairness, I did go back and look at the speed test video he did between the two and noticed a few things
Looks like different people kicking off the tests (based on the table they are on and skin colour).
SD is in aeroplane mode and Exynos is connected to cellular but no wifi/mobile data.
Resolutions are very slightly different, but both look like they are in FHD, but the SD has a slightly lower resolution as the navigation bar is different and makes the screen slightly smaller. QHD makes a minimal difference to battery life unless you're doing something GPU intensive.
In all fairness, I've seen mixed reviews of both chips, but no idea how people are setting up their phones (always do a clean install!!!). Have to wait and see how it performs when the phone arrives.
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Have you gone for snapdragon or exynos. I am on the fence for buying either and can't decide. Not enough reliable info but if its anything like last year then I would rather import 888 into the UK.
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Have you gone for snapdragon or exynos. I am on the fence for buying either and can't decide. Not enough reliable info but if its anything like last year then I would rather import 888 into the UK.
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I pre-ordered the Exynos, trade in deal for my s10+ was good and I was in the market for some earbuds anyway.
I won't send my current phone in until I'm happy, 28 days should be enough to determine if the Ultra is worth keeping or not. (although won't get much of a chance to test out and about!).
I have considered SDs in the past, just a bit concerned about replacing it via insurance if it gets damaged (have to take it to a Samsung store). Seems like this year the SD isn't worth the hassle unless you constantly play demanding games which I don't. I would wait for the AMD S22, but I'm too impatient/tech whore sooooo couldn't wait.
The problem for me is trying to avoid Chinese phones (for ethical reasons), doesn't leave much choice!
mtm1401 said:
So in all fairness, I did go back and look at the speed test video he did between the two and noticed a few things
Looks like different people kicking off the tests (based on the table they are on and skin colour).
SD is in aeroplane mode and Exynos is connected to cellular but no wifi/mobile data.
Resolutions are very slightly different, but both look like they are in FHD, but the SD has a slightly lower resolution as the navigation bar is different and makes the screen slightly smaller. QHD makes a minimal difference to battery life unless you're doing something GPU intensive.
In all fairness, I've seen mixed reviews of both chips, but no idea how people are setting up their phones (always do a clean install!!!). Have to wait and see how it performs when the phone arrives.
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Thanks a lot of sparing me time to get the info again, obviously the differences are there and i get so sick of people claiming they are doing something huge while they just needs to get more publicity than giving the pure truth to everyone!!
For my opinion, i will not accept any of the videos to let me purchase or not the S21 Ultra, because they always run the phone in "lab" conditions, not real conditions that could affect the whole experience!
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Have you gone for snapdragon or exynos. I am on the fence for buying either and can't decide. Not enough reliable info but if its anything like last year then I would rather import 888 into the UK.
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I was in the same seat of you, not sure to get the Exynos 2100 in Sweden or i go for SD888 from HK. I have today S20 Ultra Snapdragon model and very happy with its performance & battery life but not the camera with the auto-focus issues and also for the macro pictures. So i was looking at all tests, feedbacks, reviews, i am now more sure that Exynos 2100 is for me this time because of the battery life and also the good performance, i know the GPU is weaker but for my part, battery life is more important, so with SD888 and its bad battery life there is no reason to buy it, i don't play games with my phones so i will be fine with Exynos 2100!
BTW, the Exynos 2100 gives me what i need, from full support for 5G network as my carrier has kicked off here in Sweden unlike the SD888 which lacks the important Band 40 and 42! Also the SD888 lacks the eSIM functionality!
nightoooo said:
I was in the same seat of you, not sure to get the Exynos 2100 in Sweden or i go for SD888 from HK. I have today S20 Ultra Snapdragon model and very happy with its performance & battery life but not the camera with the auto-focus issues and also for the macro pictures. So i was looking at all tests, feedbacks, reviews, i am now sure that Exynos 2100 is for me this time because of the battery life and also the good performance, i know the GPU is weaker but for my part battery life is more important, so with SD888 and bad battery time, there is no reason for me to buy it, i don't play games with my phones so i will be fine with Exynos 2100 for now.
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I have been watching Gary's videos as well. Its a close call this time and I don't play games on the phone. Leaning towards exynos due to warranty and not having to import plus buds and tag as freebies etc. Just conscious of what happened last year and the difference was huge. Also samsung is not selling mmwave snapdragon or exynos outside of the US which is mean as mmwave is only a year or two away from landing in Europe. Why not treat all of its customers equally! I think with the recent history snapdragon had a novelty factor to it but others are catching up. Let's hope snapdragon doesn't become intel of mobile world.
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Thanks a lot of sparing me time to get the info again, obviously the differences are there and i get so sick of people claiming they are doing something huge while they just needs to get more publicity than giving the pure truth to everyone!!
For my opinion, i will not accept any of the videos to let me purchase or not the S21 Ultra, because they always run the phone in "lab" conditions, not real conditions that could affect the whole experience!
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Yea it's not exactly like for like but can't imagine it makes loads of difference. I'm also more fussed about battery life, so will test it once I get it and see how it goes, battery life is just so dependent on personal usage, although I will say Phonebuff do a better job of testing, i.e. standby times and such, which gives a better idea of relative performance.
Andrei from Anandtech does really good reviews as well, but so in-depth that they don't usually release in time for pre-order
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I have been watching Gary's videos as well. Its a close call this time and I don't play games on the phone. Leaning towards exynos due to warranty and not having to import plus buds and tag as freebies etc. Just conscious of what happened last year and the difference was huge. Also samsung is not selling mmwave snapdragon or exynos outside of the US which is mean as mmwave is only a year or two away from landing in Europe. Why not treat all of its customers equally! I think with the recent history snapdragon had a novelty factor to it but others are catching up. Let's hope snapdragon doesn't become intel of mobile world.
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Yes, for sure you are getting 2 years warranty with Exynos 2100 in UK (i think) because we get that in Sweden too, additionally you are getting the pre booking freebies (Galaxy Buds Pro + Smart Tag), then you don't need to compare Exynos 2100 with the extremely bad Exynos 990 because the CPU is exactly the same as in SD888.
Regarding the MMwave, i don't care about it right now as it is not implemented yet in the networks here in Sweden, but i do have full 5G support for the rest of the bands which give me an advantage when the 4G is fully loaded.
I think Snapdragon will not be the intel of mobile world because Samsung is getting AMD help and involvement in the coming products, this will change the game!
This e sim is really important as you can add profiles without the need for physical sims. I had double checked this with HK version and it does not seem to be on the spec sheet. Yes band 40 will be gold once o2 pull their finger out in the UK for 5g. I think the decision is made for me that its going to be exynos for me plus also get samsung pay to work which is really handy for store cards. I'm using s9+ now and I don't know how uncomfortable the size of s21 ultra will be!
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So in all fairness, I did go back and look at the speed test video he did between the two and noticed a few things
Looks like different people kicking off the tests (based on the table they are on and skin colour).
SD is in aeroplane mode and Exynos is connected to cellular but no wifi/mobile data.
Resolutions are very slightly different, but both look like they are in FHD, but the SD has a slightly lower resolution as the navigation bar is different and makes the screen slightly smaller. QHD makes a minimal difference to battery life unless you're doing something GPU intensive.
In all fairness, I've seen mixed reviews of both chips, but no idea how people are setting up their phones (always do a clean install!!!). Have to wait and see how it performs when the phone arrives.
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What would you consider a clean install? Can you import settings from your samsung profile? I generally don't transfer with the USB, but I download all my apps after the phone is booted up from the original install. Only after the phone boots up and finishes the setup do I get the apps from the play store.
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What would you consider a clean install? Can you import settings from your samsung profile? I generally don't transfer with the USB, but I download all my apps after the phone is booted up from the original install. Only after the phone boots up and finishes the setup do I get the apps from the play store.
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I would start fresh, download apps manually, most have a cloud back up that they use themselves to restore once they are installed. From a settings perspective I'd do that all again fresh and let the system determine sleeping applications etc.
Basically avoid smart switch!
Tbh it's a good sort of audit process to work out which apps you have that you don't even use anymore
I don't think I was prepared for quite how big this phone is dwarfs my s10+ in size and weight
i currently own an S21 Ultra Exynos 2100 barly can reach 535k in antutu and poor score on pc mark and others and overall performance even if you freeze the phone and tried factory reset and it tried it all ... even battery life seems weak video play back barly six hours whatsapp calls drain it like its furmark on pc something is messed up with my unit and i dont wanna go through warranty here cuz ill be without a phone for several months and new ones will be out and in the end they will say its not covered so should i just pay difference import snapdragon 888 sell my unit and upgrade considering camera upgrades ai score upgrades etc and all other benefits to gpu boost ?
thoughts ?
live in middle Beirut warranty is just a word nothing is guaranteed everyone will try to rip you off basically
hope this isn't repeated but feel its a unique case considering the conditions and geolocation
What is your current build number?
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i currently own an S21 Ultra Exynos 2100 barly can reach 535k in antutu and poor score on pc mark and others and overall performance even if you freeze the phone and tried factory reset and it tried it all ... even battery life seems weak video play back barly six hours whatsapp calls drain it like its furmark on pc something is messed up with my unit and i dont wanna go through warranty here cuz ill be without a phone for several months and new ones will be out and in the end they will say its not covered so should i just pay difference import snapdragon 888 sell my unit and upgrade considering camera upgrades ai score upgrades etc and all other benefits to gpu boost ?
thoughts ?
live in middle Beirut warranty is just a word nothing is guaranteed everyone will try to rip you off basically
hope this isn't repeated but feel its a unique case considering the conditions and geolocation
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If you can return it do it and get 888, if you can't return it's not worth to sell and lose more money just to get another version, the phone is already too expensive
Probably not as much the cpu as crap running in the background robbing battery life.
This is true on the Snapdragon variants as well.
Android Q sucks due scope storage robbing cpu cycles/battery and more restrictions on 3rd party apps making diagnostics harder than with Pie.
My AT&T Note 10+ was a battery hog until I toned it down. It was time consuming to do but today it runs very well.
If I had to replace it today I go with another 10+ running on Pie. A vote of no confidence in Q/11 as well as Samsung's lack of newer/substantially better flagship phones.
2 dropped balls don't win any prizes only scorn...
blackhawk said:
Probably not as much the cpu as crap running in the background robbing battery life.
This is true on the Snapdragon variants as well.
Android Q sucks due scope storage robbing cpu cycles/battery and more restrictions on 3rd party apps making diagnostics harder than with Pie.
My AT&T Note 10+ was a battery hog until I toned it down. It was time consuming to do but today it runs very well.
If I had to replace it today I go with another 10+ running on Pie. A vote of no confidence in Q/11 as well as Samsung's lack of newer/substantially better flagship phones.
2 dropped balls don't win any prizes only scorn...
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What did you tone down?
I know there are already a few threads for the same discussion ,
But I am making this thread for a healthy discussion on what's better between Snapdragon 888 and Exynos 2100 after the latest software updates for both models .
There are youtube reviews that are contradictory to each other
1) Mrwhosetheboss says Snapdragon is way better and Exynos is heating like crazy.
Also in camera sd>exynos
2) The tech chap on the other hand says Exynos to be faster and cooler .
Let's discuss
I am planning to buy the s21 ultra over the OnePlus 9 pro just because I am getting it at the same price as OnePlus 9 pro ,
Also the software on OnePlus is always going to be buggy and an update to fix one issue will create more bugs .
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I know there are already a few threads for the same discussion ,
But I am making this thread for a healthy discussion on what's better between Snapdragon 888 and Exynos 2100 after the latest software updates for both models .
There are youtube reviews that are contradictory to each other
1) Mrwhosetheboss says Snapdragon is way better and Exynos is heating like crazy.
Also in camera sd>exynos
2) The tech chap on the other hand says Exynos to be faster and cooler .
Let's discuss
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After my experience with the Exynos, I'm far more inclined to believe the Tech Chap. I've had no issues with thermal throttling, and my phone sits most of the time at between 28 and 32 degrees when being used under normal circumstances (browsing, light camera use etc). I've also run the benchmarks he ran and got pretty much the same results. I'm very happy with it.
I strongly suspect that boss geezer just had bad luck and picked up an Exynos model with a bad SOC. The difference between the two is he didn't buy another to rule that out.
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After my experience with the Exynos, I'm far more inclined to believe the Tech Chap. I've had no issues with thermal throttling, and my phone sits most of the time at between 28 and 32 degrees when being used under normal circumstances (browsing, light camera use etc). I've also run the benchmarks he ran and got pretty much the same results. I'm very happy with it.
I strongly suspect that boss geezer just had bad luck and picked up an Exynos model with a bad SOC. The difference between the two is he didn't buy another to rule that out.
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What's the ambient temperature in your area?
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What's the ambient temperature in your area?
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Like both Youtubers in this thread, I'm in England so it's not hot at the moment.
Ambient temp makes a difference, but my experience of mobile phones in the UK over the last 25+ years, not massively so.
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Like both Youtubers in this thread, I'm in England so it's not hot at the moment.
Ambient temp makes a difference, but my experience of mobile phones in the UK over the last 25+ years, not massively so.
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I live in a area where the temperatures are like 40°C for like 8 months and 10°C for 4 months ..
At 40°C ambient temps even apple iphones break their sweat and throttle.
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I live in a area where the temperatures are like 40°C for like 8 months and 10°C for 4 months ..
At 40°C ambient temps even apple iphones break their sweat and throttle.
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You say even Apple iPhones but they're dogs**t when it comes to thermal dissipation, in particular the more recent ones.
All I can say is that this phone is no worse than any others I've had when it comes to thermals, and seems to be better than most of them.
After I contemplated a lot, I went for it and purchased the EXYNOS version as I live in Europe and the Snapdragon seems to be Single SIM, so no point ordering it from Amazon.
Mrwhostheboss either had a faulty unit or at the time of his video, the update he put wasn't enough to fix the software issues.
Mine works fine, no overheating (gets a bit warm when doing heavier tasks, ~22c ambient room temps), no camera problems or glitches, all seems good. The camera quality is pretty fine too, although it did definitely improve further after I installed the last update. When I tested the camera out of the box, it was all weird.
Battery life for me is quite fine as well. At the time of writing this message I got SOT 1h45m and battery is at 78%. Plenty of apps installed, Dual SIMs active. AOD active.
I also have the Dr. Ketan ROM with root, AFWall and etc. So I slightly debloated the useless stuff.
I am satisfied with the EXYNOS, and although I have no way to test them next to each other, I'm sure that If the SNAP is better in some ways, it is NOT in others, like NO DUAL SIM.... And for sure if there is anything left to fix on the EXYNOS, they will fix it with the upcoming updates.
But again, if you buy an EXYNOS, make sure you do it right. Start it, install all your apps, make sure you update it to the latest firmware version and then start testing it. If it has problems, factory reset it and return it for a new one.
Good luck!!!
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After I contemplated a lot, I went for it and purchased the EXYNOS version as I live in Europe and the Snapdragon seems to be Single SIM, so no point ordering it from Amazon.
Mrwhostheboss either had a faulty unit or at the time of his video, the update he put wasn't enough to fix the software issues.
Mine works fine, no overheating (gets a bit warm when doing heavier tasks, ~22c ambient room temps), no camera problems or glitches, all seems good. The camera quality is pretty fine too, although it did definitely improve further after I installed the last update. When I tested the camera out of the box, it was all weird.
Battery life for me is quite fine as well. At the time of writing this message I got SOT 1h45m and battery is at 78%. Plenty of apps installed, Dual SIMs active. AOD active.
I also have the Dr. Ketan ROM with root, AFWall and etc. So I slightly debloated the useless stuff.
I am satisfied with the EXYNOS, and although I have no way to test them next to each other, I'm sure that If the SNAP is better in some ways, it is NOT in others, like NO DUAL SIM.... And for sure if there is anything left to fix on the EXYNOS, they will fix it with the upcoming updates.
But again, if you buy an EXYNOS, make sure you do it right. Start it, install all your apps, make sure you update it to the latest firmware version and then start testing it. If it has problems, factory reset it and return it for a new one.
Good luck!!!
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In india there is nothing as return ..
Once paid the device is yours till it has some major issues and they are just repaired ,
Unfortunately We cannot return it for a refund here in india .
That is why thinking twice before buying .
I have no overheating problems with my Exynos unit. Phone idles at around 25-30degC.
Yo bro,
Listen, avoid YouTube reviews. Bro these ppl are just benefiting from these kindda arguments and stuff.
I had the s21 ultra 512 and i sold it coz i have literally watched every single review out there and was too worried i might have been scammed or made the wrong choice.
After talking to some ppl here i bought it again and this time i made sure i cleared my search history lol and never ever to watch a thing.
It is not SD888 but it is close, it has good battery, cameras are barely any difference between them. If you game a lot you should really just buy a different phone just for gaming.
The screen is phenomenal.
Bro i live in Kuwait, temps here reach 55°....until now i have not experienced any extreme heating issues.
My advice to you, don't listen to anything, the device is amazing...yes it lacks behind the SD888 but for me it's the better pick.. i get warranty for a year and a trade on later or i can even sell it and not lose while the imported is basically non sellable here.
So weigh things out and decide, once you decide do not regret. Do not hesitate it's just a phone, if you have a slight doubt avoid it and wait for a different phone.
Goodluck.
aj7400 said:
I know there are already a few threads for the same discussion ,
But I am making this thread for a healthy discussion on what's better between Snapdragon 888 and Exynos 2100 after the latest software updates for both models .
There are youtube reviews that are contradictory to each other
1) Mrwhosetheboss says Snapdragon is way better and Exynos is heating like crazy.
Also in camera sd>exynos
2) The tech chap on the other hand says Exynos to be faster and cooler .
Let's discuss
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Camera has improved on the exynos with updates, personally I still feel low light video and photos are just ok, but anything in decent light is great, and I don't have anything other than a pixel 3 to compare to, so not a fair fight as the camera tech on that is old.
In regards to the video, mr whos the boss was using antutu for temperatures and it's well known that at that time it couldn't read exynos temps properly. When I had antutu, it showed around 40 degrees, but CPU monitor was around 25 degrees
I've got the exynos and had no real issues to date, battery life is sometimes great, sometime ok, but more than enough to do me from morning to night with my usage. Other than that can't complain at all
Should wait for the xiaomi's launch today?
mtm1401 said:
Camera has improved on the exynos with updates, personally I still feel low light video and photos are just ok, but anything in decent light is great, and I don't have anything other than a pixel 3 to compare to, so not a fair fight as the camera tech on that is old.
In regards to the video, mr whos the boss was using antutu for temperatures and it's well known that at that time it couldn't read exynos temps properly. When I had antutu, it showed around 40 degrees, but CPU monitor was around 25 degrees
I've got the exynos and had no real issues to date, battery life is sometimes great, sometime ok, but more than enough to do me from morning to night with my usage. Other than that can't complain at all
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Berserker900 said:
Yo bro,
Listen, avoid YouTube reviews. Bro these ppl are just benefiting from these kindda arguments and stuff.
I had the s21 ultra 512 and i sold it coz i have literally watched every single review out there and was too worried i might have been scammed or made the wrong choice.
After talking to some ppl here i bought it again and this time i made sure i cleared my search history lol and never ever to watch a thing.
It is not SD888 but it is close, it has good battery, cameras are barely any difference between them. If you game a lot you should really just buy a different phone just for gaming.
The screen is phenomenal.
Bro i live in Kuwait, temps here reach 55°....until now i have not experienced any extreme heating issues.
My advice to you, don't listen to anything, the device is amazing...yes it lacks behind the SD888 but for me it's the better pick.. i get warranty for a year and a trade on later or i can even sell it and not lose while the imported is basically non sellable here.
So weigh things out and decide, once you decide do not regret. Do not hesitate it's just a phone, if you have a slight doubt avoid it and wait for a different phone.
Goodluck.
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Camera has improved on the exynos with updates, personally I still feel low light video and photos are just ok, but anything in decent light is great, and I don't have anything other than a pixel 3 to compare to, so not a fair fight as the camera tech on that is old.
In regards to the video, mr whos the boss was using antutu for temperatures and it's well known that at that time it couldn't read exynos temps properly. When I had antutu, it showed around 40 degrees, but CPU monitor was around 25 degrees
I've got the exynos and had no real issues to date, battery life is sometimes great, sometime ok, but more than enough to do me from morning to night with my usage. Other than that can't complain at all
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That temp thing with Antutu makes sense, I was worried when I first got my phone as it was listing my CPU temperature in the low 50s but then I installed CPU Monitor and it showed it was around 30 degrees. Maybe MrWhosTheBoss should have done a bit more research.
It's funny reading the comments on that video. Thousands of people talking about the S21 Ultra being rubbish on Exynos without having the first clue what they're talking about. It goes to show how a badly made video can really effect how a phone is perceived.
Beefheart said:
That temp thing with Antutu makes sense, I was worried when I first got my phone as it was listing my CPU temperature in the low 50s but then I installed CPU Monitor and it showed it was around 30 degrees. Maybe MrWhosTheBoss should have done a bit more research.
It's funny reading the comments on that video. Thousands of people talking about the S21 Ultra being rubbish on Exynos without having the first clue what they're talking about. It goes to show how a badly made video can really effect how a phone is perceived.
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Exactly and there is me researching this from a week before buying it .
Also tried to stress the camera on the demo unit at a samsung store , but it was warm to touch but not at all hot ..
By the way , as OnePlus markets their 9 pro with 5 layer cooling system , how's the cooling on s21 ultra?
JerryRigEverything did a teardown, but it's the SD varient. I'm not sure if the cooling solution on Exynos differs.
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Exactly and there is me researching this from a week before buying it .
Also tried to stress the camera on the demo unit at a samsung store , but it was warm to touch but not at all hot ..
By the way , as OnePlus markets their 9 pro with 5 layer cooling system , how's the cooling on s21 ultra?
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The Samsung is much more aggressive with its thermal throttling than the mi 11 (A good thing or a bad thing depending on what you want in a phone), don't know about the oneplus or how effective it's cooling system actually is (could just be a gimmick/branding, but I don't know).
I would say from what I've seen, s21u has better battery, genuine adaptive refresh, marginally photos cameras but much more versatile camera array, better software.
Mi11 better charging and sustained gaming
Early oneplus reviews have middling battery life, but an educated guess that they haven't enabled the variable refresh yet on the pro, as it seems to last the same amount of time as the base model.
In all honesty, if you aren't sure, wait a month or so for the 'long term' reviews, then you will get a better idea of the final product
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The Samsung is much more aggressive with its thermal throttling than the mi 11 (A good thing or a bad thing depending on what you want in a phone), don't know about the oneplus or how effective it's cooling system actually is (could just be a gimmick/branding, but I don't know).
I would say from what I've seen, s21u has better battery, genuine adaptive refresh, marginally photos cameras but much more versatile camera array, better software.
Mi11 better charging and sustained gaming
Early oneplus reviews have middling battery life, but an educated guess that they haven't enabled the variable refresh yet on the pro, as it seems to last the same amount of time as the base model.
In all honesty, if you aren't sure, wait a month or so for the 'long term' reviews, then you will get a better idea of the final product
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I am getting the s21 u e2100 today .. let's hope I get a good silicon compared to what some people have got
I seriously have a feeling that both versions of the phone are nearly identical in performance and camera quality. The primary reason why we see so many threads regarding heat issues, app crash issues or battery issues are not necessarily due to the versions of the phone that are being used (Exynos or Snapdragon)... But instead, I think that this is mainly due to the fact that a lot of Samsung's phone sales are to people who aren't very tech friendly....at all...
I mean, think of Apple's iPhone market. What percentage of their customers are tech geniuses who know everything about complete device care and optimization? I'd say, near me in the US, maybe about 3-5% of their customers... And with that said, you have to keep in mind that Samsung is the most Apple equivalent company in sales numbers for Android devices in the US. So probably only about 1-2% of their phone customers actually know what the heck they're doing.
So (internally thought lol) truth be told, I don't think one variant is better than the other. I just think that we need to keep in mind the fact that the Samsung phone market is packed to the gills with customers who don't know much at all regarding the technology that's used or how it works/can be optimized or made better. Luckily for us on this particular thread, we probably don't run into the aforementioned issues as we're likely all people who actually know how to use, care for and optimize a damn smart phone lol.
Side note: this was a long comment, so my apologies.
*Edit* - To respond to @aj7400 without wasting more post space :
The US isn't really a particularly cold area. It's just a much bigger area. So there are certainly some states where the temperature stays cold for a while... But there are tons of other places where it stays over 23°C all year round (and a few states where it stays above 33°C all year). So overall, I still believe that these issues are just coming up due to a severe lack of knowledge =(. But the good thing for you is that you actually appear to know what the deal is, hence why you're here on XDA. Thanks for being here =). But ya see what I mean? You were aware of the slightly warmer temperature of the S21U and you were aware of the fact that you live in a hot area. Therefore, you're not constantly complaining about the phone being borked out of the box, but instead, you're looking for potential solutions. Kudos!
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I seriously have a feeling that both versions of the phone are nearly identical in performance and camera quality. The primary reason why we see so many threads regarding heat issues, app crash issues or battery issues are not necessarily due to the versions of the phone that are being used (Exynos or Snapdragon)... But instead, I think that this is mainly due to the fact that a lot of Samsung's phone sales are to people who aren't very tech friendly....at all...
I mean, think of Apple's iPhone market. What percentage of their customers are tech geniuses who know everything about complete device care and optimization? I'd say, near me in the US, maybe about 3-5% of their customers... And with that said, you have to keep in mind that Samsung is the most Apple equivalent company in sales numbers for Android devices in the US. So probably only about 1-2% of their phone customers actually know what the heck they're doing.
So (internally thought lol) truth be told, I don't think one variant is better than the other. I just think that we need to keep in mind the fact that the Samsung phone market is packed to the gills with customers who don't know much at all regarding the technology that's used or how it works/can be optimized or made better.
Side note: this was a long comment, so my apologies.
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That's allright ,
But imo apple is from day 1 producing good chips and their optimization is top notch ,
And samsung in US is just offering Snapdragon .
That's the main reason people are not complaining about both , and they don't care what are the specs in their phone .
Also US is a relatively cold area so not much is going around throttling issues .
I live in india where highest temps reach 45°C , where the real problem of thermal throttling arise .
So I care much about these things .
I've hoisted a number of issues regarding Samsung recently but I've finally come to realize the S21 Ultra is overall the best device at this time, for me anyway. I dropped close to the $1,400.00 USD for the 512GB variant from Hong Kong. Cost is a factor but not my biggest issue, money is only a problem when you don't have any...
I hate the fact Samsung eliminated Micro SD's since for my usage 256GB won't cut it. I likely would have opted for a US Branded device even suffering with the bloatware but the largest storage any of the Service Providers offer is 256GB. I have well over that amount on my current device and I won't consider Cloud Storage. I'm pretty sure a number of Cloud Storage Providers have already been hacked and it's just a matter of time before news of a large data breach has occurred. FYI, for those who are looking for the Ultra 512GB the supply is drying up with only a handful of vendors stocking the device, all overseas.
The other issue is the box of a camera module. It's an improvement over the S20 Ultra but it's still there. It would seem most flagship devices are struggling with the concept due to the competitive nature of adding more cameras as feature enhancements but I'm pretty sure I'll never use all of them. I have a photographer background so my first option when I want some great snaps is a dedicated camera, not my phone.
I gave some thought to acquiring the Note 20 Ultra since this model hasn't ditched the SD Card and it's HK Variant is around $400.00 less but theres a significant drop off in performance between the Notes 865 7nm and the Ultras 888 5nm SoC, plus I'd be forced to haul around the S-Pen which I would never use. I also strongly considered the Z Fold 3 but based of functionality I can't reconcile the value, just not enough features for the price. I also considered Samsung's A72. It's got a lot going for it at a third of the price but it looks like a $500.00 smartphone. Oh well!
The other options were holding out for the iPhone 14 or the Pixel 6. Even though they each have their own individual upsides from the leaks I've seen neither have compelled me to generate real interest. I've been with Galaxy devices for a number of years so I guess I'm just not ready to throw in the towel quite yet.
That pretty much sums it up, I think I've vented enough. I understand there's no such thing as a perfect smartphone so I'm hoping all of the other wonderful features this device offers helps me overlook the aforementioned issues. At least I know my wife will be happy, she'll be the proud owner of an awesome S10 Plus!
Well, there's no one perfect phone for everyone, I guess. It's just about what compromises you're willing to live with.
Welcome to the fold brother!