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There's some apps on the market that can makes phone CPU goes faster and push it to its limit, and mine is called overclock widget.
One quick question here, does this app shorten G1 CPUs life? will it harm the CPU in the long run? If so, how much the damage it could cause??
My G1 is a little bit lag, i consider to use this app, but if it shortens the CPU life, than it's not worth it and im okay with the lag.
You can't OVERclock your G1. You can only clock it to its rated frequency. The processor is rated at 528Mhz, but when it's distributed, it's set to run between 245-384. So it's UNDERclocked when you buy it.
The process is made to run at 528Mhz, so you can safely do it. It will decrease your battery life, but won't hard your processor.
tehseano said:
You can't OVERclock your G1. You can only clock it to its rated frequency. The processor is rated at 528Mhz, but when it's distributed, it's set to run between 245-384. So it's UNDERclocked when you buy it.
The process is made to run at 528Mhz, so you can safely do it. It will decrease your battery life, but won't hard your processor.
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lol then I feel dumb now that I used "overclock" word without knowing what it means. Haha
Thank's for the confirmation.
So even if I clock it to min = 528, max = 528, it will not harm the CPU at all?
Will it makes the CPU Hot for always clocking the rate to the max??
Yes, it will increase in temperature.
Typically, you don't want to run it at its maximum speed continually. Just for short bursts as needed. That's what automatic clock scaling is for.
riki28 said:
lol then I feel dumb now that I used "overclock" word without knowing what it means. Haha
Thank's for the confirmation.
So even if I clock it to min = 528, max = 528, it will not harm the CPU at all?
Will it makes the CPU Hot for always clocking the rate to the max??
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Yes, it will increase in temperature.
Typically, you don't want to run it at its maximum speed continually. Just for short bursts as needed. That's what automatic clock scaling is for.
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I see, Okaay, I will use it when I need it then, if 128-384 mb is the default rate by HTC, then I think it's the best freq rate for the phone...
Thanks for the info guys =)
For the record, you are "overclocking" it. It's clocked at a specific speed in stock format and you're OC'ing it from that.
TheSamurai said:
For the record, you are "overclocking" it. It's clocked at a specific speed in stock format and you're OC'ing it from that.
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Wrong...
As quoted from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overclock - "Overclocking is the process of running a computer component at a higher clock rate (more clock cycles per second) than it was designed for or was specified by the manufacturer." Maybe as specified by HTC, but on actual terms, no, it's not overclocked.
r3s-rt said:
Wrong...
As quoted from wiki/Overclock - "Overclocking is the process of running a computer component at a higher clock rate (more clock cycles per second) than it was designed for or was specified by the manufacturer." Maybe as specified by HTC, but on actual terms, no, it's not overclocked.
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lol @ proving yourself wrong.
I preordered my G1 and rooted it as soon as possible, fully charge it atleast once a day and keep my overclock widget set to 528 min - 528 max.. My phone holds good charge and works fine more than a year later
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Wrong...
As quoted from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overclock - "Overclocking is the process of running a computer component at a higher clock rate (more clock cycles per second) than it was designed for or was specified by the manufacturer." Maybe as specified by HTC, but on actual terms, no, it's not overclocked.
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Quite a FAIL
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Quite a FAIL
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HTC made the phone, but not all of the components. Qualcomm made the MSM7200A processor, and they set the recomended frequency at 528 Mhz. Anything lower then 528 should therefore be considered an underclock, and anyhting over should be considered an overclock.
OT, overclock is completely safe until a point. A company will test its products way harder then what consumer use for it would be. For example, if you were building a house in which the roof weighted a ton, you would use wooden walls that was designed for a ton. But, say that the roof is a little more then a ton, 1.001 tons, would the walls break? No, they would not. Qualcomm probably tested the processor much higher then the recomended values and set the maximum low enough so that they would not have issues about consumers with bricked hardware. My phone runs perfectly stable at 652 Mhz, but I cannot comment on battery life as my phone has always sucked way too much more then normal, even when I was still on stock. Setting it to say 160000 max and 528 min would be perfect for your phone without any risks.
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7200a&c=qualcomm_msm7200a
For the most part, unless you are planning on using your phone for a decade or so, you should not worry too much about the effects of increasing your processor clock speed.
You will notice an increase in temperature, in fact it is actually quite significant and a bit scary. If I recall though, seeing performance charts, increasing the clock speed on the Qualcomm processor does increase performance, but really not by a significant or (correct me if I am wrong) discernible amount.
I know this contradicts a bit with what I said earlier, but its more of just my own theory and that is I believe the heat from the processor probably would be fine for the processor itself, but I don't know about the other components. The temperature actually does get so hot to the point where it would be uncomfortable to have the phone on your lap. I have a hybrid silicone/plastic case on my phone and it expands by ALOT when the processor is clocked to 528Mhz from the heat.
So what's the best solution?
I just bought an HTC Dream on Ebay. As soon as I get it I plan to unlock and flash CM6. Will it come with overclocking software? If so, what's the best way to get the performance when it's needed and otherwise let it underclock?
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I just bought an HTC Dream on Ebay. As soon as I get it I plan to unlock and flash CM6. Will it come with overclocking software? If so, what's the best way to get the performance when it's needed and otherwise let it underclock?
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you best bet is to use setcpu 2.0.2 and it wont come with it
I would just like to put a little clarification note in here about the definition of overclocking....
Fact is that the rated maximum clock speed is/may_be based on certain IDEAL conditions and that a particular APPLICATION of that component may have a lower rating as a result of its characteristics. Specifically, knowing that speed makes HEAT, one could rate a CPU at LOWER than its manufacturer's spec in order to keep it within the heat envelope.
I am not saying that that is what is happening in this case, but it could, along with battery life, be part of the equation that led to them setting the clock below the chip's maximum rated speed.
So from this perspective, bringing the clocks up to 528 COULD IN FACT be considered OVERCLOCKING.
Further perspective, the processor if considered as a stand alone device is rated at 528MHz, so those terms the processor is underclocked when running at a lower frequency
However if you look at the processor as a component part of a larger assembly, then the manufacturers defined speed is set by other concerns than merely that of the processor's designed rating, and in this context running it at higher speeds than the device's rated speeds would be considered overclocking.
It all depends on perspective, from Qualcomm's perspective, HTC underclock the processor, from HTC's perspective, we overclock if we raise the clock frequency above that which they rate the assembly at.
And as we are talking of a multilayer PCB with components on both sides, what is the heat rating of the components on the opposite side of the PCB to the processor? I don't know, but I bet HTC does, and that may be a factor to consider, the processor may not fail, but what of the surrounding components?
And for the record, I use setcpu, and have it scaled for 160-528, it does heat up under heavy use, but not so much that I worry unduly, as has been said, HTC probably do take the heat envelope into account, as most manufacturers do, and most take the safe approach, and prefer to stay away from the edges of the envelope.
So unless you plan to peg your cpu clock at 528 or nothing, it should be safe enough, and will not reduce the life of the device significantly.
What are good settings for the CPU when the screen is off and others?
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I use Screen On at 806mHz and Screen Off at the lowest setting, conservative profile. It works well.
Both minimum and maximum are set to 245 for screen off? I want both performance and battery. I have my regular CPU set to 787 and 245.
Did you just answer your own question?
I think battery and performance dont really go hand in hand. I have screen off 245.
Give a little, take a little.
I wouldn't recommend using set CPU, there is still conspiracy whether it drains the life of your phones processor or not. I am leaning towards the validity of this research. Of course this is your choice, but be warned.
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theROMinator said:
I wouldn't recommend using set CPU, there is still conspiracy whether it drains the life of your phones processor or not. I am leaning towards the validity of this research. Of course this is your choice, but be warned.
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Huh? This is so easily testable. Leave your phone idle overnight without SetCPU, then with SetCPU set to underclock at 245, compare battery level in the morning. It is a basic law of physics that the power consumption of any switch is P=CV^2f, where C is the capacitance, V is the operating voltage and f is the operating frequency. Any CPU is a large collection of switches, lowering the operating frequency will always reduce power consumption unless the overhead of dynamic adjustment consumes more power.
Along the same logic if you overclock the CPU you WILL get more battery drain, guaranteed. As someone said earlier, power and performance are inversely related for any fixed configuration.
GroovyGeek said:
Huh? This is so easily testable. Leave your phone idle overnight without SetCPU, then with SetCPU set to underclock at 245, compare battery level in the morning. It is a basic law of physics that the power consumption of any switch is P=CV^2f, where C is the capacitance, V is the operating voltage and f is the operating frequency. Any CPU is a large collection of switches, lowering the operating frequency will always reduce power consumption unless the overhead of dynamic adjustment consumes more power.
Along the same logic if you overclock the CPU you WILL get more battery drain, guaranteed. As someone said earlier, power and performance are inversely related for any fixed configuration.
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Well your name is definitely very fitting.
GroovyGeek said:
Huh? This is so easily testable. Leave your phone idle overnight without SetCPU, then with SetCPU set to underclock at 245, compare battery level in the morning. It is a basic law of physics that the power consumption of any switch is P=CV^2f, where C is the capacitance, V is the operating voltage and f is the operating frequency. Any CPU is a large collection of switches, lowering the operating frequency will always reduce power consumption unless the overhead of dynamic adjustment consumes more power.
Along the same logic if you overclock the CPU you WILL get more battery drain, guaranteed. As someone said earlier, power and performance are inversely related for any fixed configuration.
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He said drain the life of the phones processor, not battery. I think he's saying shortening the life of the processor...I may be wrong.
did you guys also know they faked the moonlanding?
srsly though...set cpu is good stuff. if you think it drains the processors life, why not ask?
When you are not using your phone srt it to powersave 255 MHz and when you will use it. Set It to on demand 806 MHz
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Hey guys I need help here please, My nexus 6 temperature seems weird so I need to confirm with someone has the Nexus 6
I need to test the CPU and Battery temperature in 3 cases 1-out of deep sleep 2-normal usage like surfing on chrome 3-heavy usage Antutu test can achive that
You can use CPU Temp it will give you all the readings for battery and CPU in graph if you leave it running in the background
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.yanyan.cputemp
It would be great if someone would help with this because I will to send the phone to Motorola UK next week for them to repair it if my phone temp is not normal
Thanks in advance
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Hey guys I need help here please, My nexus 6 temperature seems weird so I need to confirm with someone has the Nexus 6
I need to test the CPU and Battery temperature in 3 cases 1-out of deep sleep 2-normal usage like surfing on chrome 3-heavy usage Antutu test can achive that
You can use CPU Temp it will give you all the readings for battery and CPU in graph if you leave it running in the background
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.yanyan.cputemp
It would be great if someone would help with this because I will to send the phone to Motorola UK next week for them to repair it if my phone temp is not normal
Thanks in advance
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i dont even know your temp and i can tell you its normal. if it goes above 70C, cpu temp, then thermal throttle sets in. if it hits 100C, your device will automatically shut down. anything below 40C is normal when not being used. anything below 100C is normal when being used. it will all depend how hard you are pushing your cpu. the harder you push it, the higher the temps will go.
there isnt a normal temp that it should be at, when in deep sleep, when being used, and when being used hard. there are too many variables to answer that correctly. so, there is no standard temp that it should be at.
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i dont even know your temp and i can tell you its normal. if it goes above 70C, cpu temp, then thermal throttle sets in. if it hits 100C, your device will automatically shut down. anything below 40C is normal when not being used. anything below 100C is normal when being used. it will all depend how hard you are pushing your cpu. the harder you push it, the higher the temps will go.
there isnt a normal temp that it should be at, when in deep sleep, when being used, and when being used hard. there are too many variables to answer that correctly. so, there is no standard temp that it should be at.
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I didn't need a standard temps I'm just asking to know if my temps are normal because my phone can get really hot with really simple tasks such as surfing the internet I'm talking about 50+ for the CPU which we can say that can be normal since I live in tropical country but what is not normal is the battery temepreture which most of the time above 38 to 43 and that makes the phone hot when I'm holding it
D3VI0US said:
I didn't need a standard temps I'm just asking to know if my temps are normal because my phone can get really hot with really simple tasks such as surfing the internet I'm talking about 50+ for the CPU which we can say that can be normal since I live in tropical country but what is not normal is the battery temepreture which most of the time above 38 to 43 and that makes the phone hot when I'm holding it
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50+ is normal. and your body temp is 37C, so your battery temp is not hot at all, but normal. your phone will shut down automatically if your battery temp reaches 60C(to cool off). the only way ive seen it reach that warm was with playing cpu intensive games while charging or by streaming a movie while charging.
simms22 said:
50+ is normal. and your body temp is 37C, so your battery temp is not hot at all, but normal. your phone will shut down automatically if your battery temp reaches 60C(to cool off). the only way ive seen it reach that warm was with playing cpu intensive games while charging or by streaming a movie while charging.
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You know what worries me is I compared it to the note 4 the exynos version in the same condition as my wife has it and it's running really cool and nowhere near to this temperatures I'm having on the nexus 6
D3VI0US said:
You know what worries me is I compared it to the note 4 the exynos version in the same condition as my wife has it and it's running really cool and nowhere near to this temperatures I'm having on the nexus 6
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samsung sets up their cpu much differently than how google does. the note 4 also has the same sized battery as the n6, but its battery lasts longer on average. google also adds in a cpu temp throttle, where samsung doesnt. and the cpu is completely different anyways.
D3VI0US said:
Hey guys I need help here please, My nexus 6 temperature seems weird so I need to confirm with someone has the Nexus 6
I need to test the CPU and Battery temperature in 3 cases 1-out of deep sleep 2-normal usage like surfing on chrome 3-heavy usage Antutu test can achive that
You can use CPU Temp it will give you all the readings for battery and CPU in graph if you leave it running in the background
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.yanyan.cputemp
It would be great if someone would help with this because I will to send the phone to Motorola UK next week for them to repair it if my phone temp is not normal
Thanks in advance
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Sorry to dig up an old thread but I wanted to mention a problem with the app you mentioned:
It turns out that app you mentioned: cpu temperature is actually only reporting battery temperature! (I confirmed by observing that the single reported temperature matched my phones battery temperature and was far less than any of the four cpu temperatures reported by cpu-z).
I am curious if anyone knows of an app that will provide a trend of cpu temperature(s) over time, rather than displaying only the present-time cpu temperatures like cpu-z
Hi all,
I'm very annoyed from the Cpu throttling on my Xperia Z3+.
I don't have root, because it's not possible to backup DRM Keys without unlocking Bootloader. But someday it will be possible.
Is it possible to change the treshold of Cpu throtteling? Maybe by editing a File when I have root?.
Sorry for my bad english.
ThePhilipp01 said:
Hi all,
I'm very annoyed from the Cpu throttling on my Xperia Z3+.
I don't have root, because it's not possible to backup DRM Keys without unlocking Bootloader. But someday it will be possible.
Is it possible to change the treshold of Cpu throtteling? Maybe by editing a File when I have root?.
Sorry for my bad english.
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You can change the temperature it throttles at, but it pretty much reaches that temperature immediately. I don't believe the S810 in this phone can run at max frequency for longer than a few seconds.
I want to do the same , since I strongly believe, that without thermal throttling, cpu's temperature won't go very high
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You can change the temperature it throttles at, but it pretty much reaches that temperature immediately. I don't believe the S810 in this phone can run at max frequency for longer than a few seconds.
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I don't want remove the throttling completly, but I want to set the temperature treshold higher. At 55° the S810 goes down with the perfomance. For example, the Galaxy S6 is much hotter before it throttles.
Perhaps we could also limit the 4 strong cores to a maximum of 1.8 GHz, as in OnePlus Two. Then the Xperia Z3 + / Z4 still has enough power, but is still not as fast hot. When the S810 is throttled, it is far below the 1.8 Ghz. Down to 700Mhz far as I know.
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I want to do the same , since I strongly believe, that without thermal throttling, cpu's temperature won't go very high
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How do you know? Did you have a chance to test that?
When i play games like moderncombat5 i have 60fps but after a while the frames drop in some scenes where it didnt 3-5 minutes ago. When i check the cpu/gpu i can see that it throttles and causes these framedrops. But the phone doesnt get hot. Since it isnt possible to mess with thermal values at the moment. I wonder if there are some optimal cpu/gpu clocks where it will not throttle and performance will stay the same all time regardless of how much you stress the cpu/gpu. Because i'd rather have a underclocked cpu gpu than having thermal throttling while stressing the phone. On oneplus3 i didnt have this much thermal throttling playing mc5. I also feel the thermal throttling throttles way to early.
And yes i tried almost all kernels/roms out there it was a better experience on the op3
Thanks!
All CPUs have slight variations, some may be slightly more efficient than others of the same model. To get the best performance, you're going to have to underclock and test on your own phone bit by bit.
Anova's Origin said:
All CPUs have slight variations, some may be slightly more efficient than others of the same model. To get the best performance, you're going to have to underclock and test on your own phone bit by bit.
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I know i have pvs lvl 1 across the board thats why i wonder why i didnt have this issue on the oneplus3
nadejo said:
I know i have pvs lvl 1 across the board thats why i wonder why i didnt have this issue on the oneplus3
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What file did you open up to view that i looked a few months ago in the typical spots but found nothing.
954wrecker said:
What file did you open up to view that i looked a few months ago in the typical spots but found nothing.
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I dont remember. But it was hard to find. Anyways i found out that the cpu allways throttles down to little 1209 mhz and big 1440 mhz. When gpu is running on max clock. Will make further investigations now to find perfect cpu & gpu freq.
It seems regardless of what cpu profile / governor you use and regardless if the phone is charging or not. The cpu will allways throttle down to 1209 little and 1440 big. And the gpu also throttles but i can't monitor the exact values currently. This throttling even happens when gpu is running on min freq. And even when you set big or little cluster to min freq.
Im pretty sure the thermal throttling of the oneplus3 is broken. Because:
Thermal throttling should be decided by many factors. (General soc heat generated by gpu/cpu/and ram) also the system should be aware by the values and should handle it intelligently.)
It seems there is only one heatsensor used to throttle all at once and the throttling stops at 1209mhz little and 1440mhz big. If the temperature still rises the phone simply doesnt give a f*** why i think there isnt even a point of using this stock throttling method. And no its not accurate. And no its not usefull because, it throttles regardless what heat the phone has. Because it doesnt react to soc heat. It reacts to one of the components and throttles everything. Why it can't check the other temparatures aswell and throttle other components diffrently if even needed at all.
Issue: lets say little or big cluster is overheating because the cpu load is very high on it. (And no you wont see this throttling by simply running perf gov. It needs load/ working tasks on it, means you gotta play some heavy 3d games)
The thermal throttling just brakes down both clusters including the gpu. Was the big cluster or the gpu running cool? The thermal throttling doesn't give a f***. Could the loads/tasks been shared with or pushed to the big cluster. Thermal values dont care. Could some rly simple sort of hotplug turn the overhating little cluster off to let the big cluster do the rest before it rather throttles everything on the f... phone . -nope - Its annoying. Rly just try it out yourself. I really hope to see some improvements by oneplus. And no the phone is not bad at all. It's just some things are not optimized yet. Like touch latency which is worse than on galaxy s3 but i don't mind it just giving you an example so you can imagine how bad the thermal throttling must be.
Allways remember setting the cpu clock values so low that they dont throttle anymore doesnt mean gpu will throttle less often. All compenents will throttle without comparing other compents clock rate and heat.
My question: is the thermal throttling decided by the soc itself or are there different thermal throttling values on each phone brand using sd821?
And is it possible to port these values from lets say pixel phone?
I'm on cm13 and its kernel default is a bit lower than stock. I had the screen on full brightness and was charging the battery so temps above 100°. I played dead trigger 2 on highest settings on a level with lots of special effects and weapons with lots of splatter. Got throttled when the temp hit 103° everytime. I was running performance on cpu and gpu and i tested it without charging and still get throttled.
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I'm on cm13 and its kernel default is a bit lower than stock. I had the screen on full brightness and was charging the battery so temps above 100°. I played dead trigger 2 on highest settings on a level with lots of special effects and weapons with lots of splatter. Got throttled when the temp hit 103° everytime. I was running performance on cpu and gpu and i tested it without charging and still get throttled.
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Im using laos 14.1 with latest ex kernel.
As is said thermal values are broken. Its not right to throttle down to same speed if charger is plugged as battery heat is higher and soc heat should be higher too. So i think it also throttles unnecesserily low without the charger being plugged.
Did any one find a solution to fix this?
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years of tired because of this ****ting throttling issue
Well do this at your own risk, go to system/vendor/bin and cut the file named "thermal-engine" to other directories in your sd card. This will completely disable thermal throttling. Perfect for gaming.?
Up up!!! This issues persists to me.. i even put my oneplus 3t in front of 8" fan for every gaming. Is there anyway to maintain the cpu frequency at higher rate during thermal throttling? I don't want to totally disable the thermal throttling... Seems unsafe... Enlighten me if you would
I think its time for gamer's to switch to a gaming oriented phone to avoid this thermal throttling and im looking forward to buy Black Shark which is Xiaomi backed gaming phone with custom rom (not miui) something different and that too is gaming focused hopefully it will be available globally soon ! :fingers-crossed:
J's said:
Up up!!! This issues persists to me.. i even put my oneplus 3t in front of 8" fan for every gaming. Is there anyway to maintain the cpu frequency at higher rate during thermal throttling? I don't want to totally disable the thermal throttling... Seems unsafe... Enlighten me if you would
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There is no risk if you disable thermal throttling, the CPU will shut itself down if its temperature reaches 100°C
przemcio510 said:
There is no risk if you disable thermal throttling, the CPU will shut itself down if its temperature reaches 100°C
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If i tilt my phone to the left for gaming, i will be burning my left thumb then.... even around cpu temp of 55.... My OnePlus 3T is gold in colour.. will it be better for heat dissipation if i change to midnight black?
LN2 + Copper pot. Should help.
J's said:
If i tilt my phone to the left for gaming, i will be burning my left thumb then.... even around cpu temp of 55.... My OnePlus 3T is gold in colour.. will it be better for heat dissipation if i change to midnight black?
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No, the color will have no impact, but it will be even worse when exposed to sun
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No, the color will have no impact, but it will be even worse when exposed to sun
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Thank you... Because the country i living is hot and humid throughout the year so i have to be extra careful ..
Any solution?
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Any solution?
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There's nothing you can do about the throtting, OP3T throttles @60°C tbh in just 10 mins of game play it starts throtting
You have 2 options here
1. Either disable thermal engine as suggested by someone above ( it basically boils your device forget about gaming, temps touchs to 98°C if msm thermal is disabled and around 60 to 75°c it msm thermal is enabled it's seriously hot to touch and high chances of damaging internals
2. Underclock the big cluster to 1209MHz or 1286MHz I tested both, while gaming (2 hrs of pubg @ medium settings) temp's are around 53 to 55°c and never reached 60°c no throtting ( but you know what, games still lag or you will get low fps due to lack of power Lol I'm sorry that's true there nothing you can do about it try playing games in air conditioned room or just buy gaming Phone like Razer they have good heat dissipation, you should not forget the fact that our device is 2 years old. Tbh on a 2 year old phones even optimized games too use lot of processing power which lead more heat. More heat = throttle