Can someone else confirm that Redmi Note 10 Pro has a Black crush display issue when watching dark videos?
My device has the issue and dark scenes are unwatchable.
What Is “Black Crush” on a Display?
Have you heard the term “black crush” while looking at TV or monitor reviews? The problem is getting more attention now that display manufacturers are trying to improve black reproduction, particularly on LED-lit LCD models. So what are “crushed blacks,” and do you need to worry about them?
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Alrite guys, I've planned to get the Z1 by this week and reading every thread here I only got one problem that is the Display, so I want to know how does the display looks like (only for owners of Z1) I want a straight and easy review (don't give any other information on viewing angles other than I asked) how is the display of Z1 head to head and also while watching videos and while playing some motion games does the screen fades out? like in games as real racing 3 we have to tilt display left/right only a bit to turn does the display gets bad or faded? ( I guess no it's a small tilt not some weird angles of using it) and specially is the display head to head great and better than the gs4 or htc one? (head to head only) don't need comment on viewing angles that they fade on huge tilt coz I am not an idiot to use it that way, watsoeva.
AndroidNoob22 said:
Alrite guys, I've planned to get the Z1 by this week and reading every thread here I only got one problem that is the Display, so I want to know how does the display looks like (only for owners of Z1) I want a straight and easy review (don't give any other information on viewing angles other than I asked) how is the display of Z1 head to head and also while watching videos and while playing some motion games does the screen fades out? like in games as real racing 3 we have to tilt display left/right only a bit to turn does the display gets bad or faded? ( I guess no it's a small tilt not some weird angles of using it) and specially is the display head to head great and better than the gs4 or htc one? (head to head only) don't need comment on viewing angles that they fade on huge tilt coz I am not an idiot to use it that way, watsoeva.
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I personally like SUPER AMOLED (read samsung devices' display) better, dipper and richer colors (black especially), I hope there will be a gamma adjustment tool for Z1 available soon.
AndroidNoob22 said:
Alrite guys, I've planned to get the Z1 by this week and reading every thread here I only got one problem that is the Display, so I want to know how does the display looks like (only for owners of Z1) I want a straight and easy review (don't give any other information on viewing angles other than I asked) how is the display of Z1 head to head and also while watching videos and while playing some motion games does the screen fades out? like in games as real racing 3 we have to tilt display left/right only a bit to turn does the display gets bad or faded? ( I guess no it's a small tilt not some weird angles of using it) and specially is the display head to head great and better than the gs4 or htc one? (head to head only) don't need comment on viewing angles that they fade on huge tilt coz I am not an idiot to use it that way, watsoeva.
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Good
Head on you will get
- Great colors, saturation
- Great at watching movies
- Great reading legibility at direct sunlight
- Great brightness
- Good contrast
Bad
- viewing angles. but you have to tilt more than 45 degrees to really notice the difference. playing real racing 3 is ok, does not distort the display.
- some units get yellow hue. but this is just a software bug, can be fixed by simply downloading an app in google play and adding a little more blue. or wait for a firmware update.
Vs S4 and Vs HTC One
- Z1 has better color, saturation. best at watching movies.
- S4 has better blacks and contrast and viewing angles. but bad brightness, literally can't use under the sunlight. also remember that Amoled deteriorate very fast (1 year, almost 10% loss)
- HTC one has better brightness, better contrast than Z1, best viewing angles.
Morlock O said:
Good
Head on you will get
- Great colors, saturation
- Great at watching movies
- Great reading legibility at direct sunlight
- Great brightness
- Good contrast
Bad
- viewing angles. but you have to tilt more than 45 degrees to really notice the difference. playing real racing 3 is ok, does not distort the display.
- some units get yellow hue. but this is just a software bug, can be fixed by simply downloading an app in google play and adding a little more blue. or wait for a firmware update.
Vs S4 and Vs HTC One
- Z1 has better color, saturation. best at watching movies.
- S4 has better blacks and contrast and viewing angles. but bad brightness, literally can't use under the sunlight. also remember that Amoled deteriorate very fast (1 year, almost 10% loss)
- HTC one has better brightness, better contrast than Z1, best viewing angles.
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This was a perfect answer, thanks man! I am not going to use my phone flat in my hand as only stupid people will do that, I just was intended to know if the display is good head-head and while on some games where motion is used (I was pretty sure it will be perfect) thanks again! :good: :good:
Morlock O said:
Good
Head on you will get
- Great colors, saturation
- Great at watching movies
- Great reading legibility at direct sunlight
- Great brightness
- Good contrast
Bad
- viewing angles. but you have to tilt more than 45 degrees to really notice the difference. playing real racing 3 is ok, does not distort the display.
- some units get yellow hue. but this is just a software bug, can be fixed by simply downloading an app in google play and adding a little more blue. or wait for a firmware update.
Vs S4 and Vs HTC One
- Z1 has better color, saturation. best at watching movies.
- S4 has better blacks and contrast and viewing angles. but bad brightness, literally can't use under the sunlight. also remember that Amoled deteriorate very fast (1 year, almost 10% loss)
- HTC one has better brightness, better contrast than Z1, best viewing angles.
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Everything you said it's true, but I myself saw a htc one with z1, I guess z1's screen was better with a great contrast and brightness and htc one's viewing angles, no one can win it, though it's just what my eyes saw that z1 had a better screen than any phone atm the moment in market has (head-head or even while gaming/watching vids) cant really say if others see the same
hello community
I bought my tab s T805 a few days ago and yesterday watched "The Strain" on it.
Everytime when a black part (hair, clothes etc.) moves, there was a caudate behind.
Very annoying if there are more black objects and the camera moves...the whole picture looks unsharp.
Seems like it´s a comon problem of AMOLED Displays, because my Note 3 shows the same behaviour.
Anyone else noticed this problem?
Maybe it´s only the display of my tablet...
what app do you use for media playback and whats the source? own blu ray rip or purchased online etc?
I use Plex, Video is H264 rip of the blueray.
The Plex server streams the video to the tablet.
ChristianTHB said:
hello community
I bought my tab s T805 a few days ago and yesterday watched "The Strain" on it.
Everytime when a black part (hair, clothes etc.) moves, there was a caudate behind.
Very annoying if there are more black objects and the camera moves...the whole picture looks unsharp.
Seems like it´s a comon problem of AMOLED Displays, because my Note 3 shows the same behaviour.
Anyone else noticed this problem?
Maybe it´s only the display of my tablet...
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Yea, I've noticed this a lot. Doesn't matter if it's a game, movie, or static image. Any deep black spots will "smear" across the screen a bit.
Damn...beside this problem, the screen is really great!
Maybe I send it back and get an alternative...
As far as i know, only TabPro and Note 10.1 (2014) also have the same resolution.
Interesting Article on Motion Blur with OLED displays
http://www.blurbusters.com/faq/oled-motion-blur/
I have seen similar in my Note 2.
Digital Man said:
Interesting Article on Motion Blur with OLED displays
http://www.blurbusters.com/faq/oled-motion-blur/
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Good article. I disagree with one thing, though I've never heard of OLED described as holy grail of motion blur. It's the holy grail of black as the pixels can shut off completely. But as for motion it is pretty much in same boat as modern LCD. LCD now has very fast pixel response too (not as fast as OLED), but because of sample and hold it has motion blur. Ditto OLED.
Even the $25,000 LG OLED uses sample and hold and has some motion blur. So yeah don't expect great motion in your $400 tablet.
I though Samsung had fixed the motion blur or at least improved it by not fully turning off the pixels so it take less time for them to respond, so it`s not jet black more like dark, dark, dark grey
John.
Interesting side note. There will likely be a specific need for low persistence OLED displays for virtual reality applications in the future. This is an excerpt from the Oculus Rift website:
Low Persistence OLED Display
DK2 uses a low persistence OLED display to eliminate motion blur and judder, two of the biggest contributors to simulator sickness. Low persistence makes the scene appear visually stable, increasing the potential for presence.
Some facts about the OLED's used in the Oculus Rift:
http://www.oled-info.com/oculus-vr-shows-new-hmd-prototype-low-persistance-oled
Oculus' DK2 uses the Galaxy Note 3 AMOLED panel, overclocked for lower persistence:
http://www.oled-info.com/oculus-dk2-uses-galaxy-note-3-amoled-panel-overclocked-lower-persistence
I have been unable to see any motion blur on my T800, though i mostly watch animi, i do watch movies as well.
John.
It's easily testable with a black image with some dark details on it like this one. If you even gently move it around in an image viewer many of the details will simply disappear.
Are any of you with this issue using power saving mode? I found that the slower refresh rate in powersaving mode does cause some screen issues.
Hello everyone ,i recently got a z3+ and i noticed that the black levels of the screen are pretty bad...coming from an oled display i was expecting some diffrence but not that bad...I watched some movies and in the dark scenes it is very difficult to see the picture ,everything looks the same and you cant really see the characters or the background ..its a mess especially in daylight conditions its almost unviewable.Cranking the brightness all the way up helps a lot -again in very good lighting enviroments/outside/daylight i cant see a thing in dark scenes- but then the black levels are too bad almost grey not black..
I also had a z1 compact which i dont think it was that bad, i'll try to test them side by side...
So i was wondering if a have faulty screen or something but i would like to hear your experience ...
Overall its nice screen bright with nice colours etc..but the black levels are a dissapointment in movies/videos..
Also i have disabled all screen enchanments (x-reality etc) and my white calibration is 178/162/37 RGB
Based on this review i was expecting more...
Blacks are pretty good in my opinion contrast ratio is brilliant for a ips. But this may come from you're eyes trained to a OLED screen. It's like my TV I have a lg OLED in the living room but a led in the bedroom and now I'm seeing grey instead of black :silly:
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Blacks are pretty good in my opinion contrast ratio is brilliant for a ips. But this may come from you're eyes trained to a OLED screen. It's like my TV I have a lg OLED in the living room but a led in the bedroom and now I'm seeing grey instead of black :silly:
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Here are some photos of my screen's blacks ...taken at 100% brightness in a 100% dark room ,all screen enchanments off, showing the same black level block picture in all 4 photos...i tried to adjust the camera exposure to make it look as close as what i was seeing ...as you can see it actualy can lit the desk under it and there is massive light bleed (if thats the correct term) out of the 4 corners in low viewing angles ,it actually creates a shape of X of light in a surface...Thats all please try it too to check out your results so as to know if i have problematic screen...
Hi to everyone! I just wanted to ask you users if you ever experienced black crush and color banding on this device while watching multimedia, such as on Netflix. I've search around the internet but nobody has ever asked it clearly for this exact model and only for the s10e or s10+. Also, Erica Griffin, the techie youtuber, has posted a picture of the screen of both the s10e and s10+ with a black crush test in fullscreen. The diplay was first set as natural and then vivid, yielding different results. This showed that s10e is quite terrible in this regard, while s10+ only suffers it in natural mode. Can you also try this test and post pictures of the results?
If not, can you download the Display Tester app and see how many squares you can spot in the Black saturation test and if in the banding test you see some gradient on the left side of the raindow image (the dark tone part).
Thank you in advance for your time!
Also, I am interested in the international version with the Exynos processor, since it is the only one available here in Europe. Thank you again!
So from early videos of walkthroughs. It appears like there is no dc dimming included.
Does anyone that have the device mind commenting on the PWM flicker?
How is the flicker? Is there a DC dimming mode that is hidden in labs or developer options?
If not would you mind filming your screen in slow motion with another phone? Adjusting brightness to different levels 100% 75% 50% 25% and 0%?
And would you upload it here? That way I can judge the flicker level myself?
The Oppo Find X5 Pro which uses the same display (probably) was tested by notebookcheck at circa 370hz which is not too bad.
I was interested in this too.
I found this.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/PWM-Ranking-Notebooks-Smartphones-and-Tablets-with-PWM.163979.0.html?
Interestingly, the value listed on notebookcheck contradicts the value for the op8 pro one from DXO
Flicker, the display affliction - DXOMARK
All screens flicker to some degree, but what causes it on smartphones in particular, and how does DXOMARK test for it?
www.dxomark.com
So, I'm not sure what is accurate. As someone who is sensitive to pwm flicker, I can say that my present DD OP 8 pro is fantastic but I couldn't use the OP9 pro at all. Hard to say what OP10 pro will actually be like until you spend some time with it.
I picked up the OnePlus 10 Pro to try It for myself. Not a good experience initially.
How so? Care to elaborate?
bacon612 said:
As someone who is sensitive to pwm flicker
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It's a bit of an off-topic, but everyone is sensitive to pwm flicker, just some people's eyes hurt and others become irritable after a while or their concentration is impaired. If someone doesn't consciously feel flicker, it doesn't mean one's brain does not percept it and processes.