Hello everyone..
This I thought was something important that I decided to put in the theme thread since the above mentioned developer has had such an impact in the theming world.
So I was talking to cacheinjection just a few minutes ago on gtalk, and he unfortunately told me to let the xda community know that he will be leaving the android theming for a while.
He gave the reason as he was getting very busy with his job, and so does not have that much time right now(which i'm sure is true for most android developers since we can't be on xda all day every day), and also he expressed his discontent at people's lack of appreciation for all that he did/has been doing. He has been quite a revolutionary themer and most people would agree with me that the new things that he brought to the android scene, along with the help of other great developers: freekyfrogy and djosiah, made us love our g1's/mytouch 3g's all over again. With my time being on xda, I have seen this too many times where some ppl on xda actually end up pushing developers away because they do not realize that all developers have lives apart from the work they do for free for the xda community. I think it goes without saying that we as an xda community should show our appreciation to developers, as our way of saying thank you for taking time out of their day.
Excerpts from Conversation:
Cacheinjection: I feel pretty s*** about Android atm...People always want stuff, and never give anything back, not even thanks really. So I think I might give it up. I had a good run.
Cacheinjection: I think it might be very soon cos I don't see people caring anymore.
Cacheinjection: All people do is moan cos I haven't [done a specific thing]. F*** it. I'll just make my own fone pretty.
Cacheinjection: I have a pretty awesome job, I just like people to appreciate that I put my heart and soul into the stuff
Cacheinjection: It seems to me that if you need to tell people to appreciate what you do, they don't appreciate it
Cacheinjection: Let ppl know that I am taking a bit of time off of theme development. Things will get updated as and when..and I'll continue my work with Super D with Ben.
So there it is guys. If I were you, I would go over to his page, and to the pages of as many developers as you can find, and let them know how much you appreciate them. A donation never hurts either, if they have it on their page. So that's it. Just letting people know. Don't let any more developers make this decision also. Let them know you care. Thanks.
Shouldn't be to much of a surprise though, the things he say are pretty true though.
Ace42 said:
Shouldn't be to much of a surprise though, the things he say are pretty true though.
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Very true. Also, I feel even worse for the Devs, they aren't that much more appreciated either! They make wonderful Roms and include awesome instructions yet people ask questions that are already answered and demand more and more and more. I don't know how some of them (including themers) put up with everything. Reading the posts people make in Rom threads make me go They want this, that, etc etc etc!
If only people took some more effort into doing some stuff themselves or even learning the basics, it would probably reduce a lot of these issues. I love when I see a theme release and people just ask for different stuff when they can do it themselves lol, I wonder if they even know how much time this stuff takes. I also don't think most of the people understand or know a thing about the Roms, other then flashing it! Which leads to more demands and devs that have to deal with it!
Just another example of a great developer being pushed away by unappreciative idiots on this forum. It's kind of sad really, alot of people have nothing better to do but to refresh the page every 5 seconds waiting for a new update (usually for a minor bug) even though an update was released just a few days prior. Better yet, the same people will b*tch and moan if a Dev hasn't put anything out for a week, while completely disregarding the fact that people like Cache work for free despite the fact they have actual lives outside of xda. This applies for ROMS and themes.
Xda should be a pay site and I'm serious. Either subscription based or download based. If not then this site will slowly die, do you think devs will continually put up with this crap over and over again? I have no problem paying a mandatory fee for an amazing theme or ROM. Nothing major, just a few dollars but at least the devs will get some guaranteed compensation.
Hope to see you back here Cache because despite the idiots, I do know there are alot of posters that appreciate your work.
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Just another example of a great developer being pushed away by unappreciative idiots on this forum. It's kind of sad really, alot of people have nothing better to do but to refresh the page every 5 seconds waiting for a new update (usually for a minor bug) even though an update was released just a few days prior. Better yet, the same people will b*tch and moan if a Dev hasn't put anything out for a week, while completely disregarding the fact that people like Cache work for free despite the fact they have actual lives outside of xda. This applies for ROMS and themes.
Xda should be a pay site and I'm serious. Either subscription based or download based. If not then this site will slowly die, do you think devs will continually put up with this crap over and over again? I have no problem paying a mandatory fee for an amazing theme or ROM. Nothing major, just a few dollars but at least the devs will get some guaranteed compensation.
Hope to see you back here Cache because despite the idiots, I do know there are alot of posters that appreciate your work.
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Something like the membership @ modaco. People get angry when a new update doesn't come out which is ridiculous.
Cacheinjection Keep Your Head Up And I Also Want You To Know That You Are Appreciated By Me. Take As Much Time As You Need. Your Themes Are The Best And Will Always And Forever Be. Your A Tremendous Developer. Continue On Doing What You Do And Trust Me: You Will Be Missed A LOT!
Until Then...Keep Up The Marvelous Work
It seems people want things on there schedule and how they want it.. A dev developes for him/herself and then share with the community.. We shouldn't expect anything from them we should be happy that they took there time to make something for us (community)....
Appreciate you and your revolutionary designs for the Android Community... You will be missed a lot
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Something like the membership @ modaco. People get angry when a new update doesn't come out which is ridiculous.
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Ah I'd be totally down for some kind of membership/subscription here (As long as it isn't too much! Just some membership thing would be nice)
And now that you guys mention people constantly wanting updates, that reminds me of how ppl appear to go crazy when Cyanogen doesn't release an update and think he's left the project to die cause of nexus one lmao. I personally think most of us will just keep wanting updates (flashaholics!), even at the point where updates are almost no longer possible!
It's terrible how all the complainers ruin it for all the people who truly do appreciate the devs work. The lurkers like me far outnumber the haters but the fact that we lurk is probably part of the problem. We'll miss him cache's work has definitely been some of the best.....the Darkstar theme is the best thing on any cellular device to date imho.
Sorry to see him leave, he will be missed.
eessel said:
F*** it. I'll just make my own fone pretty.
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this made me laugh lol...
but that fact aside...
u do amazing work...
ive been part of the android community since day 1 of the g1 being released...
i wasnt a linux geek or themeing master but i patiently waited...learned the tricks and began helping others...
it was fun to give people tips and tricks on how to do things
help run their roms on their phone when they cant anymore...
and i feel what ur saying
its hard to keep up with a community thats so young and wants everything quick...some people just dont realize the time that goes into it...
well i hope u do come back and if u keep ur themes for a select few i understand that...for peopel who donate and what not i would be more than willing to pitch in...everyone deserves payment for their work...nothing in this world is free
Sad, sad, sad...
Hope HE will be fine. It doesn't matter those people whose won't be getting his stuff, only HE matters.
So, if HE is allright, i'll be fine!
Good luck Mr.Cacheinjection!
damn this guy was my partner in crime lol. to be honest without cache here updates for elegance and darkstar will be very slow. he was the one who mostly updated these themes. its sad to see him go because he has taught me a lot and if it wasnt for his initial darkstar concept i wouldnt have gotten into themeing. hopefully he will be back sooner than we think.
@shadowch31 syaing that he 'bit off more then he chew' isnt a very fair statement to make. he chose to try and do all these things to help the community and when the community dont show appreciation they are just throwing it back in his face. im not having a go at you or anything, just thought it needed to be said.
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I feel sorry about it, but I understand him, everyone who make themes/roms, would understand it too. Actually people, who never made anything, don't realize how hard is it, and how many hours we expend on it.
I also hate when people post negative comments like: "you should post concepts, or w.i.p, ...
I hope he doesn't leave forever, or even long, becuase we need him. He's one of the best, and always a good help for people like me.
I just want to thank him for everything he has made so far.
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I would say though, shadowch31, that from all the conversations that i've had with cache, money is not his main thing for theming. The guy has a love for theming and he seems he just has a heart to share the ideas with people. Just to clear that up. What's wrong with donations anyway? More so to him? The guy has really been revolutionary with bringing new ideas to the table, and you're right..not everyone can donate, but those who can, it never hurts to send a dev some monetary thank yous. i've done so myself when i could cuz i know the time and effort it takes to make anything, from the smallest thing to the grandest. but yeah..i was just letting you know that that's not what cache is about here.
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I would say though, shadowch31, that from all the conversations that i've had with cache, money is not his main thing for theming. The guy has a love for theming and he seems he just has a heart to share the ideas with people. Just to clear that up. What's wrong with donations anyway? More so to him? The guy has really been revolutionary with bringing new ideas to the table, and you're right..not everyone can donate, but those who can, it never hurts to send a dev some monetary thank yous. i've done so myself when i could cuz i know the time and effort it takes to make anything, from the smallest thing to the grandest. but yeah..i was just letting you know that that's not what cache is about here.
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I agree, developers can sell their software in the market, themers share it here. Donations is a good way to push creators to keep working and creating.
And I think 1$ is not a big deal for anybody here, but together, it would be a nice reward for every developer.
But it's just my opinion
hey guys,
im just gonna chime in quick,
first off i wana say to shadowch31 none of this is aimed at you, you are awsome, and i dont think i would have done as much good worth without your enthusiasm.
And yeah i totaly love your british sense of humor, gtalk em if ya wana chat
yeah, this is most definitely not about money, I have a job, and that keeps me in beer and a roof over the head, in fact i was a little hesitant about adding donate links, cos i dont want people to give if they dont wana. its just about people appreciating work, also people letting us know they are still interested with what were doing, helps us know if we should continue to work on it for the comunity.
Anyway thanks for all the support, and i will be back, just having a breather.
Cache
Thanks for coming in Cache and clearing things up, I understand your words of enthusiasm a lot more than 'appreciated' but see how the two tie in.
Your right the community had somwhat abandonded Darkstar besides me and my motivational nagging and Elegance was getting the same besides the odd 'Can we have...' brigade. Gonna be sad to see you go fella but it is a well deserved break and one I understand, just looking at getting into theming myself and know it ain't gonna be a walk in the park and is gonna take a lot of time and effort. Was just gutted and upset to see such an asset to the themeing community leave and for what seemed like weak excuses but now you have explained I fully understand your decision.
I, like everyone else will miss ya fella and look forward to the day you feel like coming back and treating us all to your amazing work. Thanks for everything Cache, been a hell of a ride.
I too would like to say thanks Cache for what you've done for the community, and of course especially DarkStar.
To this date I still haven't abandoned the last update of DS that had Stericson's lockscreen lol. In fact, I'm actually keeping the theme for quite some time since SD 1.8 is stable and fast enough.
But yeah have fun with your break dude, and I look forward to your return.
Hi everyone my name is Andrew and i currently live in Colombia, im a 4th year Medical Student and i love windows phone and all of their features.
As you might think i cant spend much time learning about the development process on windows phone, but i have time, to think about how to change and improve windows phone.
Most of you guys, Developers, state that you have the tools to develop, but sometimes you run out of ideas. With that said, i think that a great idea, with a great developer, makes a really great app. So, i have just 2 ideas, for now, to develop what i think will be one of the greatest apps in windows phone this year, you might trust me or not, but i can ensure you that the concept will catch you in my net.
I know that im a new user, and that i havent posted alot here, but trust me i really want to work, of course i want windows phone to become the greatest mobile OS out there and also, being real, i need some money. Then of course we will split the benefits with the developer, and i know that the idea is worth somehow less than the development itself. I'm a clever guy and i know how the world works.
So if you are a Serious Developer, commited, and willing to form a team that will change the way our windows phone works and feels, please leave a comment, or send me an INBOX.
Thank you all for your attention,
Andrew
Hi everyone!
Now I have bin designing a lot of phones as concepts and with that i keep learning more and more. Now i get a lot of mails about people asking me to join them in there bisnuss and design for them. Now I had this before and that was all a social test which cost me a lot of time.. But now! It's finally time to start something with a group of people.
Ryan of Andromeda came to me asking me if I could be there designer and well that's what I have bin doing now and I have bin working hard on creation a great design but also one that is great in the hands!
With that we started to go to the first fase and in this we started a Gofundme page, If you guys have time it would be great if you could look at it for now I will place renders within this thread and I wish to invite you to watch the phone and maybe help us get there by either donating or sharing the page! every single bit of help is welcome!
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It would be a great honor.
What I am doing in Basic is designing the phone and I would also do the commercials, animation and right now also wallpapers.
I worked hard on getting here and I truly hope it can go furder then this and do this as a job!
We will also send when all is furder devices to good reviewers to make the best device we can in design and experience!
Go fund yourself
veeman said:
Go fund yourself
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while that was funny, We really are trying to get this lifted off the ground. If not then kindly share it, all we are trying to do is pursue our dreams and feel that being on XDA developers which is not only fellow phone guys but people of a community that help people. again we thank you very much for taking the time out and help us
gunitd said:
while that was funny, We really are trying to get this lifted off the ground. If not then kindly share it, all we are trying to do is pursue our dreams and feel that being on XDA developers which is not only fellow phone guys but people of a community that help people. again we thank you very much for taking the time out and help us
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Okay, why should I (or anyone) fund you? It looks like the only thing your company has now are some renders. You're throwing around all these high end specs but your company has no experience designing phones. You're in the early stages of development and you're already quoting $549 as the price? You seriously think you can offer a high quality phone with these high end specs? The other major players in the market already have tons of experience, tons of connections. I suggest instead of trying to crowdfund, you try to get actual investors on board. Good luck!
Sorry, but XDA isn't here to help you make money, regardless of the cause.
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Greetings and salutations! I'm a new member but have been reading threads on XDA for about a year now. About 6 months ago I decided I wanted to make the jump into tinkering and really learning about android and what makes it tick. I had purchased a Motorola Moto G Stylus 5g Denver Variant, and decided to try and root it and install a custom ROM . Well that was a very tedious task, as some of you may know and a little above my skill set. But I hunkered down and did research and studied to sharpen my aspiring developers sword. I learned about the kernel and a/b slots and so on. Still haven't figured it all out but it hasn't stopped the train. I learned about dsu loaders and GUI 's and hand have installed a few GUI's and even Android 13. I have recently figured out where to find the factory firmware and patched my first factory boot image for flashing. I got stuck on the TWRP part ,since they don't have a official version yet, but haven't got discouraged. Currently researching a few work arounds and am really interested in this "Super Stack" I've heard about but can't seem to find very easily. I guess having this phone model was a great way to throw me into the fire and get the wheels of knowledge moving. A year ago I wouldn't have thought I would be even trying any of this. I always have read Science and Tech related things but never made the leap. Now it's becoming more than a hobby. I'm learning code ,Linux, python, or testing, and a slew of other things . All self taught and out of a passion for knowledge. Not bad for a 40 year old pool man with one year of college lol. I just want to say thank you to all the Developers and Contributers to the XDA platform. Without you, it wouldn't have been possible for me to even begin to do any of these things. The knowledge and other things I have learned from this sight are priceless. And it has given me the push to learn so many other things and different skill sets . Given me a new outlook on life and a passion to follow my dreams. And for that I'm forever thankful. I hope that wasn't to much lol. Thank you!
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Greetings and salutations! I'm a new member but have been reading threads on XDA for about a year now. About 6 months ago I decided I wanted to make the jump into tinkering and really learning about android and what makes it tick. I had purchased a Motorola Moto G Stylus 5g Denver Variant, and decided to try and root it and install a custom ROM . Well that was a very tedious task, as some of you may know and a little above my skill set. But I hunkered down and did research and studied to sharpen my aspiring developers sword. I learned about the kernel and a/b slots and so on. Still haven't figured it all out but it hasn't stopped the train. I learned about dsu loaders and GUI 's and hand have installed a few GUI's and even Android 13. I have recently figured out where to find the factory firmware and patched my first factory boot image for flashing. I got stuck on the TWRP part ,since they don't have a official version yet, but haven't got discouraged. Currently researching a few work arounds and am really interested in this "Super Stack" I've heard about but can't seem to find very easily. I guess having this phone model was a great way to throw me into the fire and get the wheels of knowledge moving. A year ago I wouldn't have thought I would be even trying any of this. I always have read Science and Tech related things but never made the leap. Now it's becoming more than a hobby. I'm learning code ,Linux, python, or testing, and a slew of other things . All self taught and out of a passion for knowledge. Not bad for a 40 year old pool man with one year of college lol. I just want to say thank you to all the Developers and Contributers to the XDA platform. Without you, it wouldn't have been possible for me to even begin to do any of these things. The knowledge and other things I have learned from this sight are priceless. And it has given me the push to learn so many other things and different skill sets . Given me a new outlook on life and a passion to follow my dreams. And for that I'm forever thankful. I hope that wasn't to much lol. Thank you!
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Thats a nice intro!
Welcome aboard Michael