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One Marshmallow user's impressions

http://tomhorsley.com/rants/doze-mode.html
I'm definitely reverting back to 5.1.1 when I get the time and energy to fool with it .

sounds like that was written by someone who hasn't even tried marshmallow yet. I have yet to experience any missed notifications, alarms or any issues relating to time in any way. If some apps are being affected by this then its a sign to the developer to fix their ****ty code because all of my apps relating to time at all have been working just fine and alot of them are still the same version they were on lollipop. Doze has improved my batter significantly. It sounds like this article was probably written by a developer who cant code properly and instead of improving his skills he'd rather complain and convince everyone to stay away from updates because he is unwilling to evolve. Even the article looks like it was written in paint...

I had indeed a wrong time bug some days ago...really strange and worrying, a reboot fixed it. First time ever since Android Froyo that I experienced something like that.

That author seems to think that Marshmallow's Doze is a horrible thing that breaks all apps that rely on background services, namely alarms and notifications, and couldn't possibly be fixed in 10 years (rather than a few months) due to Google's horrible mistake (rather than devs not fixing their code).
Frankly, it sounds like a bunch of hyperbole.
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He's wrong about how doze works. And if he's in the camp that doesn't understand it nor wants to rewrite his app. Then yeh he's the idiot group that Google is targeting and was writing garbage code anyway.

lol complete nonsense, my alarm has worked everyday since i flashed M, even on dev previews...the only issues i have with M are really the "slow to connect wifi when using toggles" and the weird wifi consumption on battery stats

Another annoying issue on M is that if your leave your phone longer in standby mode (display off), wifi turns off and you stop recieving notifications until you turn your phone on again. This is with wifi set to "never turn off", etc.

Kustaa said:
I had indeed a wrong time bug some days ago...really strange and worrying, a reboot fixed it. First time ever since Android Froyo that I experienced something like that.
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This actually happened with me a couple of days back, I was travelling, so I put my phone connected to a power bank and went for a nap, woke up to see phone switched off, switching it on throws me a 2nd September date set on my device. Had to manually set the date as no network was available to automatically set the date from servers.
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Another annoying issue on M is that if your leave your phone longer in standby mode (display off), wifi turns off and you stop recieving notifications until you turn your phone on again. This is with wifi set to "never turn off", etc.
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This I had been noticing these days just because of WhatsApp Web. When in standby, WhatsApp Web shows phone not connected error. Just waking the phone reconnects to the WiFi, but happens every 30-40mins.

I have a feeling that folks who never see these problems have their phones charging at night and doze mode doesn't happen when you are charging. I have no convenient way to charge my phone near my bed, so it is not charging and totally idle all night. Email and messaging completely stops. Only the stock alarm clock works. My medication reminder stops working. It might as well be turned off completely. Plus when you do wake up and turn on the phone, all the pent up alerts come through and scare the hell out of you. I hate doze mode.

Settings -> Battery -> ... (menu)-> Battery Optimization --> All apps --> Select whatsapp, etc... and select not optimized.
Test again.
You're welcome.

I already disabled optimization in the battery settings for all the apps that weren't working. They still don't work after sitting overnight. It looks as if that setting has absolutely no effect.

Claghorn said:
I already disabled optimization in the battery settings for all the apps that weren't working. They still don't work after sitting overnight. It looks as if that setting has absolutely no effect.
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This is a real problem. I tested this on a Nexus 5. The device seems to enter Doze after about 1 hour and this is what happens.
What does work in Doze mode:
- Telephone: call can be heard.
- Alarm: alarm can be heard
What does NOT work in Doze mode:
- Receiving mail notifications directly: it seems to wait for the maintenance window. There is no "ping" from my GMail. No lock screen notification until I picked it up. I turned off battery optimalization as suggested. Like Claghorn says, it doesn't make a difference. When I was sleeping, the time difference between sending the mail and getting a notification can be hours. That is not acceptable: I want to determine whether or not I get a message. I got no control over Doze, except plugging it in. Also, when it sits on the desk at work I need to pick it up or turn the screen on every so often, because I don't know if it "dozed" off again.
Works partially:
- Notification light: It works once mail passes through the maintenance window. It does NOT work before the maintenance window.
I tested all of this with a unrooted, updated Nexus 5. Topic Starter and Claghorn have good points. Why can't I turn this off? I don't want this. I want notification on time, with ping, right now. If I don't I will turn the volume off or set priorities. They could have told me this behavior in a mail or during the update. Important mail from work, family comes in hours late. Not happy with this at all.
Tried all sorts of things, nothing seems to help. And no, battery optimalization is either not enough or has nothing to do with it. I love the Nexus 5. Marshmallow seems to be much smoother than Lollipop. I was happy with the update until I discovered this. Now, I am fustrated. I expect the phone to inform me when I need to be informed. Most days I don't need to save 10% of power anyway. For the first time I want to either root the phone and go back to Lollipop or even Kitkat. I don't know what else can be done. Fustrated.

Dennis de Swart said:
This is a real problem. I tested this on a Nexus 5. The device seems to enter Doze after about 1 hour and this is what happens.
What does work in Doze mode:
- Telephone: call can be heard.
- Alarm: alarm can be heard
What does NOT work in Doze mode:
- Receiving mail notifications directly: it seems to wait for the maintenance window. There is no "ping" from my GMail. No lock screen notification until I picked it up. I turned off battery optimalization as suggested. Like Claghorn says, it doesn't make a difference. When I was sleeping, the time difference between sending the mail and getting a notification can be hours. That is not acceptable: I want to determine whether or not I get a message. I got no control over Doze, except plugging it in. Also, when it sits on the desk at work I need to pick it up or turn the screen on every so often, because I don't know if it "dozed" off again.
Works partially:
- Notification light: It works once mail passes through the maintenance window. It does NOT work before the maintenance window.
I tested all of this with a unrooted, updated Nexus 5. Topic Starter and Claghorn have good points. Why can't I turn this off? I don't want this. I want notification on time, with ping, right now. If I don't I will turn the volume off or set priorities. They could have told me this behavior in a mail or during the update. Important mail from work, family comes in hours late. Not happy with this at all.
Tried all sorts of things, nothing seems to help. And no, battery optimalization is either not enough or has nothing to do with it. I love the Nexus 5. Marshmallow seems to be much smoother than Lollipop. I was happy with the update until I discovered this. Now, I am fustrated. I expect the phone to inform me when I need to be informed. Most days I don't need to save 10% of power anyway. For the first time I want to either root the phone and go back to Lollipop or even Kitkat. I don't know what else can be done. Fustrated.
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A quick suggestion -
You may use Doze Mode Editor and edit the script so that your phone never enters Doze mode.
That way you can enjoy Marshmallow without Doze.
Sent from my Nexus 5

Achilles. said:
A quick suggestion -
You may use Doze Mode Editor and edit the script so that your phone never enters Doze mode.
That way you can enjoy Marshmallow without Doze.
Sent from my Nexus 5
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Thanks, I will look into that. I'd like to keep Mashmallow as a whole if possible. I think it is a good update in general.

OK, I've looked at the doze mode editor thread and I find that the descriptions of the parameters I can set to be totally confusing, however, the flowchart pointed at in that thread seems to indicate that if I set the "inactive_to" value to something like 24 hours, then all the other doze mode nonsense is unlikely to ever happen (because I'll probably turn on my phone at least once every 24 hours). Does that seem like the best way to essentially turn off doze mode?

Claghorn said:
OK, I've looked at the doze mode editor thread and I find that the descriptions of the parameters I can set to be totally confusing, however, the flowchart pointed at in that thread seems to indicate that if I set the "inactive_to" value to something like 24 hours, then all the other doze mode nonsense is unlikely to ever happen (because I'll probably turn on my phone at least once every 24 hours). Does that seem like the best way to essentially turn off doze mode?
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I will look into this over the weekend. I find it odd that there isn't simply a switch to turn Doze off, which is a pity. It seems to me it's part of saving energy in general. A switch under Battery would do nicely. It should not be this complicated. That said, I think the UI of Marshmallow is silky smooth, much better than Lollipop. Marshmallow in general in good. It' just this that annoys me.

i'm baffled by google's aversion to end user config. This kind of b.s. is how I found xda and drove me to become a chronic flashaholic. All or nothin I guess.

ElwOOd_CbGp said:
i'm baffled by google's aversion to end user config. This kind of b.s. is how I found xda and drove me to become a chronic flashaholic. All or nothin I guess.
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I get the feeling Google assumes the customer is a developer. A few examples:
- The Nexus 5 does have a notification light: I didn't know until I read 5 reviews and even then I couldn't find any documentation on it. Needed an external app to get it working.
- Battery indicator: I like to have small numbers indicating battery charge: it could be done by hacking KitKat and Lollipop I think. Then at Marshmallow finally there's a (hidden) switch.
- I don't recall having any user guide in the Nexus 5 package. Not that I needed one. But some landing page doing a walkthrough would have been nice. Although there are some walkthroughs in every app
Not fatal flaws, but you wonder why does it need to be that difficult. It scares people away. Not me. I handed the Nexus 5 to some friends on numerous occasions and most found it too "empty". As for me, I want all developer stuff on. So it suprised me, there is no Doze fine tuning. Again, overall I give the Nexus a 8 or 9 out of 10. It fits me. In general I like it. So it's just constructive criticism. The empty layout and raw speed of the Nexus 5 works good in development of apps afterall.

Last night I ran an adb command (generated by the doze mode editor app) to set inactive_to to 24 hours (86400000 milliseconds). I then set an alarm for the next morning in the "Alarm Clock Plus" app (which completely ceased to function after Marshmallow showed up). This morning, the alarm actually went off on time, but the big "Dismiss" button it draws on the screen was totally non-functional. I had to hit the power button to get control (which then caused a popup saying alarm clock plus was non-responsive). I have no idea what caused all that behavior, but at least the alarm actually went off.
Also, with doze mode essentially disabled (in theory anyway), the power dropped from 100% in the evening all the way down to 97% in the morning.

With the exception to facebook and game type apps, Google's apps are the only ones I find that excessively waste resourxes and need to be forced to sleep. If they would get off the constant location polling, media scanning, and logging or at least tone it down a bit some they wouldnt need to implement thier half baked versions of solutions that they hijacked from xda devs

Notification issue, I can't figure it out.

Ok so I'm on 6.0.1 and for the life of me I can't figure out this spastic notification behavior. When I'm using my phone, notifications come in just fine. However let's say I've left my phone on my desk and come back in an hour and pick up the phone... as soon as I turn the screen on, all the notifications start flying in from the past hour, including all the notification sounds 1 by 1 in quick succession. I've checked all the options I can to see if there is anything related to this behavior but I can't find it.
I've gotten used to iOS where my notifications are always on the screen waiting for me so I can pick up the phone and glance and put back down, without the hoopla of watching them fly in after turn the screen on and listening to all the annoying notification sounds jumbled together. I'm by no means new to Android however. I've owned many but my last was my N5 which got long in the tooth so I switched to a iPhone 6S as my daily driver and have been using my N5 just to play around and keep up with development of my favorite ROMS and apps. I saw the 6 on a really good deal so I decided to pick up it and see what it would be like to have Android as my daily driver again.
Anyhow, all that being said, how do I get the desired outcome of notifications actually coming in when the phone is idle and waiting for me without having to load after I turn the screen on? I'm guessing notifications in 6.0+ are tied to wakelock events but not sure. Any thoughts?

itpromike said:
Ok so I'm on 6.0.1 and for the life of me I can't figure out this spastic notification behavior. When I'm using my phone, notifications come in just fine. However let's say I've left my phone on my desk and come back in an hour and pick up the phone... as soon as I turn the screen on, all the notifications start flying in from the past hour, including all the notification sounds 1 by 1 in quick succession. I've checked all the options I can to see if there is anything related to this behavior but I can't find it.
I've gotten used to iOS where my notifications are always on the screen waiting for me so I can pick up the phone and glance and put back down, without the hoopla of watching them fly in after turn the screen on and listening to all the annoying notification sounds jumbled together. I'm by no means new to Android however. I've owned many but my last was my N5 which got long in the tooth so I switched to a iPhone 6S as my daily driver and have been using my N5 just to play around and keep up with development of my favorite ROMS and apps. I saw the 6 on a really good deal so I decided to pick up it and see what it would be like to have Android as my daily driver again.
Anyhow, all that being said, how do I get the desired outcome of notifications actually coming in when the phone is idle and waiting for me without having to load after I turn the screen on? I'm guessing notifications in 6.0+ are tied to wakelock events but not sure. Any thoughts?
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What you are seeing is androids new doze feature. It puts apps to sleep when the device has been on a flat surface for a long time unmoved. Go into settings/apps/What ever app you want and change the battery priority settings.

zelendel said:
What you are seeing is androids new doze feature. It puts apps to sleep when the device has been on a flat surface for a long time unmoved. Go into settings/apps/What ever app you want and change the battery priority settings.
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Ah OK. I totally forgot about doze... Want aware it was implemented in this manner. All the setting to change this would be in the app/notification section and Rick the "treat add priority" option? The description associates this option with so not disturb mode but it also affects doze too?
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itpromike said:
Ah OK. I totally forgot about doze... Want aware it was implemented in this manner. All the setting to change this would be in the app/notification section and Rick the "treat add priority" option? The description associates this option with so not disturb mode but it also affects doze too?
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Ahh sorry had to find it again. It is under settings/battery then hit the 3dot menu for battery optimization. Then select the app. And change the settings. An easy work around is to plug it in when you will be leaving it for awhile. This disables doze.

itpromike said:
... as soon as I turn the screen on, all the notifications start flying in from the past hour, including all the notification sounds.
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settings - sounds &notifications - nofications ringtone --> none

auto closing high power usage apps bug?

Does anyone experience any problems with this setting on 4.1.3? On my phone if i switch it off it sometimes switches itself back on. It also seems to close down apps without notifying me. They are just greyed out and cannot be cleared or removed. (Podcast republic and swipe). Those two apps are also the reason i want it switched off as they stop functioning properly if on.
It seems to be linked to the power saving auto rotate switch-off bug as it tends to happen most of the time when the auto rotate isn't switched on again when i charge the phone. Anyone else experiencing this?
Phone is not rooted and run on stock rom

Lol everybody learning how to set up the new power savers that the development community has been using since the days of ics.
1st problem sounds like you ambient display enabled which will turn on your phone every time you receive some sort of notification. To fix this simply go into your settings, display and turn off ambient display and don't get it confused with adaptive brightness.
2nd problem to me sounds like you have aggressive doze mode active on all your apps or auto close high power apps. To fix this just go to settings, battery, click the 3 dots next to the refresh symbol near the top right corner, click aggressive doze..., if it's turned on make sure the slider is not enabled next to the apps you desire, hit the back button, click on the 3 dots top right corner again, click on high power usage apps, turn it off if it's on.
These battery savers in the Android os are basically hacked and slashed from development on xda. Greenify did most of these functions alone then if you were to mash greenify with power nap you basically got yourself aggressive doze with closing of high usage apps.
Sadly Google is still behind the curve as the power saver app on my Asus Zenfone 2 does a better job at saving power on lollipop because in addition to hibernating and closing apps it allowed you to turn off networks allowing only phone, sms, and alarm to work after the device is asleep and enabled upon waking or you could do super saving which did the same thing except the network stays disabled the whole time boosting standby time from 92 hrs to 105 hrs
Seriously though the best course of action here if this does not help you is to contact the developer of the app and tell them the issues your having, your device and a detailed log report and you will see better results faster because it's probably just an incompatibility​ due to the new os as apps always have issues with fresh out of the gate os systems and your might not be the only person with this issue but you just might be the only person to point it out for a long time.
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i snort flour said:
Lol everybody learning how to set up the new power savers that the development community has been using since the days of ics.
1st problem sounds like you ambient display enabled which will turn on your phone every time you receive some sort of notification. To fix this simply go into your settings, display and turn off ambient display and don't get it confused with adaptive brightness.
2nd problem to me sounds like you have aggressive doze mode active on all your apps or auto close high power apps. To fix this just go to settings, battery, click the 3 dots next to the refresh symbol near the top right corner, click aggressive doze..., if it's turned on make sure the slider is not enabled next to the apps you desire, hit the back button, click on the 3 dots top right corner again, click on high power usage apps, turn it off if it's on.
These battery savers in the Android os are basically hacked and slashed from development on xda. Greenify did most of these functions alone then if you were to mash greenify with power nap you basically got yourself aggressive doze with closing of high usage apps.
Sadly Google is still behind the curve as the power saver app on my Asus Zenfone 2 does a better job at saving power on lollipop because in addition to hibernating and closing apps it allowed you to turn off networks allowing only phone, sms, and alarm to work after the device is asleep and enabled upon waking or you could do super saving which did the same thing except the network stays disabled the whole time boosting standby time from 92 hrs to 105 hrs
Seriously though the best course of action here if this does not help you is to contact the developer of the app and tell them the issues your having, your device and a detailed log report and you will see better results faster because it's probably just an incompatibility​ due to the new os as apps always have issues with fresh out of the gate os systems and your might not be the only person with this issue but you just might be the only person to point it out for a long time.
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Thanks
A) ambient screen is off already
B) already done that but the apps work better if battery optimisation is on for them than off. They really misbehave if not optimised.
How do I produce the logs? Checking under the specific app under apps doesn't seem to have an app log option.

Eggstones said:
Thanks
A) ambient screen is off already
B) already done that but the apps work better if battery optimisation is on for them than off. They really misbehave if not optimised.
How do I produce the logs? Checking under the specific app under apps doesn't seem to have an app log option.
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Grab a catlog off of the play store they are fairly simple to figure out and they are free. I can't remember for sure but I believe I liked logcat the best as it provided a better ui with a more detailed and easier to read log.
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Eggstones said:
Thanks
A) ambient screen is off already
B) already done that but the apps work better if battery optimisation is on for them than off. They really misbehave if not optimised.
How do I produce the logs? Checking under the specific app under apps doesn't seem to have an app log option.
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That's weird that it keeps turning back on hopefully it's not a hardware issue. Most likely due to a rogue incompatible app. Also if you haven't already done so check for an update and make sure you have the latest version and if that don't work the last thing I could think of to try would be to download the latest update and put it on your phone somewhere you can remember, reboot into recovery and erase your cache and perform a factory reset followed by another cache wipe just to be sure. Then select install update from zip file, navigate to it's directory and open it, allow it install the update and after it completely has finished booting don't use it but keep the screen from turning off for about 2 minutes
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Sorry I can't be of more help to you but I just got my phone today and I'm on the oos 4.1.3 and mine is doing just fine so far but I don't sync mail, push notifications, or use any social media which drain your battery like a hooker with your bank account. So far I'm at 10+ hrs uptime with 4 hrs of sot sitting at 66% battery life with an estimated 20 hrs left.
hope you find your problem or at least know where you got take your issue to which will be discovered in your cat log so you will know if it's the apps, kernels, os or hardware that is to blame and be able to address it to the proper source.
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Background processes killing. Is it problematic for you?

Reading this https://dontkillmyapp.com/oneplus I'm left wondering if some strange behaviour I'm seeing could be motivated by this.
For instance, I've been using for several years this app, Stay Alive: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.synetics.stay.alive
It gives you the option of having the screen not turning itself off when charging. It's crucial in the car, where I have a dock mounted and use the phone for navigation, music playback, etc.
On my previous Nexus 6P the app worked flawlessly. With 6T sometimes the screen turns off and then it turn itself on once more, as if the process got killed and then restarted.
I have the "don't optimize" option activated for Stay Alive.
There are other strange behaviours I'm seeing, with Tasker for instance. And the nagging feeling that they might depend on background process handling at the OS level.
I recently did turn off Battery/Battery Optimisation/Advanced Optimisation/Deep Optimisation and Sleep standby optimisation, hoping to get better results. I still haven't reached a conclusion about it.
I have to say that it's pretty annoying to have the phone decide for you what should be happening for apps. For instance, I had Firefox in the "Don't optimize" category but it still had problems with opening new pages after a while. Turning off the above two options seems to have cured the problem but if that is needed I wonder what the heck "Don't optimise" mean for OnePlus.
I hope to get to the bottom of this as, quite frankly, not having the phone "act on his own" behind the scenes is exactly why I chose Android as my OS.

gorman42 said:
Reading this https://dontkillmyapp.com/oneplus I'm left wondering if some strange behaviour I'm seeing could be motivated by this.
For instance, I've been using for several years this app, Stay Alive: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.synetics.stay.alive
It gives you the option of having the screen not turning itself off when charging. It's crucial in the car, where I have a dock mounted and use the phone for navigation, music playback, etc.
On my previous Nexus 6P the app worked flawlessly. With 6T sometimes the screen turns off and then it turn itself on once more, as if the process got killed and then restarted.
I have the "don't optimize" option activated for Stay Alive.
There are other strange behaviours I'm seeing, with Tasker for instance. And the nagging feeling that they might depend on background process handling at the OS level.
I recently did turn off Battery/Battery Optimisation/Advanced Optimisation/Deep Optimisation and Sleep standby optimisation, hoping to get better results. I still haven't reached a conclusion about it.
I have to say that it's pretty annoying to have the phone decides for you what should be happening for apps. For instance, I had Firefox in the "Don't optimize" category but it still had problems with opening new pages after a while. Turning off the above two options seems to have cured the problem but if that is needed I wonder what the heck "Don't optimise" mean for OnePlus.
I hope to get to the bottom of this as, quite frankly, not having the phone "act on his own" behind the scenes is exactly why I chose Android as my OS.
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Thank you for this.
I've been feeling stupid having all these issues of pass getting killed in the background.
For me proper working phone is more important than battery life. I can easily get one whole day 6AM-11PM with around 30% battery left.
I would be ok if the apps won't get killed and I have say, 10% battery left at the end of the day.

I also don't understand this, it's what I really dislike about the OnePlus phones. In earlier Android versions it was always adviced not to use app killers because the Android OS knows best when to kill an app. Now OnePlus is doing exactly this, and then call it an optimization... [emoji848]
But @gorman42 are you aware of the option System - Developer Options - Stay Awake?

rmaathuis said:
I also don't understand this, it's what I really dislike about the OnePlus phones. In earlier Android versions it was always adviced not to use app killers because the Android OS knows best when to kill an app. Now OnePlus is doing exactly this, and then call it an optimization... [emoji848]
But @gorman42 are you aware of the option System - Developer Options - Stay Awake?
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I want to say you're right but it's not only OnePlus that has too aggressive background killing. Google put optimization into Android a couple of years ago and they can't seem to hit a perfect medium between both. I'm sick of switching apps and then going back into an app a couple of minutes later to just have to start at the top of the feed again. It's annoying and it's happened with my 6t, Moto z, Droid turbo, lg g4, and my Galaxy s6 when they were all in their "prime". I think it boils down to Google ultimately

Turn off adaptive battery and on your apps you absolutely want untouched selectDon't optimize under battery > battery optimizations. After doing that I have what is consider a normal experience.

rmaathuis said:
But @gorman42 are you aware of the option System - Developer Options - Stay Awake?
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Yes, I am. But the screen dims. It doesn't turn off but it dims. For in car navigation that is clearly undesired.
I wonder whether rooting would give me back the control I need through some third party modification...

Aridon said:
Turn off adaptive battery and on your apps you absolutely want untouched selectDon't optimize under battery > battery optimizations. After doing that I have what is consider a normal experience.
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But if you read my post... I do have "Don't optimize" selected for relevant apps. It still doesn't seem to solve the problems I'm having.
Now I've turned off Adaptive Battery too. Let's see if it makes any difference.

Whats solitions.
İ open accebility settings for any app and closed automatical..
Whyy
I'm sorry for my bad english

gorman42 said:
But if you read my post... I do have "Don't optimize" selected for relevant apps. It still doesn't seem to solve the problems I'm having.
Now I've turned off Adaptive Battery too. Let's see if it makes any difference.
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You find solitions ?
I'm sorry for my bad english

gorman42 said:
But if you read my post... I do have "Don't optimize" selected for relevant apps. It still doesn't seem to solve the problems I'm having.
Now I've turned off Adaptive Battery too. Let's see if it makes any difference.
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What most of the times work for for me is open the app, then go to recent app management, click on the 3 dots in the upper right corner above the app and choose lock.
And thanks for the tip of this app, because of company policy "stay awake" was disabled on my device and this app overrides it (Earlier I tried 2 or 3 similar apps but they didn't work, this one does).

gorman42 said:
I wonder whether rooting would give me back the control I need through some third party modification...
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You really shouldn't have to modify your phone to, by chance, fix what OnePlus did (same could be said about other OEMs too, but that's besides the point right now). OnePlus needs to fix this issue, which has been an ongoing thing in their ROMs for over two years.
It's a shame that it takes a few app devs getting bad reviews on their apps to come up with a website pointing out the offenders of aggressive app management, with OnePlus being number 2 on the list for this issue to pick up traction, despite numerous users reporting about it on their forum and via in-app feedback for so long.
I said it before, and I'll say it again: Compared to OxygenOS on the 3T, OxygenOS nowadays has become so nice to use on the 6T that I don't have a need to root anymore. It's just this issue that really hampers it.

I fell in love with OnePlus when I bought my very first OnePlus phone, the OnePlus 3T. I've since then owned the OnePlus 5T and 6T. Unfortunately I've been disappointed with both because of this specific issue. If they don't resolve this issue within the lifetime of my 6T I feel obligated to start looking for something other than a OnePlus phone next Such a shame, as I love everything else about OnePlus and OxygenOS.

While investigating this I stumbled upon a setting in Developer Options.
Here’s the description and explanation: https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-use-android-pie-standby-apps/
Problem is, with 6T all apps are stuck to ACTIVE status, you can’t modify their status. I guess this could point to OnePlus messing with regular Android power management.

gorman42 said:
While investigating this I stumbled upon a setting in Developer Options.
Here’s the description and explanation: https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-use-android-pie-standby-apps/
Problem is, with 6T all apps are stuck to ACTIVE status, you can’t modify their status. I guess this could point to OnePlus messing with regular Android power management.
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Are you sure you can't modify the settings, I've tried it and let's me change as per the link you posted?
I agree with you guys the app management is pretty aggressive.

wilpang said:
Are you sure you can't modify the settings, I've tried it and let's me change as per the link you posted?
I agree with you guys the app management is pretty aggressive.
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Yeah, I tried before writing here.
It happens when you disable Adaptive Battery. If Adaptive Battery is enabled, those settings are active.

I have the same issues with several apps (Tasker, Gravity Screen, Whatsapo (Web)...). The apps was running perfectly on my old lg g4 but on the OPO 6T they gets killed too often. Also disabled adaptive Battery and set those apps to dont optimize. But this doesnt helps....
In previous OOS on the 5T there was an setting for background apps count in developer options, this is sadly gone on our 6T. Is there a way to use this option also when removed from dev options?
(maybe editing some files).
Thx
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Yes this is very unfortunate.. sometimes I even miss calls and they straight to voicemail

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Reading this I'm left wondering if some strange behaviour I'm seeing could be motivated by this.
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Yes, it is a problem for me. Never had a phone with such aggressive battery management. It even periodically kills my wifi for no reason.

There are 3 settings under Settings > Battery:
1. Battery Saver
2. Battery optimization
3. Adaptive Battery
I have been able to get a somewhat 'normal' experience after turning all 3 options off for Whatsapp, Tasker, etc... For some programs, it seems that it needs to be started, and left running without closing the program in 'Recentd's..
I am rooted and use Greenify to close programs that I want killed when in the background..

@gorman42
Why do you need this staying-alive app?
Google Maps and Waze already make the device's screen stay awake while navigating...

List your issues with P30 Pro

Not sure if this is permitted by the mods, but let's make a list of issues and bugs you experience on your P30 Pro. It's a fantastic device, but every now and then I run into, or hear about some stupid issue that impacts the overall experience, but probably could be fixed if reported.
Two of my biggest issues right now:
screen gets unresponsive at times in the bottom left corner
sometimes when I pull down WhatsApp notifications, if there are more of them they get stuck on the screen and won't pull back up, not even using the back key, only swiping them one by one gets them off the screen

My only issue: Having to pay to a rip off like FunkyHuawei to get my official updates!

JazonX said:
My only issue: Having to pay to a rip off like FunkyHuawei to get my official updates!
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I followed the instructions in the link to the thread below to get the latest updates.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/hu...orial-vog-l29-flash-firmware-153-usb-t3928793

Ghost vibrations.. I have turned off vibrations now since it does vibrate without getting notifications like once or twice/hour or 2...

Updates from Huawei seem very staggered, seem to mainly be looking after their own country who seem to be about 3 firmware’s ahead of a lot of other places. i know a lot are getting v153 now but why are a lot going straight from 124 to 153 yet some places got fw's in-between in the 140's? i am currently on 124 and my provider EE in the uk say they still haven’t received any newer fw from Huawei since v124.
Issues with screen response, sometimes i have to tap home button a couple of times for it to register, same with some notifications when i unlock the screen, having to tap them a few times.
The software is really rubbish compared to Samsung, i have only just come over to Huawei from Samsung, i had an s8 and it had not long got One Ui, and that genuinely felt more developed, faster and smoother on my s8 that one this p30 pro.
There’s been a couple of times i have contacted the Huawei chat on the Hicare app and they are really funny cause whatever i tell them my issue is they seem to always want me to completely reset my device.
I keep getting really annoying gray bubble pop up notifications telling me apps have been blocked from showing their dropzone and other notifications similar that i know has happened, like sound has been changed etc, not sure how to turn them off cause i don't need them to keep telling me.
I don't understand why Huawei would release a flagship phone and not have the software just feel complete and nice because at the end of the day it’s that which you pretty much judge the phone on.
I guess i also don't like that there seems to be too many settings to change and turn off to make the phone useable, that’s why doing a flash that wipes the phone is really putting me off doing that and using the method that’s being used at the moment to update to 153 via the OTG method.
The screen auto brightness bug that’s not a bug according to huawei and is a feature? The fact that every time i restart my phone i turn auto brightness off and then it comes back on every restart! It really makes me laugh that they think forcing you to have to do that every time you restart is a good feature to have. They say it saves power so it good, yes if you leave it on! i was talking to them and said well the slider is there to have auto on or not so if people wanted it on, they would leave it on would they not? It’s not the biggest issue in the world but it’s fun arguing with them about it, it does annoy me though lol

My issue is simple, EMUI.
Coming from an S10 and oneUI and mix 3 with miui made me realize how bad EMUI is in everything, cloning iOS, native apps like dialer gallery calendar, missed up setrings, Crippled animations (this is a huge one) and notifications. Stupid decissions like launching the camera with volume down. Many many things
I just wish Huawei support at least native Android interface, animations and gestures

Hello,
I have P30 Pro L29 Global
256GB with 8GB of RAM
Update 9.1.0.140
My issue previouly was huge battery drain which makes no sense for p30 pro to run out of battery at 7pm (100% at 7.00am) for moderate usage.
So I have tried clearing cache partition and factory reset several times to find out the culprit. It seems the battery drain stops when I factory reset and did not restore anything from HiSuite (I start fresh).
Setting > Battery > Usage
What I noticed was that the battery drain seems to happen when "Phone Services" at 34% usage. Initially I thought it was normal but after comparing with the p30 pro's of my colleague, her "Phone Services" always lower than 2% usage.
The main culprit that i suspected was Carrier Services which I didn't update till this day in playstore.
I also stop the Carrier Services in Developer mode 1 time.
Until now my battery life is superb. Lasting me 30 hours of moderate usage (still have 37%) at the time I recharge.
Sent from my VOG-L29 using Tapatalk

- Firmware updates are messed up, they need to fix this
- Annoying beeps without any notification icon
- Memory management is way to agressive (softphones like skype keep missing calls)
- Native android options are missing
- Response to back button or home button is sometimes not working only after after pressing it multiple times it works.
All above can easily be fixed, the real question is will they fix it ?

Issues i have is that sometimes when i m fast typing a message the keyboard disappeared(i m using gestures, I don't know if this is the case) and the AOD with smart view flip case issue. Other than that i have zero issues, extreme great battery life 2 full days with normal use(facebook ,instagram ,mail ,chatting, light gaming e.t.c.) and 35% left or 1+ day heavy usage. I m coming from p20 pro and yes at the beginning i was very fraustrating with emui and how it works, but after learned and used to it, i loved it(it should be smoother though). My major complain is the lack of notification led, I missed it soooo much.

I have the P30 Pro, VOG-AL10, 8GB/512GB model; gifted from a friend
I have a couple annoyances
1) My biggest problem (along with any other mainland Android phone I've owned) is there is no way to force full encryption. You can only add stuff to the "safe."
2) My second annoyance is the aggressive power management. I've done a lot of my own tweaking so it doesn't force close my Cisco AnyConnect client for example. I use LastPass for password management and for whatever reason, whenever I re-open the app it requires I use my 2FA again even when I choose remember for 30 days. I don't know if this is a LastPass problem or what. The only way to keep it from resetting is to keep it active in my open apps.
3) Even though I use Chrome as the default browser, for certain tasks (like using a WiFi hotspot that requires registration), it will still open in the default browser which you need to accept their TOS to use...
4) I use SwiftKeys as my default keyboard. I have the Huawei IME unchecked. I use the phone, after a while the Huawei IME will get enabled again.

The BIGGEST issue I am facing is the lack of the Camera2.API implementation with the p30 pro

papavales said:
Issues i have is that sometimes when i m fast typing a message the keyboard disappeared(i m using gestures, I don't know if this is the case) and the AOD with smart view flip case issue. Other than that i have zero issues, extreme great battery life 2 full days with normal use(facebook ,instagram ,mail ,chatting, light gaming e.t.c.) and 35% left or 1+ day heavy usage. I m coming from p20 pro and yes at the beginning i was very fraustrating with emui and how it works, but after learned and used to it, i loved it(it should be smoother though). My major complain is the lack of notification led, I missed it soooo much.
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I've this problem when typing while using Whatsapp I don't know why but sometimes I go to the home screen accidentally while I'm typing

Supreme_One said:
I've this problem when typing while using Whatsapp I don't know why but sometimes I go to the home screen accidentally while I'm typing
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Yes exactly. Do you also use gestures?

papavales said:
Yes exactly. Do you also use gestures?
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Not anymore

JazonX said:
My only issue: Having to pay to a rip off like FunkyHuawei to get my official updates!
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Even doing that you can render certain features unusable since they aren't certified so saftey net fails meaning some games, banking apps and g pay won't work. I've reset using the USB method mentioned and have everything back to normal. Just going to be patient instead of blowing cash and wrecking stuff.
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I think aperture mode is rubbish. Really poor quality, unless anyone has any suggestion to improve it. However just standard photos of objects seems to have fairly decent bokeh by default so use that as a kind of object portrait mode.

Elvent said:
Hello,
I have P30 Pro L29 Global
256GB with 8GB of RAM
Update 9.1.0.140
My issue previouly was huge battery drain which makes no sense for p30 pro to run out of battery at 7pm (100% at 7.00am) for moderate usage.
So I have tried clearing cache partition and factory reset several times to find out the culprit. It seems the battery drain stops when I factory reset and did not restore anything from HiSuite (I start fresh).
Setting > Battery > Usage
What I noticed was that the battery drain seems to happen when "Phone Services" at 34% usage. Initially I thought it was normal but after comparing with the p30 pro's of my colleague, her "Phone Services" always lower than 2% usage.
The main culprit that i suspected was Carrier Services which I didn't update till this day in playstore.
I also stop the Carrier Services in Developer mode 1 time.
Until now my battery life is superb. Lasting me 30 hours of moderate usage (still have 37%) at the time I recharge.
Sent from my VOG-L29 using Tapatalk
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I am not sure I understand what your problem was precisely and how did you solve it?

drcldrcl said:
I am not sure I understand what your problem was precisely and how did you solve it?
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Issue : abnormal Battery Drain & The device heat up when I connect to other bluetooth device (which never happened on my mate 20)
I want to put a screenshot here to let you guys see what i mean. but still dont have permission.
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Android Auto doesn't work most of the time, and when it does, it stops working after a couple of minutes.

1) No Bootloader unlock
2) No way to set Alarm tone Globally
3) Missing an option to install firmware manually
4) Change volume without preview sound
5) Some basic apps are not system apps and when uninstalling them having no way of getting them back (not available on PlayStore, AppStore)

Im on 9.1.0.131 firmware.
My problems are:
1. Phone sometimes vibrates without any notification icon
2. Proximity sensor doesn't work sometimes during phone calls. The screen is lit up the whole time Im on my phone
3. The slow motion videos at higher fps are of ****ty quality
4. Opening up the apps from notifications panel doesn't response sometimes and the respective app doesn't open up
Though I dont have any issues like other mentioned like battery draining, heating up etc