I, once in a while, try to fiddle with my phones to improve performance but often get discouraged with the various terms and lingo used in posts I come across. I figured it's just better to join a group of people who know way more than I do and can help out if needed.
One things for sure, being in your 50's doesn't make it any easier
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I, once in a while, try to fiddle with my phones to improve performance but often get discouraged with the various terms and lingo used in posts I come across. I figured it's just better to join a group of people who know way more than I do and can help out if needed.
One things for sure, being in your 4 's doesn't make it any easier
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hey guys, thought id open this up for collaboration, I started guide that will help beginners determine what ROM to install and if they have what they need to begin the process.
In 10 questions or less, Hunch will offer you a great solution to your problem, concern or dilemma, on hundreds of topics. Hunch's answers are based on the collective knowledge of the entire Hunch community, narrowed down to people like you, or just enough like you that you might be mistaken for each other in a dark room. Hunch is designed so that every time it's used, it learns something new. That means Hunch's hunches are always getting better.
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http://hunch.com/android-rom/
also read... http://hunch.com/info/how-hunch-works/
feel free to sign up for an account and contribute, or help keep it up to date. it could be a good thing for the community.
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Good idea, but could use some work. I feel like it had too little questions to judge which rom would be best for me.
I'm posting this in the Development section because that is what I am trying to learn about. Please move me if I am mis-posting this.
I'm greatly interested in the the Roms people are making and everything that is being done on these forums. If someone wanted to start to learn about these things, developing and such, where should they start? Do I need to learn Java? Are there certain books I should be reading?
I can flash my phone like its my day job now, and I haven't come across any major problems I couldn't solve by reading, but I have no idea where to start to be able to develop things myself. If any developers here could maybe throw out a few tips on how to get started, what someone should focus on learning, etc., it would be greatly appreciated! I have plenty of time and a great desire to learn so I'm not intimidated by having to do the work, I just have to have some things to focus on. Thank you in advance for any help/advice you can give me!
I always wanted to know how make roms also I was looking around the internet but couldn't find anything that will describe it step by step word for word.
Maccie
It will be a huge writeup.But im sure someone will do it. I am still learning myself. There are some good topics around but different from what we have now
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I'm posting this in the Development section because that is what I am trying to learn about. Please move me if I am mis-posting this.
I'm greatly interested in the the Roms people are making and everything that is being done on these forums. If someone wanted to start to learn about these things, developing and such, where should they start? Do I need to learn Java? Are there certain books I should be reading?
I can flash my phone like its my day job now, and I haven't come across any major problems I couldn't solve by reading, but I have no idea where to start to be able to develop things myself. If any developers here could maybe throw out a few tips on how to get started, what someone should focus on learning, etc., it would be greatly appreciated! I have plenty of time and a great desire to learn so I'm not intimidated by having to do the work, I just have to have some things to focus on. Thank you in advance for any help/advice you can give me!
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There are a number of aspects to android development you have to learn to know how to build a full ROM from scratch. C is of course required for kernel building, and apps are built from java in the dalvik-vm, but can be built against sun java.
of course, to get started, you would need the android sdk available here: http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html
then there's the cloning of the android git:
http://android.git.kernel.org/
and, specifically for the captivate, there's the captivate source code:
http://opensource.samsung.com/
then there's pulling off the vendor proprietary libs from your phone (which is a ***** and I believe you can grab them from wes's github, though I can't speak for their accuracy) here:
http://github.com/wesgarner/proprietary_vendor_samsung
building the entire android OS from source is a challenge, especially compensating for some changes Samsung has introduced. this is what a real ROM is. now if you're talking about "ROM"s like Cognition and Shep's and even Eugene's Hybrid/Frankin-Twiz... they aren't comparable. Not to belittle any of their efforts, but this is simple "drag and drop" from stuff built by Samsung. While they're very useful tools, there is little actual development going on in them. There are improvements and tweaks, for sure... but it isn't a *true* ROM. All these releases by DesignGears, Eugene, and Shep are good and effective, but it'd be a shame if they weren't because they are just files thrown together from Samsung's already compiled ROM(s). Even the AOSP Beta 3 (which I have a qualm with the name, because it isn't actually AOSP, it's files pulled from an already built AOSP tossed onto Samsung's ROM again) is just modifying binaries (decompile, edit, recompile).
for those, it's as simple as extracting the zip, replacing the files you want, and rezip it. modifying the update-script inside meta-inf if there's something you want to add.
Awesome post Kaik, thanks, I was wondering some of those too.
Thx that explained a bunch
Maccie
Thank you for taking the time to post that Kaik! It's nice to have a place to start! Anyone else have any tips or things they think might be good to check out?
last, but certainly not least and I can't believe I forgot this, is Unhelpful's toolchain to compile against:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=761923
he did a lot of testing with various combinations, and this was the best he found to reduce wakeup lag and other issues
Wow. Kaik. That was the most awesome response to that question I have ever seen. Most people just point to developer.android.com and say go learn to program and come back in 5 years.
Thank you for this very useful information. Your the man now dog.
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Most people just point to developer.android.com and say go learn to program and come back in 5 years.
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Devs are not being mean or pissy, they are being honest and realistic. If development was just "point and click" XDA would not even be here. Give the devs/veterans a break and take it upon yourself to learn the basics and do some searches, if you are that interested.
I would love to just start making my own Android OS just the way I like too but to do that will require much more reading and learning, trying and failing.
You will probably not find "the answer" you are looking for but if you search, read and most importantly, respect the time, energy and anguish people have put into this site you will find the means to get where you want.
Otherwise you can expect... "Let me just glance and peek to see how to do this. Damn what the hell does that mean? Oh well here is a modded ROM. I'll try that. Jeez, that sucks. How do I make my own? Let me just glance and peek to see how to do this. Damn what the hell does that mean? Oh well ..." It is an endless cycle.
I'm not saying this to belittle anyone. Most have been there, including myself. I say this as a vote of confidence to all.
Hang in there, do the work, break some phones, read some books. Really! You have to!
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Devs are not being mean or pissy, they are being honest and realistic. If development was just "point and click" XDA would not even be here. Give the devs/veterans a break and take it upon yourself to learn the basics and do some searches, if you are that interested.
I would love to just start making my own Android OS just the way I like too but to do that will require much more reading and learning, trying and failing.
You will probably not find "the answer" you are looking for but if you search, read and most importantly, respect the time, energy and anguish people have put into this site you will find the means to get where you want.
Otherwise you can expect... "Let me just glance and peek to see how to do this. Damn what the hell does that mean? Oh well here is a modded ROM. I'll try that. Jeez, that sucks. How do I make my own? Let me just glance and peek to see how to do this. Damn what the hell does that mean? Oh well ..." It is an endless cycle.
I'm not saying this to belittle anyone. Most have been there, including myself. I say this as a vote of confidence to all.
Hang in there, do the work, break some phones, read some books. Really! You have to!
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this times one thousand. I linked you guys to some very useful sites when it comes to actually putting android together... but understanding how it all works, actually getting a successful build, fixing bugs, etc... I can't even begin to pretend to be able to help with that. if you have little to no experience in C and Java, these things will basically be useless to you. dev's aren't being mean when they brush you off like that, but usually if you can't figure out how to google what to do with the code, they don't have high hopes for what you'll be able to do with it once you find the code.
the idea isn't to be like "f*** off" when they say that, it's more of a "we'll help you when you learn, but you're the one who needs to take the first steps and you need to take the responsibility of learning on yourself."
I was actually referring to the fact that someone like me, a hobbyist programmer for about 10 years now, can make sense of his reply and use it to go forth and actually do something. Most of the guides you find on here that are supposedly pointed at noobs, do not layout things as easily as his post did.
Wasn't criticizing anyone, but I have seen less patience nowadays for any posts such as these.
Was just saying it was a gem of a post for me personally. Maybe it doesn't help the ultra noobs and the more experienced people see it as useless, but for someone with little time right now, it was a perfect post for me.
Hi,
Just wondering which ICS rom you guys have got the best battery life out of?
I've tried AOKP Milestone 6 & CM9 20120727 both.
Must say the AOKP had better battery. Could easily cross 24+ hours
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Hi,
Just wondering which ICS rom you guys have got the best battery life out of?
I've tried AOKP Milestone 6 & CM9 20120727 both.
Must say the AOKP had better battery. Could easily cross 24+ hours
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wesleyel said:
Rather than get upset, why don't you point him in the right direction Chris. Just give him the link to the post you think is relevant. Your a senior member what seems easy for you might be difficult for another. Pls just take it easy on the newbies and guide them right.
Nb: I know its annoying, I get upset too at the ridiculous post at times but I just try to keep my cool, we all should.
Cheers bro
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I owe an apology that I have been to rough in my comments here and agree with wesleyel. It IS more important to guide rather than growl.
I might have forgotten my own postings and I might have more experience from several forums, so I should know better. Also, to our most welcome new members: Read, then read more. Search and use the varst source of information before you post. Many times the answer is right infront of you, or asked/posted earlier in the same thread. If you do look else where you will also benefit from picking up more that you can share, even solve some problems too.
I keep going on with this a bit because it makes it easier for all of us to get proper info faster without having to read about topics spilled all over the place.
Also, reflect a second over what you are asking about/for. Is there a possibility in getting a scientific and correct answere? Like battery backup i ty is very hard to reach such a result because of how we use and set our piece. Maybe you would like to ask around benchmarking instead and take part in how to set rules around this instead?
Just a bit if brain food and trying to be construtive around the subject of posting and such. Peace to all!
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That post is for best custom ROM.
That can be different for different people. Some want ROM for gaming, others stability, others battery, other overall performance.
I was specifically interested in knowing about battery life as I have noticed that even with the same settings SetCPU, display etc each custom ROM gives a different battery output.
I travel a lot and battery life is very important for me.
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I owe an apology that I have been to rough in my comments here and agree with wesleyel. It IS more important to guide rather than growl.
I might have forgotten my own postings and I might have more experience from several forums, so I should know better. Also, to our most welcome new members: Read, then read more. Search and use the varst source of information before you post. Many times the answer is right infront of you, or asked/posted earlier in the same thread. If you do look else where you will also benefit from picking up more that you can share, even solve some problems too.
I keep going on with this a bit because it makes it easier for all of us to get proper info faster without having to read about topics spilled all over the place.
Also, reflect a second over what you are asking about/for. Is there a possibility in getting a scientific and correct answere? Like battery backup i ty is very hard to reach such a result because of how we use and set our piece. Maybe you would like to ask around benchmarking instead and take part in how to set rules around this instead?
Just a bit if brain food and trying to be construtive around the subject of posting and such. Peace to all!
Sent from my FIH-FB0 using xda app-developers app
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Hello all. Allow me to introduce myself, I am Mansevolver, and I came here from overclock.net; I was a Aircooling and News Editor there, but have since relinquished my position and titles there. I'm still active in the Enthusiast computing scene for my personal life, but my online en devours have lead me to Handsets, and modifications pertaining to them.
I build, overclock, and benchmark computers, and I'm quite competent with tech.
Iv'e come here in hope to learn how to root my Epic 4G Touch. My goals with it are to remove and optimize my device to increase speed and battery life.
Again, I'm a desktop computer person, so forgive me if I don't know the terminology or if I don't know something about 'em.
I assume I would have to do a Root and remove software, programs, ECT, in order to cut down on background application uses, and RAM usage?
This is a two-in-one thread, both introducing myself, and trying to figure out what I will want/need to do.
(I'm also more then willing to assist anyone here with hardcore overclocking, or anything in regards to PC gaming.
I apologize for any spelling or grammar errors, I don't know much to say; for the sake of "TL;DR"
I'm familiar with computers and not phones.
I want to learn about handsets and networks.
I want to Root my handset.
I will help anyone with what I specialize in.
Hopefully I can learn, and as well contribute to XDA.
Bump.
Moved to General.
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Moved to General.
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Thank you.
Please start here: [GUIDE] How to be a New User (and not a noob)
Then go here: Epic 4G Touch Forums
Good Luck!
I would suggest going to the phones personal forum on here, and at the top there probly will be a sticky with a guide on how to root your phone.
They are very good guides.
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Hi guys, may i speak a little bit of my mind?
I've been on XDA for quite a moment now, forget about not contributing to any development please , and i do know one very simple ground rule: SEARCH!!!!!!
But from my time here i realise searching for something and getting the right answer here on XDA does requires getting the keywords right + if to minimise the scope,search in the right forum and thread. The experience is not something Google offers.
Thus alot of times this has happened to myself, especially newbies, forget or skips searching every single forums and threads, looking through a 40 page thread just for the 1 sentence answer. And the result, lots of angry 'old birds' and mods.
Thus can i suggest setting up some kind of Knowledge Base forum or thread? This KB will the centralise of all the essence of developments, bugs, fixes that exists in this forum modified by a Mod/Admin only. Something like a library.
Having a Knowledge Base will really be helpful to (budding) developers as well as technology leechers like me :laugh: It reduces effort wasted on searching high and low to the lesser extend, but really dealing REPEATIVELY to replying the same old questions with the same old answer. Just tell people to look at the knowledge base and that's it, no more reason and cause to post repeatative questions. It is different to the stickies existing now. Users still has to look page by page for their answer.
Ok I shall end my whine here now. Thanks for allowing me let off my mind.
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Hi guys, may i speak a little bit of my mind?
I've been on XDA for quite a moment now, forget about not contributing to any development please , and i do know one very simple ground rule: SEARCH!!!!!!
But from my time here i realise searching for something and getting the right answer here on XDA does requires getting the keywords right + if to minimise the scope,search in the right forum and thread. The experience is not something Google offers.
Thus alot of times this has happened to myself, especially newbies, forget or skips searching every single forums and threads, looking through a 40 page thread just for the 1 sentence answer. And the result, lots of angry 'old birds' and mods.
Thus can i suggest setting up some kind of Knowledge Base forum or thread? This KB will the centralise of all the essence of developments, bugs, fixes that exists in this forum modified by a Mod/Admin only. Something like a library.
Having a Knowledge Base will really be helpful to (budding) developers as well as technology leechers like me :laugh: It reduces effort wasted on searching high and low to the lesser extend, but really dealing REPEATIVELY to replying the same old questions with the same old answer. Just tell people to look at the knowledge base and that's it, no more reason and cause to post repeatative questions. It is different to the stickies existing now. Users still has to look page by page for their answer.
Ok I shall end my whine here now. Thanks for allowing me let off my mind.
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Sounds like a good idea.I think you're free to set up a thread like this, where you cover the most important questions and deliver some troubleshooting.
good idea,+1
from experience i know that using any search system can be daunting without correct (key)words so great idea +1:good :good:
Its a good idea. But then, its not like we have tons of roms out. And its not like we have that many bugs on the phone.
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Sounds like a good idea.I think you're free to set up a thread like this, where you cover the most important questions and deliver some troubleshooting.
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Yes. but my point of having it managed and maintained solely by a mod/admin is for the knowledge base not to be 'polluted' by questions and answers. Kinda like a locked thread.
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Its a good idea. But then, its not like we have tons of roms out. And its not like we have that many bugs on the phone.
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Understand. Perhaps this idea can be utilised at other places of XDA or the entire XDA which im sure with all materials centralised and summerised into a mega knowledge base will be very very awesome.
I think a FAQ can helpful and it will sure help new people.
Creating a KB can be a heavy time consuming job even though we don't many roms.
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Every new users or users that isn't active should be forced to watch the "You are a Noob" video till the END the first ten times they try to post a comment...
Then there would be no excuse not to search before asking dumb questions that have been answered a thousand times..