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ok, at 3.6" and 320x240, O2 Exec/JasJar is one of top contenders.
Nokia 9300 is about 4", 640x200 but non-square.
Any others? Budget is of no concern.
If 3-4" of screen is not big enough for you as a phone, you may be interested in FlyBook: 8.9" 16x9 screen (Tri-Band too)
http://www.flybook.biz/en/?section=generic&page=specs
mpman2k said:
If 3-4" of screen is not big enough for you as a phone, you may be interested in FlyBook: 8.9" 16x9 screen (Tri-Band too)
http://www.flybook.biz/en/?section=generic&page=specs
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*Bwahahahahahaha ...*
Sorry ... just had this mental image of holding up a 1.2kg 'mini-laptop' to the side of my head in order to make a phone call. 8)
agree,... i have Dell Notebook LCD Size 15" and connected to GSM... i wont bring it to a public place just to make a phone call. is it same right? kidding, smile...
I love my PPC
Well I was in Paris having a beer when I saw this guy holding his 15" laptop to his ear and talking. He must have been on wifi and with sype.
So I would thing that a laptop with gsm and a 100" External display would be it.
http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/08/lg-philips-unveils-100-inch-lcd-display/
actually u guys have the right idea.
there are PC Card (PCMCIA) based GPRS/GSM modules.
Pop it into a mini tablet PC, and voila!
I'll see what Tablets are out there in 6-8" size...
My guess is that this is probably a leading candidate -- it's a 19-inch Zenith with Space Phone (a wired speakerphone built into the TV, activated via the remote).
3waygeek said:
My guess is that this is probably a leading candidate -- it's a 19-inch Zenith with Space Phone (a wired speakerphone built into the TV, activated via the remote).
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:!: *phwhooaaarrrrr!* :!:
I absolutely *NEED* one of those babies!
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But seriously ... I'd strongly recommend a VGA size screen (if you're buying new), as I find that there is nothing better than having more pixels - physical size notwithstanding. Although, I've got very good eyesight, so fine detail and small display features is not an issue for me. Personally I need two monitors for my work / software development, and I use two 1600x1200 20" LCD monitors for this.
If a 3.x" screen isn't large enough, then whatever you purchase really can't be classed as a phone anymore. Holding anything larger up to your ear and/or trying to carry something heavy around is a real problem. I'd probably be quite happy with a 2.x" screen, but at some phenominal resolution. Portability in a phone is absolutely required, but it still needs to have enough information available to be useful.
Choose carefully, and choose wisely. It's more how you use it, and what you use it for which is important. The BA with it's keyboard, built-in WiFi, BT, WM5, etc., etc., etc., pretty much encompassses everything I need. What it's missing ... I'm adding. 8)
well, i'm looking to utilize "pocket pc" aspect more thoroughly
but, it's irritating to deal with content that's desktop oriented. For example, i cant see at once more than like 4 columns in spreadsheet. Same for some PDFs that are not reflow-able...endless scrolling back and forth
starik said:
well, i'm looking to utilize "pocket pc" aspect more thoroughly
but, it's irritating to deal with content that's desktop oriented. For example, i cant see at once more than like 4 columns in spreadsheet. Same for some PDFs that are not reflow-able...endless scrolling back and forth
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I can very much empathize with this problem. And I hate this as well. There are zoom functions, but those only 'mask' the pixel problem.
The only way I can think of solving it is to have some ridiculous resolution, in a very small area. A 3.x" screen running at 480x640 is a start ... but something running at 960x1200 would be ROCKIN'! Mind you - the pixels would be too tiny for most text or for real 'usability' for a lot of people. But ClearType would just look awesome. ;-)
Then again ... maybe something like this would be a good solution. I can see this becoming VERY useful ... especially if battery life can be 'good' from something like this ...
Iljin Display Develops Coin-Sized Laser Projector Module
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cellphon...s-coinsized-laser-projector-module-167323.php
The future is looking VERY cool ...
Bigger screen than the Exec:
http://www.windowsfordevices.com/news/NS3737841146.html
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Bigger screen than the Exec:
http://www.windowsfordevices.com/news/NS3737841146.html
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looks very nice!
but, wtf they put WSIM in there
You're all no doubt absolutely delighted that you get the first review I'm writing of the Vulcan FlipStart V1.0! For those of you who aren't aware of this little device, it originated with the (often called "vapourware" MiniPC of 2004, demonstrated by Paul Allen). The concept has been refined massively, and is now on sale in the US for $1999 with the following specification:
Pentium M @ 1.1GHz
512MB RAM (not expandable)
Intel 915 graphics; 64MB Unified Memory Architecture
30GB HD (having spoken to the designers, at present this is all that will fit)
5.6" screen at 1024 x 600 pixel (220dpi) resolution
Webcam (VGA, I suspect)
Keyboard, trackpad and touchpoint
802.11b/g WiFi
Bluetooth 2.0
EV-DO cellular data connection
Windows XP Professional SP2
Additional features include media keys and an InfoPane; a secondary display of cellphone-like quality on the rear of the clamshell case which displays email, contacts, appointments etc. without opening the PC.
As shipped, the device comes with a large capacity battery, port replicator (providing Ethernet, Power, USB x 2, VGA and audio), small carry case and a screen wipe, plus the PSU to charge it.
Optional accessories are the slimline battery, a high-end leather case, chargers, and potentially high resolution camera or other devices connecting to a top-mounted expansion port (looks like it is USB but not a USB connector, just wire pads ready for devices using USB protocols).
It's really very hard to describe JUST how small this computer is. Most UMPCs are 7" screen, tablet or sliding tablet devices. Flipstart is a clamshell, and a very rugged feeling one at that. Finished in a fetching dark blue metallic with the distinctive InfoPane and slding metal "FlipStart" cover plate, the closed device is comparable to HTC's Athena, perhaps 3% or so larger. It can be slipped into the back pocket of your jeans with the slimline battery fitted, for example.
Opening the FlipStart reveals a thumb-type keyboard of moderate quality and good spacing; it has a backlight which is pleasant and even, and some handy quick access keys to zoom the screen, open the FlipStart navigator application, control media, and access the task manager. The shift keys are curiously large - you are expected to use your thumbs to type, and by placing the keys accurately and providing a large target, shifting with one hand whilst typing with the other is comfortable. Takes a while to adjust to this method, but it works very well.
Above the keyboard, from left to right, are two mouse buttons, a cursor pad with Page up/down, home and End functions, power keys, a small trackpad and a thumbstick-type device. The trackpad even has software to enable or disable tapping and tapzones, something woefully lacking on many fullsize laptops that assume you WANT to tap; pleasantly, this one has the right balance so tapping works without being obtrusive. The thumbstick device is very quick and convenient, but using the two as appropriate makes this a snappy PC to get around.
Of course, a touchscreen would be better, and when using the device with the Ameo the instinct to grab the stylus and tap the XP screen was very strong. A touchscreen would add depth and reduce the clarity of the insanely high resolution display, however.
Being in the UK, I am unable to test the EV-DO function, but the WiFi and Bluetooth work well - connecting "on the road" was painlessly accomplished via Bluetooth PAN and the Ameo on T-Mobile's 3G network.
Being a fully functional PC it runs PC applications. I've yet to find anything it can't handle, with the obvious caveat that I am applying common sense here and not trying stupid games, or HD video editing suites, or high-end desktop image editing applications.
Oh...
Wait, I did try that last one. It's running Photoshop CS3 adequately; let's say, CS3 on this is snappier (and obviously more capable and vastly more expensive) than Pocket Artist. Lightroom also runs well enough to use despite the FlipStart's display being relatively low pixel resolution for Adobe's recommendations. I'm tempted to try InDesign on it purely for the amusement of doing DTP on a pocket-sized computer - I have little doubt that it will be possible. The LCD's viewing angle is very critical in terms of tilt, but when you get it right the colour and evenness of the backlight is impressive; I wouldn't trust it for critical colour work, but it's certainly alright for previewing and basic adjustments or editing.
Quake 3 was included as a demo and at the default 640 x 480 resolution, was quite playable with an external keyboard/mouse combination.
All this CPU power comes with a cost, of course. Heat and power drain. The FlipStart features a little visible vent alongside the port replicator, and frankly, you'll love it if you ever get stuck in the frozen North with one; it's pretty warm! The fan is louder and more insistent than the dual fans in my XPS M2010 - which is really logical, given the large airspace available in the Dell. FlipStart's CPU is amongst the better ones you'll find in a "UMPC" device, most of the Origami/tablet type units sporting Geode or VIA CPUs. Sony's UX-series has more MHZ, but is larger and costs more.
Battery life is around 3-6 hours with the bulkier "extended" (actually standard) battery, and a mere one and a half hours with the slimline battery. Charging is via a small and delicate looking jackplug - given the amount of charging this device needs, I'd like to have seen a contact-based charging solution like a dock. No provision is made for this, the port replicator clips on and isn't significantly better in terms of wear and tear - plus, you'll want it with you to have access to the 2 flat USB ports. The standard USB port is under the hinge for the display, and bulkier items like memory sticks may not fit.
Overall, the FlipStart is a surprisingly usable "marvel of the modern age" - not only does it convincingly demonstrate just HOW much power you can cram into a small package, but outside of that demonstration, you can run serious applications on it. With remote desktop for the fiddlier file management, or an external display and keyboard/mouse, it's a perfectly functional computer - and if you have good eyesight, the display might not be an issue for extended use. The robust physical design points at a device designed for real world use, instead of geektoy chic - and as such the flexibility of it makes it a lot 'cooler' than you'd initially expect. As the Ameo has demonstrated, there's an upper limit to the size of device that you want to carry about, and this really does stay within it where larger UMPCs may fall foul of the "never take it anywhere" problem that also held back the better Handheld PC machines.
And on that note, that's where this device sits, in my opinion. This is the 21st century "Handheld PC", whereas Origami in the purest form - the tablets - are more confused about their purpose. Are they computers, or just powerful media players?
Having seen the games performance of this, I can envisage devices like it in 3 or 4 years time for high-end mobile gaming, where keyboards are replaced by game controllers, and titles like Gears of War or World of Warcraft can be made truly portable with no loss of quality over their PC or high-end console counterparts. With a desktop OS, and a port replicator, they could even be used for real work. The question is, would the costs come down sufficiently if they sold in large numbers?
At a good $800 or so premium over the HTC Athena, itself one of the most expensive WM consumer devices around, you'll need a good use for it to justify owning it. In isolation, though, FlipStart comes VERY close to bringing true desktop computing power to the genuinely "pocket sized" device. And this is just version 1.0...
One of the nicest aspects of the FlipStart is the contining number of "surprise and delight" features. For example, the zoom key is inherently a bit clever, zooming the window you are looking at to fill the screen, but you can also quickly adjust the zoom level by holding the key and using the scroll wheel. Is this a standard UMPC-like feature? It's really neat! I've never used a screen so sharp and small, yet so comfortable to work on before.
(Pictures will follow eventually, but there are plenty around if you Google!).
well the title says it all. What would be your realistic dream HTC phone? (hopefully if we stay realistic htc will use this as a source of ideas! hehe... never know eh?)
Here is mine (of course if they go higher than that no problem with me... ex the ram and stuff)
Basic stuff:
600mghz processor
300mb ram
3" wvga or svga
3+mp camera + front vga cam
touchflo
wifi, bluetooth, gps, high speed
SLIDE OUT KEYBOARD IS A MUST!!!!
Extra stuff:
-USB host capabilities!!!!
-Wimax (programmable so i can use an other company's service of wimax with my phone)
-DUAL sdhc slot
-Biometric reader (can't they use the screen's touch capabilities to say scan the distance between your knuckles or something, because those finger scanners are finicky... if its the finger scanner, it HAS to also be the "wake up" so when you can it scans AND turns it back on)
-DUAL BOOT! comes with wm6.1 but you can use Android and some things like calendar, notes, alarms, e-mail and other settings and such are automatically used in both modes.
-built in software to turn your phone into a router\wi-fi hotspot (much easier and more stable than bluetooth)
-this goes against everything cellphones companies do. MAKE IT THICKER! and add a bigger battery. I would GLADLY add 1 cm to my Mogul to get a mega battery, but not those third party extra backings, they just make it lumpy and un-compatible with the belt holster it comes with)
Sony CLIE UX50 form-factor
http://www.mobilemag.com/content/images/1843_large.jpg
Wifi, Bluetooth
3MP camera
GSM and CDMA versions
~400 - ~500 mghz processor
Small, OLED screen on the top of the device for seeing notifications
Backlight, easy to use keyboard
VGA screen
Small, thin, but good battery life
and either WM 7 or Android
First off. I just came here to say this. Your title is contridicting (Did I spell that right?). You can't have something realistic if it's a dream Don't argue with me on that. You know dreams aren't real.
Kraize said:
First off. I just came here to say this. Your title is contridicting (Did I spell that right?). You can't have something realistic if it's a dream Don't argue with me on that. You know dreams aren't real.
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dream (drēm) Pronunciation Key
n.
A series of images, ideas, emotions, and sensations occurring involuntarily in the mind during certain stages of sleep.
A daydream; a reverie.
A state of abstraction; a trance.
A wild fancy or hope.
A condition or achievement that is longed for; an aspiration: a dream of owning their own business.
One that is exceptionally gratifying, excellent, or beautiful: Our new car runs like a dream.
3mp camera??? you do realize that there is a 8mp Nokia phone right? so saying 8mp would be realistic lol.
Anyphnoe with the new nVidia tegra chip would be awsome. And a lot of hardware keys.
BTW: What about the sentence "My dream comes true"?
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3mp camera??? you do realize that there is a 8mp Nokia phone right? so saying 8mp would be realistic lol.
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xD this is a WM forum, no chance to convince me of buying a nokia...not even the new touch-thingy, its a symbian crap-phone.
Mikulec said:
Anyphnoe with the new nVidia tegra chip would be awsome. And a lot of hardware keys.
BTW: What about the sentence "My dream comes true"?
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Hell, yeah, Tegra rocks ! Hardware keys...yes, not too much though.
I think the most important thing about camera is that it´s responding fast, not like the latest HTC devices..I read the Xperias cam isn´t that bad..? Anyway.
My specs for a phone next year:
800-1000Mhz, ~300 MB Ram, ~500 MB internal storage, SDHC support, powerful graphics-engine, long-lasting battery (new technologies could help with that), G-Sensor, (better) Light sensor, proximity sensor (maybe),
3"-3.5" display with WVGA, 3.5mm audiojack, BT 2.0, WiMAX, high-quality earphones (Sennheiser or something similar)
BUT, the most of all: WM 6.5 or even 7 with support for all the eye candy stuff like shake-control, multitouch etc..and of course: speed
Extra stuff:
built in software to work with friends, play multiplayer games on it and remote control software for my PC.
for free and easy remote controll software use www.logmein.com its what i use but it does require a data connection. works great, I used it to check what my printer model was at the store the other day when i forgot to take it down to buy ink
as for the nvidia chip *droooooooooooool* had not thought of that!
hi everyone you might know me from HD2 scenes, well i got another toy to play with it's brand new HTC diamond(!!!!!) from local store which hadn't sold everything out from 2008 lol i needed backup phone, so i bought it for 50 euros(lol) and ive got 2 years of warranty xD
kinda cool to see how little htc actually envolved during 2 years(diamond-->leo).. apart from screen size and technology..well not actually that much difference. i find diamond build with alot more passion like...-glowing wall adapter, phone when charging, ringing, sms..(nice effect), button backlight turns on on light touch, cool back cover, stylus gets sucked in...
well after a day i'm all into games like COD2, THPS2(i had to use cotulla's wvgafix before, and no hw arrow pad)...vga on such screen is mind blowing
i flashed energyrom yesterday, didn't impress me really :/ stock was much faster.
to make long story short, what else can i try on this htc masterpiece?
thank you
I have a HD2 and use Diamond as work phone, I installed Advanced config v3.3 which has lots of tweaks etc, and Touchflo 3d config which has a couple of tweaks as well as an easy way to install themes, Other than that I have just searched alot and found various icon sets and task bars, Clean Ram is another great app for freeing up memory seeing as the diamond has only 192mb lol, Net CF 3.5 is a good app that allows installation of most apps,Getting rid of the curtains on Home screen is cool as well as a Black clock and doing away with the touchflo 3d Blocks wallpaper, As I said Its out there if you look hard enough, Have fun.......
Look up DiamondTF3D Config. Its a very nice application wich allows you to modify out TouchFlo3D in any was possibile. For starters , i like the "flip to silent" option. If your phone rings while the display is pointed upwards , and want to rapidly silence the ringtone , flip the phone and it will silent itself up. It`s mindblowing , believe me.
Try getting a nice GPS for it , like IGO8 or Garmin , and hook it up on your car. Personally i preferr IGO8 because it is more accurate. More than that , your headset comes with QuickGPS application that requires a weekly update (and notifies you when needed) to keep the maps up-to-date. It also has Pedestrian Option , and i had alot of fun with it with a friend when testing it. We started the software and began running like idiots around the block to see just how accurate it really is. You`d be amazed , it is capable of foreseeing your actions and ploting a trajectory , even showing you your speed as you are walking/running. Heh!
The factory music player is exceptional. Doesn`t drain alot of your PSU energy (i have a 1000mAh PSU wich last long enough to get me through the day , despite Diamonds batery life issues)...The Audio Booster is very handy togheter with the good ol` HTC headphones (probablly the only pair of headphones that fit in my gigantic ears and won`t fall out!)
It`s 4 GB internal storage. I`m happy with it , cannot manage to fill it up!
As you said , the stylus gets sucked wich is very handy in avoiding its loss! Moreso, the stylus sticks to the metal strip surrounding the body of the phone! I use this thing when browsing the internet and get caught up with something else , finding myself sticking it on the outside rather than shoving it in the phone like a bloddy rapist ^^
The Windows Mobile 6.1 has TouchFlo3D , the Windows Mobile 6.5 has Sense 2.1/2.5;
Though different in functionality , the both work on the same principle (i personally preferr 6.5 because it`s more finger friendly than 6.1 , though i would not recommend flashing it without exceptional skills in headset personalisation.I`ve heard people with Diamonds that flashed it cause the headset to brick! Service centers request obscene fees if you want to repair it , or , to make it worst , they refuse to do it because you would , most likely , download a 6.5 ROM from this forum , wich is un-official )
It took me 2 weeks to learn all the mind-jizzing things this little headset can do!
And just recently descovered the music player progress bar scrolling by doing a circular motion on the outer bounds of the Enter Button! (yeah , impressive how some find this thing magical!)
Good luck with your exploration! I won`t give it for any other headset (maybe for a better HTC version)
Hello,
I am new here and have no experience programming Android systems. I am looking at buying an Android platform in dash radio unit that has some hard key buttons and hard hey knobs.
I don't know if this differs from other Android platforms such as a cellular telephone or a tablet but here's what I am wanting to accomplish (I am under the impression anything is possible since it's just a computer program comprised of 1s and 0s but I'm sure all of you will set me straight).
Okay so essentially I would like to customize the interface, easy enough I know lot of people accomplish that, perhaps only rooting would be required... however I think my vision is more complicated than most. My intent is to create a vector cartoon image of my vehicle, during boot I would like to have the image load on the screen and as the booting phase is progressing (like a status indicator) different lights will turn on, and perhaps have some audio that plays. Then on the home screen I would like to have the same image (or similar) with different status indicators shown, which lights are on, if the vehicle is running, TPMS values, also time of day would be reflected with either a sun progressing across the sky from Sun rise to sun set, then the moon will come out with Northern Lights dancing in the sky. While driving perhaps the wheels could turn.
So yes to me it seems highly ambitious and very in-depth. All of that information will be available to the unit via other applications except for the lighting which I could route through separate circuitry (perhaps through a USB interface??) unless there's another?
My intent is not to open the unit or rebuild it physically. But rooting, reprogramming, flashing, and wiring outside of the unit I am comfortable with.
I believe that's a good start for now, I appreciate your time.
P.S. I don't mind learning and doing the work myself, I am starting from scratch though. Is this viable? Would it be expensive to pay someone? Is it even possible?
I have left out the brand and product because I'm assuming it wouldn't matter, it is running Android 8.0, 4G+32G, 8-core CPU, it has the hard buttons and is touch screen.
Sorry, there is another feature I was looking at having. It has a dedicated hard key "Navigation" button. I was hoping to have two or three specific navigation applications, that as I press that button, it will jump to the last used application, and with each button press it will cycle through all the other 'designated' gps applications.
Also I might want to customize some other hard key button functions, but that's the major one, so I am hoping/assuming it can be done in the first place.
Also simple default startup options, running programs, screens and layout.
Thank you for your time and knowledge.
No one even has any advice or help or anything constructive?
Am I posting this question in the right forum?
Usually forums aren't this quiet. ?
What your looking to do sounds like it would require a decent amount Android programing knowledge. If your starting from scratch with no experience in programing or building Android applications I do not think it's worth your time.
Yes the headunits run a mostly normal version of Android with some customization to do things like interact with the can bus and play Bluetooth audio.
Thank you for the reply, so for an experienced programmer, is this reasonably achievable?
Would it be with contacting someone to do this?