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Hi,
general question about upgrading a new firmware.
When I do that and I got a "wipe" firmware, I usually wipe and reinstall everything and reconfigure all my apps.
It takes a while but, as seasoned windows user, I know this is the best way to have a clean and full speed installation so to avoid "registry" cluttering.
Is this applicable also to Android? Or using Nandroid or Titanium I can restore my apps with "messing up" with my shiny new firmware?
It is quite quick to put your credentials on facebook or foursquare but all the word learnt by swype or all rebuild all the folders structure is taking a while...
Thanks
Sergio
Using Titanium Backup, you can just backup user apps and data, and leave system apps alone. Then when you upgrade to a new firmware (I recently went from KK5 to KL8) you can use your Titanium Backup just to restore the user apps and data you backed up, and leave the system apps and data alone. That way you'll have only the system app data from your new ROM, but all the user apps and data from your old one.
When I flashed my new ROM, I went ahead and selected to restore all user and system apps and data. Of course I can't tell you how my phone's performance compares to if I hadn't done so, but I can tell you that my phone is faster (because of the new code, I'm sure) than it was before, and I'm having absolutely no issues whatsoever.
I do my ROM backup using ROM Manager by CWM, app + data backup using TBP and EFS folder using kTool. It always works well.
In one of the stock LA1 firmware threads in the dev section (stock LA1 is a wipe firmware) a user has reported success by restoring his data partition from a previous Nandroid backup.
Haven't tried it myself, as I agree with your approach of starting from a "clean" slate. Android doesn't have a registry, but the DBDATA partition could be considered similar?
I prefer the clean slate approach, but after I instructed my Custom Dictionary for one month and organized all my apps in nice folders I wanted to understand if there are risks here.
It is not clear for me what are also the information related to a certain fw that an apps saves... is that possibile for instance to do a restore in ICS of a backup done in Gingerbread?
Sergio
Ok. So I'm new to a lot of this....I'm installing a new update of firekat V7 from V6. My question is I have I wipe and install correct and if so. Can I backup all my user apps and data using titanium and restore it all back again or do I have to start fresh pretty much? Would it cause any conflicts?
Yes. That is what it is for. You can even backup system data.
If you ever have a major update, or change ROMs completely do not ever restore system data. Just apps and app data.
So just in your case, just backup you apps and app data and then do the normal steps to install your update. After you are booted you can install it from the play store and then restore your apps.
I suggest getting the pro key as well. It will allow you to batch restore all the apps.
This is probably very noob of me but I'll ask it anyways...... This just dawned on me to back up everything via titanium Backup then use the file to restore on new custom ROMs. Instead if using Google back up to download everytime. Can I presumably download like Pico gapps with virtually nothing, back up all my user and system apps with titanium Backup then restore everything everything on the new rom and I'll have all the apps and system apps from my previous rom?
If I back up user apps and system apps with titanium Backup then restore will my call logs, texts, etc also be installed?
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This is probably very noob of me but I'll ask it anyways...... This just dawned on me to back up everything via titanium Backup then use the file to restore on new custom ROMs. Instead if using Google back up to download everytime. Can I presumably download like Pico gapps with virtually nothing, back up all my user and system apps with titanium Backup then restore everything everything on the new rom and I'll have all the apps and system apps from my previous rom?
If I back up user apps and system apps with titanium Backup then restore will my call logs, texts, etc also be installed?
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Rule #1 as you will see as you get more into this you NEVER restore "system" apps this will create FC - force closures and errors all day long. Only restore user apps and data.
If coming from a Samsung going to a Nexus for example, you would TiBu all your users apps/data on Samsung to restore to Nexus. You do not have to restore the Google backup you can...but more senior people like me setup device as a new device. Google restore does not bring over your user data and settings like TiBu will. TiBu will give you exactly what the app was like on the old device....google will not in majority of cases...for me none.
- TiBu user app/data and no system data
- Setup new device as new and restore TiBu app/data. Can do the Google it you like and then let TiBu overwrite it
You can install the Pico gapps. Let's say you had a new rom without Google Newstand...even if it was not in the gapps your TiBu would restore it just fine with no issues.... But the gapps does add other background google services you need not visible to eye like apps...but the apps can fully come from your backup even if they dont exist on the new device.
No you will not get your call log, etc since you do not restore system info. But there are third party apps that can back that up if that is that important. I use apps like Textra and not device messaging apps so when TiBu restores Textra I get it all back old messages\etc....again you do not want to restore 'red' system apps but find 3rd party apps that backup call log, text (if google app), etc.
What if it's the same device but different rom. Would restoring system apps also create issues
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What if it's the same device but different rom. Would restoring system apps also create issues
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Still you do not want to do that....you could be dealing with a phone that is the same but the build version of the OS could be different and those systems updates could have different version numbers. So restoring systems adds that are not exact as the previous could result in bad situation.
If you are going from same device to same device, then you can backup...do a TWRP or Nandroid backup which will give you an image backup of exactly what you have with data and system.
If you do a full backup, you could experiment and gamble doing it your way and if it goes back...just restore the backup.
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Still you do not want to do that....you could be dealing with a phone that is the same but the build version of the OS could be different and those systems updates could have different version numbers. So restoring systems adds that are not exact as the previous could result in bad situation.
If you are going from same device to same device, then you can backup...do a TWRP or Nandroid backup which will give you an image backup of exactly what you have with data and system.
If you do a full backup, you could experiment and gamble doing it your way and if it goes back...just restore the backup.
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Thanks for the info. I'll just stick with the user apps and back them into a folder. You also recommended textra for texts? So it will just back up like a normal user app and you can keep all your text messages that way?
I am trying to restore all of my apps from my Nandroid backup.
The thing is after analyzing TWRP backup it is showing all the apps that needs to extract.
1. There is no smiley on the right side of the app list, Smiley indicates the app is already installed.
2. Select missing apps does nothing.
3. When I select a single app (for example Solid Explorer) to extract it says Processing 0% after few seconds everything closes and there is a notification "Batch restore finished." But the app never get installed I even tried rebooting the phone after the restore there is no app restored.
Can someone help me with this issue please.
I really need those apps from that Nandroid backup.
P.S. I even tried that Nandroid Manager, it only restores the app not the data.
I'm confused, if you use Titanium, why did you just backup your app data with Titanium?
I've never used the function to extract from nandroid. But it would seem to me, not as simple or reliable as just using Titanium to backup.
redpoint73 said:
I'm confused, if you use Titanium, why did you just backup your app data with Titanium?
I've never used the function to extract from nandroid. But it would seem to me, not as simple or reliable as just using Titanium to backup.
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The thing is I don't have a back up from Titanium and my phone got formatted while updating it and I only have a Nandroid backup so, I need to recover the apps from nandroid backup only.
Hope this clears it up.
ManikandanGuru said:
The thing is I don't have a back up from Titanium and my phone got formatted while updating it and I only have a Nandroid backup so, I need to recover the apps from nandroid backup only.
Hope this clears it up.
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Got it. I often will do a batch backup with Titanium, then copy the Titanium folder to my computer. Especially before updating, ROM flashing, etc. Maybe a lot of extra work (and some may consider it a bit paranoid) but it would have avoided the current situation. I don't completely trust the internal storage will not be wiped (even though it isn't "supposed" to be) and you see for good reason, in this case.
Never actually tried it, but restoring in Titanium from a nandroid seems tricky to me. Just adding more points of failure/complication.
If you try to install an app by other means (Play store, etc.) than restore app data only, does it work?
Another workaround (although convoluted) may be to restore the nandroid, either data only (may cause problems on the updated ROM, I know); or restore the whole thing and make a Titanium backup and then go back to the "updated" ROM. So yeah, like I said, convoluted. I would also consider making a nandroid of the current setup (to restore to as needed) before doing any of the above. Lots of steps I know, but a workaround, nonetheless.
I've definitely had to resort to restoring a nandroid, since I forgot to backup apps with Titanium. So flip flopping back and forth, backing up and restoring with Titanium, etc. Yes, it's a pain, but it works.
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Got it. I often will do a batch backup with Titanium, then copy the Titanium folder to my computer. Especially before updating, ROM flashing, etc. Maybe a lot of extra work (and some may consider it a bit paranoid) but it would have avoided the current situation. I don't completely trust the internal storage will not be wiped (even though it isn't "supposed" to be) and you see for good reason, in this case.
Never actually tried it, but restoring in Titanium from a nandroid seems tricky to me. Just adding more points of failure/complication.
If you try to install an app by other means (Play store, etc.) than restore app data only, does it work?
Another workaround (although convoluted) may be to restore the nandroid, either data only (may cause problems on the updated ROM, I know); or restore the whole thing and make a Titanium backup and then go back to the "updated" ROM. So yeah, like I said, convoluted. I would also consider making a nandroid of the current setup (to restore to as needed) before doing any of the above. Lots of steps I know, but a workaround, nonetheless.
I've definitely had to resort to restoring a nandroid, since I forgot to backup apps with Titanium. So flip flopping back and forth, backing up and restoring with Titanium, etc. Yes, it's a pain, but it works.
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Yeah, whatever you said were true and I used to do your method couple of years back and all of my recurring dirty flashes went without any issues and I completely ignored the Titanium backup and went with the Nandroid backup only.
About this thread I got tired and installed all the apps from play store
More than 100 apps I think. Lot of work but a great lesson. I am going to make a Titanium Backup before every update from now on.
Thanks for the reply buddy. :good::good:
if it doesnt work with TB you can just restore your nandroid and then take the backups with TB.
maybe still easier than reconfiguring 100 of apps.
I actually can't restore my nandroid backup successfully.
When it's restored, the screen won't come on (all black) but recovery works and what's weirder is, that when I hold the pwr button, the icons for 'turn off' and 'reboot' come up, but I can't see the wallpaper, no lockscreen, nothing
Installed OS from scratch and now I'm trying to recover all my apps from the nandroid backup without messing it up again
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I want to chime in for anyone who arrives from google search: I had the same problem.
The solution? Install the APKs first, be it from Google Play or manually, and then restore only data from the nandroid. That worked for me.
SOLUTION (working on lineage 14): restore apps with Nandroid Manager and restore data with Titanium Backup.
Just so everyone is on the same page:
Nandroid Manager only seems to be able to recover Apps, but hangs on Data.
Titanium Backup can recover both, but the button to select Missing Apps doesn't work.
B also requires that you copy your backup to the internal SD, or else it will not be discovered.
Fix: Select missing Apps in Nandoid Manager > restore only App > take a note of the apps that you restored > use Titanium Backup to restore the data.
skuppej said:
Fix: Select missing Apps in Nandoid Manager > restore only App > take a note of the apps that you restored > use Titanium Backup to restore the data.
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Since the app has been pulled from playstore and not being actively developed, do you think it still works? My phone went into a bootloop when restarting and I made a nandroid backup of data. I flashed the same rom again after clearing the system and data partion. I started the phone and booted up just fine. But when I went to twrp again to restore the data backup, it went into bootloop again. I want to extract and restore the data only for few apps, do you think this method would work?
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Since the app has been pulled from playstore and not being actively developed, do you think it still works? My phone went into a bootloop when restarting and I made a nandroid backup of data. I flashed the same rom again after clearing the system and data partion. I started the phone and booted up just fine. But when I went to twrp again to restore the data backup, it went into bootloop again. I want to extract and restore the data only for few apps, do you think this method would work?
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Yeah I think it will still work!
abhi8192 said:
I want to extract and restore the data only for few apps, do you think this method would work?
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I found this solution! "Automate individual app restores from an android TWRP backup" https://github.com/joshuabragge/twrp-manual-restore
While I have rooted 6 SM-N910T devices using CF auto root, I have not needed to install TWRP recovey since all 6 run latest 6.0.1 stock ROM with no need for any custom ROM. Noting how restoring a TWRP backup restores everything including contacts, sms messages, wallpaper, apps, and keeps root, I created a full backup and saved to SD card. To my surprise, restoring this full backup reset SM-N910T back to factory losing all personalization including Google accounts, contacts, sms, wallpaper, apps, and losing root.
I twrp installed supersu 2.82 zip and restored root. Then restored same full backup stored on SD card and again reset phone back to factory.
Why is restoring TWRP backup not restoring all personalization including Google accounts, contacts, sms, wallpaper, apps, and keeping root mirroring how it was prior to making TWRP backup?
What steps can I try to restore everything back to just prior making the full TWRP backup?
Appreciate your help and insights...
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While I have rooted 6 SM-N910T devices using CF auto root, I have not needed to install TWRP recovey since all 6 run latest 6.0.1 stock ROM with no need for any custom ROM. Noting how restoring a TWRP backup restores everything including contacts, sms messages, wallpaper, apps, and keeps root, I created a full backup and saved to SD card. To my surprise, restoring this full backup reset SM-N910T back to factory losing all personalization including Google accounts, contacts, sms, wallpaper, apps, and losing root.
I twrp installed supersu 2.82 zip and restored root. Then restored same full backup stored on SD card and again reset phone back to factory.
Why is restoring TWRP backup not restoring all personalization including Google accounts, contacts, sms, wallpaper, apps, and keeping root mirroring how it was prior to making TWRP backup?
What steps can I try to restore everything back to just prior making the full TWRP backup?
Appreciate your help and insights...
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TWRP backups don't include user data. If you look closely you notice the date partition in TWRP it state "not including used data". If your device has root you can patch TWRP to "including user data" when saving backups.
Good luck, happy to help
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kdrag0n.tipatch&hl=en_US
Mr. JAVI said:
TWRP backups don't include user data. If you look closely you notice the date partition in TWRP it state "not including used data". If your device has root you can patch TWRP to "including user data" when saving backups.
Good luck, happy to help
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kdrag0n.tipatch&hl=en_US
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@Mr. JAVI, Thanks.
Device had root when backup was created but did not have tipatch. How do I restore sms messages which existed prior to creating TWRP backup ?
I now understand that this tipatch is required on rooted device to grab sms messages as part of backup. However Many TWRP guides state that TWRP backups restore everything. Everything suggests to me it would include sms messages. I have not comes across any that talked about tipatch. This could have been avoided with clearer more transparent guides. Am I misreading this?
Your welcome
This is how it looks on payched TWRP. Check your custom recovery it will differ from the image below. Mine"including" whithout Tipatch, like on your device "excluding".
Sometimes it may be possible to recover wiped data however if it has been writen over with mew data then unless you have the forensics of the FBI. Its gone for good
As for the TWRP site stating otherwise , I do not know. If I guessed, it might be Adoptible and expandable storage of the OS.
I remember years ago trying to better understand TERP advsnced options. II did a search and at the top of the page "Everything you need to know about TWRP". I think the title should have been""
Everthing were not going to tell you about TWRP"
http://www.motheatre.org/twrp-recovery/
The XDA Tipatch link
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/app-twrp-tipatch-backup-internal-t3831217/amp/
Please post back if this work your your device ad it may help orhers
Its like Gods gift to TWRP
Mr. JAVI said:
Your welcome
This is how it looks on payched TWRP. Check your custom recovery it will differ from the image below. Mine"including" whithout Tipatch, like on your device "excluding".
Sometimes it may be possible to recover wiped data however if it has been writen over with mew data then unless you have the forensics of the FBI. Its gone for good
As for the TWRP site stating otherwise , I do not know. If I guessed, it might be Adoptible and expandable storage of the OS.
I remember years ago trying to better understand TERP advsnced options. II did a search and at the top of the page "Everything you need to know about TWRP". I think the title should have been""
Everthing were not going to tell you about TWRP"
http://www.motheatre.org/twrp-recovery/
The XDA Tipatch link
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/app-twrp-tipatch-backup-internal-t3831217/amp/
Please post back if this work your your device ad it may help orhers
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@Mr. JAVI, I appreciate your help. See the quote
TWRP makes “nandroid” backups, which are near-complete images of your system. Instead of using them to restore individual files or apps, you use nandroid backups to restore your phone to exactly the state it was in when you backed up: the version of Android, your wallpaper, your home screen, right down to which text messages you had left unread.
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in this guide, https://www.howtogeek.com/240582/how-to-back-up-and-restore-your-android-phone-with-twrp/amp/, written by @whitsonGordon
I checked out credibility of @whitsonGordon. while I found no posts on xda-developers by this individual, I did find other xda users refer to his guides on lifehacker and howtogeek. He pitched 140 tweets per month over the last 22 months and has 16.9K followers. He seemed credible. The quote above misled me into believing I could restore everything back after performing a TWRP wipe and full restore.
2Code said:
@Mr. JAVI, I appreciate your help. See the quote in this guide, https://www.howtogeek.com/240582/how-to-back-up-and-restore-your-android-phone-with-twrp/amp/, written by @whitsonGordon
I checked out credibility of @whitsonGordon. while I found no posts on xda-developers by this individual, I did find other xda users refer to his guides on lifehacker and howtogeek. He pitched 140 tweets per month over the last 22 months and has 16.9K followers. He seemed credible. The quote above misled me into believing I could restore everything back after performing a TWRP wipe and full restore.
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If its any conciliation, I used to think a complete backup was actually "complete". Its unfortunate you were misled.
Maybe this will be of some help. To make a truly complete backup with patched TWRP, I recommend checking all boxes as displayed in the image below. Be aware that the Note 4 in the picture is not rooted and therefore not a patched TWRP. The illustration is merely to display the partitions and check boxes as all marked in blue .
There is an option in custom recovery (TWRP) that provides compression . Its in the setting. The cons= takes longer to backup and longer to restore.