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of people who dont speak english naturally, yet have the patience to learn such a difficult language. im always impressed and flattered by foreigners who speak incredible english with great grammar and sentence structure, especially when people like me who have trouble getting the rules straight when we already should know them. what makes learning english even more incredible is that there are over 1,000,000 words in the english language (most arent used anymore but they still can be). german comes in at a very distant second place with just over 300,000 words. and most english words have at least five other words that mean the exact same thing. random english words fact: there is no single word in english for "the back of the knee". anyways, its great to hear people speak english as their second language. so, kudos (slang for "congrats") to all you non english speaking people who have the incredible patience to learn something that does not come naturally to you. i do hope to learn german one day, because i have family in germany; and maybe even learn russian too. again, thanks to all aspiring linguists around the globe.
p.s. sorry if i use words that are big/fancy. i have a bad habit of doing that.
Thank you, I feel flattered as a foreigner and I think my decent english is due to watching a lot of television. Like talk shows and movies. Actually imo english is easier to learn than dutch or french etc. because most foreigners grow up with hearing english stuff around them. This almost never the case in England nor America. It's just the universal language, so there's less need to learn extra languages.
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I´ve learned as a second language due to my mother is teacher/translator English/French.
Remember when I was a kid watching the movies in English, even if I did not understood a single word.
I consider I speak quite well (much better than my writing skills)
shoemeistah said:
Thank you, I feel flattered as a foreigner and I think my decent english is due to watching a lot of television. Like talk shows and movies. Actually imo english is easier to learn than dutch or french etc. because most foreigners grow up with hearing english stuff around them. This almost never the case in England nor America. It's just the universal language, so there's less need to learn extra languages.
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Dude, there are absolutely no errors in your English. God I wish I was that linguistically skilled. English is that common in other countries? I never would have guessed that. By the way, I absolutely love Europeans. I think they are the most pleasant people to be around (at least I think they are). I've only been to Europe once, but my dream is to visit every country in Europe. There is just something so wonderful about Europe. Anyways, you Europeans keep being awesome!!!
For example my mother moved to the US from the Czech Republic in the 80's, she grew up around many other languages and now speaks 9 (I cant name em all if i tried). And All 3 of her children (myself included) speak English to her, English for her is a second language but we speak to each other easily and she even thinks in multiple languages now. I have a lot of respect for her
It's not just in Europe and the US where English is the 'universal' language! Don't forget us down under (eg. Australia and New Zealand). I never realised how hard English would have been to learn until I did French in Year 12, especially given that English technically my equal first language. I speak Cantonese at home, for those who are interested. It's a real shame that, in Australia, another language isn't something that it required to graduate from high school (college in British and American English?) though. It's amazing how some people can speak so many languages. I wish I had that ability... And or patience.
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kudos (slang for "congrats") to all you non english speaking people who have the incredible patience to learn something that does not come naturally to you.
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Thank you. It's not so hard if you're using it for some 30+ years...
And you must remember that main language used in computers is english... so anyway I had to learn it better when I selected my profession... which originally was computer programming.
For me English in my 3. language. We have our own language in the Faroe Islands that is only spoken by some 60-70.000 people in the whole world. Our 2. language is Danish. But TV is the main reason that mostly everyone in the Faroe Islands speaks English quite good. My son is 3 years old now and has already started learning some English. All the cartoons he gets to watch are in English.
M_T_M said:
I had to learn English fast 'cause saying "Yo quiero job" only took me so far in this country
Thanks for the motivation and kind words anyway
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I'm not even going to touch that issue... BIG hot button issue... But yeah, you've got a good point, when you need to learn something in order to survive, you're going to learn it fast.
I was forced to learn Engrish, at gun point.
Hello,everyone.I am just a Chinese Junior High School student and want to practise English in the forum,of course,I am very interested in Android OS though I haven't had an Android phone yet.I hope I can make friends with the memebers.
Age:14
Birthplace:Hebei Province,China
Certainly,I am a boy!
Welcome to the forums.
are you going to get an android device soon?
Welcome to forums
Read, Search, Respect and Enjoy!
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Birthplace: México City
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betalove said:
Hello,everyone.I am just a Chinese Junior High School student and want to practise English in the forum,of course,I am very interested in Android OS though I haven't had an Android phone yet.I hope I can make friends with the memebers.
Age:14
Birthplace:Hebei Province,China
Certainly,I am a boy!
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betalove said:
Hello,everyone.I am just a Chinese Junior High School student and want to practise English in the forum,of course,I am very interested in Android OS though I haven't had an Android phone yet.I hope I can make friends with the memebers.
Age:14
Birthplace:Hebei Province,China
Certainly,I am a boy!
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I wouldn't normally say anything, but since you said you are wanting to work on your English, I'll do some peer editing
Just a couple things:
-practice
- When you do punctuations in English, you add a space after them and before the next word. It makes it easier for others to read and separate your thoughts and ideas.
I'm certainly impressed though, your English at 14 is far better than my Chinese at 21
Welcome to the forum, you will make many friends here.
Your English is excellent by the way (BTW).
Welcome to the forums. Yes your English is good for a 14 year old, don't want to say that its excellent (for motivational reasons).
And as someone above me said, please use the spacebar after commas and other punctuation.
Orb, you playa.. made my laugh yet again 'Yes!' Haha
Join Team Llama!
That is all. Good Bye.
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betalove said:
Hello,everyone.I am just a Chinese Junior High School student and want to practise English in the forum,of course,I am very interested in Android OS though I haven't had an Android phone yet.I hope I can make friends with the memebers.
Age:14
Birthplace:Hebei Province,China
Certainly,I am a boy!
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welcome to the forums. You should join Team LLama . We need a Ninja to learn ninja skills to take over XDA.
hey, im a 12 year kid in the US that has nothing to do ever (because I get straight A's easy) so i go on xda and hack the crap out of my android. btw, i speak chinese too( go bilingual people) as my parents only know chinese so ummm yeah... welcome to xda!
kevina90 said:
hey, im a 12 year kid in the US that has nothing to do ever (because I get straight A's easy) so i go on xda and hack the crap out of my android. btw, i speak chinese too( go bilingual people) as my parents only know chinese so ummm yeah... welcome to xda!
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What sick teacher is giving you an "A" in English?
Poor grammar,
Horrible Punctuation,
I don't even see a single capitalized word in any of your run on sentences!
FAIL FAIL FAIL!!!!
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welcome to the forums. You should join Team LLama . We need a Ninja to learn ninja skills to take over XDA.
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You fail too!!!!! Ninjas are Japanese!!!!!!
DAILY DOUBLE FAIL!!!!
kevina90 said:
hey, im a 12 year kid in the US that has nothing to do ever (because I get straight A's easy) so i go on xda and hack the crap out of my android. btw, i speak chinese too( go bilingual people) as my parents only know chinese so ummm yeah... welcome to xda!
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nice , now ya get banned for not bein 13
fail #3
and u even write it in ur sig
fail #4
telegraph0000 said:
What sick teacher is giving you an "A" in English?
Poor grammar,
Horrible Punctuation,
I don't even see a single capitalized word in any of your run on sentences!
FAIL FAIL FAIL!!!!
You fail too!!!!! Ninjas are Japanese!!!!!!
DAILY DOUBLE FAIL!!!!
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damn u are right!! I meant Learn Kung Fu panda
urbanengine1 said:
Welcome to the forums.
are you going to get an android device soon?
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Oh,you know Chinese people are not as rich as American people.I think I am too poor to get an android device.Maybe you can send one to me.
Thank you,I will.
If I make a mistake,I hope most of memebers (not all) can forgive me.
I believe I can learn a lot of useful things from the forum that is full of cool hackers and developers.
betalove said:
Oh,you know Chinese people are not as rich as American people.I think I am too poor to get an android device.Maybe you can send one to me.
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betalove said:
Thank you,I will.
If I make a mistake,I hope most of memebers (not all) can forgive me.
I believe I can learn a lot of useful things from the forum that is full of cool hackers and developers.
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When you type with punctuations, use a space after the punctuation. A good way to learn this is to use Microsoft Word and see everything that's underlined green and red. Usually it comes with explanation.
That said and done, your written English is alright but from my understanding of Chinese English users, your spoken English will be more useful to get a good first impression. While I do advice reading of English materials from the standard package of magazines and newspapers (Reader's Digest, for one), learning to listen and speak the language will be more difficult. One thing I can suggest is to listen to English news broadcast from either Britain or the USA. Listen to the way they speak, and try to follow their tone. Inflection (the emphasis on which syllable to stress on) is another danger for non-native speakers. On a side note, training in music helps here because you know what to hear for
As a multi-linguist, I also caution against the use of translating words directly from one language to another. You will lose the grammatical structure and the nuances of the language when you do that. While it may get you started, the way English speakers speak English and the way non-English speakers speak English is different and almost immediately noticeable.
As someone who has helped a lot of non-English users get proficient with the language, I recommend several tools:
1. Google Translate <- translate major languages as well as the pronunciation.
2. Google Chrome <- highlight word, right-click, search!
Last but not least, welcome to XDA!
Age: 25
Birthplace: Somewhere in Malaysia, Malaysia
Certainly, I am a boy! <- FTW!
And @orb3000... he's 14, so
SEX: right hand
/the internet is for pr0n
booyakasha said:
I wouldn't normally say anything, but since you said you are wanting to work on your English, I'll do some peer editing
Just a couple things:
-practice
- When you do punctuations in English, you add a space after them and before the next word. It makes it easier for others to read and separate your thoughts and ideas.
I'm certainly impressed though, your English at 14 is far better than my Chinese at 21
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Thank you for your praise and suggestion. I think I am quite weak in English if I want to be a programmer. I will do my best.
sakai4eva said:
When you type with punctuations, use a space after the punctuation. A good way to learn this is to use Microsoft Word and see everything that's underlined green and red. Usually it comes with explanation.
That said and done, your written English is alright but from my understanding of Chinese English users, your spoken English will be more useful to get a good first impression. While I do advice reading of English materials from the standard package of magazines and newspapers (Reader's Digest, for one), learning to listen and speak the language will be more difficult. One thing I can suggest is to listen to English news broadcast from either Britain or the USA. Listen to the way they speak, and try to follow their tone. Inflection (the emphasis on which syllable to stress on) is another danger for non-native speakers. On a side note, training in music helps here because you know what to hear for
As a multi-linguist, I also caution against the use of translating words directly from one language to another. You will lose the grammatical structure and the nuances of the language when you do that. While it may get you started, the way English speakers speak English and the way non-English speakers speak English is different and almost immediately noticeable.
As someone who has helped a lot of non-English users get proficient with the language, I recommend several tools:
1. Google Translate <- translate major languages as well as the pronunciation.
2. Google Chrome <- highlight word, right-click, search!
Last but not least, welcome to XDA!
Age: 25
Birthplace: Somewhere in Malaysia, Malaysia
Certainly, I am a boy! <- FTW!
And @orb3000... he's 14, so
SEX: right hand
/the internet is for pr0n
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That's very useful. Thank you very much!
I am not sure what to learn. I started learning French a while back, it was quite hard. Haven't officially given up but I've not studied it for over a year now... I still can understand very simple texts, but can hardly speak it, and man the dictation is a pain in the a$$! I'm not sure to continue French or start a new one, like German, or Italian?
What do you think?
Any practical reason, or just to challenge yourself?
In my case, living in southern California, USA, Spanish is almost a must. No other language would be of any use....well, maybe some Asian languages, but Spanish sound easier
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Well, you already have the advantage of being bilingual, so you could probably learn faster than someone like me. The little bit of Spanish I do know gets me by, but I'm just too embarrassed to speak it. I never feel like I'm saying it right.
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TheSkinnyDrummer said:
Any practical reason, or just to challenge yourself?
In my case, living in southern California, USA, Spanish is almost a must. No other language would be of any use....well, maybe some Asian languages, but Spanish sound easier
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Agreed, we have on our Country Spanish as 1st language and English 2nd. I've heard on other countries that spanish is a must, contrary to french.and Portuguese as 3 or 4 years ago.
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John McClane said:
Agreed, we have on our Country Spanish as 1st language and English 2nd. I've heard on other countries that spanish is a must, contrary to french.and Portuguese as 3 or 4 years ago.
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What is tricky for me though was being raised on the east coast. The Spanish they teach there is the Puerto Rico dialect. When I moved to California, I realized how different it is. So the 4 years I spent learning Spanish is almost of no use now. Ahh well.
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m1l4droid said:
Spanish is necessary for America but I don't see myself going there. I prefer Europe.
I'm thinking of these languages:
1. French, I know a little (very little, but still), It's a nice language, but quite hard.
2. German, I don't know why but I like it. Easier than French too.
3. Italian, I like it. Easier than French.
I'm not really into Spanish...
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My ancestry is German. I've been interested in learning it.
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French is a matter of getting the specifics down. It's kind of odd at first in that different endings on verbs are pronounced the same way, having to add consonance only if there's a vowel following certain words, using possessive adjectives that modify the thing they are possessing, not the owner. Just starting it but I love it.
I think Spanish will be my next language because I have a number of friends from South America. Going to learn German eventually because I must visit the home of the VW Audi Group someday.
I would ask to learn spanish.. or italian.. i love both of these languages..
Don't forget to hit 'THANKS' if I helped..
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John McClane said:
Agreed, we have on our Country Spanish as 1st language and English 2nd.
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The US is on its way to that. Lol
As a native german, learn german but i think italia is a nicer land because of the wheather
m1l4droid said:
1. French, I know a little (very little, but still), It's a nice language, but quite hard.
2. German, I don't know why but I like it. Easier than French too.
3. Italian, I like it. Easier than French.
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I feel like you should probably finish French, once you know one language the second one that is similiar (like French and Italian) is much easier. I know a fair bit of French and could pick up basic Italian (enough to get by) within a few days.
85gallon said:
The US is on its way to that. Lol
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San Diego is leading the charge.
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French...
It isn't that difficult
For a challenge though, try arabic...
Typed on a small touchscreen
Try Irish but I doubt they teach that over in the US. And no matter what they say, ITS NOT GØD DAMN GAELIC!
Its quite easy to learn apart from the verbs, they may be difficult
You are all fools. Chinese, learn Chinese. You won't regret it in 20 years when the whole west is named "The United States Of China".
Also, it's a HUGE plus to have chinese as a second or third language when you want to find a highly paid tech job in Singapore or whatever.
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You are all fools. Chinese, learn Chinese. You won't regret it in 20 years when the whole west is named "The United States Of China".
Also, it's a HUGE plus to have chinese as a second or third language when you want to find a highly paid tech job in Singapore or whatever.
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Now that's a good point
But those tech geeks won't be staying in the East for much longa!
I bet they're gonna make a device to telaport em to the WEST!
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If you want some challenge, try Portuguese. Verbs in English have 3 possible ways, and most of them applies to all the pronouns. In Portuguese, you have AT LEAST 9 different verbs times and one for each pronoun ( Me, you, he/she, we, them and he/she ( plural))
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You teach me some more arabic and I'll teach you french
Felimenta97 said:
If you want some challenge, try Portuguese. Verbs in English have 3 possible ways, and most of them applies to all the pronouns. In Portuguese, you have AT LEAST 9 different verbs times and one for each pronoun ( Me, you, he/she, we, them and he/she ( plural))
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All I need to know is "Where are the whores?" for when I go to Brazil!!
85gallon said:
All I need to know is "Where are the whores?" for when I go to Brazil!!
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that's all the Secret Service cares about apparently
I'm from Argentina and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only user from a country where spanish is the main language.
My problem is on XDA TV: I can understand what you say at most parts of the videos, but at other parts I don't.
I'm not requesting you to translate the whole video, or looking for latin america developers.
I think the problem is that I'm used to listen to spanish and when listening to a natural english (not the english teached on schools) I get confused.
But reading english is MUCH easier than listening, so adding subtitles may be a good way to reach more people and increase XDA TV audience!
I hope this info helps you!
good idea
NeriL said:
I'm from Argentina and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only user from a country where spanish is the main language.
My problem is on XDA TV: I can understand what you say at most parts of the videos, but at other parts I don't.
I'm not requesting you to translate the whole video, or looking for latin america developers.
I think the problem is that I'm used to listen to spanish and when listening to a natural english (not the english teached on schools) I get confused.
But reading english is MUCH easier than listening, so adding subtitles may be a good way to reach more people and increase XDA TV audience!
I hope this info helps you!
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Great idea - Subtitles could help follow along fast too even for native English speakers. :good:
+1 on the subtitles. That would make it nice for low-volume viewing
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Youtube has automated Subtitles. Why dont you use that?
It works perfectly if people talk at normal speed.. But some videos (I. E. The guy in 'how a D student became a developer' video) are talked VERY fast and auto-subtitles gets confused..
I vote for subtitles as well. As a person who wears two hearing aids; I never watch any of the XDA videos because of the lack of subtitles.
SMillerNL said:
Youtube has automated Subtitles. Why dont you use that?
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Have you ever tried the automatic subtitles? They are terrible! (okay, they are good for a laugh to see the randomness it comes up with)
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