Hi !
Little Disclaimer :
- This thread is based on my own opinion about the device and Xiaomi as a smartphone maker.
- The best thing that you can do is make your own opinion about this.
Let's start.
My concerns about Mi 11 starts with the battery which is pretty bad with MIUI. (i bought this phone at the end of January brand new, so it's not aging battery stuff)
Second is thermals, this is really something that touched my user experience here, this phone can gets VERY HOT. 40 degres on regular usage sometimes.
(most of the time you can use the device proprely, i'm talking about heat but it may not be as a concern, tho it is for components :/)
Those may be little concerns for some people, tho i picture this like that : This phone should carry me to at least 4 Generations of Android and Smartphones.
So here was my device concerns about it, it may seem stupid at first glance but those are already pretty big reasons for me.
Next is MIUI and Xiaomi Choices, and oh boy.
Let's start simple, Unlocking a Xiaomi Smartphone.
For after market selling reasons and more, Unlocking a Xiaomi Smartphone will need 1/2 weeks of waiting :
First reason is bricking, Xiaomi dosen't want people to brick their phones because unexperienced users wanted to adventure for more. (Will talk about bricking later)
Second is Modified MIUI, Some not very serious sellers were getting some Modified MIUI ROM device and selling them without knowing about it. (slight privacy concern ^^)
And really, i don't see how waiting time could help!
People are owning their phones and can do whatever they want with them, and this will not change anything... People are just going to wait then get their phones unlocked later.
And for After market selling, it is a sort of fix but someday, shady importers are gonna get around it. And if you think about it, there is way more better ways to limit this.
Now it's brick time.
I'm not gonna go much in detail about Soft Brick, because there is not much to talk about here.
EDL Brick have tho, and it's not simple stuff.
But yeah, EDL Bricking.
Xiaomi have pretty nice reputation about it
First of, MIUI 13 and the Mi 11 Lineup. If you don't know, some devices we're reported bricking after installing MIUI 13, and those we're most of the Mi 11 Lineup.
For some perspective, Google got the Pixel 6 FP Sensor bricked on a Pixel Update. Not very cool but they recovered.
Samsung too got S20 screens bricked on an update, yes. lol
But bricking the full device is a whole other level, and with how poor Xiaomi's EDL Mode is (will talk about it later), this dosen't come nice together.
Also, as a DLC for this , Indian Release of this faulty version also bricked Cameras.
So yeah, MIUI dosen't seem to deal very nice with it.
Tho there is a whole other problem, HOW EDL Mode works on Xiaomi Phones !
Basically, Xiaomi dosen't want you to recover from EDL yourself. Their EDL Mode needs a login that only them have.
Tho you can still get around it, some people are selling an unbrick login for your device for money, they are probably Xiaomi employees and Xiaomi probably dosen't want them to exist.
What if your phone turns off on EDL?
You need to open your device and connect two EDL Pin points TOGETHER ! Yes, warranty.
And to finish, MIUI.
MIUI is in a very bad state right now in my opinion, i found 12.5 releases pretty good but 13 is terrible. (in my opinion)
I don't like how global releases gets nothing of what chinese one has, MIUI 13 Global is reskined 12.5 on A12 but with no monet theming.
The bloatware is worse than Samsung back in the day, and results in terrible battery life.
And MIUI exclusives aren't very special, AI Enhancements for imaging are mostly limited to MIUI Apps so i don't see how it could be useful.
So here it is, some informations may be incorrect because i'm mostly what i know about it, tho it is good enough to make a proper opinion.
And remember, making yours will be much better! The Mi 11 isn't a bad device in my mind, it has the potential to please a lot of people i think!
Thanks for reading all of this.
Have a good day!
- kota.
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Totally agree my main concern are thermals and battery
On top of that SD 888 doesn't make things better also I had an aging 5 years moto x play and wanted to buy a flagship that will carry me at least 3 years, but guess what it was the worst year to buy an Android flagship with the SD 888
That's why I'll try Pixel Experience instead of MIUI.
Antyhaker said:
That's why I'll try Pixel Experience instead of MIUI.
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Sure, even tho i'm selling my device i will stay and update this thread
Antyhaker said:
That's why I'll try Pixe
I'm waiting for your feedback on this novel
l Experience instead of MIUI.
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iBURGER said:
Totally agree my main concern are thermals and battery
On top of that SD 888 doesn't make things better also I had an aging 5 years moto x play and wanted to buy a flagship that will carry me at least 3 years, but guess what it was the worst year to buy an Android flagship with the SD 888
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actually, if you want some advice poco F3 + custom roms play very nice together.
tho i'm going oneplus 9 pro
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kotalol said:
Hi !
Little Disclaimer :
- This thread is based on my own opinion about the device and Xiaomi as a smartphone maker.
- The best thing that you can do is make your own opinion about this.
Let's start.
I'm selling my Xiaomi Mi 11 for several reasons, most don't coming from the device itself and more as Xiaomi choices and MIUI.
My concerns about Mi 11 starts with the battery which is pretty bad with MIUI. (i bought this phone at the end of January brand new, so it's not aging battery stuff)
Second is thermals, this is really something that touched my user experience here, this phone can gets VERY HOT. 40 degres on regular usage sometimes.
(most of the time you can use the device proprely, i'm talking about heat but it may not be as a concern, tho it is for components :/)
Those may be little concerns for some people, tho i picture this like that : This phone should carry me to at least 4 Generations of Android and Smartphones.
So here was my device concerns about it, it may seem stupid at first glance but those are already pretty big reasons for me.
Next is MIUI and Xiaomi Choices, and oh boy.
Let's start simple, Unlocking a Xiaomi Smartphone.
For after market selling reasons and more, Unlocking a Xiaomi Smartphone will need 1/2 weeks of waiting :
First reason is bricking, Xiaomi dosen't want people to brick their phones because unexperienced users wanted to adventure for more. (Will talk about bricking later)
Second is Modified MIUI, Some not very serious sellers were getting some Modified MIUI ROM device and selling them without knowing about it. (slight privacy concern ^^)
And really, i don't see how waiting time could help!
People are owning their phones and can do whatever they want with them, and this will not change anything... People are just going to wait then get their phones unlocked later.
And for After market selling, it is a sort of fix but someday, shady importers are gonna get around it. And if you think about it, there is way more better ways to limit this.
Now it's brick time.
I'm not gonna go much in detail about Soft Brick, because there is not much to talk about here.
EDL Brick have tho, and it's not simple stuff.
But yeah, EDL Bricking.
Xiaomi have pretty nice reputation about it
First of, MIUI 13 and the Mi 11 Lineup. If you don't know, some devices we're reported bricking after installing MIUI 13, and those we're most of the Mi 11 Lineup.
For some perspective, Google got the Pixel 6 FP Sensor bricked on a Pixel Update. Not very cool but they recovered.
Samsung too got S20 screens bricked on an update, yes. lol
But bricking the full device is a whole other level, and with how poor Xiaomi's EDL Mode is (will talk about it later), this dosen't come nice together.
Also, as a DLC for this , Indian Release of this faulty version also bricked Cameras.
So yeah, MIUI dosen't seem to deal very nice with it.
Tho there is a whole other problem, HOW EDL Mode works on Xiaomi Phones !
Basically, Xiaomi dosen't want you to recover from EDL yourself. Their EDL Mode needs a login that only them have.
Tho you can still get around it, some people are selling an unbrick login for your device for money, they are probably Xiaomi employees and Xiaomi probably dosen't want them to exist.
But also, you need to open your device and connect two EDL Pin points TOGETHER ! Yes, warranty.
And to finish, MIUI.
MIUI is in a very bad state right now in my opinion, i found 12.5 releases pretty good but 13 is terrible. (in my opinion)
I don't like how global releases gets nothing of what chinese one has, MIUI 13 Global is reskined 12.5 on A12 but with no monet theming.
The bloatware is worse than Samsung back in the day, and results in terrible battery life.
And MIUI exclusives aren't very special, AI Enhancements for imaging are mostly limited to MIUI Apps so i don't see how it could be useful.
So here it is, some informations may be incorrect because i'm mostly what i know about it, tho it is good enough to make a proper opinion.
And remember, making yours will be much better! The Mi 11 isn't a bad device in my mind, it has the potential to please a lot of people i think!
Thanks for reading all of this.
Have a good day!
- kota.
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It's a really nice designed phone with beautiful display and speakers. And that's about it. I don't have battery issues because I tweak a lot and I end my day with 40 - 20 % battery left depending of usage. Cameras are bad or let's say not so good. It with scam mod they are great. But my main sensor is blurred now and only focus when I tapped it. Which is disappointing and annoying. MIUI 13.... Dear God... How come such a smart people work there and they manage to **** things up instead making things better? None of my apps (messenger, Viber and Whatsapp) save sound ringtones if I change them , they revert to default after every phone restart... This one is so annoying it makes me wanna throw the phone in to the river. The other one is removing force dark mode from developer options! Bad decision! I am thinking to go back to 12.5 which have that option , but since I hard bricked my device EDL locked, nothing on the screen, no fastboot no recovery and I had to pay 35$ to flash and fix it , I don't have balls to try to downgrade to 12.5.... I am not having fun with miui13. This devise requires lot of tweaking, which is fun but sometimes painful. All in all just those 2 major things for me , can't force dark mode on certain apps (hard bricked trying to) and can't change sounds of messenger Viber and Whatsapp.... Maybe there are more things but now they are not on my mind. I am also searching for new device.. any suggestions are appreciated
Oh yeah, still can't use gestures with nova launcher....
kotalol said:
Hi !
Little Disclaimer :
- This thread is based on my own opinion about the device and Xiaomi as a smartphone maker.
- The best thing that you can do is make your own opinion about this.
Let's start.
I'm selling my Xiaomi Mi 11 for several reasons, most don't coming from the device itself and more as Xiaomi choices and MIUI.
My concerns about Mi 11 starts with the battery which is pretty bad with MIUI. (i bought this phone at the end of January brand new, so it's not aging battery stuff)
Second is thermals, this is really something that touched my user experience here, this phone can gets VERY HOT. 40 degres on regular usage sometimes.
(most of the time you can use the device proprely, i'm talking about heat but it may not be as a concern, tho it is for components :/)
Those may be little concerns for some people, tho i picture this like that : This phone should carry me to at least 4 Generations of Android and Smartphones.
So here was my device concerns about it, it may seem stupid at first glance but those are already pretty big reasons for me.
Next is MIUI and Xiaomi Choices, and oh boy.
Let's start simple, Unlocking a Xiaomi Smartphone.
For after market selling reasons and more, Unlocking a Xiaomi Smartphone will need 1/2 weeks of waiting :
First reason is bricking, Xiaomi dosen't want people to brick their phones because unexperienced users wanted to adventure for more. (Will talk about bricking later)
Second is Modified MIUI, Some not very serious sellers were getting some Modified MIUI ROM device and selling them without knowing about it. (slight privacy concern ^^)
And really, i don't see how waiting time could help!
People are owning their phones and can do whatever they want with them, and this will not change anything... People are just going to wait then get their phones unlocked later.
And for After market selling, it is a sort of fix but someday, shady importers are gonna get around it. And if you think about it, there is way more better ways to limit this.
Now it's brick time.
I'm not gonna go much in detail about Soft Brick, because there is not much to talk about here.
EDL Brick have tho, and it's not simple stuff.
But yeah, EDL Bricking.
Xiaomi have pretty nice reputation about it
First of, MIUI 13 and the Mi 11 Lineup. If you don't know, some devices we're reported bricking after installing MIUI 13, and those we're most of the Mi 11 Lineup.
For some perspective, Google got the Pixel 6 FP Sensor bricked on a Pixel Update. Not very cool but they recovered.
Samsung too got S20 screens bricked on an update, yes. lol
But bricking the full device is a whole other level, and with how poor Xiaomi's EDL Mode is (will talk about it later), this dosen't come nice together.
Also, as a DLC for this , Indian Release of this faulty version also bricked Cameras.
So yeah, MIUI dosen't seem to deal very nice with it.
Tho there is a whole other problem, HOW EDL Mode works on Xiaomi Phones !
Basically, Xiaomi dosen't want you to recover from EDL yourself. Their EDL Mode needs a login that only them have.
Tho you can still get around it, some people are selling an unbrick login for your device for money, they are probably Xiaomi employees and Xiaomi probably dosen't want them to exist.
But also, you need to open your device and connect two EDL Pin points TOGETHER ! Yes, warranty.
And to finish, MIUI.
MIUI is in a very bad state right now in my opinion, i found 12.5 releases pretty good but 13 is terrible. (in my opinion)
I don't like how global releases gets nothing of what chinese one has, MIUI 13 Global is reskined 12.5 on A12 but with no monet theming.
The bloatware is worse than Samsung back in the day, and results in terrible battery life.
And MIUI exclusives aren't very special, AI Enhancements for imaging are mostly limited to MIUI Apps so i don't see how it could be useful.
So here it is, some informations may be incorrect because i'm mostly what i know about it, tho it is good enough to make a proper opinion.
And remember, making yours will be much better! The Mi 11 isn't a bad device in my mind, it has the potential to please a lot of people i think!
Thanks for reading all of this.
Have a good day!
- kota.
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I`m disagree with you. I love this phone (i use xiaomi eu rom). Photo quality, display quality, movie quality is perfect. And i love miui (i have no problems with it, i use xiaomi eu).
Only one dissadvantage is hot (with i agree with U) - when i play civilization 6 its very hot
dromaczek said:
I`m disagree with you. I love this phone (i use xiaomi eu rom). Photo quality, display quality, movie quality is perfect. And i love miui (i have no problems with it, i use xiaomi eu).
Only one dissadvantage is hot (with i agree with U) - when i play civilization 6 its very hot
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nice but i'm talking about global miui
My wife use it, it's ok too
Mi 11 is easily the worst 2021 flagship.
Bad battery life, and MIUI is just awful.
Wahoux said:
Mi 11 is easily the worst 2021 flagship.
Bad battery life, and MIUI is just awful.
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nope, not the worst but clearly not the best,
and battery life is good if you use an aosp and not miui
Asnamus said:
It's a really nice designed phone with beautiful display and speakers. And that's about it. I don't have battery issues because I tweak a lot and I end my day with 40 - 20 % battery left depending of usage. Cameras are bad or let's say not so good. It with scam mod they are great. But my main sensor is blurred now and only focus when I tapped it. Which is disappointing and annoying. MIUI 13.... Dear God... How come such a smart people work there and they manage to **** things up instead making things better? None of my apps (messenger, Viber and Whatsapp) save sound ringtones if I change them , they revert to default after every phone restart... This one is so annoying it makes me wanna throw the phone in to the river. The other one is removing force dark mode from developer options! Bad decision! I am thinking to go back to 12.5 which have that option , but since I hard bricked my device EDL locked, nothing on the screen, no fastboot no recovery and I had to pay 35$ to flash and fix it , I don't have balls to try to downgrade to 12.5.... I am not having fun with miui13. This devise requires lot of tweaking, which is fun but sometimes painful. All in all just those 2 major things for me , can't force dark mode on certain apps (hard bricked trying to) and can't change sounds of messenger Viber and Whatsapp.... Maybe there are more things but now they are not on my mind. I am also searching for new device.. any suggestions are appreciated
Oh yeah, still can't use gestures with nova launcher....
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If you have root i think you can use quick switch for gestures
kotalol said:
nope, not the worst but clearly not the best,
and battery life is good if you use an aosp and not miui
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Yes but there is no interest for mi 11 on xda and no rom really stable
Asnamus said:
It's a really nice designed phone with beautiful display and speakers. And that's about it. I don't have battery issues because I tweak a lot and I end my day with 40 - 20 % battery left depending of usage. Cameras are bad or let's say not so good. It with scam mod they are great. But my main sensor is blurred now and only focus when I tapped it. Which is disappointing and annoying. MIUI 13.... Dear God... How come such a smart people work there and they manage to **** things up instead making things better? None of my apps (messenger, Viber and Whatsapp) save sound ringtones if I change them , they revert to default after every phone restart... This one is so annoying it makes me wanna throw the phone in to the river. The other one is removing force dark mode from developer options! Bad decision! I am thinking to go back to 12.5 which have that option , but since I hard bricked my device EDL locked, nothing on the screen, no fastboot no recovery and I had to pay 35$ to flash and fix it , I don't have balls to try to downgrade to 12.5.... I am not having fun with miui13. This devise requires lot of tweaking, which is fun but sometimes painful. All in all just those 2 major things for me , can't force dark mode on certain apps (hard bricked trying to) and can't change sounds of messenger Viber and Whatsapp.... Maybe there are more things but now they are not on my mind. I am also searching for new device.. any suggestions are appreciated
Oh yeah, still can't use gestures with nova launcher....
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If you are rooted you can install the Magisk module 'No Navbar v1.0' from Abdulwahab and use FNG without any problem.
Wahoux said:
Yes but there is no interest for mi 11 on xda and no rom really stable
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Cause
Phone is expensive, nobody want to make room cause people make room for cheaper phone. It has support from Xiaomi, which is great
Wahoux said:
Mi 11 is easily the worst 2021 flagship.
Bad battery life, and MIUI is just awful.
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Why you keep posting same rant again and again, we all know you cant handle it ? Wipe your tears and change forum. I suggest Doro or similar for you.
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Xiaomi promises to update to Android 6 our beloved Note pro, when are this gonna happen?
Other phones with same processor Snap 810 already has android 6 running like one plus 2.
Xiaomi keep giving us useless updates, and when comes with one good update is full of bugs. - No real developing for our Note pro.
Some coustom roms (3 roms and android 5.1.1 - Mokke and CM12.1 (batery drain problem and developer abandoned this roms), Flyme (full of chinese stuff dont get me wrong, but i can not read chinese, at least the apps could be in english. no google play and gives error installing gapps, ota update gives error and can not install any update)- so little developing.
Any one can give us a real working rom (not Miui) whithout this problems and if it can be android 6?
I don't think there's much going to be in terms of development. If you check github for mokee on the other thread, there's bit of activity.
I think we all agree that the phone is not that impressive especially issues with overheating 810. I don't care what miui fanboys say but it definitely heats up when charging and browsing at the same time. You can't touch your face with top corner of the phone due to the hear. I guess we were wrong if we thought if we able to flash other rooms other miui.
Heck, my galaxy s2 is still getting weekly updates for LP and MM rows. Disappointing. Just going to get nexus 6p
Sent from my MI NOTE Pro using Tapatalk
If updates and roms are important to you then you picked the wrong oem for that.
zelendel said:
If updates and roms are important to you then you picked the wrong oem for that.
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Not a bad OEM at all, I do like Xiaomi but they do make some bad decisions sometimes. Wish there was more development from the community.
this is a great phone, with great specs, but with poor developing, i hope that one or two developers can give us a really great android 6 rom
Given up on the mi note pro and bought G5, guess what nothing happening here in the way of roms either, my wife has the note pro now.
Kahun said:
Not a bad OEM at all, I do like Xiaomi but they do make some bad decisions sometimes. Wish there was more development from the community.
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You have to understand that the main developers wont touch their devices. Every now and then someone might port the rom or bring it up but it is always just some random person. The main devs for big teams avoid this OEM like the plague
zelendel said:
If updates and roms are important to you then you picked the wrong oem for that.
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Obviously, I can see that you typical fanboy
Sent from my MI NOTE Pro using Tapatalk
Gurusev_Uppal said:
Obviously, I can see that you typical fanboy
Sent from my MI NOTE Pro using Tapatalk
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First off don't be mad because you did t do your research before getting a device.
Second I would watch how you speak to me before you end up removed.
helderfp said:
this is a great phone, with great specs, but with poor developing, i hope that one or two developers can give us a really great android 6 rom
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To an extent, the heating issues are a fact for mi note pro and other mi phones are getting aosp roms but not much for mi note pro which is flagship device.
Having said that other oem phones with 810 are getting updates and there is overheating issues
Sent from my MI NOTE Pro using Tapatalk
zelendel said:
You have to understand that the main developers wont touch their devices. Every now and then someone might port the rom or bring it up but it is always just some random person. The main devs for big teams avoid this OEM like the plague
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And why the main devs for big teams avoid this OEM like the plague any reason?
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And why the main devs for big teams avoid this OEM like the plague any reason?
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There are many reasons. The first being that this OEM seldom puts out the proper source code. Violating the GPL is a common thing for china/Asia based devices. Not something 3rd party devs like very much. Then you also have the fact that the MIUI team are known Kangers to the point of removing authorship on commits. We all know how well that goes over. You have to remember where MIUI started. Right here. There is a reason they were banned for so long from here. Another is the warez market that replaces the PlayStore in China based devices. Need I go on?
Don't worry we will see soon Android 6 on the new Miui 8 for our phone...and since there is no problem, there is no need to get new roms but would not be bad to have more choise, also if I would like they care more about camera that is not enough optimized for its quality
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Now I know seem very negative about this OEM and in truth I am. The greatest joy I get is when users like you guys do it anyway. Just because the devs for the teams don't get the devices to support doesn't mean hope is lost. It all depends on how much effort you guys want to put in. You have the devices now so you have 2 choices. 1. Take what they give you and accept it. Or 2. Refuse to and make things happen. The first is the easiest road to take.
There are thousands of threads to help. Read up and see what you guys can do. Remember that is how xda started. Taking what oems gave us and making them better. The ball is and always has been in the users court.
Gurusev_Uppal said:
I think we all agree that the phone is not that impressive especially issues with overheating 810. I don't care what miui fanboys say but it definitely heats up when charging and browsing at the same time. You can't touch your face with top corner of the phone due to the hear.
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I'm not a fanboy of anything (except maybe Fanboy's Adblock List) but I don't experience any of those "810 issues" that get mentioned so much. I use the phone on a daily basis and it never overheats. Granted, I don't play games, so if you do, YMMV. In my usage scenario, the phone can get a little warm when simultaneously charging and using GPS navigation with screen always on but just when browsing? This I really don't get.
To me the phone is actually quite impressive, especially considering how much (or how little) I paid for it. The only annoyance is that the battery capacity could be larger than the ~3000 mAh. That being said, I don't think it's a power drain issue as it's primarily the screen time that is sucking the battery juice, and that is to be expected. So if they could fit a 4000-5000 mAh battery into it, it would have made a marked difference. Other than that, the phone is great.
The little developer attention it gets is because of its limited availability in the West, which is where most (and the best part of) the community-driven development happens. And even in China, the Note Pro has been the most expensive Xiaomi device ever sold to-date. With it, Xiaomi were trying to break into another market segment, or perhaps at least establish themselves as a company that does "premium" phones too. It was never really supposed to sell in high numbers, and for this reason the availability of promotional pricing was also limited. Most of the time, the phone was not really cheap already in China, and when resold abroad through middlemen that also had to earn their cut, it was never going to become a proposition for the masses.
Basically, for high developer activity you need to have a wide user base in the cultural West, due to in particular better work-life balance and the open-source ethos. Missing out on this is Xiaomi's biggest weakness, especially aggravated in America due to the lack of local 4G band support. If you want a lot of development, buy a Nexus device, although these days it pretty much guarantees you'll be overpaying for the hardware. Some Xiaomi devices also get quite a lot of development but for this you should choose a lower-cost one that is or will eventually be released globally. The Redmi Note 3 Pro is one example of such a device and it has already overtaken the Mi Note Pro in terms of development despite being released much later.
As for myself, I prefer MIUI to AOSP/CM in terms of interface although I'm not really happy with the direction its development seems to have taken (MIUI becoming more bloated and less customizable). It would of course be great to have an alternative in case I have to jump the ship but the hype with the version bump from Android 5.1 to 6.0 (which should more accurately be numbered 4.5.1 and 4.6) again I don't get.
Just my 2¢...
zelendel said:
You have to understand that the main developers wont touch their devices. Every now and then someone might port the rom or bring it up but it is always just some random person. The main devs for big teams avoid this OEM like the plague
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That's understandable but it's not the OEM but the actual device. Firstly if you look at phones like the main Mi series or the Redmi series they have HUGE amount of development. The reason for that? .. Kernel sources were released early we didn't have to wait over a year and the user base is absolutely huge unlike the Mi Note Pro that's exclusive only to China no other Asian countries such as India. So you are like comparing OEM's that released a phone e.g HTC One (GLOBALLY) which everyone can get to a Mi Note Pro (EXCLUSIVE TO CHINA) that's why there is hardly any development going + the delay of kernel sources and forgot to mention a lot of people got for the cheaper option such as Mi Note which has a lot more development as the USER BASE IS BIGGER. Simple? If you were developing an app what would you develop it for first? Android or Blackberry OS? Obviously Android as it has a bigger USER BASE. Same goes for the phones developers work on ROMs with a lot bigger user base where they will reach a lot bigger audience.
Even Xiaomi shows this with their actions:
The new MIUI8 Beta gets released for Mi Note, which is much wider spread (due to it's price difference). Even though the Pro has a much better SD810 compared to the Mi Note. That also went for most experiments like a Windows ROM for the Mi Note, but not for the Mi Note Pro.
Kahun said:
That's understandable but it's not the OEM but the actual device. Firstly if you look at phones like the main Mi series or the Redmi series they have HUGE amount of development. The reason for that? .. Kernel sources were released early we didn't have to wait over a year and the user base is absolutely huge unlike the Mi Note Pro that's exclusive only to China no other Asian countries such as India. So you are like comparing OEM's that released a phone e.g HTC One (GLOBALLY) which everyone can get to a Mi Note Pro (EXCLUSIVE TO CHINA) that's why there is hardly any development going + the delay of kernel sources and forgot to mention a lot of people got for the cheaper option such as Mi Note which has a lot more development as the USER BASE IS BIGGER. Simple? If you were developing an app what would you develop it for first? Android or Blackberry OS? Obviously Android as it has a bigger USER BASE. Same goes for the phones developers work on ROMs with a lot bigger user base where they will reach a lot bigger audience.
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See you are looking at this wrong. There is a hug diff between developers of roms and app developers. App developers want people using their apps. It's a great way to make money. Rom developers really couldn't care less.
The fact that it is only available in Asia is not really a big deal. Most developers here (myself encluded) have been importing devices for decades. Hell I was using a China based tilt for the FFC before apple ever released the first one stateside. So if developers wanted the device they could easily get it.
zelendel said:
See you are looking at this wrong. There is a hug diff between developers of roms and app developers. App developers want people using their apps. It's a great way to make money. Rom developers really couldn't care less.
The fact that it is only available in Asia is not really a big deal. Most developers here (myself encluded) have been importing devices for decades. Hell I was using a China based tilt for the FFC before apple ever released the first one stateside. So if developers wanted the device they could easily get it.
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So tell me the reason they stay away apart from taking ages with kernel sources
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So tell me the reason they stay away apart from taking ages with kernel sources
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You have to understand that MIUI has a history here. The team is known for taking the code of other devs and removing the authorship of the commit. (they were caught out and then they closed the source) There have been many supporters over the years. I was a huge fan when they started because the Theme engine had great potential. Key word is "had". The main developer for APT tool was a huge supporter for a while and then even he dropped all support for Xiaomi and MIUI.
The GPL is also a very big deal to most developers. It embodies that which Linux/Android is built on. Even when they do release it, it is never complete and needs fixing. This only happens because they are behind the China firewall.
If you notice it is not just this OEM. It is many others. If you look in team groups and pay attention you will notice a pattern. There are OEMs that are avoided. Xiaomi has been one of them for years. Huawei has also been one for a long time. Heck they were even on a ban list for Gov employees. And the dreaded Generic named device. Now this is for many reasons. Quality control, After sales ,support, GPL (android), Security concerns, The iphoneish look (this matters to many, far more then you would think). So there are some reasons. Hope this has offered some insight.
Hello people,
I am thinking of buying this phone as currently this is the perfect all round phone for the price. But, I see there is no development for it on XDA can anyone tell why so? Because I always use custom ROMs on my phone as I don't like this skinned versions. This is a big set back for me. Can anyone tell if there ever will be any development for this phone?
Thank you
ammarwajihi said:
Hello people,
I am thinking of buying this phone as currently this is the perfect all round phone for the price. But, I see there is no development for it on XDA can anyone tell why so? Because I always use custom ROMs on my phone as I don't like this skinned versions. This is a big set back for me. Can anyone tell if there ever will be any development for this phone?
Thank you
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I have had the phone for a few weeks and it is fantastic. 90hz is great and the fast charging is a life saver. The OS is pretty decent and I'm done with all the bugs of custom ROMs. Could be better but totally good enough.
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ammarwajihi said:
Hello people,
I am thinking of buying this phone as currently this is the perfect all round phone for the price. But, I see there is no development for it on XDA can anyone tell why so? Because I always use custom ROMs on my phone as I don't like this skinned versions. This is a big set back for me. Can anyone tell if there ever will be any development for this phone?
Thank you
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Sadly the main reason is that released sources are messy and not easily usable for custom rom building.
Luckily all phones released with Android 8+ have a separate vendor partition compatible with treble, a new way of updating the smartphone imposed by Google. This means you would be able to install any rom you want that was build as a generic GSI image.
I got this phone instead of a Xiaomi because the hardware is just so good, and I don't regret my choice. Also the software is not as bad as people say, of course it's not barebone Android but realme os should make it even better.
danypava said:
Sadly the main reason is that released sources are messy and not easily usable for custom rom building.
Luckily all phones released with Android 8+ have a separate vendor partition compatible with treble, a new way of updating the smartphone imposed by Google. This means you would be able to install any rom you want that was build as a generic GSI image.
I got this phone instead of a Xiaomi because the hardware is just so good, and I don't regret my choice. Also the software is not as bad as people say, of course it's not barebone Android but realme os should make it even better.
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I've sold my xiaomi mi note 10 and bouht x2 pro 12/256.
Didn't regret it for 1 second.
Thanks guys. I am confused between this one and Redmi K20 Pro, clearly this has good hardware and few other perks but K20 Pro has great development support.
ammarwajihi said:
Thanks guys. I am confused between this one and Redmi K20 Pro, clearly this has good hardware and few other perks but K20 Pro has great development support.
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I was too, but a couple of my friends have it and it broke in no time, I got scared it would be fragile.
I also got this for only 40€ more than the mi9t pro, and I would gladly take the 50W charging and the 90Hz over the popup
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I was too, but a couple of my friends have it and it broke in no time, I got scared it would be fragile.
I also got this for only 40€ more than the mi9t pro, and I would gladly take the 50W charging and the 90Hz over the popup
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Yes, that's true
I was looking at the k20 pro,mi note 10 and this and went for the X2 pro simply because of the value for money,
90 hz
12gb ram
256gb ufs 3.0
50 watt charging,
People say downside is colorOs and yes it is not as good as other OS like Oxygen Is which I came from.
But it is not terrible at all and perfectly good in most areas,
RealmeUI is coming though and it looks impressive giving all things you would want in a feature rich OS from AOD to edge lighting,Im really excited for it.
If ROM support is really that important to you then I guess go with a 7T but for those who are not too pushed the X2 is perfect
danypava said:
I was too, but a couple of my friends have it and it broke in no time, I got scared it would be fragile.
I also got this for only 40€ more than the mi9t pro, and I would gladly take the 50W charging and the 90Hz over the popup
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The world's most famous phone durability reviewer JerryRigEverything couldn't broke K20 Pro but your friends broke it in no time??? If you don't believe me find and watch video: Redmi K20 Pro Durability Test by JerryRigEverything.
So why are you lying and writing bad about other phones to make X2 Pro look better, that's not fair and honest?
Micronap said:
The world's most famous phone durability reviewer JerryRigEverything couldn't broke K20 Pro but your friends broke it in no time??? If you don't believe me find and watch video: Redmi K20 Pro Durability Test by JerryRigEverything.
So why are you lying and writing bad about other phones to make X2 Pro look better, that's not fair and honest?
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Woah woah dude, calm down. I follow Zack and see all of his reviews, I'm a phone fanatic and check out any news in the phone department.
Before this phone I had 2 different Xiaomi phones, I was valuating another one before getting this. I'm not attached to any brand or anything.
I'm just telling what happened to a couple of my friends, if you don't believe me I'll get photos of their phones but I don't see the point. I couldn't care less of what other people buy, the op just asked a question and I shared my experience.
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I was looking at the k20 pro,mi note 10 and this and went for the X2 pro simply because of the value for money,
90 hz
12gb ram
256gb ufs 3.0
50 watt charging,
People say downside is colorOs and yes it is not as good as other OS like Oxygen Is which I came from.
But it is not terrible at all and perfectly good in most areas,
RealmeUI is coming though and it looks impressive giving all things you would want in a feature rich OS from AOD to edge lighting,Im really excited for it.
If ROM support is really that important to you then I guess go with a 7T but for those who are not too pushed the X2 is perfect
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Yeah, it is value for money for sure. These companies are not like Apple that they will give software updates for 3-4 years, they suddenly drop support that's what I am afraid of.
That's why ROM development is very important for me I always want to use the latest Android. 7T is out of budget so I may opt for K20 Pro.
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Yeah, it is value for money for sure. These companies are not like Apple that they will give software updates for 3-4 years, they suddenly drop support that's what I am afraid of.
That's why ROM development is very important for me I always want to use the latest Android. 7T is out of budget so I may opt for K20 Pro.
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I think people will refrain from unlocking and flashing because it breaks the FOD.
That is what made me go for the k20 because if you are a flashaholic like me, custom development is what matters the most.
I have suffered with my first phone with no development, the Coolpad Note 3. When new it seems nice but as time passes by with no updates. It gets very hard to deal with repeated factory resets, which is the only way left.
So all the rest of my phones that I bought had some of the best development teams...even till date.
Zuk z2
Poco f1
K20 pro/mi9t pro
So if you want to taste custom roms, you have to go the k20 way, but beware the FOD (Fingerprint Scanner) on custom roms on the K20 Pro aren't flawless byt still work with workarounds, including widewine L1 support.
Support is really poor and updates come later.
I like my X2 Pro but it is clear it is not a top range also because of this.
Honestly i think about spend my money for my next phone in Realme phones (except minor phones, maybe mostly supported).
HTCDevil said:
Support is really poor and updates come later.
I like my X2 Pro but it is clear it is not a top range also because of this.
Honestly i think about spend my money for my next phone in Realme phones (except minor phones, maybe mostly supported).
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This is not true,I bought the phone at Christmas and have had one update a month with latest security patch.
It has been known now for some time that Android 10 and realmeUI was coming in March so I don't know why people are complaining,
Software support has been on point and no promises were broken
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This is not true,I bought the phone at Christmas and have had one update a month with latest security patch.
It has been known now for some time that Android 10 and realmeUI was coming in March so I don't know why people are complaining,
Software support has been on point and no promises were broken
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I am referring to relevant updates, if you are happy because of having one update at month without real improvements, you are welcome.
We know about the "promise" of Realme about March update, but the reality is that Realme is slower than other brand, mostly with its top phone.
I don't understand, instead, why people accept everything and prefer to say that his phone is fantastic rather than underline failings, just because has got this phone.
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...and the point of first message is about development, i draw a veil over that argument, so we all expect at least to have real, good updates from manufacturer...
So if someone ask about it is right to say the truth.
February update now live in the UK site.
ngagephone said:
February update now live in the UK site.
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In Indian site too. Changelog is irrelevant
Change log is pretty much irrelevant on most phones... I've noticed lots of stuff not mentioned on the change logs on various devices.
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Change log is pretty much irrelevant on most phones... I've noticed lots of stuff not mentioned on the change logs on various devices.
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For example?
Have you updated?
Please show us improvements, i am curious
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I am referring to relevant updates, if you are happy because of having one update at month without real improvements, you are welcome.
We know about the "promise" of Realme about March update, but the reality is that Realme is slower than other brand, mostly with its top phone.
I don't understand, instead, why people accept everything and prefer to say that his phone is fantastic rather than underline failings, just because has got this phone.
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...and the point of first message is about development, i draw a veil over that argument, so we all expect at least to have real, good updates from manufacturer...
So if someone ask about it is right to say the truth.
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Do you even have this phone ?
The quality of the updates have been decent. No real bugs with the software for most people,though have seen some people complain about minor things that they experience but I think most of us knew colorOs wasn't going to be perfect,
Another update just released today,this is better than most manufacturers,OnePlus for example only give Bi monthly and their releaselog is pretty pathetic at times mentioning improvements to weather app and unknown bug fixes.
Realme is definitely not slower than other brands,it's one of the quickest in actual fact and I for one don't feel at all like I'm accepting everything just because I own the phone,
I'm happy and looking forward to RealmeUI
No custom ROMs. Stupid Xiaomi please release the source and kernel. We are past 4 months and nothing till now. Oneplus 9 pro on the other hand released 5 days before this phone and I see 10+ custom roms in the forum already. Such a great phone with so much user reach and xiaomi doesnt care about software. Only people from China are getting updates every 3 weeks or so (iam not talking about xiaomi.eu rom). Completely neglected Global rom and India rom.
Issue with this company is: It releases 10+ phones in the same price range with different hardware every 6 months and forgets about software completely. If you cant update the software, release the source and kernel for developers atleast!
Agreed
Why u guys talk so much about custom rom?
Im satisfied with eu rom now
Almost nothing need to change
definitely.
They did release kernel sources.
https://github.com/MiCode/Xiaomi_Kernel_OpenSource
More specific
https://github.com/MiCode/Xiaomi_Kernel_OpenSource/tree/star-r-oss
easy easy bro, calm da f*** down.
it's all have a solution, why don't you focus on what actually you using phone for? like play game, multitasking, or take a photo ,etc..
so, let take some experience with another users like me, why you dont try MIUI MIX (MMX Team) it's not bad because it's base on EU ROM.
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Why u guys talk so much about custom rom?
Im satisfied with eu rom now
Almost nothing need to change
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I can create a 5 hour video with all the bugs that I have on xiaomi.eu rom. Its not perfect if you don't look at it in that way. Iam a developer myself and i dont look at things like a end user does. Sorry if i hurt your feelings.
Schumi_wk said:
They did release kernel sources.
https://github.com/MiCode/Xiaomi_Kernel_OpenSource
More specific
https://github.com/MiCode/Xiaomi_Kernel_OpenSource/tree/star-r-oss
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Good to hear. I don't see any developers working on this phone though?
saisannihith said:
Good to hear. I don't see any developers working on this phone though?
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How do sales compare to s21u or the one plus 9 pro ?
I think the global variant is overpriced tbh.... especially for a Xiaomi phone
Apple can get away with ridiculous prices and even Samsung to some degree but Xiaomi doesn't ring synonymous with prestige flagship grade experience
They're the cheap and cheerful brand...
My friend bought a Poco f3 yesterday and it's a great phone for it's price
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How do sales compare to s21u or the one plus 9 pro ?
I think the global variant is overpriced tbh.... especially for a Xiaomi phone
Apple can get away with ridiculous prices and even Samsung to some degree but Xiaomi doesn't ring synonymous with prestige flagship grade experience
They're the cheap and cheerful brand...
My friend bought a Poco f3 yesterday and it's a great phone for it's price
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iam guessing as all the phones are global this is the order of sales Oneplus 9 Pro > 11 Ultra > S21
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Why u guys talk so much about custom rom?
Im satisfied with eu rom now
Almost nothing need to change
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Aren't we supposed to talk about it? I personally would prefer a custom rom like LineageOS over MIUI anytime.
Good for you, you are satisfied with it... i am not. And i totally agree with the thread-owner, i start to hate it too.
I don't hate my phone, I just hate Chinese Firmware. Now I'm waiting for Bootloader and will install Xiaomi.eu
Agreed. Never seen something as horrible as MIUI. Nothing but stupid effects.
If i knew that beforehand, I'd never had bought a xiaomi.
And no, the .eu rom doesn't fix any of its problems.
Ridley8819 said:
Agreed. Never seen something as horrible as MIUI. Nothing but stupid effects.
If i knew that beforehand, I'd never had bought a xiaomi.
And no, the .eu rom doesn't fix any of its problems.
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What is your problem?
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What is your problem?
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Well, he can probably make a 5 hour video about that and attach here.
Unbelievable how ignorant (not to say different word) you should be to buy a phone than wait and hope for a custom rom (even though nobody on planet earth promised one).Than you go online and trashtalk the company, the phone and so on,only reason being your own wrong choice.
This is pure stupidity at its best.
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iam guessing as all the phones are global this is the order of sales Oneplus 9 Pro > 11 Ultra > S21
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S21 > Oneplus 9 pro > Something Else > Mi11 Ultra. There. I fixed it for you
Not sure why you get personal here.
I always had phones using a clean and functional OS. I knew that the asian customers prefer it more colorful and I expected exactly this. But what Xiaomi delivers with MIUI is a slap for everyone not deepdiving into their software beforehand.
Why is a compass app installed systemwise? Yes you can disable it and even uninstall it via adb. Why can't you hide apps in the drawer? Lets say I dislike their contacts app and want to use another one, I then have to have both on the drawer without the ability to hide theirs (yes, you can hide some non-system apps behind the app-lock). Why does Onehanded Mode not work with gestures? Why do they force you to wait for 7 days before you can unlock the bootloader and why do you need a sim-card in the phone for this and give them your number?
The "cleaner" app does nothing but spying, even worse that such software doesn't even (ever) work on Linux based OS. Not mentioning the "security" app that is another piece of scam software they integrated some system relevant services into while on the other hand, blocking essential android services and thus create a lot of issues non-existant on other devices.
If you ask me, MIUI as a whole is nothing but a scam. Google sniffing apps can at least be disabled, no chance for the Xiaomi ones.
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Unbelievable how ignorant (not to say different word) you should be to buy a phone than wait and hope for a custom rom (even though nobody on planet earth promised one).Than you go online and trashtalk the company, the phone and so on,only reason being your own wrong choice.
This is pure stupidity at its best.
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So well do you mean 'if you need a phone with custom rom, just buy it after custom roms are released for that phone'?
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No custom ROMs. Stupid Xiaomi please release the source and kernel. We are past 4 months and nothing till now. Oneplus 9 pro on the other hand released 5 days before this phone and I see 10+ custom roms in the forum already. Such a great phone with so much user reach and xiaomi doesnt care about software. Only people from China are getting updates every 3 weeks or so (iam not talking about xiaomi.eu rom). Completely neglected Global rom and India rom.
Issue with this company is: It releases 10+ phones in the same price range with different hardware every 6 months and forgets about software completely. If you cant update the software, release the source and kernel for developers atleast!
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Here's the reality, there really isn't that much demand for custom roms. However, there are two that I know of, Xiaomi.eu and MIUI MIX. ONE OS may also have one, but I am not sure on that though. And even though you do need kernel info, you can't expect them to release the proprietary info regarding the rear screen and other features. So even if a rom could be made, there are many things that the developers would not be able to make work. For example, the Mi 10 Pro went the greater part of a year before one started to see custom roms for it. Custom roms, back in the day, were updated regularly and in some cases nightly. Now the original rom and security update can be several months old and it might also be several months before a new version appears. In my opinion, it's really not worth it nowadays and the most of the devs seem to have found that out too.
As for their marketing, I too feel they release to many phones, but apparently it's working as they have become number one in the world.
So i just finished updating to MIUI 13 global on my supposedly new Xiaomi 11T Pro. Only to find out that it basically doesn't bring anything new. Literally nothing apart from that completely useless side bar.
The biggest new feature that Xiaomi was hyping everyone with is the new widgets. We'll they're missing. Nothing but the old 2009 looking widgets.
Even Android 12 features like color palettes thems are not included..
I means what's the point of this update. 3.5 gigabytes of update to instal a stupid side bar and some ugly wallpapers.
I'm really disappointed in this phone and in Xiaomi overall. Too bad it's a new phone that i can not change right now. But my next smartphone will definitely not be from Xiaomi.
Sadly i was a fan of this company and their business model. Now they're just taking us for fools.
500 euros phone doesn't get the features that 150 euros phones are getting from the same damn company. What is this.
I'll be going back to Samsung after all.
Have a good one fellas
I also think that 11t pro will be my first and last xiaomi phone, hardware is fine but software side of things is realy bad, im coming from oneplus2 as my last phone and software on that device was better i hope that lineageos will be available for 11t pro also
I'm the same, I've reported a bug and even how to fix it regarding Wi-Fi calling support in the UK (have had the fix on my personal device for a couple of months and it works perfectly but of course just for me) and it really requires Xiaomi to update their modem code. Every Qualcomm device they sell has the bug on EE in the UK due to bad config settings. Despite using the feedback tools months ago, raising it in their official forum which seems to be nothing more than PR management, the bug isn't fixed, and the file I linked to with details of the config settings hasn't been opened by anyone let alone Xiaomi. So just ignored.
They have far too many devices to be able to issue decent software on any of them as they can't have the resources to deal with them all.
Hardware is good, basically Qualcomm reference design with decent screen and camera, but the software is poor and support just doesn't exist.
I will not buying another one of their products ever again.
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So i just finished updating to MIUI 13 global on my supposedly new Xiaomi 11T Pro. Only to find out that it basically doesn't bring anything new. Literally nothing apart from that completely useless side bar.
The biggest new feature that Xiaomi was hyping everyone with is the new widgets. We'll they're missing. Nothing but the old 2009 looking widgets.
Even Android 12 features like color palettes thems are not included..
I means what's the point of this update. 3.5 gigabytes of update to instal a stupid side bar and some ugly wallpapers.
I'm really disappointed in this phone and in Xiaomi overall. Too bad it's a new phone that i can not change right now. But my next smartphone will definitely not be from Xiaomi.
Sadly i was a fan of this company and their business model. Now they're just taking us for fools.
500 euros phone doesn't get the features that 150 euros phones are getting from the same damn company. What is this.
I'll be going back to Samsung after all.
Have a good one fellas
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u really should try xiaomi.eu 13.0.4 for 11t pro. i was in the same position as urs but eu rom is really good. u dont even need twrp. its self flashes. and is way ahead with lots of features.
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u really should try xiaomi.eu 13.0.4 for 11t pro. i was in the same position as urs but eu rom is really good. u dont even need twrp. its self flashes. and is way ahead with lots of features.
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where can i find that please ?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/miui-13-xiaomi-eu-for-xiaomi-11t-pro-v13-0-2-0-skdmixm.4374297/
As far as I can remember OnePlus has had ROMs / mods / kernels and god knows what very early on.
This turd? it's at the back of a very long smelly queue, the level of interest is non existent.
If you're planning to jump ship to this!
Don't.
Get a pixel or wait.
For me if this phone fails then it's bye bye OnePlus.
WTH happened??
They became successful and don't need the community anymore. It wouldn't surprise me to find out the 11 series ships with entirely disabled fastboot like Oppo devices apparently have.
Those mods depends on developers... Those guys get old and do not care about development anymore.
We now have only the manufacturers and google mainly.
Including Android 13 beta, it's available for us.
EtherealRemnant said:
They became successful and don't need the community anymore. It wouldn't surprise me to find out the 11 series ships with entirely disabled fastboot like Oppo devices apparently have.
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I've got no words for that..
Just an emoji.
To you OnePlus
zopostyle said:
Those mods depends on developers... Those guys get old and do not care about development anymore.
We now have only the manufacturers and google mainly.
Including Android 13 beta, it's available for us.
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I've made a mod for this device mate. I've made guides.
Something is different with this device.
I just wish I'd seen it before.
Game over for me pal... Sitting with this crap OOS for another year?? No chance I'm getting the pixel 7 this turd it's getting sold
dladz said:
I've made a mod for this device mate. I've made guides.
Something is different with this device.
I just wish I'd seen it before.
Game over for me pal... Sitting with this crap OOS for another year?? No chance I'm getting the pixel 7 this turd it's getting sold
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Honestly the holdup is probably on Qualcomm. Sahara is updated v3.x, so all firehose tools we've had stopped working. If MSM was leaked successfully, people would be able to reverse the new protocol, so QCom probably put more restrictions on OEMs to prevent that. Additionally, sources still doesn't seem to be released so nothing really can be built against. Check out any SD8G1 devices and the dev support currently:
Moto Edge X30: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/moto-edge-x30.12479/?prefix_id=33 (nothing)
Applies to other Motos: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/motorola-edge-2022.12581/?prefix_id=33, https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/moto-edge-30-pro.12543/
Xiaomi 12 Pro: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/xiaomi-12-pro.12493/?prefix_id=33 (sad)
Same with other Xiaomi SD8G1s, https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/xiaomi-12.12491/?prefix_id=33
Honor: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/honor-magic-4-ultimate.12577/?prefix_id=33 (nothing)
Nubia: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/nubia-red-magic-7.12563/?prefix_id=33 (nothing)
Realme: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/realme-gt-2-pro.12549/?prefix_id=33 (nothing)
The pickings are gonna be slim if you wanna be on SD8G1 and want a custom ROM.
craznazn said:
Honestly the holdup is probably on Qualcomm. Sahara is updated v3.x, so all firehose tools we've had stopped working. If MSM was leaked successfully, people would be able to reverse the new protocol, so QCom probably put more restrictions on OEMs to prevent that. Additionally, sources still doesn't seem to be released so nothing really can be built against. Check out any SD8G1 devices and the dev support currently:
Moto Edge X30: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/moto-edge-x30.12479/?prefix_id=33 (nothing)
Applies to other Motos: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/motorola-edge-2022.12581/?prefix_id=33, https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/moto-edge-30-pro.12543/
Xiaomi 12 Pro: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/xiaomi-12-pro.12493/?prefix_id=33 (sad)
Same with other Xiaomi SD8G1s, https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/xiaomi-12.12491/?prefix_id=33
Honor: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/honor-magic-4-ultimate.12577/?prefix_id=33 (nothing)
Nubia: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/nubia-red-magic-7.12563/?prefix_id=33 (nothing)
Realme: https://forum.xda-developers.com/f/realme-gt-2-pro.12549/?prefix_id=33 (nothing)
The pickings are gonna be slim if you wanna be on SD8G1 and want a custom ROM.
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There are MSM Tools out for ColorOS on the 10 Pro though. Three of them, in fact, are publicly available, they're just encrypted.
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If Qualcomm is going to start being anti-developer, I guess it's a good thing that Pixel doesn't use their processors anymore.
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There are MSM Tools out for ColorOS on the 10 Pro though. Three of them, in fact, are publicly available, they're just encrypted.
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Exactly, it got leaked but OnePlus put more protections around it. The thing itself is packed as well, I was able to start reversing it, and the protocol commands are COMPLETELY different. A lot of lower level things are much easier to reverse from dynamic analysis rather than static with vmprotect and other packers on. I don't really have time to do a full deep dive analysis on the protocol while not being able to even see it in action, just complete guesses. See https://github.com/bkerler/edl/issues/274 for a brief description in the 3rd post. Even if the loader is sent, the magic to start communication in firehose is now different as well, so after getting past sahara, now you have to deal with firehose.
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Exactly, it got leaked but OnePlus put more protections around it. The thing itself is packed as well, I was able to start reversing it, and the protocol commands are COMPLETELY different. A lot of lower level things are much easier to reverse from dynamic analysis rather than static with vmprotect and other packers on. I don't really have time to do a full deep dive analysis on the protocol while not being able to even see it in action, just complete guesses. See https://github.com/bkerler/edl/issues/274 for a brief description in the 3rd post. Even if the loader is sent, the magic to start communication in firehose is now different as well, so after getting past sahara, now you have to deal with firehose.
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Sounds like it is time to move away from Qualcomm then. I guess my next phone is going to be a Pixel after all. At least there I know that I'll get rapid updates that actually fix bugs rather than this nonsense with OnePlus that forces people to go to custom ROMs just to get basic functionality and a stable device in the first place.
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Sounds like it is time to move away from Qualcomm then. I guess my next phone is going to be a Pixel after all. At least there I know that I'll get rapid updates that actually fix bugs rather than this nonsense with OnePlus that forces people to go to custom ROMs just to get basic functionality and a stable device in the first place.
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Honestly I would just stick with OP9 on a supported stable rom of some kind and use it into the ground. Not sure what's going on but look at the dev section for Pixel 6 Pro, you got kernels, and that's about it, and it's been over 6 months since release already. The few roms that did come out are dying or dead.
If you don't care for custom roms to begin with, then samsung is always an option with an arguably better support promise than google
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Honestly I would just stick with OP9 on a supported stable rom of some kind and use it into the ground. Not sure what's going on but look at the dev section for Pixel 6 Pro, you got kernels, and that's about it, and it's been over 6 months since release already. The few roms that did come out are dying or dead.
If you don't care for custom roms to begin with, then samsung is always an option with an arguably better support promise than google
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Oh no, I definitely do care for custom ROMs, I am *never* happy being locked down to what the manufacturer wants me to have which is why my last Samsung was the Note 5. If I got a Pixel, I would probably install ProtonAOSP (which is available on Pixel 6/Pro), use the Pixelify Magisk module to get back anything I lost, and be happy as can be. The only reasons I didn't go with the Pixel 6 originally were the reports of the crappy screen, the crappy Samsung modem (that's still giving people problems), and the crappy battery life. The 6 Pro was out because of the curved screen, the crappy modem, and the crappy battery life. My OP9 has none of those issues, just janky stock software complete with a massive and unacceptable SoC throttle and a buggy boot/fastboot implementation that makes it easy to brick.
I am happy with my OnePlus 9 now that I have StagOS paired with OOS12 C.48 firmware, there are only very minor issues and one major one that I have to remember to work around every time I restart the phone, but I am never happy for long and I get grass is always greener syndrome pretty frequently lol. I have been keeping tabs on the OP10P forum because it was originally going to be my next device (I only just got my 9 in February and I'm already wanting something new) but obviously the situation right now with OOS12 being a dumpster fire and how many people have bricked their OP10P trying to root it or change the firmware between regions... it's not a great sales pitch for sure when there isn't an MSM available and it sounds like there won't be for quite awhile, if ever.
There are so many issues with this phone and I started to hate the OnePlus. I'm definitely going to change my OP10 Pro to Google Pixel 7!
Yeah, I've been a oneplus fan for a long time. AT&T forced me to upgrade from my OP7Pro due to them discontinuing the older bands and I got the 10 pro without much research.
It works great, I've been loving it and it hasn't had nearly as much bugs as others have said with the hangs and what not. Everything feels super crisp, but I definitely agree with the overtuning optimization. Can't even background a game to send a text without it closing. Terrible.
So I'm already thinking I should have gotten the 9 Pro. More 5G bands, why the hell they got RID of a feature is beyond me, and actual custom ROM support, albeit very new. I'm sure given enough time the 10 pro will have custom roms, but the drought sure is making me feel like trading it in for the 9 Pro.
TL;DR Definitely considering trading in my OP10Pro for OP9Pro.
Prant said:
Yeah, I've been a oneplus fan for a long time. AT&T forced me to upgrade from my OP7Pro due to them discontinuing the older bands and I got the 10 pro without much research.
It works great, I've been loving it and it hasn't had nearly as much bugs as others have said with the hangs and what not. Everything feels super crisp, but I definitely agree with the overtuning optimization. Can't even background a game to send a text without it closing. Terrible.
So I'm already thinking I should have gotten the 9 Pro. More 5G bands, why the hell they got RID of a feature is beyond me, and actual custom ROM support, albeit very new. I'm sure given enough time the 10 pro will have custom roms, but the drought sure is making me feel like trading it in for the 9 Pro.
TL;DR Definitely considering trading in my OP10Pro for OP9Pro.
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The phone is on point mate, the stamina and performance...even the camera is good (beside the lack of macro) video zooming is amazing and so smooth and stable, battery will last 3 days with little use or 10+ hours SOT otherwise, definitely 8+
Performance as I said is nuts. PS2 games? No problem, full 60 FPS which is a vast improvement over my 8pro, the 8 gen1 is superb, my phone's never got over 32-34c
I've read it's Qualcomm being bumholes, I've heard Devs just won't get it (waiting for the 11)
I've read all kinds of madness.
This would be the first time OnePlus has really dished out a dodo... Honestly the last time I felt like this it was with HTC, only we had ROMs to flash, I know things have changed and Google wants to go the way of Apple, probably to get a nod from corporate tools who couldn't care less and will still buy an iPhone anyway.
I know we only account for a small percentage of people who buy Android devices and mod them I think it was 5-10% maybe less. But it doesn't end with those numbers, every person on XDA (well a large number) are usually the designated IT as nominated by their mum/dad/sisters etc and we fix things for everybody, but we also influence what they buy so no that percentage is a load of old twaddle, if you couple the rooters with the people we influence and the people the talk to, then that number is a much higher percentage.
Just reminds me of the HTC one X when Nvidia got hold of it and locked it down, HTC never recovered from that, Samsung saw an opening and the Galaxy's S took over, I think the pixel or something else will do the same to OnePlus, have been looking at the nothing phone, it looks ridiculous but it there's a custom ROM scene for it then I'm heading that way after one year with this.
dladz said:
The phone is on point mate, the stamina and performance...even the camera is good (beside the lack of macro) video zooming is amazing and so smooth and stable, battery will last 3 days with little use or 10+ hours SOT otherwise, definitely 8+
Performance as I said is nuts. PS2 games? No problem, full 60 FPS which is a vast improvement over my 8pro, the 8 gen1 is superb, my phone's never got over 32-34c
I've read it's Qualcomm being bumholes, I've heard Devs just won't get it (waiting for the 11)
I've read all kinds of madness.
This would be the first time OnePlus has really dished out a dodo... Honestly the last time I felt like this it was with HTC, only we had ROMs to flash, I know things have changed and Google wants to go the way of Apple, probably to get a nod from corporate tools who couldn't care less and will still buy an iPhone anyway.
I know we only account for a small percentage of people who buy Android devices and mod them I think it was 5-10% maybe less. But it doesn't end with those numbers, every person on XDA (well a large number) are usually the designated IT as nominated by their mum/dad/sisters etc and we fix things for everybody, but we also influence what they buy so no that percentage is a load of old twaddle, if you couple the rooters with the people we influence and the people the talk to, then that number is a much higher percentage.
Just reminds me of the HTC one X when Nvidia got hold of it and locked it down, HTC never recovered from that, Samsung saw an opening and the Galaxy's S took over, I think the pixel or something else will do the same to OnePlus, have been looking at the nothing phone, it looks ridiculous but it there's a custom ROM scene for it then I'm heading that way after one year with this.
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On point brother,
This is happening atm, and my last op phone unfortunately. This brand was the pc of the smartphone world, modding and general feel wise but not anymore...
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Just reminds me of the HTC one X when Nvidia got hold of it and locked it down, HTC never recovered from that, Samsung saw an opening and the Galaxy's S took over, I think the pixel or something else will do the same to OnePlus, have been looking at the nothing phone, it looks ridiculous but it there's a custom ROM scene for it then I'm heading that way after one year with this.
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Nah, something else might come along but not Google. You can always leave it up to Google to **** something good up.
Though I wouldn't communicate it in the same way (please keep it civil folks), I do very much agree that OnePlus has become exactly what they were up against back in 2014. They've become massive hypocrites by shutting out the community that made them. There was so much amazing development on the OnePlus One, which I have proudly owned as a daily driver for over 3 years, that a lot of community invented/inspired goodies ended up in all Android iterations by all brands active in the market today. It was truly revolutionary. And this is how OnePlus thanks us today: with a knife in our collective backs. Under the disguise of "improving security" – which is an easy excuse for a lot of things – companies like OnePlus and of course also Google have been striking development communities hard. Why? Not willing to deal with any liability or unpredictable situations (shareholders like keeping things predictable) I guess. The cool thing, though, is that we're still here and we're still developing!
I currently have high hopes for Nothing. If it'll be anything like Bacon, another community revolution is just around the corner...
Aldonski said:
On point brother,
This is happening atm, and my last op phone unfortunately. This brand was the pc of the smartphone world, modding and general feel wise but not anymore...
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Cheers ace, I was slightly inebriated last night
Timmmmaaahh! said:
Though I wouldn't communicate it in the same way (please keep it civil folks), I do very much agree that OnePlus has become exactly what they were up against back in 2014. They've become massive hypocrites by shutting out the community that made them. There was so much amazing development on the OnePlus One, which I have proudly owned as a daily driver for over 3 years, that a lot of community invented/inspired goodies ended up in all Android iterations by all brands active in the market today. It was truly revolutionary. And this is how OnePlus thanks us today: with a knife in our collective backs. Under the disguise of "improving security" – which is an easy excuse for a lot of things – companies like OnePlus and of course also Google have been striking development communities hard. Why? Not willing to deal with any liability or unpredictable situations (shareholders like keeping things predictable) I guess. The cool thing, though, is that we're still here and we're still developing!
I currently have high hopes for Nothing. If it'll be anything like Bacon, another community revolution is just around the corner...
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Huawei!! Seems they all sing from the same song sheet.
Bring back HTC, c'mon Taiwan. You got this bro..
dladz said:
Huawei!!
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