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Magnetic Screen Rotation Sensor?

The Hermes uses a magnetic sensor to determine when the keyboard has been fully opened and triggers the switch to landscape mode and back.
This causes my screen to switch to landscape mode every time I put it into my Seidio case with a magnetic cover latch and I have to wait for the screen to switch back to portrait whenever I remove it.
Can any current owners tell if the Kaiser works the same way?
Thanks in advance.

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jetjock said:
The Hermes uses a magnetic sensor to determine when the keyboard has been fully opened and triggers the switch to landscape mode and back.
This causes my screen to switch to landscape mode every time I put it into my Seidio case with a magnetic cover latch and I have to wait for the screen to switch back to portrait whenever I remove it.
Can any current owners tell if the Kaiser works the same way?
Thanks in advance.
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The answer is yes it does use a magnet operated switch.
BUT - the Kaiser rotates the screen much much faster than the TyTn and so even if you use a magnet to rotate the screen it instantly goes back when you take away the magnet. In fact I carry mine in a Hermes magnetic case and not once have I seen it in the wrong orientation.
Mike

Thanks for the info.
I'll plan on keeping the same case in that case

Is there any way to DISABLE the screen rotation?
I frequently accidentally slide out the keyboard, causing the rotation.

Stormdog said:
Is there any way to DISABLE the screen rotation?
I frequently accidentally slide out the keyboard, causing the rotation.
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yes, kaisertweak and advancedconfig allows you disable the device comming out of standby and rotating.

incall screen off app..like iphone????

the iphone switches the screen off when it goes to your head then turns back on when u take it away. is there a simple app for this??

Phone lacks the proximity sensor the iPhone has. Fortunately, it has a plethora of other useful features (a keyboard, picture messages, etc.)

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Phone lacks the proximity sensor the iPhone has. Fortunately, it has a plethora of other useful features (a keyboard, picture messages, etc.)
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To add on to that the phone also goes to sleep when the call is connected and its just a matter of pressing the power button to get it to wake up again.

mine doesnt

Well mine has always went black when it goes up to my ear, but it would be nice if it came back on when removed from my ear.. although we dont have a proximity sensor, i dont see why it coulnt work with the gsensor/accelerometer. all it would have to do is go on when the phone is put back in the upright position

jok3sta said:
Well mine has always went black when it goes up to my ear, but it would be nice if it came back on when removed from my ear.. although we dont have a proximity sensor, i dont see why it coulnt work with the gsensor/accelerometer. all it would have to do is go on when the phone is put back in the upright position
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is there a setting for this?

is it possible to in fact use the light sensor? it obviously recognizes something when it turns off, maybe write up something saying "when dark below 'x' threshold, turn off screen. when bright above threshold, screen on. you would have to press the screen somewhat snugly to your face, but it sure beats nothing.

vader165 said:
is it possible to in fact use the light sensor? it obviously recognizes something when it turns off, maybe write up something saying "when dark below 'x' threshold, turn off screen. when bright above threshold, screen on. you would have to press the screen somewhat snugly to your face, but it sure beats nothing.
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It should be possible, but no one has done anything with the light sensor of turning it back on. I'm thinking that the polling of the light sensor turns off when the screen is in standby. If we can somehow get that to work in only incall (so it doesn't have battery issues), then it should work, when it goes from little light to more light, it should act as close to phone to far away from phone.

One could even use 2 sensors for it? Maybe the Light-Sensor and the G-Sensor. So when u bring the phone to your ear the light gets dark an the position upright. (the phone turns the screen off) And as soon as it get brighter and the position is change to normal (whatever that is ) it turns back on.
I reall would love to write something like that. But so far i have no clue of writing anything for that phone. Does anyone know a tutorial for writing software for a pda?
Thx

Come on guys this would be soooo great

jok3sta said:
Well mine has always went black when it goes up to my ear, but it would be nice if it came back on when removed from my ear.. although we dont have a proximity sensor, i dont see why it coulnt work with the gsensor/accelerometer. all it would have to do is go on when the phone is put back in the upright position
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It doesn't actually do that when you put it up to your ear. It's a WinMo setting to put the phone in standby after a call is launched or received. What you preceive as behavior is actually a timing thing.

The guy from pocket shield managed to combine these two sensors, g-sensor and light sensor, to work together as locking/unlocking behavior.
maybe some g-sensor and lumos code can handle this thing... and create one cab solution here...

if some one could write this code it would be an AWESOME addition to the Phone. I would personaly love this as im sure many others would.
Thanks.

this is a bit late, but here's a cool app that i've found...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=488991

no its not too late. if people look around they would have found it.

aonavy said:
the iphone switches the screen off when it goes to your head then turns back on when u take it away. is there a simple app for this??
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searching is your friend
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=488991

warri said:
searching is your friend
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=488991
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reading is your friend..look at the dates posted

[Q] What is the "Auto sleep"?

As the title says, what is it? I mean how does the auto function? couldn't find anything about it on XDA or the Owners Manual.
Stock rom, 1.28.401.7, attached a screenshot.

omar302 said:
As the title says, what is it? I mean how does the auto function? couldn't find anything about it on XDA or the Owners Manual.
Stock rom, 1.28.401.7, attached a screenshot.
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I'm guessing that it adjusts the timeout accordingly.
Like if you were to put it down (but face-up) it'll decrease the timeout down to 15 seconds or something like that. Whereas if you're holding the phone normally, it'd be something like one minute.

Probably just smart stay esque feature.
Quick check of camera to see if your looking at the phone. Not like this is a Samsung thing, there are apps in the play store that do this.

Yeah it's screen time out so if you set it for 1 minute the screen will stay on for 1 minute then shut down

Yeah its like smart stay, try waving your hand in front of the phone and not touch the phone, it wont sleep. Dont work very well as sometimes I lie phone down for a sec but as there is no movement it sleeps quickly.

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As the title says, what is it? I mean how does the auto function? couldn't find anything about it on XDA or the Owners Manual.
Stock rom, 1.28.401.7, attached a screenshot.
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Nice. I keep wondering why HTC doesn't advertise some of these features - Samsung keeps touting them but even though HTC has something similar, sometimes better and sometimes not, it isn't mentioned anywhere. They really need to up their marketing efforts.

Nekromantik said:
Yeah its like smart stay, try waving your hand in front of the phone and not touch the phone, it wont sleep. Dont work very well as sometimes I lie phone down for a sec but as there is no movement it sleeps quickly.
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are you sure or are you just trying to get people to wave there hands around like mad men
theres nothing on the web about that its just plain old screen off after how long you set it for:laugh:

jaythenut said:
are you sure or are you just trying to get people to wave there hands around like mad men
theres nothing on the web about that its just plain old screen off after how long you set it for:laugh:
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It is autosleep OR a time. So it's definitely not 1 minute. Will have to try this

I sent the question to HTC & today got this lame answer:
Please note that you can use the sleep mode in order to put the device in standby mode when you are not using the screen for a long time the screen will go in sleep mode " Standby" automatically
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After doing some testing, I have found the following pattern with "Auto sleep":
If the device is held vertical (holding the phone up) or at an angle, in other words, you are actually looking at the screen; the display will sleep in about 1 minute of not touching the display.
If the device, after use, is put on a table (horizontally), the display will sleep in about 15 seconds.
So it seems that "Auto sleep" uses the gyro sensor, not the Camera.

Sounds similar to Screeble. ...a must-have app IMO.

I think auto sleep uses the camera and the proximity sensor to determine if you're looking at the phone, because for down reason it doesn't work in a completely dark environment like a bedroom at night, even though I was looking at the phone dead on..... It's an interesting feature nonetheless

banksc said:
Sounds similar to Screeble. ...a must-have app IMO.
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No must-have anymore... with this auto sleep function built in. It's in HTC One X too with the 4.2.2 update.
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I think auto sleep uses the camera and the proximity sensor to determine if you're looking at the phone, because for down reason it doesn't work in a completely dark environment like a bedroom at night, even though I was looking at the phone dead on..... It's an interesting feature nonetheless
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As stated before, it's probably using sensors to increase time-out, not to disable time-out entirely, like smart-stay does, probably using less energy then smart-stay.

webpatrick said:
No must-have anymore... with this auto sleep function built in. It's in HTC One X too with the 4.2.2 update.
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Will give it a try since it is one less app on the phone... I like that I could set up the angle for which it is activated both for portrait and landscape with Screeble. I don't control anything with the sleep function. Also, I get the impression the phone will still shut off at some point...doesn't with Screeble.

Answer
I was intrigued to know the answer myself. Not being able to find the answer, I tried the following on my phone:
I placed the phone horizontally on a table and left it there without touching the screen or moving it until the screen turned off. It took 1 minute for the screen to time out.
I placed the phone at an angle (approximately 45 degrees) and left it still without touching the screen or moving it until the screen turned off. Again, it took 1 minute for the screen to time out.
I grabbed the phone and moved it constantly without touching the screen. I keep doing this for over 2 minutes and the screen never timed out. I got bored, so I put the phone down and from that moment, it took 1 minute for the screen to time out. I tried this at different angles and I realized the angle doesn't really matter as long as the phone is in motion.
This made me to conclude the phone uses the the gyroscope when "auto sleep" is selected to determine when to turn off the screen.
I might be wrong but you can try this yourself. I hope it helps!

tchan said:
I was intrigued to know the answer myself. Not being able to find the answer, I tried the following on my phone:
I placed the phone horizontally on a table and left it there without touching the screen or moving it until the screen turned off. It took 1 minute for the screen to time out.
I placed the phone at an angle (approximately 45 degrees) and left it still without touching the screen or moving it until the screen turned off. Again, it took 1 minute for the screen to time out.
I grabbed the phone and moved it constantly without touching the screen. I keep doing this for over 2 minutes and the screen never timed out. I got bored, so I put the phone down and from that moment, it took 1 minute for the screen to time out. I tried this at different angles and I realized the angle doesn't really matter as long as the phone is in motion.
This made me to conclude the phone uses the the gyroscope when "auto sleep" is selected to determine when to turn off the screen.
I might be wrong but you can try this yourself. I hope it helps!
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What rom version are you running? What you explained would explain why the phone does not sleep when I put it down in the car's cupholder, as long as the car is moving the phone would vibrate/shake & hence does not turn off the display. This is with the Android 4.3 updates (leaks & official 3.22 developer edition).
Previously, Android 4.1 & 4.2 roms, if the device was held vertical (holding the phone up) or at an angle, in other words, display would sleep in about 1 minute of not touching the display. If the device, after use, was put on a table (horizontally), the display would sleep in about 15 seconds.

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What rom version are you running? What you explained would explain why the phone does not sleep when I put it down in the car's cupholder, as long as the car is moving the phone would vibrate/shake & hence does not turn off the display. This is with the Android 4.3 updates (leaks & official 3.22 developer edition).
Previously, Android 4.1 & 4.2 roms, if the device was held vertical (holding the phone up) or at an angle, in other words, display would sleep in about 1 minute of not touching the display. If the device, after use, was put on a table (horizontally), the display would sleep in about 15 seconds.
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I'm using CleanRom 6 with Android 4.3. Now that you mention it, I realize I hadn't noticed this on 4.1 and 4.2. I use Pandora all the time. I started wondering when my phone would stay up the whole time I was driving. I never had this issue with 4.1 and 4.2. Good to know!

tchan said:
I'm using CleanRom 6 with Android 4.3. Now that you mention it, I realize I hadn't noticed this on 4.1 and 4.2. I use Pandora all the time. I started wondering when my phone would stay up the whole time I was driving. I never had this issue with 4.1 and 4.2. Good to know!
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Incertcoin (on SVN R111) now has the auto sleep working like before, 1 minute if held upright, or 15 seconds if placed on a table. I think @baadnewz used the "SmartDim.apk" from an older rom that before auto sleep changed .

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Incertcoin (on SVN R111) now has the auto sleep working like before, 1 minute if held upright, or 15 seconds if placed on a table. I think @baadnewz used the "SmartDim.apk" from an older rom that before auto sleep changed .
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yes i used the 4.2.2 base one because i didn't have time to properly debug the current one and fix, but so far using the old one doesn't break anything it just fixes the issue. credits are due to @yxtl he had the issue and stress him enough to make trial and error .

I believe it uses the gyro/motion sensors to adjust the timeout...if I have my HTC One docked in my car with auto sleep enabled, it will never time out the screen, unless I come to a light and stop...but the motion of the car actually on the road is enough to keep it alive.
Cheers
j

I wish HTC provided some kind of documentation for this...

What did I possible do so I don't do it again?

I was lying down on my back. Hands up looking at phone. I watched some video. I viewed some pictures. I turned it off and shortly after I got up to plug it into the charger.
When I turned the screen on to verify my alarm was set, the screen is normally portrait in orientation was landscape. It would not rotate. So, I unlocked it in landscape mode, which is a tad awkward just because I'm not used to it.
The screen would only rotate into landscape, or portrait, but portrait was upside down! The buttons for back or home were away from me. Turn off screen and back on. Same thing. Lock screen landscape.
So, I figure I'll go do that calibration where you put your phone on a level surface. It pops up in landscape and all I could see was a letter G and rest was black screen.
Rebooting fixed the problem, but does anyone know if I might have hit something or if there's a fix without rebooting?

yuppicide said:
I was lying down on my back. Hands up looking at phone. I watched some video. I viewed some pictures. I turned it off and shortly after I got up to plug it into the charger.
When I turned the screen on to verify my alarm was set, the screen is normally portrait in orientation was landscape. It would not rotate. So, I unlocked it in landscape mode, which is a tad awkward just because I'm not used to it.
The screen would only rotate into landscape, or portrait, but portrait was upside down! The buttons for back or home were away from me. Turn off screen and back on. Same thing. Lock screen landscape.
So, I figure I'll go do that calibration where you put your phone on a level surface. It pops up in landscape and all I could see was a letter G and rest was black screen.
Rebooting fixed the problem, but does anyone know if I might have hit something or if there's a fix without rebooting?
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Personally this hasn't happened to me but I have heard of it happening. From what i have read and heard is that the proximity sensor for some reason gets stuck. i have heard of people using the old flashlight trick that was used on the M7 to fix it but a reboot fixes it every time. So I don't think you bumped anything. hope this helped .

[Q] How do you guys feel about Moto Display?

I honestly think it is far too sensitive. I just got my X today and I set it in my passenger seat to drive. The active display turned on about every 4 seconds because of the tiny bumps from driving. With the IR sensors turned on the display is turned on every time I set down my phone. I emailed Moto about making some kind of sensitivity setting. What do you guys think?

jdubya42 said:
I honestly think it is far too sensitive. I just got my X today and I set it in my passenger seat to drive. The active display turned on about every 4 seconds because of the tiny bumps from driving. With the IR sensors turned on the display is turned on every time I set down my phone. I emailed Moto about making some kind of sensitivity setting. What do you guys think?
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I wouldn't worry about it. It barely uses any power when it turns on because amoled. If it was an LCD screen, you bet I would be complaining
sent from my Moto X (2014)

0.0 said:
I wouldn't worry about it. It barely uses any power when it turns on because amoled. If it was an LCD screen, you bet I would be complaining
sent from my Moto X (2014)
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I'm not really worried about battery life so much as it just annoys me to see my screen constantly turn on. Well, partly.

I made it like the 2013 version. Shut off the hand motion sensors so now it only responds to movement of the device. MUCH better on battery

Active Display turns on as long as you have notifications, it's not road bumps setting it off.

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Active Display turns on as long as you have notifications, it's not road bumps setting it off.
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I think you may be wrong on this, if you wave at the phone or move it a little bit the display will show you the time, even if there is no notifications, i too have this issue, i leave my phone on the dash and since the back of the phone is curved , it will tilt a little , enough to activate the display. No biggie, but just saying it happens .
If it had the option, my setup would be OFF Movement sensor, and ON (ir) gesture sensor . i see myself frequently waving at the screen to check the time, and now i do this thing where i dont use the wake button to unlock the phone while it sits on my desk, i make the display wake with my hand and unlock it..

Galinha1 said:
I think you may be wrong on this, if you wave at the phone or move it a little bit the display will show you the time, even if there is no notifications, i too have this issue, i leave my phone on the dash and since the back of the phone is curved , it will tilt a little , enough to activate the display. No biggie, but just saying it happens .
If it had the option, my setup would be OFF Movement sensor, and ON (ir) gesture sensor . i see myself frequently waving at the screen to check the time, and now i do this thing where i dont use the wake button to unlock the phone while it sits on my desk, i make the display wake with my hand and unlock it..
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2nd that, if I could turn off the movement sensor I would also. The gesture sensor works pretty great, the movement sensor is too sensitive.

Yeah, mine blinks on and off all the time regardless of notifications or not. Received an update the other day for the sensors and it didn't change anything.

Galinha1 said:
I think you may be wrong on this, if you wave at the phone or move it a little bit the display will show you the time, even if there is no notifications, i too have this issue, i leave my phone on the dash and since the back of the phone is curved , it will tilt a little , enough to activate the display. No biggie, but just saying it happens .
If it had the option, my setup would be OFF Movement sensor, and ON (ir) gesture sensor . i see myself frequently waving at the screen to check the time, and now i do this thing where i dont use the wake button to unlock the phone while it sits on my desk, i make the display wake with my hand and unlock it..
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I totally agree. IR only and no movement would be great. I have IR turned off right now and I wish it didn't annoy me to have both on. I paid for these fancy new IR sensors and I'm not even using them.

chrisrozon said:
Active Display turns on as long as you have notifications, it's not road bumps setting it off.
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I know what you're talking about, the screen does flash if you have a notification. I can obviously tell I don't have one, just take your phone and tap the corner of it or set it on your couch and then sit down, your active display will turn on.

jdubya42 said:
I know what you're talking about, the screen does flash if you have a notification. I can obviously tell I don't have one, just take your phone and tap the corner of it or set it on your couch and then sit down, your active display will turn on.
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If you are worried about the phone activating the screen too frequently - I think having it upside down will prevent that. The active screen doesn't turn on when in a pocket, and I think that could also be said for being upside down on the car seat next to you.

jasoraso said:
If you are worried about the phone activating the screen too frequently - I think having it upside down will prevent that. The active screen doesn't turn on when in a pocket, and I think that could also be said for being upside down on the car seat next to you.
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I didn't think about that. Thanks for the suggestion.