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I have googled but haven't found answer:
With the use of Magisk one can root his device and yet use Android Pay
but what risks for the user to have his money used by a thief in possession of his rooted smartphone?
You can remotely wipe the device via Android Device Manager..
But no chance that my Android Pay is used before I wipe the device?
EMJI79 said:
But no chance that my Android Pay is used before I wipe the device?
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What if you removed the card that has been setup from Google Wallet Website?
EMJI79 said:
but what risks for the user to have his money used by a thief in possession of his rooted smartphone?
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The exact same as a thief in possession of an unrooted phone. The Android Pay root prohibition is a precaution against software security breaches, not physical theft of the phone.
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What if you removed the card that has been setup from Google Wallet Website?
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I don't understand you?
I am worrying that the thief or the people who finds my smartphone uses it before I can wipe the phone.
I rather have it impossible to use my android pay.
I was wondering if Google tried to unable android pay on a rooted phone because it would be too easy for someone else to exploit it.
EMJI79 said:
I don't understand you?
I am worrying that the thief or the people who finds my smartphone uses it before I can wipe the phone.
I rather have it impossible to use my android pay.
I was wondering if Google tried to unable android pay on a rooted phone because it would be too easy for someone else to exploit it.
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A thief that steals you phone will have the same access as one that steals an unrooted phone.
You need to physically secure your device. This is no different that a bad guy getting hold of your credit card.
This is exactly why a password is required to unlock the phone.
A rooted phone may have data compromised by an application if you grant it root.
This is the issue.
I grant permissions mainly to Titanium Backup and AdAway.
My concern was that someone could use my Android Pay by plugging it to its computer and knowing a little bit of computing.
It seems it isn't the case so I think I'll root the next smartphone I am receiving in a few days.
I also use root to install apps for changing build.prop or dpi/font, if I follow what you say, by denying cellular and wifi access to these apps, I should be safe, right?
I do believe that NFC control and internet access are two separate permission,and so does the process. Since NFC can work without a SIM,and run on it's own piece of hardware,we can assume that NFC and phone's radio signal have almost nothing to do with one another.All of your credit card information would actually be storred on the NFC hardware encrypted rather than your phone's system. Evidently by the fact that banks and phone companies have been offering NFC stick on accessories for unsupported smartphone.The app only act as a terminal to let you control your NFC hardware.
So in short,NFC is much safer than a normal credit card, information stored by NFC can't be access by any level of phone system access.But a rooted phone might allow others to bypass your screen lock and turn on your NFC.
P/s: build.prop can be edited as easily as using a file manager with root access.Or if you're that lazy just find a zip file and flash it.Any build.prop editing app are essentially scam!!
Along with my regular bank account, I use Simple bank. Simple bank is the only card I use in Android Pay.
Their Android app allows you to block and unblock your card instantly. So I'll keep the card blocked all day everyday until I'm about to use it at a terminal/online/ATM to make a purchase. Once it goes through I block it again immediately. If someone gets ahold of my phone when I don't notice, they can try to use Android Pay, but it won't work since I keep it blocked. See? The only real scenario they could get around that is if they steal my phone out of my hands while I'm in line at a store with security cameras, right after I unblock it. In that situation though, I'd just take out my Nexus 5 (main phone is Nexus 6P) and block it on that since I have it installed on both. Any attempted purchases while blocked will be declined. I also like this method because if my card gets skimmed at an ATM / gas station, I'll see declined purchases on the card without actually losing any money. Then I can just report it as stolen / skimmed and have it deactivated and sent a new one.
Here's a link to the bank app if you want to look into it. You apply right from the app and get an account setup (if approved) within a few business days;
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.banksimple
I should also note that they only recently (less than a week) started supporting Android Pay. They use a partner bank to back them. It used to be Bancorp, but they switched to BBVA Compass. You'll need the BBVA backing bank to use AP. Bancorp is not supported. I believe they switched everyone to the new partner bank & all new customers use them as well, but it might be worth it to look into their support site or call them yourself to be sure.
Magisk is not altering system partition
So your apps actually can't be tampered and people can't get info from apps. The main issue in rooted devices people can get the information stored in app's private database and preferences so what actually Magisk is doing moving or helping the banking apps or apps those need to be run to a more safe place that is safe from outside activities.
First, I'm just in shock t here's a phone that can't be rooted. It just blows my mind and really, I'm saddened by it. It totally defeats the original idea behind Android - a device that people can root, voiding their warranty, develop - A lot of Amateur dev'd features have been incorporated into Android as it's grown over the years, and modify. Even the Judicial system said end users have the right to do what they want to their device and void the warranty at their own discretion.
However, even if it does ever actually come out and even if VZW DOES carry it and even if I could afford it, which I doubt, I really like th Z force, from what I've seen and read.
So how are you guys who have always used rooted, mod'd devices living without root??
I guess I can learn to give up most of my root required apps, begrudgingly, but TB?? How could I ever transfer my apps and data (MUST have data transferred too) without root??
What about bloatware? It's like giving up sex for me to give up root. Aaaauuuggghhhhh
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First, I'm just in shock t here's a phone that can't be rooted. It just blows my mind and really, I'm saddened by it. It totally defeats the original idea behind Android - a device that people can root, voiding their warranty, develop - A lot of Amateur dev'd features have been incorporated into Android as it's grown over the years, and modify. Even the Judicial system said end users have the right to do what they want to their device and void the warranty at their own discretion.
However, even if it does ever actually come out and even if VZW DOES carry it and even if I could afford it, which I doubt, I really like th Z force, from what I've seen and read.
So how are you guys who have always used rooted, mod'd devices living without root??
I guess I can learn to give up most of my root required apps, begrudgingly, but TB?? How could I ever transfer my apps and data (MUST have data transferred too) without root??
What about bloatware? It's like giving up sex for me to give up root. Aaaauuuggghhhhh
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There's several Android devices that cannot be rooted, certainly ones designed for Verizon (Droids)
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sd_shadow said:
There's several Android devices that cannot be rooted, certainly ones designed for Verizon (Droids)
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True that, but I'm not interested in those lol
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True that, but I'm not interested in those lol
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Well for me the biggest difference is I used to use Playstation controllers, so I had to switch to a gamesir g3s which is the same size and shape but does not require root. Nothing else I do requires root so Im perfectly fine not having it. I miss mhl far more than root since I used it a lot with a bluetooth keyboard and mouse with chrome remote desktop, but I bought a laptop to eliminate that.
I'm really missing the following apps:
Titanium Backup
Ad Blockers that actually work well (AdAway, MinMinGuard, UnbelovedHosts)
Viper4Android
File Browsers that can access the entire filesystem (allowing me to debloat stock apps, among other things).
I can partially work around the ad blockers thing by spending a few extra bucks to purchase some apps that I don't use often enough to have already warranted a purchase, and using DNS66 for non-secure uses (a less than optimal solution, since I can't trust some random server on the internet which could theoretically hit me with a MITM attack...I turn it off whenever security is a concern).
There really is no good workaround for TiBu, V4A, or root file explorers.
But the benefits are that I can now use Android Pay, and don't need to fight with SnapChat every time I need to log back in.
The negatives far outweigh the benefits, and I don't want to ever buy a non-rootable phone again. GFY Verizon.
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I'm really missing the following apps:
Titanium Backup
Ad Blockers that actually work well (AdAway, MinMinGuard, UnbelovedHosts)
Viper4Android
File Browsers that can access the entire filesystem (allowing me to debloat stock apps, among other things).
I can partially work around the ad blockers thing by spending a few extra bucks to purchase some apps that I don't use often enough to have already warranted a purchase, and using DNS66 for non-secure uses (a less than optimal solution, since I can't trust some random server on the internet which could theoretically hit me with a MITM attack...I turn it off whenever security is a concern).
There really is no good workaround for TiBu, V4A, or root file explorers.
But the benefits are that I can now use Android Pay, and don't need to fight with SnapChat every time I need to log back in.
The negatives far outweigh the benefits, and I don't want to ever buy a non-rootable phone again. GFY Verizon.
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That's what I wanted to hear. Guess I'll have to pass on this one. No Backup, or V4A is not acceptable for me
The only complaint that I have is that some of the pre-installed apps are not able to be uninstalled. theres 4? or so that I can't get rid of
This is my first non-rootable phone and I have mixed feelings about that. As a stock platform, the Z Force is a great phone and does almost all that I could ask for from a pocket computer. I love having stock Android and like having WiFi calling, though it's a pain to switch back and forth: go into airplane mode, then switch WiFi on to make WiFi calls. Of course, you have to remember to turn airplane mode off when you get back into service.
I also miss Titanium Backup and the ability to completely remove apps I have no interest in having on my phone. All things being equal, I find that I can live without root on this phone. Battery life is great, it's fast, and it gets frequent and regular updates.
Really, no root?
So I just as well stay with my old rooted Droid Turbo. I came here thinking its time I look for a newer Motorola phone, that I can root.
What if I buy an unlocked Z Force? Can it be rooted then?
It seems that the regular Moto Z can be rooted according to this thread:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-z/how-to/guide-how-to-root-moto-z-supersu-t3551113
So why can the Force not also be rooted?
Stuck with VZW Malware
I'd like to add to my original list of complaints about not having root.
The topic: AppFlash
Verizon now pushes the AppFlash malware onto every Android device. Without root, it can not be removed properly. I tried to disable the app via Settings, and it "uninstalled" an "update" so now AppFlash doesn't appear in the Apps list, but I still get messages that "AppFlash has crashed" multiple times per day. I work in an area with minimal cell service and no GPS service, and I strongly supect that it's AppFlash that's trying to spy on me, which is causing my phone to be constantly seeking location via GPS and draining my battery. It's only the last month or two that I've noticed it being this bad, and that does seem to correspond with the time that people started reporting the latest wave of AppFlash installations.
Make no bones about it, this is spyware, pushed by Verizon, that tracks your location, calls home to report everything ELSE they've spied on you as well, drains battery rapidly, and can not be removed!
This was the final straw, Verizon. I'm going to move back to iPhone (at least VZW can't crap up iOS too badly, like they can with Android) and then convince my wife to finally fire those VZW bums and switch to T-Mobile or Google Fi.
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I'd like to add to my original list of complaints about not having root.
The topic: AppFlash
Verizon now pushes the AppFlash malware onto every Android device. Without root, it can not be removed properly. I tried to disable the app via Settings, and it "uninstalled" an "update" so now AppFlash doesn't appear in the Apps list, but I still get messages that "AppFlash has crashed" multiple times per day. I work in an area with minimal cell service and no GPS service, and I strongly supect that it's AppFlash that's trying to spy on me, which is causing my phone to be constantly seeking location via GPS and draining my battery. It's only the last month or two that I've noticed it being this bad, and that does seem to correspond with the time that people started reporting the latest wave of AppFlash installations.
Make no bones about it, this is spyware, pushed by Verizon, that tracks your location, calls home to report everything ELSE they've spied on you as well, drains battery rapidly, and can not be removed!
This was the final straw, Verizon. I'm going to move back to iPhone (at least VZW can't crap up iOS too badly, like they can with Android) and then convince my wife to finally fire those VZW bums and switch to T-Mobile or Google Fi.
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How is the iPhone working out on Fi?
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How is the iPhone working out on Fi?
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Haha, I know, right? Reading comprehension can be hard.
As I said, my plan was to FIRST move back to an iPhone, THEN switch to T-Mobile OR Google Fi (the implication being, that when changing networks, one must obviously either have or obtain compatible hardware). Unfortunately, in my area only VZW has reliable 4G coverage without dead zones in the places where we need service the most. The wife has put her foot down about switching networks for the time being.
At least my iPhone, while older, still has the most recent version of iOS and is unencumbered by Verizon's malware. It's a reasonable compromise at the moment.
Since Z Force seems to be non-rootable, does it mean that camera2 api support level on the phone cannot be improved?
Or is there any way to enable Camera2 API Without Root on this phone?
also, can someone PLEASE help me on this QUERY...
What is Camera2 API support level on Moto Z FORCE
https://forum.xda-developers.com/z-force/themes/camera2-api-support-level-moto-z-force-t3863829
Its so sad not to have root on a very capable device like the Z force
I did post this in the G5 group, but this is more appropriate, I only got 1 reply there and need more info really to fight my cause. I have also emailed the Superuser developers but no reply..
My LG G5 is just under 18 months old, so still covered by the 2 yr UK warranty in that sense. It has started to only accept a USB connection (for charging, data connection, anything) once before it needs rebooting to accept it again.
So, I sent it back to LG. They sent the phone back to say it is rooted and wouldn't fix it.
I have eventually got to someone at Head Office and they still say the same, that as the OS has been modified then they will not repair it (the warranty does state that they will not repair a fault CAUSED by a modification by the way)
So I ran the internal software check as mentioned here - - and it does indeed come up with a positive, it says that SUPERUSER (a rooting related app) was installed on 1/1/17. - see attached image
I well remember doing a full wipe and reinstall of the phone on new years day and Google Play installed all the apps on my account and I had to delete the ones that I didn't use anymore. I have rooted various devices and that is why Superuser was in my Google Play account. It did install on the phone that day and was uninstalled (never run) the same day. The phone has never been rooted (it has been mine since new, I know how to root phones and would know if I had! I have also had no reason to) and I have run Android Pay and the banking apps on it all the time.
I can actually get the phone repaired for £25 anyway so it's not so much the repair that is the issue right now, it's that I think LG shouldn't get away with treating customers like this and I want to make a point.
Before I go through the various public attempts to make the point (Twitter, Trading Standards, Tech mags) I do want to be 100% clear of the facts, so if I am mistaken then please do tell me.
The Head Office guy said that even though Android Pay etc still works, that they have different checks and that a program has been run that has modified the OS. Their own internal phone software tells me that this program is Superuser. My understanding is that superuser does nothing at all unless a phone is rooted. Then, on a rooted phone, it will act as a 'middle-man', intercepting anything that wants root access and asking for permission from the user.
Am I correct in saying (and LG incorrect) that Superuser makes NO change to the OS? All the version numbers in About in Settings are the current legit ones.
In my opinion, they are technically intelligent enough to know that there is no technical issue with my circumstances, they just want to get out of fixing the phone (which has already cost them me buying the next incarnation of the series at the end of my contract and my next TV too). Even if it had been modified, the app was installed on 1 Jan, the issue started a month ago, and LG happily fixed another fault (fingerprint sensor) on the phone back in April with no complaining about root! There could be no proof that the fault was caused by Superuser.
Any advice/ammunition to talk to them would be appreciated.
Seems like a stupid question, but yes I bought a 2213 EU version, unlocked the bootloader, rooted it the right way, did everything to pass safety net, device is play protect registered, getprop ro.boot.verifiedbootstate returns green, Google Pay works fine after root, DRM Info shows Widevine L1
Netflix won't install (not compatible with device)
HBOMax won't play
Peacock won't install
Hulu won't install
Is this possibly a OnePLus bug on the new NE2213_11_A.15 build, some new rooting thing with Android 12, bad luck, or is there some solution that I need to install?
I may be haded right back to the trusty OnePlus 8 Pro....which has none of these issues and has the Macro Camera which I actually miss....
Thanks in advance for any suggestions....
Also, if anyone in the US needs dual SIM, the EU versions supports all the US bands (and more), is dual SIM, and works flawlessly with T-Mobile...5G, VoWiFi, everything.
Same thing for me, i live in Sweden and we have Cmore & Discovery here that refuse to play after bootloader unlock and root, no magisk hide solution have worked for me. Maybe bootloader unlock with no root works, but cant try because my OP10 is bricked. My old OP9 was working perfect with all the streaming, i now have Xiaomi 12 Pro and was afraid the same thing would happend with this phone, only unlocked bootloader on this phone but no root and everything works 100%, streaming apps, gpay.
It just seems there is something wrong here in the way that OnePlus certified this device. Other Android 12 devices can be rooted without all these issue, right?
Can people US or Chinese / Indian versions get rooted and have access to the Streaming services?
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It just seems there is something wrong here in the way that OnePlus certified this device. Other Android 12 devices can be rooted without all these issue, right?
Can people US or Chinese / Indian versions get rooted and have access to the Streaming services?
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I have Hulu Disney plus and Netflix working but only play when streamed to my Chromecast. On device play doesn't work and only plays L3 even though device reads L1. Believe it's to deal with bootloader unlock and not root. But others posted that it was a OnePlus issue and was supposed to be resolved but hasn't been.
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I have Hulu Disney plus and Netflix working but only play when streamed to my Chromecast. On device play doesn't work and only plays L3 even though device reads L1. Believe it's to deal with bootloader unlock and not root. But others posted that it was a OnePlus issue and was supposed to be resolved but hasn't been.
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It's a issue with this particular Snapdragon chip. The Samsung Galaxy Tab S8 uses the same processor and has the exact same problem.
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It's a issue with this particular Snapdragon chip. The Samsung Galaxy Tab S8 uses the same processor and has the exact same problem.
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How can it be the chip. It could be the kernel associated didn't have correct commits from snapdragon. But still the drm is in the secure partition on our device that can't be altered also.
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How can it be the chip. It could be the kernel associated didn't have correct commits from snapdragon. But still the drm is in the secure partition on our device that can't be altered also.
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Not sure, but that's the only common link between both devices from different manufacturers. They're basically using the same work around we are. I'll be testing it out shortly also since my S8 was just delivered.
It is just fundamentally blocking anything having to do with DRM. You can't even spoof the user agent and watch any streaming service through a browser -- it ask if the browser can play secure content (you say yes) and then gives an error. I am not even that much of a TV / Movie guy, but to be 100% blocked from any streaming just for rooting a device you own????
Pretty F&*^in extreme if you asked me....
The only question is do I wait for someone to hack it (if that's even possible), or do I just go back to my trusty OP 8 Pro and sell this...?
Are there any Android 12 rootable phones that don't have this issue...or is it all Android 12 phones?
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It is just fundamentally blocking anything having to do with DRM. You can't even spoof the user agent and watch any streaming service through a browser -- it ask if the browser can play secure content (you say yes) and then gives an error. I am not even that much of a TV / Movie guy, but to be 100% blocked from any streaming just for rooting a device you own????
Pretty F&*^in extreme if you asked me....
The only question is do I wait for someone to hack it (if that's even possible), or do I just go back to my trusty OP 8 Pro and sell this...?
Are there any Android 12 rootable phones that don't have this issue...or is it all Android 12 phones?
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i think it's a snapdragon issue rather than software issue.
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Seems like a stupid question, but yes I bought a 2213 EU version, unlocked the bootloader, rooted it the right way, did everything to pass safety net, device is play protect registered, getprop ro.boot.verifiedbootstate returns green, Google Pay works fine after root, DRM Info shows Widevine L1
Netflix won't install (not compatible with device)
HBOMax won't play
Peacock won't install
Hulu won't install
Is this possibly a OnePLus bug on the new NE2213_11_A.15 build, some new rooting thing with Android 12, bad luck, or is there some solution that I need to install?
I may be haded right back to the trusty OnePlus 8 Pro....which has none of these issues and has the Macro Camera which I actually miss....
Thanks in advance for any suggestions....
Also, if anyone in the US needs dual SIM, the EU versions supports all the US bands (and more), is dual SIM, and works flawlessly with T-Mobile...5G, VoWiFi, everything.
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How did you get widevine L1 after bootloader unlock?
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How did you get widevine L1 after bootloader unlock?
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That's what DRM Info showed.
But for me it's all moot at this point. Yesterday, Google Pay stopped working (some new detection thing I presume), so I attempted to relock the bootloader with
./fastboot flashing lock
at which point the device started going into an infinite power cycle instant reboot no way to get into FASTBOOT, or Recovery or turn off the phone. So I just returning the phone and going back to OnePLus 8 / Android 11 where you can be fully rooted and everything just works.
What a disappointment and waste of time.
Thanks for everyone who offerred suggestions...I'll try back in 6 months or so and see if any of this gets sorted out.
It's not "issues with the chip". Google upped their ante with root detection, which breaks everything from netflix to google pay. See this thread.
I was the OP and had to return my bricked OP10Pro under the 30 day return period.
Anyway, I bought a Google 512GB Pixel 6 Pro used, rooted it, and did the basic stuff I have done since the OP8Pro -- and everything works -- GPay, Netflix, no DRM issues and no hassles.
So maybe it is the chip, but if google had "upped their game" I would think it would be with their own phones especially since the Tensor SOC (co developed with Samsung) has a trusted security module.
As far as the phones go, the Pixel Pro is heavier and the battery charges slower, but you get dual SIM and it works on all USA/Worldside 5G networks and bands. And the cameras are top notch. So kind of a tossup I guess.
I have an Tablet A7 ( SM T-505)- With Android 10 UI 2.5.
But after sn failed update from Google Maps ( from 10 something to 11.75.0302)- wich disabled me from charging my tablet propably.
( as I would say ruin my tablet).
Because however what's strange is that I can recharge when I have empty battery( or atleast <5%). Will I charge earlier it just recharge my unit.
And if I cancel before it will be fully recharged I must use up what I have charged.
I myself already tryed to: Put my unit into Safe Mode,and also into dev mode, and also inactivated the app.
Since this app is an rooted app- wich is an part of Googles standard apps ( wich isn't possibel to delete).
So it seems that this update has affected the " register files" in Android.
But since I in the past had experienced trouble to complete the process in the past, mostly due to new updated regulations from both Samsung and Google.
But mostly from Samsung,since they nowdays requires 2 step aut to a nr wich I don't have acess to.
So is there any possibility for me to reset it in an other way?
Since I myself also have heard of Odin- forum.
But it seems that this forum is down- since I don't recive any confirmation mail.
Welcome to XDA
If a reset reset doesn't resolve the issue, flash to the last known working version.
If you're unsure how to flash it, a Samsung Experience center at Best Buys can do, or Samsung Repair. A good repair shop can as well. If all above fail you're looking at a mobo failure; flashing to the last known working version may bypass the hardware damage if that's the cause.
Firmware upgrades and updates can and do break Samsung's. Anytime you flash firmware you take a risk, I trust OTA updates the least. Personally I avoid doing it on Samsung's if the device is running well.
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Well it seems that every time an new update is released from Google causes some sort of conflict( creates bug reports), and that every new update also requires an system update ( OS).
But what's more stange is that Google them selves ignore this,and their standard reply to everyting is Factory Reset.
And in the end that Google don't mention anyting about this.
Since all units wich are sold ( doesn't matter if it's an Tablet or phone ) they always will come with an rooted OS.
Since this type of licence is some special OEM- Software, it's also disabled from doing any changes to the software( non refundable)
So this mean if you already activated it once,it's per default also impossibel to recover( reinstall).
Unleash you create a new account.
Because however I myself had ruined my previous device due to an system update.
Since Samsung call their OS UI.
What many people also is not aware of is the difference between an update and reinstall.
Update= Only adds something new,but don't fix the original problem.
So the conclution is that Google force users to buy the latest equipment.
Wich also mean that I strongly dissuade users to repeat my misstake.
Just find your settings and disable from reciving autoupdates.
But what's more strange is that the new update activates some sort of Safe Mode= an absolut min of charging ( close to values of discarging)
Aprox 0.5A or less.
So this mean that the unit is charging,but very slowly( wich are similar/ close to discharging).
I myself would see an feature of an option where I can manualy Delete( or choose not download) this app.
Because however this is some sort of Momentum 22.
Since what Samsung says about this is that they don't take any responsiblity of 3:rd party apps ( wich are Samsungs policy).
At the other hand what Google do is that they forces me to create an Google accunt- wich is essential.
But the best would if the licens from Samsung would be an traditional OEM- software, wich I could use and reset as many times I find is nessesarly.
Because that's not the case today.
Since when Google has 100% control,they also decide like an push of a button when they should shut down my acess to their software.
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Well it seems that every time an new update is released from Google causes some sort of conflict( creates bug reports), and that every new update also requires an system update ( OS).
But what's more stange is that Google them selves ignore this,and their standard reply to everyting is Factory Reset.
And in the end that Google don't mention anyting about this.
Since all units wich are sold ( doesn't matter if it's an Tablet or phone ) they always will come with an rooted OS.
Since this type of licence is some special OEM- Software, it's also disabled from doing any changes to the software( non refundable)
So this mean if you already activated it once,it's per default also impossibel to recover( reinstall).
Unleash you create a new account.
Because however I myself had ruined my previous device due to an system update.
Since Samsung call their OS UI.
What many people also is not aware of is the difference between an update and reinstall.
Update= Only adds something new,but don't fix the original problem.
So the conclution is that Google force users to buy the latest equipment.
Wich also mean that I strongly dissuade users to repeat my misstake.
Just find your settings and disable from reciving autoupdates.
But what's more strange is that the new update activates some sort of Safe Mode= an absolut min of charging ( close to values of discarging)
Aprox 0.5A or less.
So this mean that the unit is charging,but very slowly( wich are similar/ close to discharging).
I myself would see an feature of an option where I can manualy Delete( or choose not download) this app.
Because however this is some sort of Momentum 22.
Since what Samsung says about this is that they don't take any responsiblity of 3:rd party apps ( wich are Samsungs policy).
At the other hand what Google do is that they forces me to create an Google accunt- wich is essential.
But the best would if the licens from Samsung would be an traditional OEM- software, wich I could use and reset as many times I find is nessesarly.
Because that's not the case today.
Since when Google has 100% control,they also decide like an push of a button when they should shut down my acess to their software.
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Gookill... had my fill of them. Invariably they either keep screwing with a good product until they dumb it down or discontinue it. Either way you're boned. Typical MS ideology, woke cloud our way or the highway; you'll own nothing and be happy... not.
This N10+ last firmware update was 11/2019, still running on Pie. The current load will be 3 yo this June, still fast, stable with minimal maintenance. Security is not an issue. All OTA updates are disables as is Playstore. Google play Services is temporarily disabled unless needed. Samsung updates are disabled as much as possible; Galaxy store and Good Lock apps requires them. Wearables does not and the newer versions suck. Firmware upgrades for the Buds+ should be blocked if they sound good; use a firewall to lock it down.
These are some of the reasons why this Note runs so well and is so stable.
Rule #1 - if a OS is fulfilling its mission let it be!
Use ApkExport to save time, trouble and to avoid using Playstore for reloads and new setups. For paid Playstore apps, once activated firewall block them and disabled Playstore. Playstore runs a lot in the background and isn't needed.
Most apps should not be updated if nothing else is. This can break them and is a potential security risk.
That's a realistic ( and a bit funny) way of express yourself.
Because however as I remembered old computer programs( the type of license); is that when you bought it once you had it for more of less your lifetime( or untill a new OS was released).
But since the new app based technology; in wich you sign up for a period of time( wich means that you don't own your own copy), so this mean that a company in click of a button decides when and who sholud have acess to their products.
So even if Samsung ( or other brands) put " quality" hardware ( for an example high battery,great screen resolution,a good camera etc),but since a hardware is depending on a stable software- it will be a pile of junk either way.
So it's the same of putting an Volvo BM Tractor engine into a Volvo 740 series.
But now matter of my comical expressions- since I myself is an complete novice in the world of Android( has more experience of Win 98).
As I would say: " Everything above Win 98 is just superfluous"
But however I myself had experienced that there are loads of junk apps in Play store.
Some are released from officaly ( well known/ established) sources, but there are exeptions( mostly from cusom search from Google)- wich are junk( harmfull).
Now matter, what is the attached APK- File? What can I use?
Since I myself found a great site wich has APK- Files ( Google maps).
But this maybe be superfluous, since my main issue is that I need to perform a factory reset ( clean install).
Since I myself had experienced it badly in the past,I don't want to repeat the same again.
Thomasz25 said:
That's a realistic ( and a bit funny) way of express yourself.
Because however as I remembered old computer programs( the type of license); is that when you bought it once you had it for more of less your lifetime( or untill a new OS was released).
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Lol, still running W7 and may run XPx64 again as well. No real time limit as long as you use it within it's parameters.
Thomasz25 said:
But since the new app based technology; in wich you sign up for a period of time( wich means that you don't own your own copy), so this mean that a company in click of a button decides when and who sholud have acess to their products.
So even if Samsung ( or other brands) put " quality" hardware ( for an example high battery,great screen resolution,a good camera etc),but since a hardware is depending on a stable software- it will be a pile of junk either way.
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All Samsung's need to be optimized and need a package disabler or adb edits. A stock Samsung as such can run very good. This N10+ is still running on Pie, current liad will be 3yo this June.
Almost no issues with minimal maintenance.
Thomasz25 said:
So it's the same of putting an Volvo BM Tractor engine into a Volvo 740 series.
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Those tractor engines ran a lot better with plenty of off the line torque and acceleration. I owned 2 80's 240's before the brand went to hell. You could get half a mil miles out of them. 20 mpg even if stomp down on the accelerator from a stand still in city driving most of the time. You beat the turbos off the line everytime. The air aspirated International diesel on the 90's Ford F-250, E-250's etc were they same way, and fun to drive. Today's junk is well, junk.
Thomasz25 said:
But now matter of my comical expressions- since I myself is an complete novice in the world of Android( has more experience of Win 98).
As I would say: " Everything above Win 98 is just superfluous"
But however I myself had experienced that there are loads of junk apps in Play store.
Some are released from officaly ( well known/ established) sources, but there are exeptions( mostly from cusom search from Google)- wich are junk( harmfull).
Now matter, what is the attached APK- File? What can I use?
Since I myself found a great site wich has APK- Files ( Google maps).
But this maybe be superfluous, since my main issue is that I need to perform a factory reset ( clean install).
Since I myself had experienced it badly in the past,I don't want to repeat the same again.
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