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General X3 Pro Retuned

So , after 4 weeks, I returned my X3 Pro .
2 main reasons - no promised monthly security updates and no plans to fix the Android auto problems.
Their support is non existent unfortunately.
Love the design , the main camera's are fantastic, it feels brilliant in the hand and vooc is great. But having them effectively drop support so early at this price is not acceptable.
( Nb I contacted them regarding both issues. The updates - they will try their best to supply security patches when they can ! . Android auto - working on it - after looking , the X2 pro has the same exact problem which was never fixed. )
Back to a S21 Ultra.

mgbosshogg said:
So , after 4 weeks, I returned my X3 Pro .
2 main reasons - no promised monthly security updates and no plans to fix the Android auto problems.
Their support is non existent unfortunately.
Love the design , the main camera's are fantastic, it feels brilliant in the hand and vooc is great. But having them effectively drop support so early at this price is not acceptable.
( Nb I contacted them regarding both issues. The updates - they will try their best to supply security patches when they can ! . Android auto - working on it - after looking , the X2 pro has the same exact problem which was never fixed. )
Back to a S21 Ultra.
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I feel your pain. I have also asked to return mine, but so far (2 weeks later) they haven't bothered replying.
They're also useless at replying via Twitter, despite being publically called out on it.
As you say, it's a pity because the rest of the phone is great - so, so much better than the OP9 Pro which is the obvious comparison (S21 Ultra is too big).

stuclark said:
I feel your pain. I have also asked to return mine, but so far (2 weeks later) they haven't bothered replying.
They're also useless at replying via Twitter, despite being publically called out on it.
As you say, it's a pity because the rest of the phone is great - so, so much better than the OP9 Pro which is the obvious comparison (S21 Ultra is too big).
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I bought mine via EE anytime upgrade , my saving grace was I contacted EE within the 2 weeks asking if they could push them for support.
I too was looking for a slightly smaller , more comfortable device without spec compromise. There is no doubt that the S21U is the top dog , but it's not for everyone. I genuinely enjoyed actually using the X3. Shame.
Will wait and see what the pixel 6 XL turns out to be I guess.

Returned my Chinese version: so many system apps locked to Chinese: assistant, back-up cloud, store, messaging. Difficult if not impossible to get to usual android versions. Blocking reselection of messaging app due to 'security'. Just no fun, even with the screen, cameras , wireless charging. No hope that the community would ever grow enough to get proper root & rom freedom. Went back to my OnePlus5 before taking the inexpensive OnePlusNord N10.

stuclark said:
I feel your pain. I have also asked to return mine, but so far (2 weeks later) they haven't bothered replying.
They're also useless at replying via Twitter, despite being publically called out on it.
As you say, it's a pity because the rest of the phone is great - so, so much better than the OP9 Pro which is the obvious comparison (S21 Ultra is too big).genuine question. How is the oppo find x3 pro, better than the one plus 9 pro. Oneplus 9 pro is cheaper, same display, battery, tab bit faster charging so not sure why people think oppo find x3 pro is better. Also the resale value of the oppo appears far much less.
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Guys, please advise. I can trade my Sasmung S21 Ultra for a Oppo Find X3 Pro and thinking to do that trade. Is the Oppo close to the S21U? My battery with the ultra is excellent and the camera aswell. Reason for me is the experience of this phone. I switch often, just for a devices try out, but the samsung S21U is now on top for me and i doubt about the Oppo. Can you help me for this?

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Guys, please advise. I can trade my Sasmung S21 Ultra for a Oppo Find X3 Pro and thinking to do that trade. Is the Oppo close to the S21U? My battery with the ultra is excellent and the camera aswell. Reason for me is the experience of this phone. I switch often, just for a devices try out, but the samsung S21U is now on top for me and i doubt about the Oppo. Can you help me for this?
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I understand that urge to get something new. But of you're so happy with the S21 why not keeping it until something reallly, really special pops up?
I cannot compare to a S21U myself, but i really dislike the fingerprint sensor on the s10 and s20. Don't know if the one in the s21 also gives you some grieve.
The X3 is much lighter (which is important to me) and charges really fast.
Battery life is ok, but i can't compare because everyone uses it differently.

Vingerprint is okay on the S21U. But i think the overall camera is better on the ultra compared with the Oppo right? And the updates from oppo are not often released

RoyAndroids said:
Vingerprint is okay on the S21U. But i think the overall camera is better on the ultra compared with the Oppo right? And the updates from oppo are not often released
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Updates are indeed slower.
Camera i don't know, i only use it for x rated videos, and it's good enough for that

Comparing samsung s20 fe (snapdragon) to Huawei p30 pro (2020)

Hi, I am new here and need some advise.
I am choosing between Huawei P30 PRO (2020) and Samsung s20 FE (snapdragon). Key features of importance are camera, battery life, screen quality and performance. I am really having troubles with choosing between the two handsets.
Would someone share their opinion, especially if the choice was similar to mine or based on your experience of a specific handset over time.
Many thanks

I think Huawei is finished giving android updates to it's phones, heard they're moving to their in-house OS that has android app compatibility. at the moment you can side load play store (can't remember if the P30 was before the ban and ships with PS), in the future who knows. I'd take a look at each phones sub reddit before spending any cash. neither is perfect. some have been unlucky with screen issues, many have had none at all on their FE. I have them myself.
if you plan to keep the phone a while that should be a factor in your choice. very slow custom rom and mod development on the FE, Huawei is bound to be livelier.

I have both these phones and they are both great. I got the P30 Pro New Edition when it came out last year. It's still fast and has great battery life and the cameras are very good. Huawei are still updating it with security patches (quarterly I think) and it got EMUI 11 about 3 months ago. But EMUI 11 is still based on Android 10 and don't expect the Android version to be updated even if the EMUI version does. Also coming later in the year is the update to Harmony OS which may (or maybe not) remove all Play Store access. Personally I'm looking forward to Harmony OS as it will be nice to be running something different and I also own the...
S20 FE 5G. This is also a good device with decent cameras and battery life. It feels less premium in the hand compared to the P30 Pro but that's because it is a less premium device! It has a plastic back and a flat screen compared to glass back and curved screen on the P30 Pro - some may well prefer both of these differences on the S20FE. Updates are more frequent on the Samsung - monthly - and they have committed to it being updated for another couple of Android versions. Personally I would lean towards the S20FE because of the long term support on both devices, the P30 Pro may well be OK but we can't be sure what will happen in a couple of years.
I own both because I use the desktop mode on both phones and, if your bothered, DeX (Samsung) is slightly better than Easy Projection (Huawei) but both do a decent job if you are interested.

Question Who has a Realme GT2?

Soo, anyone here who has the phone?
If so, do you have the Chinese or Global version and how are you finding it?
Seriously considering getting this phone.

Seems nobody? Well I just ordered one for myself, Chinese phone but apparently the seller can have it flashed to the Global ROM - so will take a while to arrive in South Africa but will report back once I receive it.
I figured it was not worth spending the extra money on the Pro version as the differences are the cameras and SoC. I'd rather have the non fisheye wide angle and the normal macros and not the microscope camera and I feel the SD888 will be more than sufficient for me. Do not play games on my phone much.

I purchase it today from amazon spain... it is little to big for me but i will give him a chance... definitly best buy flagship. I am buying him because it is the cheapes phone with imx 766 and snapdragon 888. But now i have second thoughts beacuse of realme gt neo 3. It has same imx766 sensor and dimesity 8100 which is really fast with night mode processing. what you guys think about it gt2 or gt neo 3.

I have cancelled the order... dimensity 8100 and 9000 is really step up from sd 888.

m0mm0.com said:
I have cancelled the order... dimensity 8100 and 9000 is really step up from sd 888.
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I think that's all marketing bollocks, in practice I doubt the difference will be that big considering the gt 2 pro is the flagship and the neo 3 can't or should not be better than it and should be less good than the gt2. Gcam also helps a lot in night photos.
Anyway, unless you're going to import it from China the neo 3 is only coming to Europe in the summer.

I might do import it from china and dimensity 8100 can is better in everything, faster cores, low energy consumption, 5Gigapixel/s (888 2.7Gpixel/s)... I really want top notch for money. Only one thing is that it is going to be difficult to unlock bootloader but with gt2 global is problem too for now. Gcam is only problem with dimensity 8100.
I don't know what to do...mybe wait for oneplus nord 3 coz better support.

m0mm0.com said:
I might do import it from china and dimensity 8100 can is better in everything, faster cores, low energy consumption, 5Gigapixel/s (888 2.7Gpixel/s)... I really want top notch for money. Only one thing is that it is going to be difficult to unlock bootloader but with gt2 global is problem too for now. Gcam is only problem with dimensity 8100.
I don't know what to do...mybe wait for oneplus nord 3 coz better support.
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I'm like you, I wanted the best of the best for the price, compared phones back to back, was willing to give 700€ for a fu*** phone, me that never paid more than 350€ for a phone and that was alot back then. haha
In the end I bought the GT2, yeah the pro has a better cpu, better screen bla bla bla and I even thought about returning it when I saw the Neo 3 was releasing like a week after I received it.
But to be honest, I'm very happy with it and honestly I don't need a better phone.
The neo 3 has a better cpu, ok, but will you notice it? To give 30min or 1h more of sot for the lower consumption?
Since you don't have the GT 2 and are willing to wait until summer then go ahead. Otherwise buy it back and you'll be happy anyway.
Oh and Nord 3 is going to be a rebranded Neo 3.

I would be really satisfied with gt2 indeed but this dimensity looking promising with photos and camera is my top priority. GT2 has really good camera and processor and i didn't think twice for buyin it but amazon didn't process my order for 15days and i cancelled order when i saw neo 3 and dimensity 8100. maybe i will buy nord 3 whichi saw it has identical spec maybe little smaller plus better support or even poco f4 with dimensity 9000 if price would be in that rang. so no new phone for another 3 months btw i'm buying new phone for like 1.5 year and i didnt even blink when i saw it on amazon for 450€ in eu. Truly flagship killer.

m0mm0.com said:
I would be really satisfied with gt2 indeed but this dimensity looking promising with photos and camera is my top priority. GT2 has really good camera and processor and i didn't think twice for buyin it but amazon didn't process my order for 15days and i cancelled order when i saw neo 3 and dimensity 8100. maybe i will buy nord 3 whichi saw it has identical spec maybe little smaller plus better support or even poco f4 with dimensity 9000 if price would be in that rang. so no new phone for another 3 months btw i'm buying new phone for like 1.5 year and i didnt even blink when i saw it on amazon for 450€ in eu. Truly flagship killer.
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I really really doubt there will be a noticeable difference in photos, even between the GT 2 and the pro there's small difference and sometimes the GT 2 is better .

i am aware of it and the biggest but for gt neo 3 is gcam.

I've had the GT2 pro (China Rom) for a few months now. Phone runs great besides the Chinese features I can't remove and not having Google assistant and gpay.
I'm just waiting for a way to flash the global ROM.

i have bought the phone eventualy from amazon... it is really nice phone and with sofware updates it is going to be bestbuy for sure. Gt2 pro forum is much more organized then GT2 but i think global gt2 is best buy for sure and sale going to explode...in this price range there is only gt2 with this specs. Thank you Realme.

m0mm0.com said:
I would be really satisfied with gt2 indeed but this dimensity looking promising with photos and camera is my top priority. GT2 has really good camera and processor and i didn't think twice for buyin it but amazon didn't process my order for 15days and i cancelled order when i saw neo 3 and dimensity 8100. maybe i will buy nord 3 whichi saw it has identical spec maybe little smaller plus better support or even poco f4 with dimensity 9000 if price would be in that rang. so no new phone for another 3 months btw i'm buying new phone for like 1.5 year and i didnt even blink when i saw it on amazon for 450€ in eu. Truly flagship killer.
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cameras on the GT 2 are better than that of Neo 3 as per multiple comparisons.

I have the global version for one month now. Really happy with it. Photos are not the best but décents and gcam can be installed. Battery life is great 5 to 6 hours sot with nearly 240 apps and 2 SIM cards. Really happy with it.

I have the Global version and it is good in all aspects. I don't have any issues and have been using this phone for a month now!

Hi,
I'm thinking of buying GT2. I drive a lot and I would like to ask some questions to the owners of the phone:
- is android auto working? do you have any issues?
- is google assistant working without problems?
- does Realme GT2 have Google Dialer as a default dialer?
I would be grateful for this information.

Google dialer is default.

This phone sucks in mic audio quality and in bad compatibility with most Bluetooth devices out there.
I am selling it after 15 days of purchase.

Mic in calls are awsome especially when talking on speakerphone and didn't notice problem with Bluetooth connectivity and i have a lotn9f gadgets like smart watch, headphones and speakers. In videos mic is fine too.

m0mm0.com said:
Mic in calls are awsome especially when talking on speakerphone and didn't notice problem with Bluetooth connectivity and i have a lotn9f gadgets like smart watch, headphones and speakers. In videos mic is fine too.
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You are lucky.... Your device is ok then. Mine has problem. They asked me from Realme to send my device to their service so they can check. I don't care .... I will sell it and buy another brand.

Question Vivo X Fold vs Xiaomi Mix Fold 2

Hey guys,
It appears that Vivo and SamEsung have a new threat on the horizon... The Xiomi Mix Fold 2!
Thinner, ligher, having better spec than the X fold, almost same size screens as the X Fold...
And let's face it, Xiaomi has a better software than Vivo plus this will be their second gen fold and they have some feedback by now... The cameras are quite similar too. The price also. I might switch... Just for the experience...
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Any thoughts?

I wouldn't necessarily say the software is better yet. I will say it could be more flexible for rooting and other things but better is kind of subjective. That said I'm curious to see vivo implement android 12 L. Honestly I'm a bit concerned about their updates in relation to adoption of new os updates like android 12L and android 13

Vivo will be releasing a refresh of the X Fold called the X Fold S. Seems to be exactly the same but with a Snapdragon 8+ Gen1... They might switch their interest to it after release so I'm not sure how things will unfold.
Xiaomi has the plus of having official bootloader unlock options and the Xiaomi EU custom roms that support even China only devices. Another thing is that Xiaomi has a lot bigger user base and more development...

Don't know how you can say Mix Fold 2 is better than X Fold?
Beside it very thin and of course 8+ gen 1
No flex mode
No wireless charge and reverse wireless charge
Smaller battery
No inner screen selfie camera
No Under Screen Fingerprint Sensor

Candy_girl2008 said:
Don't know how you can say Mix Fold 2 is better than X Fold?
Beside it very thin and of course 8+ gen 1
No flex mode
No wireless charge and reverse wireless charge
Smaller battery
No inner screen selfie camera
No Under Screen Fingerprint Sensor
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The last two are actually plusses for me...
Flex mode? There is no flex mode on the X Fold. Only the Samsung have this.
Wireless charging is the biggest evil ever conceived... Slow, heating up the entire device...
Smaller battery? To my knowledge both have 4500mAh battery packs.
Anyway... Different people different needs... I like my X fold but xiaomi is xiaomi...

OrionBG said:
The last two are actually plusses for me...
Flex mode? There is no flex mode on the X Fold. Only the Samsung have this.
Wireless charging is the biggest evil ever conceived... Slow, heating up the entire device...
Smaller battery? To my knowledge both have 4500mAh battery packs.
Anyway... Different people different needs... I like my X fold but xiaomi is xiaomi...
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You make me laugh so hard,why? Do you really own vivo x fold? No flex mode? Go to setting and search "flex" to see the result?You can do it on i video app and camera app.Your knowledge there both have 4500mah?Laughing again, pls do your research and comparison before saying anything.Have a nice day

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You make me laugh so hard,why? Do you really own vivo x fold? No flex mode? Go to setting and search "flex" to see the result?You can do it on i video app and camera app.Your knowledge there both have 4500mah?Laughing again, pls do your research and comparison before saying anything.Have a nice day
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Ok so there is a flex mode that is only supported by the vivo video player and netflix... Wow... This is why i have never seen it...
And the battery is 4600mAh on the vivo! A whole 100mAh more. That is almost 10 minutes more battery life
But yeah OK, it has those. We don't know what software will the Xiaomi have exactly so it might or might not have a flex mode... (Quite usesless for me personally but other people use it. I had Galaxy Fold 2 at one pointand did not use it there too)
Once again different people different use cases ...

With root and bootloader unlock I am extremely happy with the x fold. I can’t see myself jumping ship unless xiaomi / vivo does something special. Honestly I’m happy. Having said that xiaomi is a bit more developer friendly in some circumstances (not all). I guess it is try before you buy.

I have ordered the Xiaomi Mix Fold 2 and will update the thread when it arrives. It has an unlockable bootloader which will make rooting with Magisk straight forward, but be aware that it runs on MIUI 13.1 Fold firmware which is based on Android 12, not 12L. Xiaomi is working directly with app developers to create foldable tweaks. Xiaomi EU has confirmed they will not undertake a custom ROM for this device, as the CN firmware is unique to this single device and Xiaomi EU will not do one off projects. Also the good old Xiaomi dialing code that enables VoLTE on devices not supported by carrier SIM settings does not work on MIUI 13.1 firmware. I'm hoping that a Magisk module or editing the build.prop will solve that problem for me, as my carrier (Rogers Canada) won't support VoLTE for the device and thus when voice calls drop to 3G when travelling in the US I wouldn't be able to place phone calls.

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With root and bootloader unlock I am extremely happy with the x fold. I can’t see myself jumping ship unless xiaomi / vivo does something special. Honestly I’m happy. Having said that xiaomi is a bit more developer friendly in some circumstances (not all). I guess it is try before you buy.
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Can't agree more.
I too like how I have configured everything on my X Fold, especially with the launcher I use, but the Mix Fold 2 has some definite pluses too. I'll probably wait for a while to see how things go and some reviews and then decide...

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I have ordered the Xiaomi Mix Fold 2 and will update the thread when it arrives. It has an unlockable bootloader which will make rooting with Magisk straight forward, but be aware that it runs on MIUI 13.1 Fold firmware which is based on Android 12, not 12L. Xiaomi is working directly with app developers to create foldable tweaks. Xiaomi EU has confirmed they will not undertake a custom ROM for this device, as the CN firmware is unique to this single device and Xiaomi EU will not do one off projects. Also the good old Xiaomi dialing code that enables VoLTE on devices not supported by carrier SIM settings does not work on MIUI 13.1 firmware. I'm hoping that a Magisk module or editing the build.prop will solve that problem for me, as my carrier (Rogers Canada) won't support VoLTE for the device and thus when voice calls drop to 3G when travelling in the US I wouldn't be able to place phone calls.
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I will be eagerly waiting for your report on the device when you receive it.
Even if you post it in another thread, please drop a link here so we can see it.
Volte works here in the UK for the Vivo X Fold (I think... at least during a call I stay on 4G/5G, also have the HD Call icon) (WiFi call works also).

OrionBG said:
I will be eagerly waiting for your report on the device when you receive it.
Even if you post it in another thread, please drop a link here so we can see it.
Volte works here in the UK for the Vivo X Fold (I think... at least during a call I stay on 4G/5G, also have the HD Call icon) (WiFi call works also).
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Same actually. I was surprised I got it in America as well as Scotland.
It’s a shame Canada isn’t working

do u think mix fold 2 Chinese rom enable call record ? thanks

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Also the good old Xiaomi dialing code that enables VoLTE on devices not supported by carrier SIM settings does not work on MIUI 13.1 firmware
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This is false info, I confirmed it's working on Xiaomi MIX Fold 2 (MIUI 13.1).

Xiaomi MIX Fold 2's pros compared to vivo X Fold:
Lightweight and thin, I even feel it's lighter than Xiaomi 12S Ultra
High performance, it was avg. 59.9fps with Genshin highest quality
No punch hole
Creases are even less noticeable
VoLTE is enabled by default and force-enable command works
Touch latency of MIX Fold 2's inner screen is far better than vivo (and even normal flagships), it's 37.6ms where vivo was 56.7ms
Android smartphone Benchmark Charts; CPU, GPU, memory & storage performance, and touch latency - AndroPlus
Here's my benchmark results for each SoC and device. List of Benchmark Results AnTuTu benchmark is a popular Android benchmark app, but often falls victim
androplus.org
Cons:
No flex mode, cannot be fixed at any angle
vivo's camera is better especially at night
Wattage performance is a little poor in performance mode, maybe it's better on balanced mode
Easily heated, easily cooled
No punch hole camera, but illuminance sensor is visible in light reflection
How to enable Android Auto on Xiaomi MIUI Chinese ROM [Magisk] - AndroPlus
I created a Magisk module that solves the problem of not being able to use Android Auto with MIUI Chinese ROMs, etc. Need Android Auto app in /system
androplus.org

Thanks for this
Easier to root than vivo?

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Thanks for this
Easier to root than vivo?
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Yes, bootloader unlocking needs 168 hours to approval, but Xiaomi provides fastboot images so rooting is really easy.
You can even receive OTA after rooting.

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Yes, bootloader unlocking needs 168 hours to approval, but Xiaomi provides fastboot images so rooting is really easy.
You can even receive OTA after rooting.
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Ha that is easy!
The x fold is still rooted but the process took a lot. I wish it was more like xiaomi but I also wish more developers had this device for rom porting and the like

AndroPlus said:
Xiaomi MIX Fold 2's pros compared to vivo X Fold:
Lightweight and thin, I even feel it's lighter than Xiaomi 12S Ultra
High performance, it was avg. 59.9fps with Genshin highest quality
No punch hole
Creases are even less noticeable
VoLTE is enabled by default and force-enable command works
Cons:
No flex mode, cannot be fixed at any angle
Wattage performance is a little poor in performance mode, maybe it's better on balanced mode
Easily heated, easily cooled
No punch hole camera, but illuminance sensor is visible in light reflection
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So after looking at the Mix Fold 2, what do you think is the overall better device?
Which one would you prefer to use on a daily basis?
Also, how is the MIUI Fold interface compared to the very Chinese one of Vivo's Ocean OS?

will u check if mix fold 2 have call recording in call setting ?

Question Vivo x90 pro+ vs S23U

With the S23U released, has any of you seen a comparison between this and the pro+?
I am currently on the verge of importing an origin vivo in spite of the concerns voiced on this forum. At the end of the day, I want the best camera phone on the market and seems it's down to this and the S23U.
Samsung seems to have taken a different route to reducing noise in low light with that crazy 200mpx/pixel binning but got a feeling the bigger sensor will win. It seems to be a big improvement over the S22U though, and the highlight retainment/hdr in low light seems improved too. Question is how much better the Vivo is and whether it's worth the hassle of getting origin and the issues that come with it.
Has anyone of you had first hand experience with these 2 phones or seen reviews comparing the two? Perhaps it's too early days

Vivo all the way:
Better battery, biggest it doesn't mean better always (mine last 28-30 hours) with my use, (a lot camera, data, two facebooks, whastapp, telegram, signal, a lot of youtube and business apps like bank aps etc)
Better charging speeds (80w) and 50w wireless.
Better price (buy from aliexpress is like 1000$ or low)
Better cameras and sensors (all 4 of them)
Better low light photos and video
Better design
Vivo gives you charger, cable, and premium case.
Both are fast, there is no clear winner.

If you lucky there will be some review of the X90 Pro with comparison to S23U in english. You can hope for some Chinese reviews but even in China the X90 Pro+ is not that popular - there will be much more comparisons with Xiaomi 13 Pro.
It's rare that chinese only phones will be reviewed by quality review websites like notebookcheck or gsmarena. Though a review of the X90 Pro is quite likely after the huge advertisement campaign by Vivo and expensive laucnh events... Europe and US are not that likely to feature big events however with the Nokia vs BBK copyright claims. Something strangely rarely mentioned here.
Better battery life is clearly Samsung - many users reporting 10h Dot even on 4G/5G Data. Unherd of for X90 Pro+ (maybe X90 and X90 Pro could get close - they have much better idle drain/battery life).
Price in Europe is definitely in favour of S23U - which sells for 1169 for the 512GB version with warranty, with update policy that will end in 5 years not maybe in 2 years (older Vivo flagships X flagships - only the Funtouch X versions have 3 major updates promised and updates are already running late - no January securiy patch for X90 Pro+ even on trial channel). Yeah no charger but any PD charger works full speed, vs 18w on X90 Pro+.
It's too early to call out the cameras - I feel both aren't top. But Samsung bags Video easily and over 10x zoom. Vivo will likely win 3.5-9x zoom range.
Gorilla Glas Victus 2 vs unknown (likely Schott)
Bootloader Unlock/Root and after updates are over in 5 years likely Lineage OS and others to continue vs crippled software.
Accessibiltiy to Samsung shops for battery replacement in 2-3 years of time - vs unlikely to be able to get any authentic new batteries for the X90 Pro+ outside of China (and looking at the reports on here on older Vivo phones - batteries don't seem to age very well on Vivo flagships)
Android Backup/Auto/Assistant/Maps Timeline and maybe in future more (this list got bigger every 2 years)
The only points that clearly speak vor Vivo are the fingerprint reader and yeah I personally prefer the design too on the Vivo. Though I don't know how well the Vegan leather ages. Some conflicting reports here. And yeah fast charging on original charger with original cable (missing either means slower than Samsung)
Display is identical, processor mainly just a newer batch (but that means lower voltages in general)
Front Camera goes Samsung all the way. Vivo has a midtier phone grade front camera and only 1080P video on the front camera as the sensor does not support 4K/UHD (1440P woudl be possible by third party apps - but none offers that yet. The sensor does support it).
I feel v2 is a joke - seeing that I mainly use Gcam (which cannot use the v2 chip). 8gen2 ISP would be sufficient as I don't see what the v2 brings at all.
Both have much worse colours than Pixel/Iphone in my opinion. Both show great detail at night but that isn't everything. Both have big shutter lag but Samsung at least got the autofocus right (on all cameras and not missing on 2 out of 5) and the autofocus working accurately (while that is not true for the main sensor on Vivo).
Yeah portrait may be better on Vivo 2x camera - but ONLY for typical upper body portrait. If you do full body portrait with the body at 2/3 of the picture size or less - the 2x sensor without autofocus isn't very sharp anymore. Falling back to main sensor is not possible in portrait mode on the Vivo stock camera...
Vivo X90 Pro+ only has Qualcom Fastconnect 6900 vs 7800 on the S23u (meaning no wifi-7, maybe not even wifi-6e, so far no one could confirm it to work! and missing the newest bluetooth LE additions)
S23U got Qualcom X70 modem - unsure what Vivo uses (either botched firmware on X70 or is it x65 or is it a chinese modem?)
Software in general is miles better on Samsung and less buggy. Yeah Vivo is fluid but Samsung too.
I much rather trust Samsung to fix the software deficiencies it has (mainly on camera - everything else seams great) vs Vivo (which has many many fields to catch up - and some like anything google related will not improve except google goes back on offering full support for it's app that aren't system apps. However with EU/USA and so on pressuring google to allow manufacturers to supply phones without google apps as system apps, that strategy will likely widen in future - as it's an indirect pressure point to include maps, assistant and so on as system app - which is impossible for Chinese market phones if China doesn't allow google which is highly unlikely in the next years).
The 2x sensor on the Vivo would be useless if the 1x sensor had variable aperture (because the 2x sensor has only bokeeh that speaks for it, low light/resolution/autofocus and basically everything else are worse vs a crop from the main)
The case on the x90 is a nice plus, but I don't trust cases without air cushion and camera protection - so I don't really see the use for it. If you feel safe enough with that tiny case - you should feel safe enough without any case.
Gcam support will be much better on S23U as there will surely be nice profiles for color/noise while on X90 Pro+ you are left with dubious colours at night on gcams.
If the X90 Pro+ had bootloader unlock and root - some issures would be fixable (like google apps) and if lucky once Vivo stops updates there could be some Lineage OS support. Vivo that way kinda steels the only way for long term life of that phone.

Oh yeah - when it comes to Camera2 API (according to Proshoot Evaluator) - Vivos advantage is HEIC, Samsungs advantage is vendor extensions of bokeeh, HDR, beauty mode and night mode vs none on the x90 pro+.
And sadly on camera2 api 1440P video isn't offered so it's only 1080P30 vs 4k24/30 on the Samsung....
Vivo has 4k video on the 3.5x via camera2while Samsung only has 1080P30 on both zoom lenses.
Both don't have 4k60P on camera2 !
Both only offer pixel binned resolutions via camera2api so are both quite restricted.

Kenshin1870 said:
Vivo all the way:
Better battery, biggest it doesn't mean better always (mine last 28-30 hours) with my use, (a lot camera, data, two facebooks, whastapp, telegram, signal, a lot of youtube and business apps like bank aps etc)
Better charging speeds (80w) and 50w wireless.
Better price (buy from aliexpress is like 1000$ or low)
Better cameras and sensors (all 4 of them)
Better low light photos and video
Better design
Vivo gives you charger, cable, and premium case.
Both are fast, there is no clear winner.
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Have you had any autofocus issues as pointed out in the response above?

vendetta17 said:
Every single member of vivo x90 pro plus xda knows you are trolling . You are stating ' issues' that all the phone holders told you they dont exist . Starting with battery , going to camera , than from internal modems to OS related issues that ONLY you reported out of at least 10 holders here . Those are the real facts . You would normally be banned right now from other forums . Respect to the xda admins for being that patient with you .
And by the way , if you write extremely long texts speaking nonsense ... You dont bring any value at all . At first every single point you got about this phone its negative . Criticism would not be a problem as long as its constructive and positive but the main problem its lying . And you did this several times here .
Who's old here knows you are trolling . Who's new here definately notices immediately that you live on a different planet than earth .
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So vivo has no bl unlock? Thats mean rarely update come?

Bl unlock doesn't mean anything about update frequency. But with official unlock (not unlock via Potential security bug) most popular phones will have a custom ROM community providing updates for a long time, while with without you are at mercy of the manufacturer. Just look up the update threads about older flagships like 50pro+ or 70pro+ to see how likely updates are on 90pro+. Does not look good to me.. . Vivo's update policy is only for international market. Right now X90 even with trial version is stuck on December security patches. S23U will receive February patches on 17 February (it's not officially available until then - strange release by Samsung this time)
I proved all my facts somewhere here before with screenshots or sources (or Link to fast connect 7800 at Qualcomm which states WiFi 7 compatibility which isn't advertised for X90 pro+. Not even WiFi 6e (though it could be possible it's supported but just not advertised in specs).
I reported vendetta17 now for breaking points 2.3 and 2.4 of the forum rules. He accuses me of lying without being able to prove a single lie.
And I posted positive points, quite a lot. This is one of the best cameras on a smartphone. I think even better than place 10 as dxomark indicates as their protocol doesn't value secondary lenses much. I see it as top 6 or 7 right now even for point and shoot. If you shoot RAW only and need huge prints then it's even the best (but I feel apple workflow with RAW is much easier, also s23U has better workflow with RAW as Lightroom comes already pre-installed but quality wise X90 Pro+ is better). Seeing basically very little mention of RAW and super RAW in relation to the X90 pro+ makes me feel professional photographers avoid Vivo phones no matter how much Vivo touts professional photography at it's press releases. Samsung or apple or google forums on the contrary are full with questions or remarks on RAW and comparisons to the jpg output.
If the X90 pro+ would be half price of s23U, iphone 14 pro max then I would praise it too. If it was even just the price of Pixel 7 pro and would have the same update policy I would recommend it all out. At current prices without any update policy and seeing that x50 Pro+ basically stopped getting updates after 2.5 years, and other Vivo x series being neglected after only a year I don't see it recommendable. It was the first phone with 8gen2 and vivo paid for that exclusive right to Qualcomm. It's not comparable to mate 20 pro or p30 Pro which were albeit slower updates great phones and aged well at cheaper price than other flagships back then. Yes right on hardware it looks great, just like s23U too, but not software.....

Mrxyzl said:
So vivo has no bl unlock? Thats mean rarely update come?
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You cant unlock bootloader yet .
Mrxyzl said:
So vivo has no bl unlock? Thats mean rarely update come?
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No bootloader unlock yet . If you talk about updates , i got 4 of them in about 40 days .

vendetta17 said:
You cant unlock bootloader yet .
No bootloader unlock yet . If you talk about updates , i got 4 of them in about 40 days .
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What version are you on then ? I know only of 3 updates... (not counting the last trial version)...

13.0.18.3 is the latest one I believe.

jericho246 said:
13.0.18.3 is the latest one I believe.
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Latest official ? A week ago I heard this version was release as trial version. I just checked but 13.0.18.2 is the last version for me...

Vinzie said:
Latest official ? A week ago I heard this version was release as trial version. I just checked but 13.0.18.2 is the last version for me...
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I got it earlier today in official update channel. Not trial.

BTW - eSim is also missing from the X90 Pro+, S23U has dual physical SIM plus 1 Esim support. Dual Active, Tripple Standby. There is no dual e-sim on the S23U however so far (unlike Pixel 7 which now has dual e-sim plus 1 physical SIM. Not sure if tripple standby is supported by Pixel however).
Only Xiaomi 13 Pro so far has Wifi-7 (though not yet enabled because it's draft). X70 modem phones maybe in the future could get wifi 7 enabled - but if the X90 Pro+ has no Wifi-6e - then it's very unlikely it has X70 modem after all.

extremecarver said:
If the X90 Pro+ had bootloader unlock and root
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Yes, but is there confirmation users can unlock the S23 Ultra's BL out of the box? I've had no end of trouble rooting my Note 10+ 5G over the almost three years I've owned it, so using an unrooted Vivo won't be that much of a biggie.

Iluminatus23 said:
Extremecaver has to much time....
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Please explain how a person can "much" time...
if you believe Extremecaver has to do that.
It's TOO much time!

Well it's assumed to be the same process as on any other Samsung phone. Root is not the same as unlock! On my S7 and S8+ this was very easy. Root can be trouble with banking apps and so on. Bootloader unlock was super easy (yeah you void warranty on Samsung by rooting because of the e-fuse it will be forever but unlike Vivo no need for all that to get google apps fully working)

djshotty said:
Yes, but is there confirmation users can unlock the S23 Ultra's BL out of the box? I've had no end of trouble rooting my Note 10+ 5G over the almost three years I've owned it, so using an unrooted Vivo won't be that much of a biggie.
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Triggering Knox is the worst part with every Samsung ever. Such a crap system

P6P said:
Triggering Knox is the worst part with every Samsung ever. Such a crap system
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Well it's much better than outright not offering bootloader unlock. I find it's a great system - brick your phone by software - Samsung isn't responsible anymore. I'm pretty sure if the phone still boots but doesn't charge anymore or camera dropout Knox will not be important - but I do not know for sure.
The other way but that is more complicated to remove warranty for rooted devices would be to simply hand out unlock codes in your device account and giving you a warning about losing warranty that way.
I find it's understandable manufacturers do not like to warranty rooted/unlocked devices due to the high chance of someone bricking their device in the process. It's giving the user a choice (and after 1 or 2 years depending on the manufacturer it's end of warranty anyhow).

Vivo also has some kind of efuse or check system. Portrait mode did not work anymore after unlocking the bootloader / changing firmware on my x70 Pro Plus, even after reverting to stock completely.
But it doesnt matter, since we wont see another exploit for the Vivo. Waited a long time to decide between S23 Ultra / x90 Pro / x90 Pro Plus and with Vivo's price policy for the international model I definitely wont go for the x90 Pro. Software support and official availability in the west are deciding factors here.
If you want to judge vivo's dedication to the western market you just need to follow a phones announcement.
Website with a countdown that ran until 0:00:00, then nothing happened. Website still displays NaN-Timer and there has been absolute silence from vivo on when the global version is available and how much it will cost.

Killuminati91 said:
Vivo also has some kind of efuse or check system. Portrait mode did not work anymore after unlocking the bootloader / changing firmware on my x70 Pro Plus, even after reverting to stock completely.
But it doesnt matter, since we wont see another exploit for the Vivo. Waited a long time to decide between S23 Ultra / x90 Pro / x90 Pro Plus and with Vivo's price policy for the international model I definitely wont go for the x90 Pro. Software support and official availability in the west are deciding factors here.
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Didn't know about vivo has a efuse or check system. But when it's really there its also crap.