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How to deactivate RCS service / Rich Communication on XZ1 compact?

Hi all,
after updating to 47.1.A.8.49 my XZ1 compact (german firmware, retail) keeps on consuming like 8% battery on RCS.
I already disabled VoLTE and Wifi-Calling but it did not help.
I read that normally there should be an option to deactivate Rich Communication in the Messages App, but I can't find any there.
(I know it should help to deactivate/deinstall the Messages App, but I would like to keep receiving SMS, I only do not need the "chat" feature of RCS.)
Anyone knows how I can deactivate RCS?
best wishes
nospherato

nospherato said:
Hi all,
after updating to 47.1.A.8.49 my XZ1 compact (german firmware, retail) keeps on consuming like 8% battery on RCS.
I already disabled VoLTE and Wifi-Calling but it did not help.
I read that normally there should be an option to deactivate Rich Communication in the Messages App, but I can't find any there.
(I know it should help to deactivate/deinstall the Messages App, but I would like to keep receiving SMS, I only do not need the "chat" feature of RCS.)
Anyone knows how I can deactivate RCS?
best wishes
nospherato
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If you have ADB set up on your laptop/desktop it would be easy.
ADB Shell
pm list packages ?
pm uninstall --user 0 "package name goes here"
Sorry, I am not at home with my machine in front of me, so I can't tell you what the package name is.
I also have had big battery drain since the 8.49 update. If you're in the uninstalling mood, removing 'home network' made a difference to battery life, as did removing 'Find My Device' from admin apps.
To remove home network, look for a package called 'com.sony.android.dnla', or something similar, sorry not in front of my machine to check.

RCS isn't actually the problem. It's a bug in Oreo. Android System is sometimes showing up as RCS or Phone in the battery stats or monitoring apps. So disabling RCS won't actually help you.

@Didgesteve
Thanks for your post. As I do not use "find my device" I removed it after your post. I don't really know if it got the battery usage better, but well.. I didn't use it before, so why keep it in admin apps
Do I really need to remove the dnla package to save battery? (It's deactivated anyway in my settings)
@jrbmed08
Thank you, too. I once thought I have seen exactly this: After a reboot the x% usage were shown as Android System; after 1-2min it said RCS.

nospherato said:
@Didgesteve
Thanks for your post. As I do not use "find my device" I removed it after your post. I don't really know if it got the battery usage better, but well.. I didn't use it before, so why keep it in admin apps
Do I really need to remove the dnla package to save battery? (It's deactivated anyway in my settings)
@jrbmed08
Thank you, too. I once thought I have seen exactly this: After a reboot the x% usage were shown as Android System; after 1-2min it said RCS.
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I don't think there's any one thing that will miraculously change your battery usage, it's the unwritten scripture that drives all us modders and obsessive fiddlers to keep trying to improve.
But if you are into tweaking for the better, the new Google Play services beta did seems to make a small difference.
Download from APK mirror and update.

nospherato said:
Hi all,
after updating to 47.1.A.8.49 my XZ1 compact (german firmware, retail) keeps on consuming like 8% battery on RCS.
I already disabled VoLTE and Wifi-Calling but it did not help.
I read that normally there should be an option to deactivate Rich Communication in the Messages App, but I can't find any there.
(I know it should help to deactivate/deinstall the Messages App, but I would like to keep receiving SMS, I only do not need the "chat" feature of RCS.)
Anyone knows how I can deactivate RCS?
best wishes
nospherato
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I did some digging with your tip about RCS. When I first got this phone I was getting almost 4 days on one charge (I'm not a heavy user), but I thought it was a bit strange that since November I have had much worse battery. I put it down to the new firmware, perhaps 8.49 was much more thirsty. Aparently, since November, Google have activated RCSService, I keep seeing this coming up my battery usage charts, next to Carrier Service, using more battery than bluetooth and I do 2 hours of bluetooth music a day. I never saw it before, suddenly it's on all the time, using batrery and data.
Turning on the 'background data only' makes no difference, likewise 'background activity'
So the intention here is to stop and disable carrier services and disable RCSService (it's impossible to stop or uninstall).
adb shell
pm disable --user 13 com.gsm.service.rcs
pm disable --user 13 com.google.ims
pm disable --user 13 com.android.service.ims.rcsservice
pm disable --user 13 com.android.ims.rscmanager
pm uninstall -k --user 0 com.qualcomm.qti.uceShimService
To find which is your elevated user
pm list users
and pick the higher user number
The offending package is called com.qualcomm.qti.uceshimservice.
My battery usage has never been so good, I've gone from 2 days to almost 4.
But, there are consequences, I don't get a 'delivered' notice on my SMS anymore and perhaps this rolls over to other messanger apps. I've tested Whatsapp and Telegram, eveything apears to be ok.
I might be doing something awful to the messanger and it would be great if someone could tell me what I've done, but so far I can live with it if I get my amazing battery back.
It could be to undo disabling the services you need to factory reset your phone, just sayin.
Edit: my fault if you were having problems copy/pasting these as I had not put a space inbetween User & 13. I have corrected it now, so copy/paste should work.

Sorry, I can not tell you what you did there, but what I can tell you is that on my device none of these packages exist (yes my id is also 13):
1|G8441:/ $ pm disable --user13 com.gsm.service.rcs
Error: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Unknown package: com.gsm.service.rcs
1|G8441:/ $ pm disable --user13 com.google.ims
Error: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Unknown package: com.google.ims
1|G8441:/ $ pm disable --user13 com.android.service.ims.rcsservice
Error: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Unknown package: com.android.service.ims.rcsservice
1|G8441:/ $ pm disable --user13 com.android.ims.rscmanager
Error: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Unknown package: com.android.ims.rscmanager
The qualcomm package exists, but as you said: No way to disable it...
package:com.qualcomm.qti.uceShimService
There is also a
package:com.google.android.ims
there, but like the qualcomm one, you can not disable this one, too.
My workaround at the moment is just to let the phone disable wifi in standby. This way I get like 4-5 days standby (+just a little bit usage).

pm uninstall -k --user 0 com.qualcomm.qti.uceShimService
did the trick @Didgesteve
This is working for weeks now.

nospherato said:
Sorry, I can not tell you what you did there, but what I can tell you is that on my device none of these packages exist (yes my id is also 13):
1|G8441:/ $ pm disable --user13 com.gsm.service.rcs
Error: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Unknown package: com.gsm.service.rcs
1|G8441:/ $ pm disable --user13 com.google.ims
Error: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Unknown package: com.google.ims
1|G8441:/ $ pm disable --user13 com.android.service.ims.rcsservice
Error: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Unknown package: com.android.service.ims.rcsservice
1|G8441:/ $ pm disable --user13 com.android.ims.rscmanager
Error: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Unknown package: com.android.ims.rscmanager
The qualcomm package exists, but as you said: No way to disable it...
package:com.qualcomm.qti.uceShimService
There is also a
package:com.google.android.ims
there, but like the qualcomm one, you can not disable this one, too.
My workaround at the moment is just to let the phone disable wifi in standby. This way I get like 4-5 days standby (+just a little bit usage).
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Hmm, it worked for me, each line comes back 'Package "package name" new state: disabled'
I'm not sure that user 13 necessarily exists on other phones. You have to see what number your elevated user is and use that.

I checked the users before I used the commands, my user has also id 13, nur even of I do not use this option the return message is the same...
@shaftenberg
If I would deinstall the package and would need it later, how would I reinstall it?

I checked the users before I used the commands, my user has also id 13, but even if I do not use this option the return message is the same...
@shaftenberg
If I would deinstall the package and would need it later, how would I reinstall it?

with install

shaftenberg said:
pm uninstall -k --user 0 com.qualcomm.qti.uceShimService.
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It won't let you uninstall, it's a system file. You need elevated access.
nospherato said:
I checked the users before I used the commands, my user has also id 13, nur even of I do not use this option the return message is the same...
@shaftenberg
If I would deinstall the package and would need it later, how would I reinstall it?
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Are you using ADB shell from a command prompt on a PC, or an emulator on the phone?

Hi, I tested it too.
I got the same results as in #7.
I got my Packages with "pm list packages ?" copied it into notepad and searched for the rcs packages, found nothing.
This Package I haven't too: package:com.qualcomm.qti.uceShimService
The Result for "pm list users" is:
UserInfo{0:...:13} running
... shows my real name.
I'm using FW DE 8.49.
Best regards, mates.

@Didgesteve
I did my commands via ADB. It showed my user correctly and his ID.
Like Raz0Rfail I also copied the complete list into notepad and searched for the packages. Didn't find them there, too.
(Just the qualcomm one as mentioned. Also using FW DE 8.49)

@Didgesteve
I did my commands via ADB. It showed my user correctly and his ID.
Like Raz0Rfail I also copied the complete list into notepad and searched for the packages. Didn't find them there, too.
(Just the qualcomm one as mentioned. Also using FW DE 8.49)
@shaftenberg
Ahh okay, thanks
I thought I would need to download the install package or something like this. (Because uninstall would really "wipe" the package.)

Perhaps I need to check my spelling, but here is the results I got.
I did RCSService twice by mistake, but otherwise, they all show as disabled.

All,
You should be aware that the RCS and IMS services are required for VoLTE and VoWiFi.
So if you have disabled them, your VoLTE will not work.
I'll repeat my statement from here, that:
IMS is the "IP Multimedia Subsystem" and is used as the framework for telephony over IP based data connections. That's essentially what VoLTE is: VOIP for mobile phones.
I'll also note that RCS is the "Rich Communication Services" and is the successor to SMS and is essentially an extension of SMS and MMS as better described here.
So you're probably guaranteed to be breaking some advanced SMS/MMS features by disabling RCS services.

Yes, only I don't use VoLTE or VoWifi, and also my carrier does not really support RCS features... So in my case it's only extra battery usage for features I don't need or use

pbarrette said:
So you're probably guaranteed to be breaking some advanced SMS/MMS features by disabling RCS services.
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Yes @pbarrette , you're right. But I have looked into this. I'm not suggesting that everyone starts deleting random system files on their phone.
Carrier services was rolled out by Google to try and claw back some of the market share of the messaging market.
It theory it brings group messaging, bigger pictures, read receipts and of course emojis to SMS.
Google realised that they were losing to the likes of Whatsapp and Telegram, but as usual it's too little too late.
I don't use group SMS messaging. Group messaging belongs in Whatsapp, obviously. I don't use emojis in texts. If I lose read receipts to claim back 20% battery, then that's a hardship I'll suffer.
I'm not sure what happened to the November update of carrier services, but I'm not alone in noticing HUGE battery drain from an app that I didn't ask for and don't want.
I've explained their might be risks, but for me, removing these services has made no difference to my SMS use and my battery is lasting longer. I'm just saying it like it is.

[Guide] Vivo 1804 | Mods, Tips & Tricks | Pro Setup (Without Root Access)

[Guide] Vivo 1804 | Phone Setup | Mods & Tricks | Pro Setup​
With the Vivo 1804 / Funtouch OS there is no search option in the settings so often finding the best settings is often difficult.
I recommend the below mods/tricks to set up this device before you start using this as your daily driver :good:
1. Full Screen Mode
Settings > Display & Brightness > Third Party app display ratio
Select all apps like video players, YouTube etc to make the most of your screen (By default they don't go full screen)
2. Set Default App Settings
Settings > More Settings > Permission Settings > Default App Settings
Select your preferred apps as default apps
3. Gestures
Settings > Smart Motion > Smart Turn on/off screen
4. Smart Click
Settings > Smart Click > Turn on/off flashlight
5. Flash Light Notification (Optional)
Settings > More Settings > Flash Light Notifications
6. How to take a Screenshot
Vol Down + Power or Three finger swipe
7. Disable System Apps via ADB:
The device does shave some bloatware which i was unable to uninstall without root access, thus i used the ADB commands to disable those apps and stop them from running in the background.
You need to enable USB Debugging before you proceed further, to do so:
Settings > More Settings > About Phone > Click on Software Version 7 Times to enable Developer Options
Go Back and scroll to the bottom under More Settings you will find Developer Options
Developer Options > Enable USB Debugging, and continue if you wish to disable system apps/bloatware :good:
I uninstalled the following as per my personal taste:
1. Default Launcher | Package Name: 'com.bbk.launcher2'
I use Nova as my preferred launcher so i removed the default launcher. You can still keep both if you want to and mark Nova as default. Make sure if you install any third party launcher before your remove the default launcher :good:
2. Vivo Browser | Package Name: 'com.vivo.browser'
I prefer Chrome over the stock browser so removed it
3. Vivo Email: | Package Name: 'com.vivo.email'
Prefer Gmail over any other email client so removed it
4. YouTube: | Package Name: 'com.google.android.youtube'
I use YouTube Vanced instead of stock Youtube due to adds and it offers a non rooted version which can simply be installed as an apk.
Find the latest version here & MicroG to be installed for login.
Follow the XDA Thread
5. Google Music | Package Name: 'com.google.android.music'
I use Poweramp as my preferred music player and Apple music as online streaming player so removed it
6. Play Movies | Package Name: 'com.google.android.videos'
Use Netflix / Amazon Video as preferred movie player so removed it
7. Touchpal Keyboard | Package Name: 'com.emoji.keyboard.touchpal.vivo'
Use SwiftKey as my preferred keyboard since many years so removed the default keyboard.
Code:
Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.17134.286]
(c) 2018 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
C:\WINDOWS\system32>adb devices
List of devices attached
XXXXXXX device
C:\WINDOWS\system32>adb shell
1804:/ $ pm uninstall -k --user 0 'com.bbk.launcher2'
pm uninstall -k --user 0 'com.bbk.launcher2'
Success
1804:/ $ pm uninstall -k --user 0 'com.vivo.browser'
pm uninstall -k --user 0 'com.vivo.browser'
Success
1804:/ $ pm uninstall -k --user 0 'com.vivo.email'
pm uninstall -k --user 0 'com.vivo.email'
Success
1804:/ $ pm uninstall -k --user 0 'com.google.android.youtube'
pm uninstall -k --user 0 'com.google.android.youtube'
Success
1804:/ $ pm uninstall -k --user 0 'com.google.android.music'
pm uninstall -k --user 0 'com.google.android.music'
Success
1804:/ $ pm uninstall -k --user 0 'com.google.android.videos’
pm uninstall -k --user 0 'com.google.android.videos'
Success
1804:/ $ pm uninstall -k --user 0 'com.emoji.keyboard.touchpal.vivo'
pm uninstall -k --user 0 'com.emoji.keyboard.touchpal.vivo'
Success
1804:/ $ exit
Exit
C:\WINDOWS\system32>adb reboot
C:\WINDOWS\system32>
If you wish to check the list of packages you can do the below command, say for example if i need to check all the packages installed under bbk i will do
Code:
1804:/ $ pm list packages | grep 'bbk'
Response:
Code:
pm list packages | grep 'bbk'
package:com.android.bbkmusic
package:com.bbk.updater
package:com.android.bbkcalculator
package:com.bbk.cloud
package:com.bbk.theme
package:com.bbk.calendar
package:com.bbk.photoframewidget
package:com.bbk.iqoo.logsystem
package:com.bbk.facewake
package:com.android.bbklog
package:com.bbk.launcher2
package:com.android.bbk.lockscreen3
package:com.bbk.theme.resources
package:com.bbk.scene.indoor
package:com.bbk.SuperPowerSave
package:com.android.bbksoundrecorder
package:com.bbk.account
PS: A Factory Reset will restore all disabled/uninstalled apps so there is no need to worry if you mess it up :laugh:
I shall keep adding more tips as i get more time with this device :fingers-crossed:
Thank you for your time :highfive:

Tips, Tricks & Hidden Settings (Updated 10 Oct 2018)
1. Allow Apps to AutoStart & Run in the Background
Funtouch OS Kills most apps in the background in order to achieve better battery life and you would often find yourself missing notifications from your apps like whatsapp, telegram, instagram, twitter etc. You have to allow them to Autostart & Whitelist them/Allow to run in the background if you want to receive timely notifications. To do so follow the below:
* Settings > More Settings > Permission Management > Autostart (Select your preferred apps)
* Settings > Battery > High Background Power Consumption > Select apps
Allow the apps to continue running in the background so keep receiving notifications instantly.
I recommend most social media apps and messenger apps like Whatsapp, Telegram, Instagram, Twitter along with your Widgets and any other applications that are important for you to keep active.
2. Install & Enable GSam Battery Monitor: For complete battery stats i recommend GSam Battery Monitor
You can enable the complete access via ADB
Code:
Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.17134.286]
(c) 2018 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
C:\WINDOWS\system32>adb devices
List of devices attached
XXXXXXX device
C:\WINDOWS\system32>adb shell
1804:/ $ pm grant com.gsamlabs.bbm.pro android.permission.BATTERY_STATS
pm grant com.gsamlabs.bbm.pro android.permission.BATTERY_STATS
1804:/ $ exit
Exit
C:\WINDOWS\system32>adb reboot
C:\WINDOWS\system32>
3. Remove the Developer Options Red Banner when activated | Credits to @ruk21201
Most of us like to tickle with the Developer options which can be activated under:
Settings > More Settings > About Phone > Click 7 times on Software Version > Back to More Settings > Scroll at the Bottom and you would now have Developer Options.
Now the moment you activate Developer Options there is a Red Banner Displayed on the Status bar which does not go away unless you close developer options. Thus to remove the Red banner follow the below:
Settings > More Settings > App Manager > More > Show System Processes > Scroll Down to Vivo Services > Storage > Clear Data
The Red Banner would now be gone and you are free to tickle around with the device.
*Upon restart the red banner would appear again so repeat the process whenever you restart.
Settings to be activated inside developer options:
1. Enable USB Debugging
2. Edit Animation Scale to 0.5 (Window, Transition & Animator) to make device feel more snappy.
3. Force Activities to be Resizable if you do a lot of multi tasking.

Awesome guide. Thnx a lot. :angel:

mahanmantare said:
Awesome guide. Thnx a lot. :angel:
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Welcome buddy, ill keep adding more tricks as i get more time. Thank you for your support :good:

New OTA is up

Optimizations and other bug fixes :good:

Can you feel the difference ? request you to share some of your feedback.
---------- Post added at 08:46 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:54 AM ----------
Just updated it & i must say Face uncloking got so much better. fast and responsive.
The camera also got very fast in recognising faces.
Great update

About root
Please please guy tell me: is there a way to root that device!? I tried kingoroot and kingRoot and both aren't working for me. Please tell me if there is a solution or if there is someone working on it? Using that phone without root is useless

Can you help me Wizard
I want to downgrade google play services from latest version to 12.6.85. i have uninstalled latest version and trying to install 12.6.85 version but it is not installing and showing app not installed message. It is working fine on all other latest mobiles like one plus 6 and Oppo realme 2.
Can you please hep me regarding this.

kolkili said:
Please please guy tell me: is there a way to root that device!? I tried kingoroot and kingRoot and both aren't working for me. Please tell me if there is a solution or if there is someone working on it? Using that phone without root is useless
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I have not come accross any twrp recovery image for V11 pro as its not supported by the official twrp project yet thus I don't think there is a way to root it as yet.
I've bought this device as a secondary device so I keep it locked on factory state to be able to do Ota's.
What issues are you facing to use it without root if you can elaborate as the stock device works well for me.

lazyhunk said:
I want to downgrade google play services from latest version to 12.6.85. i have uninstalled latest version and trying to install 12.6.85 version but it is not installing and showing app not installed message. It is working fine on all other latest mobiles like one plus 6 and Oppo realme 2.
Can you please hep me regarding this.
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Hey buddy, although i am not in the favor of spoofing your location for games or any other reason but that's your personal preference.
You can try below:
1. Google Playstore > Settings > Do not auto update apps
2. Settings > More Settings > Accessibility > Turn off auto update for System apps.
3. Settings > Security & Privacy > More Security Settings > Device Manager > Deactivate Find My Device as Device Administrator
4. Settings > Security & Privacy > More Security Settings > Turn off Google Play Protect & Find My Device
5. Settings > More Settings > App Manager > Google Play Services > Clear Cache/Data & Uninstall Updates
6. Download & Install your preferred Play Services version from apk mirror for correct device architecture arm64
7. Reboot the device after installation
Let me know if that works :good:

Funk Wizard said:
I have not come accross any twrp recovery image for V11 pro as its not supported by the official twrp project yet thus I don't think there is a way to root it as yet.
I've bought this device as a secondary device so I keep it locked on factory state to be able to do Ota's.
What issues are you facing to use it without root if you can elaborate as the stock device works well for me.
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HI sir,
Thank you for your answer. The thing is I've been using android for like 7years now..(en en though I am an IOS dev lol) And all my phones were rooted. I used to install some app that require root ( my favorite is SD maid pro). So I have a weird feeling when my device is not rooted..... (I don't know how to explain it... It's like you take away a baby's favorite activity /toy)
As far as my experience goes with the phone. I love the battery life, it's awesome and the OS is good (if you have time to tweak it a little bit, cause there is a lot of hidden options: An exemple will the the way to control the music player when the screen is off. There is an option for that hidden far in the settings under "smart motion - > smart wake" )
The launcher in the other hand sucks.... I didn't like it that much so I bought Nova launcher pro and I did set it up as my default launcher and tweaked it a lil bit. Now I'm feeling awesome.
As for the fingerprint, it's not accurate and fails because of the screen protector that came already placed on the device. I removed it and re-scanned all my fingers and it's really fast now
Multi-tasking is good but some important app gets killed fast. So you need to tweak again the battery settings so that some app do not get killed on the background
Ow eu.. I also bought the Find X from OPPO. And I must say that Vivo's Os is far better from the find X... The find X will drive you crazy...like for exemple to send a simple sms you need to create an account... Wtf.... It's just a waste of money,really had a bad experience.....
So yeah Vivo v11 pro is a good phone(1000times better than the find X) , if you have the time to search and tweak it cause the default settings sucks.
Is there any person I need to follow to keep up with a possible release of an twrp? (I mean if it is ever going to be released one day cause I'm loosing hope )

kolkili said:
HI sir,
Thank you for your answer. The thing is I've been using android for like 7years now..(en en though I am an IOS dev lol) And all my phones were rooted. I used to install some app that require root ( my favorite is SD maid pro). So I have a weird feeling when my device is not rooted..... (I don't know how to explain it... It's like you take away a baby's favorite activity /toy)
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Hey buddy, thank you for your reply and good to see you around. I can understand the edge to root the device as i do the same with my android devices but i bought this device knowing that there is going to be no development and to be used as a secondary device only.
kolkili said:
As far as my experience goes with the phone. I love the battery life, it's awesome and the OS is good (if you have time to tweak it a little bit, cause there is a lot of hidden options: An exemple will the the way to control the music player when the screen is off. There is an option for that hidden far in the settings under "smart motion - > smart wake" )
The launcher in the other hand sucks.... I didn't like it that much so I bought Nova launcher pro and I did set it up as my default launcher and tweaked it a lil bit. Now I'm feeling awesome.
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I agree on the battery life, SD660 works more efficiently than the flagships 835/845 for my testing and usage and thus better battery life and yes lot of settings are hidden which i've already shared on this thread. I always use Nova on all my setups so that's the first thing i install and restore my setup from the previous device.
kolkili said:
As for the fingerprint, it's not accurate and fails because of the screen protector that came already placed on the device. I removed it and re-scanned all my fingers and it's really fast now
Multi-tasking is good but some important app gets killed fast. So you need to tweak again the battery settings so that some app do not get killed on the background
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For the Finger Print unlock you can club it with Face unlock to make it quick and it will wake up the screen. You can also club it with double tap to wake or raise to wake for the idle unlock when the sitting on the table or a flat surface. As far the app killing is concerned both Vivo/Oppo do it aggressively so as discussed on the thread you need to do the additional auto startup setting and allow high background power consumption in order to let the apps stay in the memory and receive timely notifications.
kolkili said:
Ow eu.. I also bought the Find X from OPPO. And I must say that Vivo's Os is far better from the find X... The find X will drive you crazy...like for exemple to send a simple sms you need to create an account... Wtf.... It's just a waste of money,really had a bad experience.....
So yeah Vivo v11 pro is a good phone(1000times better than the find X) , if you have the time to search and tweak it cause the default settings sucks.
Is there any person I need to follow to keep up with a possible release of an twrp? (I mean if it is ever going to be released one day cause I'm loosing hope )
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I felt the same for Find X when i got it and i returned the device within a week due to poor user experience.
Unfortunately the development is really bad when it comes Vivo/Oppo devices as they dont release the sources and neither give development devices away to the community to support development unlike OnePlus which actually does all this to its strength.
You can contact the official TWRP TeamWin over G+ and check for support if atall for this device. Dont expect much is what i can say at this point of time.
If you need the best development support i can recommend OnePlus/Pixel or even Poco F1 for that matter :good:
Ill see you around :highfive:

OP & Tricks updated with Battery Monitor Tips & Auto Start Options !
Checkout this post for details
I will keep adding more

Funk Wizard said:
I felt the same for Find X when i got it and i returned the device within a week due to poor user experience.
Unfortunately the development is really bad when it comes Vivo/Oppo devices as they dont release the sources and neither give development devices away to the community to support development unlike OnePlus which actually does all this to its strength.
You can contact the official TWRP TeamWin over G+ and check for support if atall for this device. Dont expect much is what i can say at this point of time.
If you need the best development support i can recommend OnePlus/Pixel or even Poco F1 for that matter :good:
Ill see you around :highfive:
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Thanks bro. I'll just be patient and wait, but you're right it's extremely unlikely that there will be a root for this device.. I was seduced by the phone's Beauty when I saw it at the store :angel: that's why I bought it.
And yes, for One Plus they had a really good business plan. I read an article on why they did succeed. And if I remember correctly "they asked the community what they wanted and how much the community was willing to pay for a good phone"... If I find the link I'll post it here..
See ya around bro

kolkili said:
Thanks bro. I'll just be patient and wait, but you're right it's extremely unlikely that there will be a root for this device.. I was seduced by the phone's Beauty when I saw it at the store :angel: that's why I bought it.
And yes, for One Plus they had a really good business plan. I read an article on why they did succeed. And if I remember correctly "they asked the community what they wanted and how much the community was willing to pay for a good phone"... If I find the link I'll post it here..
See ya around bro
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I know it all and I have attended lot of OnePlus events.
OnePlus is a community driven brand and that is one of the mean reasons of its success. OP6 is my primary device and I believe in the never settle philosophy
Sent from my vivo 1804 using XDA Labs

Funk Wizard said:
Hey buddy, although i am not in the favor of spoofing your location for games or any other reason but that's your personal preference.
You can try below:
1. Google Playstore > Settings > Do not auto update apps
2. Settings > More Settings > Accessibility > Turn off auto update for System apps.
3. Settings > Security & Privacy > More Security Settings > Device Manager > Deactivate Find My Device as Device Administrator
4. Settings > Security & Privacy > More Security Settings > Turn off Google Play Protect & Find My Device
5. Settings > More Settings > App Manager > Google Play Services > Clear Cache/Data & Uninstall Updates
6. Download & Install your preferred Play Services version from apk mirror for correct device architecture arm64
7. Reboot the device after installation
Let me know if that works :good:
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Hi Bro,
Thanks for your reply.. I have done all these things before reaching out to you.. I am stuck at last part.. Installing old version 12.6.85.. It's just throwing message that app not installed at the last.. So u reached out to you.. Does this phone has root availability... That is the last resort I left..
Thanks
Vj

lazyhunk said:
Hi Bro,
Thanks for your reply.. I have done all these things before reaching out to you.. I am stuck at last part.. Installing old version 12.6.85.. It's just throwing message that app not installed at the last.. So u reached out to you.. Does this phone has root availability... That is the last resort I left..
Thanks
Vj
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Root not available yet for this device. Wait for sometime.
Hope u are installing arm64 version try an older version like 11.x

Yeah.. I am installing arm64-v8a.. But no use.. I tried with 11x still same app not installed.. Don't know What making it stop.

Vivo V11 Screen DPI
Hi. Anyway to change the Vivo V11 Screen DPI? Thanks.

Samsung services dialling home to China (360.cn and 360safe.com) after Pie upgrade

Having ran NetGuard in logging mode for a few days now I've noticed that many of Samsung's in-built services are contacting web services associated at multiple DNS subdomains under:
- *.360.cn
- *.cloud.360safe.com
A lot of them on unsecured HTTP port 80 (some go via HTTPS port 443).
Services I've observed this behaviour so far are:
- Samsung ApexService
- ANT+ HAL Service
- Application installer (com.sec.android.preloadinstaller)
- Assistant Menu
- AirCommandManager (com.samsung.android.aircommandmanager)
- Plus too many other default services to list (most of which cannot be disabled)
Phone's running on stock unbranded SM-N960F build number PPR1.180610.011.N960FXXU2CSA2.
I've scanned the phone using bundled Device Care's McAfee security scan with no findings.
Has anyone else observed this behaviour?

sengork said:
Having ran NetGuard in logging mode for a few days now I've noticed that many of Samsung's in-built services are contacting web services associated at multiple DNS subdomains under:
- *.360.cn
- *.cloud.360safe.com
A lot of them on unsecured HTTP port 80 (some go via HTTPS port 443).
Services I've observed this behaviour so far are:
- Samsung ApexService
- ANT+ HAL Service
- Application installer (com.sec.android.preloadinstaller)
- Assistant Menu
- AirCommandManager (com.samsung.android.aircommandmanager)
- Plus too many other default services to list (most of which cannot be disabled)
Phone's running on stock unbranded SM-N960F build number PPR1.180610.011.N960FXXU2CSA2.
I've scanned the phone using bundled Device Care's McAfee security scan with no findings.
Has anyone else observed this behaviour?
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I haven't looked at this as closely as you have,but,I'm guessing it's all tied-in from the Device Maintenance section of the phone.
The name of the company Samsung is currently in bed with is QIHOO:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qihoo_360
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4165136-cheetah-mobile-lost-samsung-relevant-risks
Remember/heard of Cheetah Mobile (of Clean Master infamy) ?
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...mobile-security-and-innovation-300043298.html
Well,that's who used to be in partnership w/Samsung & the Device Maintenance aka built-in Clean Master to most,if not all Samsung mobile products.
Fast-Forward to present day & we still have the crapware on our phones,likely scraping info & selling it to anyone interested.
Now,it's just with another company,presumably one with friendlier terms for Samsung.
As you've probably noticed,you can't fully disengage/disable/deny all permissions here,less root (or ADB disabling/package disabler apps).
At least you have a phone that's rootable & can cruise the ROM scene for one that leaves this crap off the phone.
If root isn't an option:
Set up your phone & apps,fine-tune as you like for battery optimization on a per app basis/permissions/etc....
Then,either via ADB or a package disabler,disable the apps responsible for the crapware,especially the ones related to Device Maintenance.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...laxy-note-9-bloatware-removal-thread-t3857508
Follow the link in the OP to the S9/S9+ forum/thread,it gives a better idea of what each .apk actually is/ties into.
Here's the app I use to disable crapware/things I don't use:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wakasoftware.appfreezer
As to which apps to disable,the S9/S9+ thread,while not an exact match,should give you info on what to disable to stop the phone from pinging the 360 mothership & hopefully,not having any ill effects on the apps you want to keep on-board.
If you want a better idea of how each app is interconnected throughout the phone,use these two apps to take a look:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ubqsoft.sec01
SD Maid (Pro):
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.thedarken.sdm&hl=en_US
(See the App Control & file manager sections of SD Maid for detailed app info).
Anyhoo,back to curbing the nonsense:
Whichever method you use to disable,should you choose to do so,start with this one:
com.samsung.android.lool (Device Maintenance).
This will make the entire Device Maintenance section inaccessible as well.
That is why I suggest disabling vs outright uninstalling (which necessitates a factory reset to get it back).
You may need to access Device Maintenance for whatever reason from time to time,hence the recommendation for disabling vs uninstalling.
Continue monitoring for a day or so & see if the pinging to the Mothership subsides,or hopefully puts a full-stop to it.
Please keep us updated on what,if any actions you take w/the results. :good:

Excellent overview, it's quite an eye opener thanks for the info.
I've disabled and force-stopped "com.samsung.android.lool" (amongst other junkware) and so far NetGuard hasn't shown a single network log entry to any of the 360 domains. I've uninstalled all 4 Facebook packages. Continuing to monitor this closely. My thought is that I can re-enable "com.samsung.android.lool" from time to time whenever maintenance is needed and then disable it again. Even better Adhell3 might be useful for blocking "com.samsung.android.lool" network attempts whilst retaining it for device management purposes however I haven't tried this yet.
For reference, here is my current list of disabled packages:
Code:
package:com.monotype.android.font.rosemary
package:com.samsung.android.app.ledcoverdream
package:com.sec.android.widgetapp.samsungapps
package:com.samsung.android.app.galaxyfinder
package:com.samsung.svoice.sync
package:com.cnn.mobile.android.phone.edgepanel
package:com.samsung.android.easysetup
package:com.samsung.android.provider.stickerprovider
package:com.samsung.android.app.sbrowseredge
package:com.samsung.android.rubin.app
package:com.sec.android.cover.ledcover
package:com.samsung.faceservice
package:com.monotype.android.font.foundation
package:com.sec.android.widgetapp.easymodecontactswidget
package:com.samsung.android.app.settings.bixby
package:com.sec.android.app.billing
package:com.samsung.android.app.selfmotionpanoramaviewer
package:com.samsung.android.game.gamehome
package:com.samsung.daydream.customization
package:com.sec.enterprise.knox.attestation
package:com.samsung.systemui.bixby2
package:com.dsi.ant.service.socket
package:com.microsoft.skydrive
package:com.samsung.SMT
package:com.samsung.android.drivelink.stub
package:com.android.hotwordenrollment.xgoogle
package:com.samsung.android.sm.devicesecurity
package:com.dsi.ant.sample.acquirechannels
package:com.samsung.android.aircommandmanager
package:com.samsung.android.bixby.service
package:com.samsung.android.smartface
package:com.android.egg
package:com.samsung.android.emojiupdater
package:com.samsung.android.bixby.agent
package:com.android.printspooler
package:com.android.hotwordenrollment.okgoogle
package:com.samsung.android.hmt.vrsvc
package:com.samsung.storyservice
package:com.android.dreams.basic
package:com.android.bips
package:com.samsung.android.game.gametools
package:com.samsung.android.app.simplesharing
package:com.samsung.android.service.peoplestripe
package:com.samsung.android.da.daagent
package:com.dsi.ant.plugins.antplus
package:com.samsung.android.app.taskedge
package:com.google.android.webview
package:com.samsung.android.app.mirrorlink
package:com.dsi.ant.server
package:com.samsung.android.allshare.service.fileshare
package:com.samsung.android.universalswitch
package:com.sec.android.app.apex
package:flipboard.boxer.app
package:com.google.android.printservice.recommendation
package:com.monotype.android.font.chococooky
package:com.android.dreams.phototable
package:com.samsung.android.bixbyvision.framework
package:com.samsung.android.game.gos
package:com.android.wallpaper.livepicker
package:com.samsung.android.beaconmanager
package:com.sec.enterprise.mdm.services.simpin
package:com.samsung.android.stickercenter
package:com.samsung.android.bixby.wakeup
package:com.samsung.android.samsungpass
package:com.samsung.android.spayfw
package:com.linkedin.android
package:com.samsung.android.lool
package:com.samsung.android.knox.analytics.uploader
package:com.samsung.android.sm.policy
package:com.sec.android.emergencylauncher
package:com.samsung.android.visionintelligence
package:com.samsung.android.app.watchmanagerstub
package:com.samsung.android.svoiceime
package:com.samsung.android.mateagent
package:com.enhance.gameservice
package:com.google.vr.vrcore
package:com.hiya.star
package:com.sec.enterprise.knox.cloudmdm.smdms
package:com.samsung.android.app.appsedge
package:com.samsung.android.samsungpassautofill
package:com.monotype.android.font.cooljazz
package:com.samsung.android.allshare.service.mediashare
package:com.samsung.android.app.clipboardedge
package:com.samsung.android.app.motionpanoramaviewer
package:com.samsung.android.bio.face.service
package:com.samsung.android.bixby.agent.dummy

sengork said:
Excellent overview, it's quite an eye opener thanks for the info.
I've disabled and force-stopped "com.samsung.android.lool" (amongst other junkware) and so far NetGuard hasn't shown a single network log entry to any of the 360 domains. I've uninstalled all 4 Facebook packages. Continuing to monitor this closely. My thought is that I can re-enable "com.samsung.android.lool" from time to time whenever maintenance is needed and then disable it again. Even better Adhell3 might be useful for blocking "com.samsung.android.lool" network attempts whilst retaining it for device management purposes however I haven't tried this yet.
For reference, here is my current list of disabled packages:
Code:
package:com.monotype.android.font.rosemary
package:com.samsung.android.app.ledcoverdream
package:com.sec.android.widgetapp.samsungapps
package:com.samsung.android.app.galaxyfinder
package:com.samsung.svoice.sync
package:com.cnn.mobile.android.phone.edgepanel
package:com.samsung.android.easysetup
package:com.samsung.android.provider.stickerprovider
package:com.samsung.android.app.sbrowseredge
package:com.samsung.android.rubin.app
package:com.sec.android.cover.ledcover
package:com.samsung.faceservice
package:com.monotype.android.font.foundation
package:com.sec.android.widgetapp.easymodecontactswidget
package:com.samsung.android.app.settings.bixby
package:com.sec.android.app.billing
package:com.samsung.android.app.selfmotionpanoramaviewer
package:com.samsung.android.game.gamehome
package:com.samsung.daydream.customization
package:com.sec.enterprise.knox.attestation
package:com.samsung.systemui.bixby2
package:com.dsi.ant.service.socket
package:com.microsoft.skydrive
package:com.samsung.SMT
package:com.samsung.android.drivelink.stub
package:com.android.hotwordenrollment.xgoogle
package:com.samsung.android.sm.devicesecurity
package:com.dsi.ant.sample.acquirechannels
package:com.samsung.android.aircommandmanager
package:com.samsung.android.bixby.service
package:com.samsung.android.smartface
package:com.android.egg
package:com.samsung.android.emojiupdater
package:com.samsung.android.bixby.agent
package:com.android.printspooler
package:com.android.hotwordenrollment.okgoogle
package:com.samsung.android.hmt.vrsvc
package:com.samsung.storyservice
package:com.android.dreams.basic
package:com.android.bips
package:com.samsung.android.game.gametools
package:com.samsung.android.app.simplesharing
package:com.samsung.android.service.peoplestripe
package:com.samsung.android.da.daagent
package:com.dsi.ant.plugins.antplus
package:com.samsung.android.app.taskedge
package:com.google.android.webview
package:com.samsung.android.app.mirrorlink
package:com.dsi.ant.server
package:com.samsung.android.allshare.service.fileshare
package:com.samsung.android.universalswitch
package:com.sec.android.app.apex
package:flipboard.boxer.app
package:com.google.android.printservice.recommendation
package:com.monotype.android.font.chococooky
package:com.android.dreams.phototable
package:com.samsung.android.bixbyvision.framework
package:com.samsung.android.game.gos
package:com.android.wallpaper.livepicker
package:com.samsung.android.beaconmanager
package:com.sec.enterprise.mdm.services.simpin
package:com.samsung.android.stickercenter
package:com.samsung.android.bixby.wakeup
package:com.samsung.android.samsungpass
package:com.samsung.android.spayfw
package:com.linkedin.android
package:com.samsung.android.lool
package:com.samsung.android.knox.analytics.uploader
package:com.samsung.android.sm.policy
package:com.sec.android.emergencylauncher
package:com.samsung.android.visionintelligence
package:com.samsung.android.app.watchmanagerstub
package:com.samsung.android.svoiceime
package:com.samsung.android.mateagent
package:com.enhance.gameservice
package:com.google.vr.vrcore
package:com.hiya.star
package:com.sec.enterprise.knox.cloudmdm.smdms
package:com.samsung.android.app.appsedge
package:com.samsung.android.samsungpassautofill
package:com.monotype.android.font.cooljazz
package:com.samsung.android.allshare.service.mediashare
package:com.samsung.android.app.clipboardedge
package:com.samsung.android.app.motionpanoramaviewer
package:com.samsung.android.bio.face.service
package:com.samsung.android.bixby.agent.dummy
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:good: THX for the update,much appreciated! :good:
I was gonna post this in a bit (just noticed it myself this afternoon,LOL) ,but,it looks like you have added the other two .apks to your disabled list:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=78103170&postcount=123
It'a a shame the mfgs aren't required to be more up-front & state ,in common use language where the print is larger than a gnat's ass, the exact nature of the .apks & even more control over the services installed on them.

KOLIOSIS said:
It'a a shame the mfgs aren't required to be more up-front & state ,in common use language where the print is larger than a gnat's ass, the exact nature of the .apks & even more control over the services installed on them.
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The closest to a manufacturer application list I came across was:
- https://support.samsungknox.com/hc/en-us/articles/115015195728-Common-Criteria-Mode
- For example https://docs.samsungknox.com/CCMode/N960F_O.pdf
This seems to relate to computer security certification known as Common Criteria:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Criteria
So the dial home behaviour seems to have passed this security certification (or perhaps the network flows were not part of the certification process). We can only guess...

I've had to reenable the following items to get APK installs to function (either through Play Store or locally stored APKs):
Code:
com.samsung.android.sm.policy
com.samsung.android.sm.devicesecurity
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...val-thread-t3857508/post78744845#post78744845
Continuing to monitor with NetGuard. So far ~1hr I haven't seen the packets repeat.

sengork said:
I've had to reenable the following items to get APK installs to function (either through Play Store or locally stored APKs):
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...val-thread-t3857508/post78744845#post78744845
Continuing to monitor with NetGuard. So far ~1hr I haven't seen the packets repeat.
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IIRC,something like this was mentioned in the S9/S9+ debloat thread.
I didn't mention it earlier as you hadn't reported any issues,but,glad you were able to figure it out/find the same info I'd stumbled upon.

Well after a day of usage I can say that battery life is poorer without "com.samsung.android.lool". I've enabled it again now and blocked its domains via Adhell 3:
Code:
360.cn
360safe.com
*.360.cn
*.360safe.com
Furthermore I have disabled its WiFi and Mobile network access in Adhell 3. However this block is bypassed whenever applications using Android's native VPN facility are switched on so its not absolutely fool proof. Similar blocking can be done using NetGuard itself as long as you keep it switched on and filtering continuously.
I'll keep an eye on which other domains it attempts to contact.

sengork said:
Well after a day of usage I can say that battery life is poorer without "com.samsung.android.lool". I've enabled it again now and blocked its domains via Adhell 3:
Code:
360.cn
360safe.com
*.360.cn
*.360safe.com
Furthermore I have disabled its WiFi and Mobile network access in Adhell 3. However this block is bypassed whenever applications using Android's native VPN facility are switched on so its not absolutely fool proof. Similar blocking can be done using NetGuard itself as long as you keep it switched on and filtering continuously.
I'll keep an eye on which other domains it attempts to contact.
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How much of a difference in battery life are we talking about?

It felt to be about 20%. Is Pie without Device Maintenance expected to put applications to sleep? I am guessing sleep is the major factor here (opposed to cleaning up caches and other storage capacity functions of Device Maintenance app).

sengork said:
It felt to be about 20%. Is Pie without Device Maintenance expected to put applications to sleep? I am guessing sleep is the major factor here (opposed to cleaning up caches and other storage capacity functions of Device Maintenance app).
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I would like to think so,hoping Device Maintenance isn't ingrained to the level where it breaks the native Doze feature in Android.
JMHO,Device Maintenance seems to be just like Clean Master,running on top of Android/counterproductive,putting a hat on a hat,so to speak,LOL.
I haven't had a Nexus device since the N6 & never had a Pixel,but,I'm pretty sure none of 'em have DM..................................
Whenever I decide to update to Pie,I'm going to continue as I am now:
Battery Optimize all apps that I don't rely on for auto-updating or push notifications & then disabling Device Maintenance.
If something starts acting up,only then do I re-enable DM,take a look at Battery Optimizing for whatever is affected & again,disabling DM.
Guessing you've just recently updated to Pie.......
If it were me,I'd continue to disable DM & give the new OS upgrade a week or so,see what your battery life looks like then.
Battery life loss could be due to some user-installed apps that aren't playing nice w/Pie & not due to DM being disabled.

You will find the logo or text "powered by 360" on storage screen in Samsung device management app.

KOLIOSIS said:
Battery Optimize all apps that I don't rely on for auto-updating or push notifications & then disabling Device Maintenance.
If something starts acting up,only then do I re-enable DM,take a look at Battery Optimizing for whatever is affected & again,disabling DM.
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I have taken your advise a few weeks ago and have concluded that removing DM whilst manually optimising all individual apps has resulted in no battery loss (in fact it has probably improved but this is within a margin of error). Thanks for your guidance.

Unless you need to connect to a Chinese domain for whatever reason, just block *. cn for good and forever about it.

hello guys i have bought galaxy note 9 in China and there is not preinstalled google play store app...
can anyone tell me how to install safely ))?? thank you ...

hey thanks for your attention but i dont need to access i have vpn i know how to access i want to know how to install because it is not installed so do you have some ideas ?))) how to do it

sandro comaia said:
hey thanks for your attention but i dont need to access i have vpn i know how to access i want to know how to install because it is not installed so do you have some ideas ?))) how to do it
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Just side-load this .apk & you should be good to go:
https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/googl...5-22-all-0-pr-254908059-android-apk-download/

Was original poster was the only one who had this issue?
Is this a samsung thing or all androids?
Can this be a security risk?
There was a link to the s9 bloatware thread but it doesn't work
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...laxy-note-9-bloatware-removal-thread-t3857508
Says 404 not found for me

Nameduser6 said:
Was original poster was the only one who had this issue?
Is this a samsung thing or all androids?
Can this be a security risk?
There was a link to the s9 bloatware thread but it doesn't work
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...laxy-note-9-bloatware-removal-thread-t3857508
Says 404 not found for me
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Should be only Samsung phones. Interestingly i haven't seen it dial home since my original post and up until i uninstalled the Device Care package. Samsung might have changed the domains the tool dials home to.
Sent from my SM-N960F using Tapatalk

[Debload][Bloatware] S21 | S21+ | S21Ultra or any flagship Samsung /Huawei /OnePlus phones

He I will try to advise you how to optimise and debloat your phone for better performance and battery as well as free of bloat device.
I have used this method over the years for my S10 | S10+ | S20+ | S20Ultra | S21Ultra | P40 |P40 Pro and OP8 Pro and many other phones. And works as expected.
Prerequisites:
#1. ADB AppControl
Which can be found here:
[TOOL] ADB AppControl 1.8.0 🚀 Ultimate App Manager & Debloat Tool + Tweaks
ADB AppControl 🚀 Root is not required. Works with any Android device. Can do almost everything you dreamed about with applications. ADB AppControl - the desktop program, that will allow you to easily manage applications on your android device...
forum.xda-developers.com
ADB AppControl - android applications manager and debloat tool. Official website. Free download.
Thanks to @Cyber.Cat for this application of for posting it.
#2. Windows computer or for MAC owners, Parallel Desktop to run Windows
#3. Android phone which you want to optimise
Steps for debloating bloatware:
#1. Download and install ADB AppControl from the above link
#2. Activate Developer Options: go to Settings >> About phone >> Software information >> tap 7 times on Build Number
#3. in Developer Options enable USB debugging mode
#4. Open ADB AppControl
#5. Connect your phone to your computer
#6. Allow USB connect message on your phone several times until ADB AppControl shows connect message on top
#7. Chose what applications you would like to disable or uninstall (i recommend you disable them not uninstall)
#8. From bootom right corner in ADB AppControl chose Disable option
#9. Check the box to delete cache and data [it is on top where you chosed Disable option at the previous step]
#10. Press Apply
#11. Confirm that you agree to disable the selected apps on the popup message which will appear
#12. Unplug your phone from the computer
#13. Shut down the phone
#14. Connect the phone again to your computer [being closed]
#15. Quick press Volume button + Volumne Up button until you see on your screen the logo
#16. Release the buttons
#17. Now you are into the phone recovery
#18. Chose the option to clear cache [NOT phone reset] with your power buttons
#19. Select the option to clear cache by presing the power button
#20. Chose restart phone
E voila.
There is no miracle bloatware list. It depends from phone to phone.
Being on a S21 series forum I will post what I debloated for my S21Ultra SM-G998B device.
com.android.apps.tag
com.android.bookmarkprovider
com.android.chrome
com.android.dreams.basic
com.android.dreams.phototable
com.android.hotwordenrollment.okgoogle
com.android.hotwordenrollment.xgoogle
com.android.managedprovisioning
com.android.printspooler
com.android.providers.partnerbookmarks
com.android.providers.userdictionary
com.diotek.sec.lookup.dictionary
com.facebook.services
com.facebook.system
com.facebook.appmanager
com.google.android.apps.tachyon
com.google.android.printservice.recommendation
com.google.android.projection.gearhead
com.google.android.tts
com.google.ar.core
com.google.audio.hearing.visualization.accessibility.scribe
com.justride.stbbuch
com.plantronics.headsetservice
com.samsung.android.accessibility.talkback
com.samsung.android.app.ledbackcover
com.samsung.android.app.notes
com.samsung.android.app.notes.addons
com.samsung.android.app.readingglass
com.samsung.android.app.routines
com.samsung.android.app.settings.bixby
com.samsung.android.app.spage
com.samsung.android.app.tips
com.samsung.android.ardrawing
com.samsung.android.aremoji
com.samsung.android.aremojieditor
com.samsung.android.arzone
com.samsung.android.bixby.agent
com.samsung.android.bixby.agent.dummy
com.samsung.android.bixby.service
com.samsung.android.bixby.wakeup
com.samsung.android.bixbyvision.framework
com.samsung.android.game.gamehome
com.samsung.android.game.gametools
com.samsung.android.kidsinstaller
com.samsung.android.knox.containeragent
com.samsung.android.knox.containercore
com.samsung.android.livestickers
com.samsung.android.mateagent
com.samsung.android.service.airviewdictionary
com.samsung.android.service.pentastic
com.samsung.android.service.tagservice
com.samsung.android.six.webtrans
com.samsung.android.spay
com.samsung.android.spayfw
com.samsung.android.svoiceime
com.samsung.android.visionintelligence
com.samsung.android.vtcamerasettings
com.samsung.desktopsystemui
com.samsung.knox.securefolder
com.samsung.SMT
com.sec.android.app.bluetoothtest
com.sec.android.app.desktoplauncher
com.sec.android.app.dexonpc
com.sec.android.app.kidshome
com.sec.android.app.magnifier
com.sec.android.cover.ledcover
com.sec.android.desktopmode.uiservice
com.sec.android.emergencylauncher
com.sec.android.mimage.avatarstickers
com.sec.android.widgetapp.webmanual
com.sec.spp.push
com.spotify.music
com.swiftkey.swiftkeyconfigurator
com.touchtype.swiftkey
de.axelspringer.yana.zeropage

with the above done I always get 6hrs+ of SoT and battery live of over 1day and 10hrs in a single charge with 120hz WHD+ resolution

Thanks for this method... I am using it with my S21 Ultra and works fine

So, Im trying to figure out a way to safely disable the Samsung Dialer. Ive already installed the google dialer but I broke the calls when i uninstalled it the first time. Im trying to figure out which package is the one to disable. Trying to remove as much Samsung as possible

Good to see this Debloat for the OnePlus, etc....

Excuse me, I´m totally new to the package disabling and I´m really looking forward to get it working on my new S21 Ultra. Could somebody please take some time, and explain to me what does it do and if the apps will still work even after disabling? (For example the bixby voice wakeup was disabled as seen in the screenshot, will my phone be able to get awaken via Bixby if it is disabled?)
Secondly I´d like to ask you if there is some sort of "best" list of packages to disable. I really want to maximize the battery life and performance of my device since it´ll be my inevitable workstation for couple of months.
Kind regards!

If you are new to this and your device will be an inevitable workstation for a couple of months I would wait with the most crazy debloat.
You can only disable things you know of, if you disable bixby bixby wont work, at all.

Hi everyone, if I do an OTA update the process will reinstall debloated apps?

Saluzzo97 said:
Hi everyone, if I do an OTA update the process will reinstall debloated apps?
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No.
You can double check by seeing number of installed apk in settings.
But I never had a problem with debloated app reinstalling.

lyzgaard said:
No.
You can double check by seeing number of installed apk in settings.
But I never had a problem with debloated app reinstalling.
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Thank you very much!

Hello all, it has been sometime since I rooted my phone / removed all the extra crap lol.
Is there a way to know what each Items do?
I know in the past the roms would be debloted and you had a stock rom and had the option to add what you wanted.
Thank you

Nice start with original post. I'm also looking for any further explanation or categorization of s21+ bloat please?
If uninstalled, can app be reinstalled manually from play store if desired later?
What phone is best for clean customizable ROM now?
Guessing Pixel series, but what else... OnePlus?
I've custom rom'd my s3 to s8, but now want to have Netflix working on my s21. Just don't want apps I never use taking up space and populating the share menu options, etc.

does debloating drain battery?

xkawsx said:
does debloating drain battery?
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There are a couple of apk's who can drain battery if you deleted them.
I don't remember their name but if you debolat them the phone won't get into deep sleep....
But you can always double check if the phone enters deep sleep by installing CPU Spy from Play Store.

Just a little headsup on two packages you should NEVER disable!
Device Services (com.samsung.android.kgclient) - If you disable this, you will LOCK YOURSELF OUT of your phone (Error 3020). Chances are good to recover from this if you have TWRP installed or USB debugging always enabled. Otherwise a factory reset is the only solution. Nevertheless, this is a core component and WILL cause problems if disabled.
Device Security (com.samsung.android.sm.devicesecurity) - If you disable this, app installations will take significantly longer (about 5x). Not sure why, but better leave it.
In general, if you are not 100% sure what a package does, leave it! Even if someone on the internet says "I disabled it and had no problems"... There is a high possibility that you don't achieve optimization by disabling, but crippling your device and creating lots of errors in the background you don't know about (thus using more battery).
As far as I can tell, the list in the OP seems reasonable though.
@AllAboutTech Might be helpful for beginners if you add those 2 warnings to the OP.

AtrixBomb said:
If uninstalled, can app be reinstalled manually from play store if desired later?
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You can always use ADB to re-enable apps, as long as you just disabled them (not uninstalled).
Connect to your phone via ADB and use the following command:
adb shell pm enable <package_name>
// Edit: I guess the ADB AppControl from the OP also allows to re-enable apps.
If you have uninstalled system apps, some of them might be re-installable via Play / Galaxy Store, but definitely not all.

bluediablito said:
Is there a way to know what each Items do?
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Someone over at the S20 forums made a pretty good list some time ago:
Google Sheet

Lartsch said:
Just a little headsup on two packages you should NEVER disable!
Device Services (com.samsung.android.kgclient) - If you disable this, you will LOCK YOURSELF OUT of your phone (Error 3020). Chances are good to recover from this if you have TWRP installed or USB debugging always enabled. Otherwise a factory reset is the only solution. Nevertheless, this is a core component and WILL cause problems if disabled.
Device Security (com.samsung.android.sm.devicesecurity) - If you disable this, app installations will take significantly longer (about 5x). Not sure why, but better leave it.
In general, if you are not 100% sure what a package does, leave it! Even if someone on the internet says "I disabled it and had no problems"... There is a high possibility that you don't achieve optimization by disabling, but crippling your device and creating lots of errors in the background you don't know about (thus using more battery).
As far as I can tell, the list in the OP seems reasonable though.
@AllAboutTech Might be helpful for beginners if you add those 2 warnings to the OP.
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That's strange. I always delete both of these without any poblems.
Device Security it's part of the Macfee antivirus thingy options.
I always get rid of because I think Play Protect does the job.
When I delete this all that's happens is that the Security Option is gone from Device Care Settings.
And I don't get those anyoing security notifications about enable it.
No problem with app install.
As for kgclient that's part of the Samsung Payment Service, I have never had any problems with deleting it.
That said, I have never used Samsung Pay.
Im on S21 Ultra european model unbranded right now.

lyzgaard said:
That's strange. I always delete both of these without any poblems.
Device Security it's part of the Macfee antivirus thingy options.
I always get rid of because I think Play Protect does the job.
When I delete this all that's happens is that the Security Option is gone from Device Care Settings.
And I don't get those anyoing security notifications about enable it.
No problem with app install.
As for kgclient that's part of the Samsung Payment Service, I have never had any problems with deleting it.
That said, I have never used Samsung Pay.
Im on S21 Ultra european model unbranded right now.
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Hey, that's interesting. A friend also tested and confirmed the lock out / slow install.
Is your device encrypted?

Lartsch said:
Hey, that's interesting. A friend also tested and confirmed the lock out / slow install.
Is your device encrypted?
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No I haven't encrypted it, also I don't use Secure Folder.
Maybe this has something to do with Knox Vault on encrypted phones?
Samsung Pay is also a part of the Knox vault.
Exynos, modell named SM-G998B/DS

How To Guide Stop vivo spyware with app ops

I've tried everything possible to stop vivos spyware, namely cim.vivo.pushservice and com.vivo.abe (plus maybe some others but the main one clearly is push service - whatever you do interacting with your phone shortly after push service tries (because I blocked it's internet access with Adguard) to contact some Chinese servers.
Edit: For app ops to work reliably you need to debloat com.vivo.devicereg first. Also remove com.vivo.abe and other apps for best results first - see here for list: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...al-battery-drain.4544851/page-5#post-88459025
You cannot debloat it, you cannot freeze it, there is no normal way to remove it from starting as you cannot simply restrict it from running as it runs on user 1000.
However what you can do, though only with app ops is to simply remove it access to any system content by providing fake zero content (ignore). Actual denying is also not possible.
I'm attaching a screenshot on how to set it up and I don't know which actual setting works, but something does work because for the first time I'm using this device it's not trying to connect to the internet anymore. This should also substantially improve battery life.
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You need to activate system and system framework apps to show it. By default they are hidden.
It's quite crazy how many times different vivo apps access location and contacts. Well enough other apps are pretty annoying in accessing fine location so app ops is a great tool to cut down on requests by apps (yes usually a power manager would restrict the apps a bit, but as we have to remove vivo.pem to receive notifications app ops is the answer)
If you setup an island with islands app, it's pretty crazy how fast the vivo system starts requesting access to loads of stuff. Maybe because I forbid internet access to the vivo spyware it kept on going crazy? Well clearly by default this system send everything, and yeah really everything straight to Chinese servers when it comes to location, contacts, messages, phone log, system settings and so on. You cannot even deny this but it's great that android now provides the ignore function which will return empty information instead.
This one is especially terrifying. I guess the service gathers all the data it gives to push service to send to China... Put it on ignore straight away.
App ops is available on Google play, installation needs shizuku too which is a bit complicated and needs restarting after reboot of system. However most settings should survive a reboot (I have to try and monitor this), best make a backup and yeah totally worth it to buy the full version. There is no single other app that I tried which worked and the auto restore feature is only available in full version. Also some more other stuff.
I'm thinking if I should remove all accounts and try the device owner mode. Clearly this will be the first thing I will do on any new phone or hard reset. Put shizuku as owner so it can autostart
App Ops - Permission manager - Apps on Google Play
Manage app permission with App Ops (require root or adb)
play.google.com
Edit/Update.
Vivo using system user 1000 is problematic because somehow you cannot set some/many permissions per app but only per user. It's hard to see when this applies and when not.
So both of this apps which are core parts of the spyware armada will share/influence the android system permission on location. Clearly debloat would be better but impossible without root.
You cannot directly set it here - and that's the problem. It's even not possible in the log to tell which user 1000 app requested location as somehow it will always show android system...

Some things I do not know yet - because I didn't use it long enough.
Does Vivo rotten oranges tries to overwrite the settings? MIUI seemingly does and there is a restore mode especially for it.
Some reviews mention that the backup/import option does not work for System apps. I don't know if this was fixed or not (seems to have been okay 2-3 years ago - maybe downgrade if that is so).
Do you need the app? No you could do this manually or even write a batch as its all app ops set commands. But that would be way way more complicated than using the app (and the free version does most things already).
I hope by seeing the body sensors log I managed to eliminate the offending apps like Phone that accessed them and cause the phone to lose battery while on the go like crazy.
Which apps should you set to ignore everything?
Well foremost those that we would all like to uninstall and remove but cannot.
com.vivo.abe, push notifications service, com.android.phone (and use a different dialler app instead - the default phone must be spyware infused to the top as it becomes active all of the time without being in use and replaced in my case with google phone already), the numbermark stuff, vivo locationservices,
Youtube Revanced - Fine Location - should you use it. I don't know why it keeps on requesting this all the time. Put it on ignore or Deny to save battery (seems to be a bit badly programmed)
Multi Device Connectivity (don't know what this thing does, but it requests loads of data/wakeups and so on - maybe part of the spyware suite? For Sure remove it from Fine Location)
AiEnginge,Aiservices.
Controversial: Should you remove location access to Android System? I think it can save battery but not sure if some apps break some functionality?
com.vivo.devicereg (this one is quite active too - I'm not sure if we should put everything on ignore here too).
And yeah - I'm 99.99% positive the China Spyware is tracking your location 100% of the time. So it's not only some metadata, contacts, call data, messages, clipboard content and app filtering - but also your location. Now is this collected by Vivo for its own good, or for the Chinese government? I don't care I don't want either and I pretty much thing the way it works is several services gathering all that data - and most like vivo push notifications (haha fitting name) pushing this info to Chinese servers.
And yeah - seeing how many access rights are given to various system apps is not normal! I compared this to my Huawei P30 Pro and Galaxy S7 and both have much much less permissions given (a bit problematic as earlier Android versions aren't so detailled). Plus without app ops you don't even know about this! The stock permission management just hides all the system framework apps so you never know!

BTW - If you identify any app that requests a lot of stuff like location or contacts and you do not know why it should - try to debloat it because that's always the better solution. com.vivo.multinlp - Vivo Location Services can be debloated.
Same for Multi Device Connectivity: com.vivo.connbase
The rest of the apps above (except phone which breaks functionality if debloated) - cannot be debloated. So that's when you use App Ops instead. It's always safer using app ops vs fully uninstalling/disabling an app from a standpoint about breaking something. However for battery use most likely uninstalling via adb is the better solution. I decided to remove those two apps, but a more conservative approach is to simply remove their access to sensitive data.
Someone knows why google play services needs access to body sensors?
I'm attaching my current profile - not sure if you can import it without having the same debloat level as on my phone (which is pretty extensive - I have 77 apps uninstalled and 11 disabled. Yeah and most of that are services/system apps (very few a pre installed user apps).
Need to remove the txt ending on the backup to import.
Oh I think the reviews are right, the backup doesn't include settings for system apps. That a bummer. Kinda makes the backup/import function useless.
Now it clearly would make more sense if one could create a huge bash/batch file to do all of these app ops commands. I clearly don't know how to do that simply? Yeah finding out what changed is possible with dumpsys....

Battery life improved loads on first try, but then somehow I managed to destroy the Bluetooth connection by removing permissions somewhere too much. Also I had the phone in vibration mode overnight which kills all notifications and is like airplane mode light.
It's really horrible software design by vivo that vibration mode kills all notifications with screen off.
The only thing to achieve actual vibration mode is turning volume down to 0. I really cannot get who can program such a lousy thing.

I don't know why but location is constantly requested by something and I highly doubt it's actually android system!

Sadly Vivo system like MIUI seems to reset the restrictions all the time. So you need shizuku running all the time to restore the settings..
Especially com.vivo.abe restores it's permissions several times daily and as soon as that happens battery life goes **** again in idle and spyware starts working again...
It's super frustrating but essentially this phone had rubbish software that isn't fixable. It can be improved as many settings aren't reset but the spyware tries everything it can to restore itself overwriting system settings all the time.
Oh and push notifications also sends out data to fixed IP addresses in China that cannot be prevented.
Location is accessed like crazy by all the spyware.
Thats the main killer because it's permanently checking location if you don't disable location system wide.
At least down from 15.000 requests to 9000 thanks to app ops.

Hi @extremecarver, any updates on this? I appreciated what you have done so far to investigate this issue.
The problem I'm facing right now is, the idle drain is too much for me. With plane mode on during 6 hour night, it lost 3%. With normal 3g-4g signal (no data), it drains about 1% per hour, sometimes 2%. That means if I go to work and let my phone sit there for a whole day without touching anything, then it will lose 8%-16%. That's crazy numbers.
I also found that, googlemap (with gps+4g) can kill battery very quickly. Usually, I drive to work in 30 mins and it drops 6%, i.e, 1% per 5 mins. With the same use, the s22 ultra drops just under 3%.
And if I use the phone normally such as web browsing, facebook, instagram, tiktok, even taking photos then it drains very very normally as other phones do.
I have the s22 ultra and I can say that the battery on s22 ultra is much better than vivo. It's understandable because it has been optimized for a year now. With the s22 ultra and with the same using pattern, I can easily get 8 hours SoT, while the vivo can barely get it to 5-6 hours.
Pretty sad because this x90 pro+ camera is better than the s22 ultra in many aspects, easier to hold in hand (s22 ultra is too hard to reach the edge of the phone and too heavy) although I don't like both curve screens. I don't have many problems with the notifications because I mainly use messenger and gmail and that's all.
So hopefully, someone can find out the way to fix those excessive battery drain or Vivo can release some updates to solve this problem in the future.

Dear All,
i'm not sure if mine could be a good solution or not but i'm using nextdns service and it basically blocks all or almost all vivo and others brand spyware without installing any apps.
it's very quick and easy to activate, just enable dns privato in network settings and write your dns resolver url.
i hope it could be helpful.

lemonade747 said:
Hi @extremecarver, any updates on this? I appreciated what you have done so far to investigate this issue.
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Yes by removing virtually any rights on any app/service that I don't think needs it - I could solve the battery drain.
However now I cannot use the telephone to make calls (passive receving calls still works), and I seem not to be able to update to the new trial software because it isn't found.
Now the problem with App Ops is - I cannot quickly return all rights to update the software - as the backup/import function does not work with system apps.
This phone is just one thing, Crap, crap, crap, crap, crap. Not a single day I don't want to use a hammer and trash it. It's simpy virtually impossible to fix the crapware/spyware of this phone.
Svask89 said:
Dear All,
i'm not sure if mine could be a good solution or not but i'm using nextdns service and it basically blocks all or almost all vivo and others brand spyware without installing any apps.
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No it doesn't - it can only block apps, not even some system services - and only if they connect to a website, not if they connect to an IP address!
I have written about stopping spyware with DNS services already - this stops some sending of data - but doesn't help at all when it comes to battery drain. There will still be 20.000 events or so per day (which is a crazy amount) of the china spyware logging your location (and yeah mostly high accuracy, not low accuracy), trying to connect to chinese servers and other problems that you can only discover via Shizuku.
And NextDNS is not the right solution at all. I think even Adguard is a bit more efficient for this. The best one is Rething DNS+ - it's the only app that can block all system services (but then you cannot use another app for ad filtering like Adaware/Adguard).

This menu is not accessible via settings... But it exists
Needs to be accesses via activity launcher.
Actually private DNS exists too but is hidden by Vivo like so many other privacy related settings.. this OS is so rotten they try to hide everything that improves privacy...
Likely everything you write with Vivo secure keyboard has preferential upload to China servers
(This last one is sarcasm without proof, but don't believe anything this OS tells you about privacy because logs tell you it's lying)
Some more stuff of which a lot is hidden and not accessible
Go f**k standard vivo settings menu. The only problem is the real android settings menu is missing the search function. But it's feature complete (except the stuff Vivo really removed from Android which isn't too much.. mostly they just removed it from the settings menu)

This phone is a absolute garbage. Seems vivo blocks shizuku after some days of using it.
Found a Chinese tutorial on bilibili on what to do to solve it but that doesn't work anymore either.
Now vivo Push notifications spyware tries to send again notifications at a rate of 10-20 every second...
Basically the phone is a brick now, draining battery faster and faster with pushware and Abe having restored their permissions...
Also I cannot use ADB Appcontrol anymore - as it doesn't get permission (removing/restoring permission for ACBBridge didnt help).
I also activated Force Activity Resizeable in the developer options but that didn't change a thing... ( I think this only applies to apps that cannot get the pairing code via notifications and need the code entered in splitscreen - as if you switch screen the code is renewed)

'This phone is just one thing, Crap, crap, crap, crap, crap. Not a single day I don't want to use a hammer and trash it. It's simpy virtually impossible to fix the crapware/spyware of this phone.'
Patiently waiting

extremecarver said:
This phone is a absolute garbage. Seems vivo blocks shizuku after some days of using it.
Found a Chinese tutorial on bilibili on what to do to solve it but that doesn't work anymore either.
Now vivo Push notifications spyware tries to send again notifications at a rate of 10-20 every second...
Basically the phone is a brick now, draining battery faster and faster with pushware and Abe having restored their permissions...
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Also I cannot use ADB Appcontrol anymore - as it doesn't get permission (removing/restoring permission for ACBBridge didnt help).
I also activated Force Activity Resizeable in the developer options but that didn't change a thing... ( I think this only applies to apps that cannot get the pairing code via notifications and need the code entered in splitscreen - as if you switch screen the code is renewed)
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Thank you Vivo, keep doing it to his phone

Any updates on this @extremecarver?
I'm using this and what I see so far is the battery drain cut down to around 5% overnight (6 hours). With plane mode ON, it lost about 3% in 6 hours, not too bad for me. However, when put it there on my desk when I'm working (with 4g signal covered, no data), for 8 hours it sucked around 10%, and with wifi on that number is around 20%. My old Huawei Mate 20 and S22U can do even better than this (just around 5% without wifi, and 10-15% with wifi).
In addition, I also found that the battery drain when using GPS on this phone is too much for me. Just 1 hour and it sucked about 12% with 4G data ON.

Yes - in order to really cut the battery drain you need to remove much more permissions. The problem is that Vivo restores them - you could try to restrict that but modifying "modify restricted settings/ files" or something similar - but maybe that is how I locked myself out.
You can go into the "keep awake" and "run in background" and put ignore on everything you think that is not absolutely needed. Android 12 and above should not use this keep awake but Vivo apparently does.
Then you culd restrict body sensor data to more apps/services.
But yes as long as there is no way to really remove vivo.abe and vivo push notifications the battery drain is not fixable. Then of course the modem sucks - and uses way too much power. That one is either hardware rubbish or software mess up. I rather guess a rubbish modem.
The worst is battery drain while outdoors doing sports without being in airplane mode even if you disable any access to body sensors for all apps normally (use "device Info" app for this to actually get to all services, then app ops for removing even more.

extremecarver said:
Yes - in order to really cut the battery drain you need to remove much more permissions. The problem is that Vivo restores them - you could try to restrict that but modifying "modify restricted settings/ files" or something similar - but maybe that is how I locked myself out.
You can go into the wake something section and remove everything you think that is not needed. Android 12 and above should not use this - but Vivo apparently does.
Then you culd restrict body sensor data to more apps/services.
But yes as long as there is no way to really remove vivo.abe and vivo push notifications the battery drain is not fixable. Then of course the modem sucks - and uses way too much power. That one is either hardware rubbish or software mess up. I rather guess a rubbish modem.
The worst is battery drain while outdoors doing sports without being in airplane mode even if you disable any access to body sensors for all apps normally (use "device Info" app for this to actually get to all services, then app ops for removing even more.
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The phone is good overall, camera, design, performance, but the battery drain is destroying those good points. Not sure if vivo will fix this in the future or not, but my S22U did take more than 6 months to get some first stable updates, and it's super stable right now at 1 year.

Well I cannot call any phone good if it's basic functions like notifications and spyware are rubbish like hell - causing battery drain without end. And yeah - without root you can make it a bit better but cannot fix it. With root if would be quite doable (as long as Vivo doesn't introduce any killswitch like disabling stuff once vivo.abe or push notification service is uninstalled). Root for running adb commands would be enough. But vivo actively disabled this by making many apps removable only for user 1000.

ok so it seems no way to fix the rubbish battery life.
this thread convinced me to sell the phone for a s23 ultra, the battery life differences are huge given only the 300mah battery.
Very good phone ruined by battery life, I don't even care at this point about camera and other specs, I expected good battery life from a sd gen 2 with 4700 mah but i was clearly wrong.
My 1st and last vivo phone, too bad i'll lose tons of money now because is vivo is a no name here.

You lose tons of money everywhere as soon as you cannot return a Vivo phone anymore...
Btw, can someone show what permissions are on Android system by default?
I wonder if I'm missing some (screenshot from device info):
I never directly removed a permission from Android system, but I removed permissions from apps running as well on system.uid user, and sometimes they interact, sometimes they don't. Vivo really messed up the permissions because it's not possible to cleanly change permissions.
If you see the permissions given to push notifications it's anyhow clear than restricting any permissions to vivo apps to stop them to spy on you is like fighting windmills, because push notifications just about has any permission imaginable even after removing some with app ops. Here are the permissions left over from push notifications after removing any possible with app ops app.

Found the error why I couldn't access adb anymore. Shell system app somehow had all rights removed. Fixed it by exporting the apk and reinstalling it. Not locked out anymore and can use app ops again...
Strange thing though - on reboot shell went missing again. Not sure what the crap deletes shell on reboot. I'm pretty sure that's some kind of vivo killswitch if you remove rights via app ops commands from it's spyware.