Hi!
Pretty sure this has been discussed before, but couldn't find precisely the clarifications I needed. So please bare with me!
The 11 Ultra comes out in CN version and Global version (?)
Please check the "differences" table at the middle of this page: https://www.aliexpress.com/i/32845812011.html
Firstly, let's begin - is this info provided in this table accurate or not?
If it is correct, my understanding is that the hardware between "CN version" and "Global version" may also be different
This is further supported elsewhere e.g.: https://www.quora.com/Which-is-better-Xiaomi’s-global-version-or-China-version (post by James A)
You may have noticed that up until this point, I haven't even used the word "ROM"
Because this is what it still is confusing to me. If the above claims are actually true (that the hardware is different between the two versions), then comes the ROM consideration
According to the previous table, the CN version can either have the CN ROM or the Global ROM. The Global version can only have Global ROM
Its important to clarify the use between "version" (device/hardware) and "ROM" (software/firmware)
That may also explain the (countless) discussions I ve seen across the forums debating which band is supported by which "version" and/or "ROM"
Correct me if I m wrong, but I think that band support on a phone is hardware-based and cannot be altered by flashing a different ROM. Which further supports my argument that we indeed have two different hardware flavors of the Mi 11 Ultra...
If I am correct, and we indeed have the choice of "CN version" and "Global version", it would make sense to go for the "Global version" (which obviously runs on Global ROM and is more expensive!)
But if I am wrong (and there is no hardware variation), then it would make sense to go for the "CN version" and then flash the "Global ROM" myself (and save me some money!)
Just to clarify - when I say "hardware variation" I don't mean differences in the specs; those should be the same! I m talking materials used, quality, and certifications (e.g. CE, FCC) that the CN version wouldn't have (according to those resources)
Is there someone here who can shed light to this? I d rather hear from someone how really knows the actual case of whats going on here (and no more assumptions/hypotheses!)
jstoner said:
Hi!
Pretty sure this has been discussed before, but couldn't find precisely the clarifications I needed. So please bare with me!
The 11 Ultra comes out in CN version and Global version (?)
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Xiaomi Mi 11 Pro/Ultra / 11 Ultra (star) same rom.
Cn,EEA,Global,Indian,Indonesian version.
Difference between Cn version and other version:
the band B28b(700) does not exist on the CN version.
Buying a Cn version with a global rom is more expensive than with the CN rom, especially since it is possible to install a different version without any problems.
In any case with a Cn version,if you install a EEA or Global rom, the bootloader cannot be locked, which results in an uncertified play store and banking apps that cannot be installed.
Solution:
Either you root and use Magisk hide or you install a Xiaomi EU rom which exists in stable or weekly version without root and with the bootloader unlocked.
NOSS8 said:
Xiaomi Mi 11 Pro/Ultra / 11 Ultra (star) same rom.
Cn,EEA,Global,Indian,Indonesian version.
Difference between Cn version and other version:
the band B28b(700) does not exist on the CN version.
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So, minus one LTE band...OK, I guess I can live with that
But no other differences e.g. build quality of the device?
NOSS8 said:
Buying a Cn version with a global rom is more expensive than with the CN rom, especially since it is possible to install a different version without any problems.
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Thing is, I realised that I cannot find any "Global version" variants. Only thing on sale right now seems to be the CN version with CN ROM (+option for Global ROM)
NOSS8 said:
In any case with a Cn version,if you install a EEA or Global rom, the bootloader cannot be locked, which results in an uncertified play store and banking apps that cannot be installed.
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This is a problem. I still need a phone that is fully functional, especially at this price tag!
I need certified Play for my banking apps, so its no use without it
Its good to hear that little detail now (its quite shocking this is not mentioned on all the ads that sell the CN!)
NOSS8 said:
Solution:
Either you root and use Magisk hide or you install a Xiaomi EU rom which exists in stable or weekly version without root and with the bootloader unlocked.
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Hmm, but Xiaomi EU will also result me having unlocked bootloader, right? (hence not certified Play)
So not really a solution
(p.s. I don't want to root the phone either..)
"Thing is, I realised that I cannot find any "Global version" variants. Only thing on sale right now seems to be the CN version with CN ROM (+option for Global ROM)."
Indeed, yet they exist on paper
"Hmm, but Xiaomi EU will also result me having unlocked bootloader, right? (hence not certified Play)
So not really a solution
(p.s. I don't want to root the phone either..)"
Nope, Xiaomi Eu rom is a custom rom not the stock EEA(Europe Version),Everything works(certified Play store) without root and with the bootloader unlocked, as mentioned above.
NOSS8 said:
Nope, Xiaomi Eu rom is a custom rom not the stock EEA(Europe Version),Everything works(certified Play store) without root and with the bootloader unlocked, as mentioned above.
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I see. Sounds like a solution then
May I ask a (probably) silly question - are those Xiaomi EU builds trustworthy? Are they still Open Source?
Also, that band B28b(700), according to this: https://halberdbastion.com/intelligence/countries-nations/germany
serves some 15% of the LTE users here in Germany. Which is not neglictible in a sense, but not the end of the world either. Telefonica, which I use at the moment, really sucks in terms of coverage...
jstoner said:
I see. Sounds like a solution then
May I ask a (probably) silly question - are those Xiaomi EU builds trustworthy? Are they still Open Source?
Also, that band B28b(700), according to this: https://halberdbastion.com/intelligence/countries-nations/germany
serves some 15% of the LTE users here in Germany. Which is not neglictible in a sense, but not the end of the world either. Telefonica, which I use at the moment, really sucks in terms of coverage...
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They have been modifying roms for 11 years and are present on XDA.
I have been using these roms for a long time without any problems.
You can go there with your eyes closed.
Many with a Cn version use them.
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One final, less important question: does the CN version come with the (cable) charger in a retail box?
I don't know whether I should expect the box to be properly sealed (as I usually opt for!)
Some sellers claim that it needs to be opened in order to "check that everything is there" (which is just BS)
But someone told me that it may be opened at the customs upon arrival...can they really do something like that?
I ve always have the fear of receiving something that is not really 'brand new' (e.g. refurb or a returned from previous customer). There must be a counter to check on possible usage (don't know if that can be reset to by someone who knows how to do it)
Anyhow, that will be it, thanks for all feedback!
jstoner said:
One final, less important question: does the CN version come with the (cable) charger in a retail box?
I don't know whether I should expect the box to be properly sealed (as I usually opt for!)
Some sellers claim that it needs to be opened in order to "check that everything is there" (which is just BS)
But someone told me that it may be opened at the customs upon arrival...can they really do something like that?
I ve always have the fear of receiving something that is not really 'brand new' (e.g. refurb or a returned from previous customer). There must be a counter to check on possible usage (don't know if that can be reset to by someone who knows how to do it)
Anyhow, that will be it, thanks for all feedback!
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A tip don't buy on Ali,
https://tradingshenzhen.com/en/
Maybe more expensive but better service.
jstoner said:
One final, less important question: does the CN version come with the (cable) charger in a retail box?
I don't know whether I should expect the box to be properly sealed (as I usually opt for!)
Some sellers claim that it needs to be opened in order to "check that everything is there" (which is just BS)
But someone told me that it may be opened at the customs upon arrival...can they really do something like that?
I ve always have the fear of receiving something that is not really 'brand new' (e.g. refurb or a returned from previous customer). There must be a counter to check on possible usage (don't know if that can be reset to by someone who knows how to do it)
Anyhow, that will be it, thanks for all feedback!
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There a few online check services that can check the activation date , to ensure it is really "brand new" , not refurb/returned. I think they're fetching the data from Xiaomi server.
Bobfish said:
There a few online check services that can check the activation date , to ensure it is really "brand new" , not refurb/returned. I think they're fetching the data from Xiaomi server.
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Better with official tool
https://www.mi.com/global/verify/#/en/tab/imei
NOSS8 said:
A tip don't buy on Ali,
https://tradingshenzhen.com/en/
Maybe more expensive but better service.
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How about this: https://www.giztop.com/xiaomi-mi-11-ultra-global-rom.html ??? Seems alright..
(I just need the phone, in its retail box, unopened if possible - I ll do the flashing to EU myself)
jstoner said:
How about this: https://www.giztop.com/xiaomi-mi-11-ultra-global-rom.html ??? Seems alright..
(I just need the phone, in its retail box, unopened if possible - I ll do the flashing to EU myself)
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https://tradingshenzhen.com/en/mi-1...ductlisting&utm_content=xiaomi-mi-11-ultra-cn
https://tradingshenzhen.com/en/mi-1...isting&utm_content=xiaomi-mi-11-ultra-12gb-cn
https://fr.trustpilot.com/review/www.giztop.com
https://fr.trustpilot.com/review/tradingshenzhen.com
I can't choose storage on giztop.
NOSS8 said:
I can't choose storage on giztop.
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I was interested in the 12gb/256gb anyway (and Black!)
617eur+postage is as low as it gets (taking into account the trust rating as well)
Strangely enough, the Compatability Assistant says that B28/700MHz is supported by O2/Telefonica (?)
Only thing left now is to see if they ll be willing to ship the box sealed (and maybe in a larger box to accommodate the charger). It shouldn't be a problem for the CN version - as I don't want anything 'extra'
I m not a fan of the "all devices are checked before shipping" notice at the bottom
If it is for it to be 'abused' at a customs random check, so be it. But I don't see any reason for them to open the box. That should be my honour to do so!
NOSS8 said:
In any case with a Cn version,if you install a EEA or Global rom, the bootloader cannot be locked, which results in an uncertified play store and banking apps that cannot be installed.
Solution:
Either you root and use Magisk hide or you install a Xiaomi EU rom which exists in stable or weekly version without root and with the bootloader unlocked.
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Why is it that you can't lock the bootloader? I just bought a global rom flashed chinese version phone since it was cheaper. But I would like to have all functions back.
The xiaomi EU rom is actually a custom rom so I would love not to use it. Also some youtubers from my country said that magisk solves the problem until the first reboot which makes it start boot looping afterwards.
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Santhes said:
Why is it that you can't lock the bootloader? I just bought a global rom flashed chinese version phone since it was cheaper. But I would like to have all functions back.
The xiaomi EU rom is actually a custom rom so I would love not to use it. Also some youtubers from my country said that magisk solves the problem until the first reboot which makes it start boot looping afterwards.
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Why is it that you can't lock the bootloader?
Because Chinese phones are only intended for the Chinese market.
Could you be more specific?
(But I would like to have all functions back.)
YouTube is not XDA.
NOSS8 said:
Why is it that you can't lock the bootloader?
Because Chinese phones are only intended for the Chinese market.
Could you be more specific?
(But I would like to have all functions back.)
YouTube is not XDA.
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Well some say bank apps don't work and NFC payment does not work also. I'm Currently using a MI 9 SE global version and I have grown acostomed to using nfc payment and some other apps like netflix and stuff. Since the MI 11 ultra I bought is coming with the global ROM I would lose those.
Santhes said:
Well some say bank apps don't work and NFC payment does not work also. I'm Currently using a MI 9 SE global version and I have grown acostomed to using nfc payment and some other apps like netflix and stuff. Since the MI 11 ultra I bought is coming with the global ROM I would lose those.
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This is due to the unlocked bootloader and the uncertified play store.
So root + magisk or Xiaomi eu rom.
NOSS8 said:
This is due to the unlocked bootloader and the uncertified play store.
So root + magisk or Xiaomi eu rom.
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By using the root + Magisk everything is enabled again? Even OTA updates? Or just the functions that I asked?
Santhes said:
By using the root + Magisk everything is enabled again? Even OTA updates? Or just the functions that I asked?
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Yeap, normally, for OTA (not sure) anyway you can do them manually and start again the root again each time.
Xiaomi Eu roms are 100% safe.
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Hi, I bought for my wife Mi5 from Geekbuying from their Spain warehouse for quick delivery (adding express option). I paid more for the phone than from China, but time was a critical element there. It should come with Global ROM, and it is but fake one being CN version with some additional languages.
In general I don't mind that, but annoying thing is that I can set language as English, but there no locale for any European country including UK. I spent quite a few hours to figure out what is going on. Warranty is from Geekbuying, so any upgrades (manual as OTA not working on this) will void that.
I manually wanted to check if I can upgrade to any official ROMs, and it was declining, however once it went kind of through with reboot etc. on the official global (non-dev) but after restart it was still fake one. later retries were failing on that ROM.
Just in case, I requested a unblock code from Xiaomi and just got that one. I want to understand what options I have now and if official global ROM will add UK locale etc. Maybe I should go for some other ROM like CM or something. Please bear in mind that my wife is not a tech y person. at all...
Please advise and all suggestions are appreciated.
Well you can flash Official MIUI Global Rom via MiFlash.
1) Download MiFlash
2) Download Mi5 Fastboot ROM that you want to use (Global Stable ROM will be perfect for non techy person)
3) Reboot phone into Fastboot
4) Put phone into EDL using the command "fastboot oem edl" (without quotes)
5) Launch MiFlash - it should detect it as a COM device. Flash the ROM you downloaded earlier.
6) Once it's done, you'll be back to original Official Global MIUI.
For more info please visit MIUI Global Site.
unlock bootloader first, then you can flash any rom you like
What ROM for my Love?
knocik said:
Hi, ....
Please advise and all suggestions are appreciated.
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Stay in the MIUI!
Joy and Color and a lot of cool settings already available (no extra mods, apps, etc for simple functions).
Go for the european ROMs if the phone will be operating in Europe (better gps, and other small but significant differences).
If your amata is coming from a stock version you can present to her the AOSCP or RR clean, light and fast & well supported.
knocik said:
Just in case, I requested a unblock code from Xiaomi and just got that one.
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Did you proceed? Let us know. Grazie.
Hi, thanks for information.
I got the code to unlock it, but haven't done that yet. Some people are saying it is better to keep it locked if possible.
I have a question what is that EU ROM? Is it Global or different one? Please point to the right source.
I tried to update using Mi app (recovery), but it is failing with error 2099 or official ROM is recognised as unofficial. Fastboot is not working at all as per now.
BTW I am quite angry for Geekbuying as they asked me to return that phone to China (if I want) using post office (several weeks shipping) even though I paid local return option when bought it.
knocik said:
Hi, thanks for information.
I got the code to unlock it, but haven't done that yet. Some people are saying it is better to keep it locked if possible.
I have a question what is that EU ROM? Is it Global or different one? Please point to the right source.
I tried to update using Mi app (recovery), but it is failing with error 2099 or official ROM is recognised as unofficial. Fastboot is not working at all as per now.
BTW I am quite angry for Geekbuying as they asked me to return that phone to China (if I want) using post office (several weeks shipping) even though I paid local return option when bought it.
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The EU ROM is xiaomi.eu one. Can be found at xiaomi.eu of course. It's actually a China rom (stable or dev, your choice) but with all Chinese bloatware removed and with european languages added. The advantage over Official Global version is exactly the fact that is based on China ROM. China ROMs get updates way more often than Global ones.
vladimir_carlan said:
The EU ROM is xiaomi.eu one. Can be found at xiaomi.eu of course. It's actually a China rom (stable or dev, your choice) but with all Chinese bloatware removed and with european languages added. The advantage over Official Global version is exactly the fact that is based on China ROM. China ROMs get updates way more often than Global ones.
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I am on this for the last 2h or so and don't know what to do. Power with volume up or down? with down mi app doesn't recognise usb connection grrr.
On EU site, I found those ROMs but explanation there is poor. TWRP is needed and link to dozens of different versions and which to choose? Do I have to unlock it? Xiaomi warns that it won't be secure or fingerprint won't be reliable. That is a key feature for my wife on this phone so don't want to mess with it.
If I only new that is so much hassle with it, I would convince my wife to go with OnePlus3 as I have and no hassle what so ever and with UK warranty etc. for just a little bit more £.
I am trying to unlock, as I think it is the only way to try something I haven't yet.
There is a problem - when accessing via volume down to fastboot it is dropping out usb connection after some time, before phone is verified and unlocked.
How to overcome that?
TBH I am kind of geeky person, but I have enough of that. If I won't get that sorted today, phone is going back to where it came from!
To enter in fastboot mode in order to unlock? Power+volume down. If your device is not recognised that means fastboot drivers are not installed correctly. For xiaomi.eu you do need an unlocked bootloader. As for what versions to use? For TWRP last version is 3.0.2-3. If you ask about roms? Last stable version is 8.1.6. Last developer version is 6.12.29 (that is Nougat and still have some bugs). I advise you to go for last stable version. Fingerprint issues? Never encountered one. And I'm using xiaomi.eu roms since MIUI7.
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I've just seen your last post. The fastboot connection is droppend when the unlocking process is somewhere at 50%? Are you still on that fake rom? If yes, that's the problem. To unlock bootloader you need to be on an official rom (China dev would be the best).
vladimir_carlan said:
To enter in fastboot mode in order to unlock? Power+volume down. If your device is not recognised that means fastboot drivers are not installed correctly. For xiaomi.eu you do need an unlocked bootloader. As for what versions to use? For TWRP last version is 3.0.2-3. If you ask about roms? Last stable version is 8.1.6. Last developer version is 6.12.29 (that is Nougat and still have some bugs). I advise you to go for last stable version. Fingerprint issues? Never encountered one. And I'm using xiaomi.eu roms since MIUI7.
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I've just seen your last post. The fastboot connection is droppend when the unlocking process is somewhere at 50%? Are you still on that fake rom? If yes, that's the problem. To unlock bootloader you need to be on an official rom (China dev would be the best).
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Fastboot drivers - goolge driver install failed on several occasions and 2 different versions. Yes, I am still on that fake ROM. I can't get even china ROM replaced on it, because apparently I need to unlock it, but I can't... This is getting mad.
I understand your frustration...but it's not necessarily Gearbest's fault. Xiaomi delayed several months the Global version. Gearbest couldn't sell globally phones with only chinese language could they? They did what they could at that time in order to satisfy the worldwide demand. Probably they still sell from their initial batch. And I think that phones from Gearbest was delivered by Xiaomi with that "fake" rom. Why? I didn't wanted to buy one from Gearbest especially because of "fake" rom issue. So I waited until a chinese friend of mine was going home for holidays. He went to a Xiaomi showroom and he called me and told me that the seller told him their MI5 have only chinese language. Told him that is totally fine and to buy it as it is because at that point Global version was out so I could flash it without any issue. When he came back to UK. When we met he had a huge grin on his face "The seller ordered a phone especially for you and this one have English aswell". Guess what? Was with the fake rom =) so I had to go through whole nightmare with going from fake rom to China dev. So yeah...basically my phone was sold by Xiaomi China, in a chinese showroom with a fake rom.
Driver signature enforcement removed didn't help with drivers, still have a problem.
I have enough. 4h digging on the web with installing software, drivers etc. and nothing. I can't remember when I struggled so much with some sort of electronics last time.
vladimir_carlan said:
I understand your frustration...but it's not necessarily Gearbest's fault. Xiaomi delayed several months the Global version. Gearbest couldn't sell globally phones with only chinese language could they? They did what they could at that time in order to satisfy the worldwide demand. Probably they still sell from their initial batch. And I think that phones from Gearbest was delivered by Xiaomi with that "fake" rom. Why? I didn't wanted to buy one from Gearbest especially because of "fake" rom issue. So I waited until a chinese friend of mine was going home for holidays. He went to a Xiaomi showroom and he called me and told me that the seller told him their MI5 have only chinese language. Told him that is totally fine and to buy it as it is because at that point Global version was out so I could flash it without any issue. When he came back to UK. When we met he had a huge grin on his face "The seller ordered a phone especially for you and this one have English aswell". Guess what? Was with the fake rom =) so I had to go through whole nightmare with going from fake rom to China dev. So yeah...basically my phone was sold by Xiaomi China, in a chinese showroom with a fake rom.
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It was geekbuying, not gearbest.
Anyway, why they haven't installed EU ROM instead?
Do you have any idea how to install official ROM then without unlock? Using update on the phone doesn't work, update via MI app on PC doesn't work. I tried all 4 versions of official ROM.
knocik said:
It was geekbuying, not gearbest.
Anyway, why they haven't installed EU ROM instead?
Do you have any idea how to install official ROM then without unlock? Using update on the phone doesn't work, update via MI app on PC doesn't work. I tried all 4 versions of official ROM.
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EU Rom wasn't available for a while neither. Flashing official rom? You need MI PC Suite. Here is how you do it:
http://xiaomitips.com/guide/how-to-fix-bricked-mi-5-with-locked-bootloader-and-update-to-global-rom/
You need to this anyway as a necessary step to unlock bootloader. Later you can decide if you want to keep your bootloader locked or not.
vladimir_carlan said:
EU Rom wasn't available for a while neither. Flashing official rom? You need MI PC Suite. Here is how you do it:
http://xiaomitips.com/guide/how-to-fix-bricked-mi-5-with-locked-bootloader-and-update-to-global-rom/
You need to this anyway as a necessary step to unlock bootloader. Later you can decide if you want to keep your bootloader locked or not.
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****! I haven't done any update yet and my phone is in the MI logo loop. I can access fastboot and that is it. Can't load the system, can't access volume up+power anymore!!!
Now, I can't even send it back!
Step 2 – Now grab your Mi 5 phone. Press and hold Volume Up (+) and Power buttons simultaneously until you see an image of a phone with USB cable.
Can't do that as MI logo is appearing only and no cable image anymore...
Managed to install miflash and that seemed to improve drivers so managed to unlock it and flash it using miflash to official stable global rom for now.
knocik said:
Managed to install miflash and that seemed to improve drivers so managed to unlock it and flash it using miflash to official stable global rom for now.
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That's good news. From now on you won't have any more issues. It's your choice if you want to stay on official stable global. But you must keep in mind that global stable gets updates only every couple of months. Last global stable is from October (8.1.2) with security patches from July (if I remember correctly) while China global gets updates more often. Last China stable is 8.1.6 with security patches from 1st December.
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That's good news. From now on you won't have any more issues. It's your choice if you want to stay on official stable global. But you must keep in mind that global stable gets updates only every couple of months. Last global stable is from October (8.1.2) with security patches from July (if I remember correctly) while China global gets updates more often. Last China stable is 8.1.6 with security patches from 1st December.
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I don;t need weekly updates. My wife wouldn't be pleased with so frequent ones. Every 2-3 months is OK.
I think I will try EU ROM too now. The thing is that even latest Global doesn't have UK locale but has some EU countries compare to the fake one. I hope UE has it. Do you know that by any chance?
knocik said:
I don;t need weekly updates. My wife wouldn't be pleased with so frequent ones. Every 2-3 months is OK.
I think I will try EU ROM too now. The thing is that even latest Global doesn't have UK locale but has some EU countries compare to the fake one. I hope UE has it. Do you know that by any chance?
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In EU ROM there's no option to change locale. Xiaomi.eu was started by UK fan community so I can assume that is coming with UK locale by default. If you want to know if UK english language is available, yes it is. Anyway locale on MIUI affects only few things: browser startup page, themes store and weather provider. Chinese locale i.e is using weather.cn therefore won't provide weather informations outside China. I'm using EU ROM in UK and I get weather informations just fine on my MI5. Browser startup page doesn't have any quick links to chinese fishy websites and if I miss a theme or two in Themes Store who cares?
i am looking to purchase mi 9 once it is released in china, but how long does it take for the MIUI 10 global rom available to download?
Think twice before buying a Chinese MI9.
https://www.xda-developers.com/flash-miui-global-locked-bootloader-xiaomi-brick/
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Think twice before buying a Chinese MI9.
https://www.xda-developers.com/flash-miui-global-locked-bootloader-xiaomi-brick/
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This just means you have to have a unlocked bootloader, you cannot lock the bootloader once flashing Global on to Chinese & vice versa
Quote from the article you linked:- "If you have an unlocked bootloader, you can safely flash out-of-region MIUI versions using TWRP, fastboot, or the MiFlash tool."
You just can't relock on a out-of-region ROM anymore
I have the same question as OP. Really looking forward to this one. Looks like it's going to be a really affordable device for the specs it offers but I would like to know how long it usually takes for global roms to be published.
I might wait until there's a stable global rom available.
Well the Xiaomi Mi Mix 3 was released 11th November & the Global ROM was available on the 21st December I believe, based of that I'd say maybe a month give or take
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This just means you have to have a unlocked bootloader, you cannot lock the bootloader once flashing Global on to Chinese & vice versa
Quote from the article you linked:- "If you have an unlocked bootloader, you can safely flash out-of-region MIUI versions using TWRP, fastboot, or the MiFlash tool."
You just can't relock on a out-of-region ROM anymore
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i am new to this, where can a get a unlocked bootloader for mi9 ?
TheInfiniteAndroid said:
This just means you have to have a unlocked bootloader, you cannot lock the bootloader once flashing Global on to Chinese & vice versa
Quote from the article you linked:- "If you have an unlocked bootloader, you can safely flash out-of-region MIUI versions using TWRP, fastboot, or the MiFlash tool."
You just can't relock on a out-of-region ROM anymore
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if not installed the gobal rom, the mi 9 still has english language, so what is the big difference between china and global rom . its still usable while bring it back to U.S , right?
samuelpc said:
if not installed the gobal rom, the mi 9 still has english language, so what is the big difference between china and global rom . its still usable while bring it back to U.S , right?
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On the Global ROM there is less bloatware, & it includes Google Apps, if you have Chinese ROM you get no Google Apps, also the AI button will be Chinese AI & not Google Assistant.
There's probably a few other differences I'm missing too..
TheInfiniteAndroid said:
On the Global ROM there is less bloatware, & it includes Google Apps, if you have Chinese ROM you get no Google Apps, also the AI button will be Chinese AI & not Google Assistant.
There's probably a few other differences I'm missing too..
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can i install the google play myself and set default applications to google chrome, google map ...etc.
and for the AI button, i could change that button designated to other apps , right ?
samuelpc said:
can i install the google play myself and set default applications to google chrome, google map ...etc.
and for the AI button, i could change that button designated to other apps , right ?
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I'm pretty sure you can install all the Google stuff on the Chinese ROM yes, however I'd definitely look in to it first if I where you, also I'm not sure if the AI button can be remapped
https://forum.xda-developers.com/Mi-9/how-to/xiaomi-mi-9-official-miui-rom-available-t3904475
I pre-ordered from Giztop.
They contacted me saying they have the Chinese version in stock and will install Google play on the phone before shipping out.
I'm in the US.
If I go this route, can I convert to the global edition using the global rom at some point?
I'll just have to keep the bootloader unlocked?
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/Mi-9/how-to/xiaomi-mi-9-official-miui-rom-available-t3904475
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I m new to this,. So does it mean that once unlock the bootloader I can install global miui ROM?
Everything I have read says yes. Chances are though in the near future we will see some really good custom ROMS for the phone so you may end up not even wanting to go with the stock global ROM once its out. At least that is my thinking and what I plan to do down the road.
anandlal said:
I pre-ordered from Giztop.
They contacted me saying they have the Chinese version in stock and will install Google play on the phone before shipping out.
I'm in the US.
If I go this route, can I convert to the global edition using the global rom at some point?
I'll just have to keep the bootloader unlocked?
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Just found this, Transparent Mi 9 running MIUI Global
so, let me se if i get this correctly, if i unlock the bootloader, and never lock it again, i should not have any issues if i install the global rom and everything should work perfectly fine?
Rommco05 said:
Yes, exactly how you said
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Thank, so, what are the risks of leaving the bootloader unlocked?
JaxLeo said:
Thank, so, what are the risks of leaving the bootloader unlocked?
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Malicious software, viruses, etc.
If you are careful you should be fine.
Also some software (financial) sometimes doesn'tkke when the bootloader is unlocked.
deleted wrong miui
this show 9 an not 10 sorry
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Thank, so, what are the risks of leaving the bootloader unlocked?
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Some banking apps don't work with a unlocked bootloader, also if your device where to be lost or stolen it's easier for the person to access your data or wipe the phone completely to sell it
I purchased a 6/128 global used off swappa. It's set to be delivered in a few days. To be honest, I should have researched a bit before buying because I'm pretty lost. Looking for some knowledge.
I think I understand the bootloader unlock deal, going forward tho are there certain twrp recoveries for certain models? I've read the threads and doesn't seem like any of them are working fully yet, yet I see where people have rooted and flashed other roms so they must work well enough? Are certain roms only compatible with certain models?
I also gather there are 3 different versions?
EU = European
CN = China
? = Global
Yet I see roms labeled eea, eu etc. Basically, I'm just a bit confused and looking for some plain insight.
Every TWRP could be unstable at the moment, but i saw that there is information about compatibility so check the thread comments.
(MI = Global as far as i know)
EDIT:
For global firmware, use this by @randomblame
for chinese firmware/xiaomi.eu use this by wzsx150
I don't know what to use for EU firmware, but i'd try the same as for Global.
_MartyMan_ said:
Every TWRP could be unstable at the moment, but i saw that there is information about compatibility so check the thread comments.
(MI = Global as far as i know)
EDIT:
For global firmware, use this by @randomblame
for chinese firmware/xiaomi.eu use this by wzsx150
I don't know what to use for EU firmware, but i'd try the same as for Global.
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With my limited experience with Xiaomi, I wasn't sure if these were common issues or just more so because the phones relatively new. I've been with Android since pre-ordering the HTC/T-Mobile g1 but for some reason, reading on this phone is confusing me. I went with it because of the price to performance ratio and am sure I'll get a grasp on it. Thanks for the reply. My first steps will be unlocking the bootloader and obtaining root, the waiting period is new to me as well but I'm ok with that. I'll most likely want more stock Android but am willing to give MIUI a chance.
Ducter said:
With my limited experience with Xiaomi, I wasn't sure if these were common issues or just more so because the phones relatively new. I've been with Android since pre-ordering the HTC/T-Mobile g1 but for some reason, reading on this phone is confusing me. I went with it because of the price to performance ratio and am sure I'll get a grasp on it. Thanks for the reply. My first steps will be unlocking the bootloader and obtaining root, the waiting period is new to me as well but I'm ok with that. I'll most likely want more stock Android but am willing to give MIUI a chance.
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You should give it a chance! I thought i'd switch too but with weekly updates, and black themes support, i'm gonna keep it For unlocking you could try my method. Good luck :good:
Hi,
I recently bought a Mi 8, 64 GB from a local retailer.
When MIUI 11 came out, I started looking for ways to install it - when I came to a thread suggesting to download an official global ROM, Iv'e done it.
But, I ended up with seeing an error message suggests that I can't install it since it's not compatible with the 'vendor'.
Pocking and digging around the web didn't produce any useful information..
Can I get your help with figuring out what's the origin of it?
I'd like to take it to the retailer - but I need more information that will come handy when I'm filling my complain.
Cheers,
-M
ForMartha said:
Hi,
I recently bought a Mi 8, 64 GB from a local retailer.
When MIUI 11 came out, I started looking for ways to install it - when I came to a thread suggesting to download an official global ROM, Iv'e done it.
But, I ended up with seeing an error message suggests that I can't install it since it's not compatible with the 'vendor'.
Pocking and digging around the web didn't produce any useful information..
Can I get your help with figuring out what's the origin of it?
I'd like to take it to the retailer - but I need more information that will come handy when I'm filling my complain.
Cheers,
-M
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Did you unlocked the bootloader?
Did you downloaded the right rom?
I also have a mi8, 6gb ram, 64gb ROM.
The codename is dipper.
Go to Xiaomi.eu website, and download the right rom and try again
Enviado do meu MI 8 através do Tapatalk
pedrofssf94 said:
Did you unlocked the bootloader?
Did you downloaded the right rom?
I also have a mi8, 6gb ram, 64gb ROM.
The codename is dipper.
Go to Xiaomi.eu website, and download the right rom and try again
Enviado do meu MI 8 através do Tapatalk
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I didn't. it's a sealed box phone. everything is the same as I bought it.
I'm not quite sure that EU rom will fit, but I'll try to seek for more information there..
ForMartha said:
I didn't. it's a sealed box phone. everything is the same as I bought it.
I'm not quite sure that EU rom will fit, but I'll try to seek for more information there..
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Isn't that an H3G phone? I think you got a phone branded H3G or whatever it's called in your country, that's why you got the vendor message error, I guess..
Don't ask me how to fix it or further details because I can't help you more than this, but if you want to, unlock the bootloader and flash the global rom. Be aware of what you're doing if you want to take it back to the retailer.
aittamattia said:
Isn't that an H3G phone? I think you got a phone branded H3G or whatever it's called in your country, that's why you got the vendor message error, I guess..
Don't ask me how to fix it or further details because I can't help you more than this, but if you want to, unlock the bootloader and flash the global rom. Be aware of what you're doing if you want to take it back to the retailer.
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I got no such phone in my country.. I guess, it's related to a bad stock/missplaced one.
let's hope someone else knows exact details about it.
Thank you for the time spent to help.
ForMartha said:
I got no such phone in my country.. I guess, it's related to a bad stock/missplaced one.
let's hope someone else knows exact details about it.
Thank you for the time spent to help.
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I don't think so.. I mean, I'm not saying you did buy it, but the retailer may have sold you one of those..
Look at the name of the ROM, P stands for Android version, EA stands for dipper, MI is the region of the ROM and then..... HG, why not XM? I don't know what XM means, but I think that HG stands for H3G. You can also find ROMs ending with VF, why? Vodafone..
I woyld suggest you to try to authenticate it .
ForMartha said:
Hi,
I recently bought a Mi 8, 64 GB from a local retailer.
When MIUI 11 came out, I started looking for ways to install it - when I came to a thread suggesting to download an official global ROM, Iv'e done it.
But, I ended up with seeing an error message suggests that I can't install it since it's not compatible with the 'vendor'.
Pocking and digging around the web didn't produce any useful information..
Can I get your help with figuring out what's the origin of it?
I'd like to take it to the retailer - but I need more information that will come handy when I'm filling my complain.
Cheers,
-M
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You need to open the phone and follow the instructions to setup your Mi Cloud account, setup Google and use the phone. The Miui 11 update will show up via the updater. At the time the most current global stable build remains on Android 9.
After using the phone for 360 Hours or two weeks, you can unlock the bootloader. From there install whatever you want.
Personally, I recommend the custom Xiaomi.EU rom which is also Miui 11 but based on the Android 10 Chinese beta. But of course all Chinese is removed and Google services are installed. I feel that this is best version of Miui yet.
Edit: I had never heard of the exact that you are using in HG. For this device have a specialized carrier version of Miui?
If so you will need to check with the carrier to if it is possible to unlock the bootloader. I have heard of similar cases with people who own the MiMix3 5G phones.
Thanks for all the answers.
@aittamattia
I don't really know to whom it belongs.. I'm trying to figure out this magic. I myself think that it's H3S device.
@MirceaViP
Salut. I did try it out. it ended up stating it's official international version.
@tsongming
I'd like to avoid unlocking the bootloader at the moment. I need this device to connect to a corporate account, which, requires to have the bootloader closed and unchanged.
I was talking with the reseller and he knew nothing about this H3S. We agreed to look for information together.. let's see what's going to be the end of this story.
Thanks for all the answers.
@aittamattia
I don't really know to whom it belongs.. I'm trying to figure out this magic. I myself think that it's H3S device.
@MirceaViP
Salut. I did try it out. it ended up stating it's official international version.
@tsongming
I'd like to avoid unlocking the bootloader at the moment. I need this device to connect to a corporate account, which, requires to have the bootloader closed and unchanged.
I was talking with the reseller and he knew nothing about this H3S. We agreed to look for information together.. let's see what's going to be the end of this story.
ForMartha said:
Thanks for all the answers.
@aittamattia
I don't really know to whom it belongs.. I'm trying to figure out this magic. I myself think that it's H3S device.
I was talking with the reseller and he knew nothing about this H3S. We agreed to look for information together.. let's see what's going to be the end of this story.
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I recently found out about these ROMs, it's just that you have to wait for the manufacturer to push the update. Also, check this link to Mi Community, it's in Spanish but look for the code name of your ROM and will help you to better understand the whole thing (and where your phone comes from.. ).
aittamattia,
I'm still not getting it - what is that ROM? who is the maintainer?
ForMartha said:
aittamattia,
I'm still not getting it - what is that ROM? who is the maintainer?
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You have branded rom
ForMartha said:
aittamattia,
I'm still not getting it - what is that ROM? who is the maintainer?
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FYI : You posted this question under the Rom's, kernels and Recoveries section. A moderator will surely delete this thread when they find out about it.
Your rom is a carrier rom, you will get the update when the carrier add their own bloatware and releases to you.
Thanks for all the information.
I hope a moderator will move it to Q&A as I want to take it to the reseller to negotiate my options.
Hey,
You have a carrier specific phone. Did you buy it from Three UK?
I bought mine from there exactly one year ago. It came with MIUI 9 and running that "HG" ROM. I had to unlock the bootloader, flash the original global version and lock the bootloader afterwards.
If you don't flash the global version issued by Xiaomi, you will only be able to update to MIUI 11 when Three issue the update. Three is managing the software updates.
Don't waste your time with their customer services, they have no idea what is the software version. If you have the option to get your money back, buy it direct from Xiaomi UK or Europe.
My phone is working fine since then, I'm able to update it via OTA normally.
Please have a look on this:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-8/help/xiaomi-mi8-3-uk-network-t3886669/
There are some topics on the Mi Community as well. I had a discussion with some people that had the same issue.
Hope it helps.
Cheers
mbgrandi said:
Hey,
You have a carrier specific phone. Did you buy it from Three UK?
I bought mine from there exactly one year ago. It came with MIUI 9 and running that "HG" ROM. I had to unlock the bootloader, flash the original global version and lock the bootloader afterwards.
If you don't flash the global version issued by Xiaomi, you will only be able to update to MIUI 11 when Three issue the update. Three is managing the software updates.
Don't waste your time with their customer services, they have no idea what is the software version. If you have the option to get your money back, buy it direct from Xiaomi UK or Europe.
My phone is working fine since then, I'm able to update it via OTA normally.
Please have a look on this:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-8/help/xiaomi-mi8-3-uk-network-t3886669/
There are some topics on the Mi Community as well. I had a discussion with some people that had the same issue.
Hope it helps.
Cheers
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Thanks for the time spent to share information about this ROM.
At the meantime, I'm trying to negotiate nicely with the reseller. It seems like he is looking for information about it as well.
Do you know if H3S got some official customer support system which I can get more inputs on it?
As for the process you've done:
1. Unlocked bootloader
2. Flashed global rom
3. Relocked bootloader
After this process you were able to get OTA updates?
ForMartha said:
Thanks for the time spent to share information about this ROM.
At the meantime, I'm trying to negotiate nicely with the reseller. It seems like he is looking for information about it as well.
Do you know if H3S got some official customer support system which I can get more inputs on it?
As for the process you've done:
1. Unlocked bootloader
2. Flashed global rom
3. Relocked bootloader
After this process you were able to get OTA updates?
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Hi, that's good.
I spoke to their customer services at that time, but had no luck. No one could provide any precise information about the upgrade. Maybe they are able to provide more information now.
So I decided to flash the global version by myself.
Yes, I'm getting OTA updates normally. The official global version is PEAMIXM. I'm on 11.0.6 now.
Cheers
Well,
I'm in a process of probably replacing it to the official version with actually returning the device and getting other.
if it won't work with the reseller, I'll flash a new global rom and that's it.
P.S. - I saw that there are tools that can do it without unlocking the boot loader, like using EDL. did you tired that?
Thanks
ForMartha said:
Well,
I'm in a process of probably replacing it to the official version with actually returning the device and getting other.
if it won't work with the reseller, I'll flash a new global rom and that's it.
P.S. - I saw that there are tools that can do it without unlocking the boot loader, like using EDL. did you tired that?
Thanks
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Hey!
I didn't try using EDL, maybe it's an alternative. I had to wait 360 hours to get to unlock the bootloader, then the process of flashing and relock bootloader took 15min.
There are other options of ROMs out there, but I wanted to keep it as much as original as possible.
Hope you find a solution soon!
Cheers
Hello,
I've bought my Mi 11 Ultra from China and loving it. I've then rooted it and installed the EU fastboot version.
However, I don't like having to worry about Magisk and all the security issues that this process might entail therefore I'd like to ask a very simple question:
is there a way to turn a Chinese version into an official European version?
So basically I would like to just flash it with a EU official fw and then lock the root again so that there would be no difference between a phone bought here. In my simple mind, the only difference between the China version and the EU version is just the firmware, is that correct?
I've read it's dangerous to flash and lock the root again though? Is that true?
Thanks a lot
hympe said:
is there a way to turn a Chinese version into an official European version?
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No.
hympe said:
In my simple mind, the only difference between the China version and the EU version is just the firmware, is that correct?
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No.
hympe said:
I've read it's dangerous to flash and lock the root again? Is that true?
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Yes. Lock bootloader in the way you thought is dangerous.
Ah right, thanks. May I ask why that's not possible? Just out of curiosity. What's the difference between a phone bought here and a phone bought in China and flashed EU? Is it the kernel?
hympe said:
May I ask why that's not possible?
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Designed intentionally.
hympe said:
Hello,
I've bought my Mi 11 Ultra from China and loving it. I've then rooted it and installed the EU fastboot version.
However, I don't like having to worry about Magisk and all the security issues that this process might entail therefore I'd like to ask a very simple question:
is there a way to turn a Chinese version into an official European version?
So basically I would like to just flash it with a EU official fw and then lock the root again so that there would be no difference between a phone bought here. In my simple mind, the only difference between the China version and the EU version is just the firmware, is that correct?
I've read it's dangerous to flash and lock the root again though? Is that true?
Thanks a lot
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You can install the official ROM from EEA (Europe) or Global and use your device normally and you will have no problem and everything will work. You just cannot lock the bootloader again on these ROMs.
Allexsander said:
You can install the official ROM from EEA (Europe) or Global and use your device normally and you will have no problem and everything will work. You just cannot lock the bootloader again on these ROMs.
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yes the problem is that you get security issues with most banking apps so you have to play around with Magisk. And I don't really need the bootloader to be unlocked cause i don't want custom ROMs, but apparently there isn't a solution
hympe said:
Hello,
I've bought my Mi 11 Ultra from China and loving it. I've then rooted it and installed the EU fastboot version.
However, I don't like having to worry about Magisk and all the security issues that this process might entail therefore I'd like to ask a very simple question:
is there a way to turn a Chinese version into an official European version?
So basically I would like to just flash it with a EU official fw and then lock the root again so that there would be no difference between a phone bought here. In my simple mind, the only difference between the China version and the EU version is just the firmware, is that correct?
I've read it's dangerous to flash and lock the root again though? Is that true?
Thanks a lot
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The EU is approved and based on the Chinese version but has the best of all the variants and works on all approved banking apps. Some people say it doesn't but have never tried.
I use the EU and have done for a few phones. I use Gpay, Lloyds Bank and most secure of all, Sky go. You can't even hide sky go using any Magisk hide app, yet it works fine with the EU. Someone said, BDO bank doesn't work, yes it does, just delete the empty twrp folder.
See screenshots of both security and DRM levels on this EU ROM phone. The boot loader stays visually unlocked but it works as if it is locked.
If you have any questions, please message me, I'll tell you straight if you are still worried.
hympe said:
yes the problem is that you get security issues with most banking apps so you have to play around with Magisk. And I don't really need the bootloader to be unlocked cause i don't want custom ROMs, but apparently there isn't a solution
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The unlocked bootloader doesn't give banks problems (at least here I never had), I had a CC9 Pro (CN), I unlocked the bootloader and put the official global ROM and used it normally, I had no problems with the banks. Understand that unlocking the bootloader and root are completely different things.
To my knowledge this is not possible!
While the CN version and the international version share many mobile bands they are not similar and it's not possible to change frequency bands. So the hardware will remain CN whichever ROM you flash....
As mentioned in the posts before you can flash different ROMs but only as long as the Bootloader is unlocked....
All correct, you can only relock the bootloader if you flash the original CN Rom, the one your phone came preinstalled with
Allexsander said:
You can install the official ROM from EEA (Europe) or Global and use your device normally and you will have no problem and everything will work. You just cannot lock the bootloader again on these ROMs.
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Hi Allexsander, the scenario you're mentioning is basically my current setup. I got a chinese version, unlocked the bootloader and installed the official EU rom. All my banking apps and google pay wouldn't work unless i flash Magisk. If you've had a different experience, please let me know
s3axel said:
To my knowledge this is not possible!
While the CN version and the international version share many mobile bands they are not similar and it's not possible to change frequency bands. So the hardware will remain CN whichever ROM you flash....
As mentioned in the posts before you can flash different ROMs but only as long as the Bootloader is unlocked....
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xNAPx said:
All correct, you can only relock the bootloader if you flash the original CN Rom, the one your phone came preinstalled with
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thanks guys, so basically the only option here is to have Magisk. No Magisk, no chance of using a CN version properly in Europe
Unfortunately nope, but I don't get what's wrong with using magisk
hympe said:
Hi Allexsander, the scenario you're mentioning is basically my current setup. I got a chinese version, unlocked the bootloader and installed the official EU rom. All my banking apps and google pay wouldn't work unless i flash Magisk. If you've had a different experience, please let me know
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What didn't work? Gpay and banking apps all work on EU ROM. Did you set your wallet to Gpay and HCE? What Bank apps are not working!
xNAPx said:
Unfortunately nope, but I don't get what's wrong with using magisk
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absolutely nothing to be honest. Just that Magisk has suddenly broken and my google pay isn't working anymore. SafetyNet has started failing
Sathelp said:
What didn't work? Gpay and banking apps all work on EU ROM. Did you set your wallet to Gpay and HCE? What Bank apps are not working!
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they weren't working as soon as i flashed with EU rom and installed the apps. I had to use Magisk to get them to run properly. Although now google pay no longer works
what's broken with magisk if I may?
hympe said:
Hi Allexsander, the scenario you're mentioning is basically my current setup. I got a chinese version, unlocked the bootloader and installed the official EU rom. All my banking apps and google pay wouldn't work unless i flash Magisk. If you've had a different experience, please let me know
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Are you using the Official Global ROM (EEA) or Xiaomi.eu? Here I'm using the Global version and everything works, I just unlocked the bootloader and installed the Global version.
xNAPx said:
what's broken with magisk if I may?
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Well basically this. It was working fine, then had to reinstall everything but still Google pay won't work. All other apps do though
Allexsander said:
Are you using the Official Global ROM (EEA) or Xiaomi.eu? Here I'm using the Global version and everything works, I just unlocked the bootloader and installed the Global version.
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Yes I'm using EU downloaded from the official website. Maybe I should try the global version?