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I have a nook color, I was wondering if anyone notices a very slight screen flicker like a low refresh rate? Most people would not notice. It doesn't bother me much but I wanted to see if its normal. I notice it most on a dark grey background at 50 percent or lower brightness.
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Yes! finally someone that notices it! I have been posting this on other forums. I notice it too on dark backgrounds with about 20-40% brightness, Not sure if it can ever be fixed with an update, but it is sometimes annoying, although not highly noticeable.
I have worked with computer enough that I can tell the refresh rate of a crt just by looking at it. If its normal I am not to worried I justed wanted to know if it was defective because ill switch it out before I root it.
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I get the same thing, very noticeable when you are changing the brightness setting. I use the lowest brightness to read an eBook, and I can really notice the flicker when I lower the brightness, but I can notice it when I get back to the reading screen.
I see it on darker images...its so subtle I ignore it.
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I still have mine stock... but I see it as well.
Anyone that has loaded any other apps notice it in those apps? i.e. does it flicker noticably in Angry Birds? or other apps?
thanks.
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I wonder if it being an IPS screen has anything to do with it. It doesnt bother me to much but causes more eye strain than reading from my htc g2. You would think they would make sure an ebook reader doesnt flicker. oh well i can deal with it.
sdelcegno said:
I wonder if it being an IPS screen has anything to do with it. It doesnt bother me to much but causes more eye strain than reading from my htc g2. You would think they would make sure an ebook reader doesnt flicker. oh well i can deal with it.
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It's not the screen, per se, but the LED's that are lighting it up. From what I've read, LED's can't vary output with respect to voltage (they're not dimmable), so you have to pulse them very fast to change the output. I assume that the lower the "level" the more the LED is off vs. on, hence the flicker.
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Go to Wikipedia, and look for :
/wiki/Backlight#Flicker_due_to_backlight_dimming
I'm pretty sensitive to this, but haven't noticed it on my iPad, but apparently it does it as well. I was wondering why the stock lowest brightness levels were so friggin' bright - probably at the threshold of flicker. You can dim more in a browser or ebook app, which is where I see reports of flicker.
Go to Discussions dot apple dot com
/thread.jspa?threadID=2398784
Another reason why I like my old CCFL IPS 12" ThinkPad X32!
-Dan
While you can dim an LED by limiting the current (either via inline resistors or with constant current drivers), you can only do so to a degree. Below a certain current, they will simply not light even though the current goes through the LED. On high performance LED's this is still at a pretty bright level. So instead you use PWM (Pulse Width Modulation) and vary the duty cycle to brighten and dim the LED. As the PWM is at a fixed frequency, with more or less of the cycle being lit or unlit, once the unlit portion becomes substantially longer than the Lit part, you can detect the "Flicker" if you are sensitive to it. This is usually particularly noticeable in the "corner of the eye" if you pan you vision across the area and the device gets paned across you field of vision.
This is done on all the new LED tail lights on cars as well and I hate seeing them at night, when they are almost making me nauseous from the flicker.
Good info thanks. Makes sense but wonder why I don't notice on my led backlit netbook. Guess every screen is different.
yea I really wish there was an update to fix this, but i guess it's just the screen, funny how I have never noticed this on any LCD screen I have ever had from computer to TV
three nook colors - my experience with flicker
My first nookColor had screen flicker, also a mind of its own with phantom taps. Nook #2. Did not have noticeable screen flicker but did have a handful of stuck pixels. Took it back and picked up #3. No stuck pixels, but I've got screen flicker on dark colors. Find it strange that nook #2 didn't have te problem with the flicker. I don't like the flicker at all but think it may be timento live with it.
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Has any one returned a flikering nook color and gotten a better one in return?
Hello, I am having a similar problem with angry birds. My screen sometimes will flash different colors and today the screen stayed completely red for 2 or 3 seconds while playing the game. But other than that I love the rooted nook color. Maybe the graphics chip is not powerful enough for this game.
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What you described with angry birds is not the problem I am having. Mine is screen flicker. My eye can basically detect the refresh rate with low brightness or in darker colors.
Tried to change it out. Would say that Best Buy is much easier to exchange things at than Barnes & Noble. Eventually they switched mine out and the new one had a dead pixel. They then let me open two more in store in the store all had dead pixels, so did their display model. All presented in the lower right hand corner of the screen. Would be covered up by the black menu bar normally, but visible when the black menu bar goes away.
Anyway I kept my flickering nook, and talked to someone at Barnes and Noble tech support on the phone. He told me the dead pixels were new to him, but they knew about screen flicker issues. He said they would be releasing a firmware update to address this and other problems very soon.
Just wanted to note that none of these nook colors were rooted.
Yes, same here, I have that on my Witstech A81 (resistive screen) too, more noticeable when the battery level drops. Never noticed this problem on my iPhones or iPad though...can't be Android related can it?
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What you described with angry birds is not the problem I am having. Mine is screen flicker. My eye can basically detect the refresh rate with low brightness or in darker colors.
Tried to change it out. Would say that Best Buy is much easier to exchange things at than Barnes & Noble. Eventually they switched mine out and the new one had a dead pixel. They then let me open two more in store in the store all had dead pixels, so did their display model. All presented in the lower right hand corner of the screen. Would be covered up by the black menu bar normally, but visible when the black menu bar goes away.
Anyway I kept my flickering nook, and talked to someone at Barnes and Noble tech support on the phone. He told me the dead pixels were new to him, but they knew about screen flicker issues. He said they would be releasing a firmware update to address this and other problems very soon.
Just wanted to note that none of these nook colors were rooted.
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Thanks. I can see the flicker too on gray screens. I have no other issues though (minus a tiny, tiny bit of give on the bottom bezel). I'll wait and hope it gets fixed in an update. I don't have a lot of time to keep exchanging a good unit.
If it is a known issue and a firmware fix is planed, then I am content with my rooted nook. Thanks for this thread.
I took mine back to B&N today to see if replacing it would fix it. Both store displays didn't have any flicker.
They opened two different nooks and they did the same flickering thing.
So I called Nook technical support. He put me on hold for about 5 minutes. He said he checked about 5 nooks and they all flickered. But he hadn't noticed it before.
So, he will put a ticket into the development team to have it looked at.
So, another confirmation that Nook tech support is aware and looking into it.
My first Nook did not display this behavior. I returned it due to creaking issues, and the replacement did display screen flicker.
I'm hoping it's a firmware issue and not a hardware one!
Currently not a big deal though...
So my display after being replaced 2 times in 6 months started flickering. My phone is very hard to be turned on because of the green flickering.
I just want to upgrade to a S6,S7 Edge or non edge. i just want to know if they have the save problem with displays ? I want to have a phone at least 2 years, can you recommand me a phone like that ?
I was just considering switching to a iPhone even though i prefer android on phones ... o how are S6,S7s displays ? Samsung still have the same problems?
Samsung improved a lot on screen quality in S6 and after, so you should be okay
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Samsung improved a lot on screen quality in S6 and after, so you should be okay
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So no more sudden flickering problem ? I mean i didnt even dropped the phone or something like that.
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So my display after being replaced 2 times in 6 months started flickering. My phone is very hard to be turned on because of the green flickering.
I just want to upgrade to a S6,S7 Edge or non edge. i just want to know if they have the save problem with displays ? I want to have a phone at least 2 years, can you recommand me a phone like that ?
I was just considering switching to a iPhone even though i prefer android on phones ... o how are S6,S7s displays ? Samsung still have the same problems?
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green flickering problem just for auto brightness problem (some custom Roms have this issues) if u will untick the auto brightness u will not have this problem
Not really, it has more issues on this "display green flickering " , on my S5 i dont get display on if the temperature around it getting cold .
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atakan1986 said:
Not really, it has more issues on this "display green flickering " , on my S5 i dont get display on if the temperature around it getting cold .
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Wow that's amazing. Been using samsung s5 exynos version for the last 1yr. Never had that kind of problem till date. And it have the same display as snapdragon version. And on comparison I found that this is by far the best display out there when compared to other brands.
Maybe perhaps you might be having a faulty unit from the begining.
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I have the same problem here with the display and it's not a software problem (same by original os 6 and same by cyanogenmod 14).
After the temperatures are under 10 C. i can't open my s5 with home button i must do it over the power button.
Using S5 for more than 28 months still I have not faced any issue. I just had to buy new charger apart from that not a single problem and yes I mess up with my phone so much but I still working and no display failure yet. And also I have dropped it many times, it still refuses to die.
You are just having a defective model or some internals of the phone are messed up. Because Samsh*t produces one of the best displays..
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I have the same problem here with the display and it's not a software problem (same by original os 6 and same by cyanogenmod 14).
After the temperatures are under 10 C. i can't open my s5 with home button i must do it over the power button.
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So when its over 10C its ok ? Then i should sell the phone when its summer )
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Using S5 for more than 28 months still I have not faced any issue. I just had to buy new charger apart from that not a single problem and yes I mess up with my phone so much but I still working and no display failure yet. And also I have dropped it many times, it still refuses to die.
You are just having a defective model or some internals of the phone are messed up. Because Samsh*t produces one of the best displays..
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At least for s5, the internet is full of this faulty displays, even my friends have same problem.
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So when its over 10C its ok ? Then i should sell the phone when its summer )
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Very simple but good idea my friend : )
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At least for s5, the internet is full of this faulty displays, even my friends have same problem.
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This may be problem for Snapdragon variant then.
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This may be problem for Snapdragon variant then.
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Maybe thats a point, but shouldnt only the processor be different? I assume the display is.the same for both...
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This may be problem for Snapdragon variant then.
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Nope, Exynos variant have this same problem
Im also facing green flickering and blinking at low brightness.
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Im also facing green flickering and blinking at low brightness.
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Its not a good sign. Try disabling your light sensor. Even then if you experience such a problem than it means that your flex cable that attaches the screen with the motherboard needs to be changed.
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Its not a good sign. Try disabling your light sensor. Even then if you experience such a problem than it means that your flex cable that attaches the screen with the motherboard needs to be changed.
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I try to disable Auto brightness. but in manual the problem is persist when when brightness is full low .
if brightness is normal it is normal
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At least for s5, the internet is full of this faulty displays, even my friends have same problem.
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Hi,
Yes and expect the same problems with the following generations. It's an amoled screen thing. The green colour happen when there's a colour displayed on the screen for a very long time (for example, I have a green on my screen of the size of my keyboard).
I think a solution to this problem is to set the display to turn off after 30s (it saves battery too) and maybe, if you're using a custom keyboard, change the colour from time to time. Use the brightness of the screen to a lowest which would still be comfortable to you (and auto unticked).
This last tip alone is enough to prevent greening. My flickering happened after an incredible fall (it had a tempered glass so the screen was safe). The flickering showed green what it had in memory.
Samsung has a 2-year guarantee for its products so you shouldn't worry for that period of time. Problem not solved, replacement.
Best of luck
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Hi,
Yes and expect the same problems with the following generations. It's an amoled screen thing. The green colour happen when there's a colour displayed on the screen for a very long time (for example, I have a green on my screen of the size of my keyboard).
I think a solution to this problem is to set the display to turn off after 30s (it saves battery too) and maybe, if you're using a custom keyboard, change the colour from time to time. Use the brightness of the screen to a lowest which would still be comfortable to you (and auto unticked).
This last tip alone is enough to prevent greening. My flickering happened after an incredible fall (it had a tempered glass so the screen was safe). The flickering showed green what it had in memory.
Samsung has a 2-year guarantee for its products so you shouldn't worry for that period of time. Problem not solved, replacement.
Best of luck
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The funny thing is i already did "by mistake" all the tips you said and still have this. Never dropped the phone though. This problems seems very big though, i expected a burn in to be the biggest problem, but to have flickering at a level that i cant turn on the phone. I wanted recently to switch to a Nexus 6p, but knowing that it uses Amoled too, its a bad ideea. So the only "solution" is to switch to IPS screens? (btw i want a phone that holds on for at least 3 years)
In my research thus far, the AMOLED screen technology is to blame. When the display circuits get old or damaged, they don't sustain current at low power settings. In LED screens, a back light controls brightness, but AMOLED screens send current to each pixel for brightness control. If the circuit is damaged, or any corrosion has built up inside, this could attenuate the current below the point required to sustain light flow. I see this problem with some LED and CFL lights on motion sensor switches. Just enough current goes through the motion sensor to keep it's circuits active, and that current causes a flicker in the light.
With the screen though, since the problem is only resolved when you increase the brightness just a bit above minimum, it seems anything that lowers the display power (auto brightness for example) will cause it to flicker if this setting gets too low. I also noticed that before the screen locks on timer, it dims to low power for a few seconds and flickers as a result. There are apps that attempt to resolve this by putting a translucent black screen over your desktop and apps. This keeps the power up on the pixels but adds a black overlay, kind of like a screen filter. You can adjust the darkness if you need it to save your eyes when reading in the dark but it doesn't help save power any. They also require a rooted device, which could void warranties. The reason for this I believe is because apps are supposed to operate in a way they don't intrude on each other, and a filter that lays over your screen does in fact alter the output of your display rendering. With the added security concerns of these apps possibly collecting screen shots and sending them to another site, I would avoid this. Best to use a physical screen overlay you can put on or remove as needed as long as it doesn't interfere with your touch screen options.
Ultimately, these devices were meant for replacement every 2 to 3 years so if you're like me and you like to make your investment last, best thing to do is apply any work around you can come up with. A repair shop may be able to wipe the circuit boards down with a solution that clears away corrosion, but it won't repair any weakened pixels. I'm still using a Samsung S5 G900F
- And i finally got this fixed. it sounds like the reason for this is that since the latest update your phone cannot decide whether to use hardware or software back light settings. I managed to make the problem go away by doing this:
Go to settings >> system >> About device.
Find "Build number" and click 6 times fast on it.
You will then get the message saying: "You are now a developer"
and then go back to Settings >> system >> Now you will see the "Developer Options"
Now go to Developer options >> Drawing Section or Rendering Section >> Find "Turn off hardware overlays" or "disable hardware overlays" >> This will force the phone to always use GPU for screen adjustments. no more flickering.
but If I turn the brightness ALL the way down, it still flickers like crazy, however, if that's the only time it'll do it, I consider that a win.
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Greetings,
Just received a used device and noticed my unit won't physically lower in brightness at around 25 percent. What I mean is that at around the 25 percent mark, I am unable to perceive it getting any lower when set at a lower percentage. I've also noticed that when I have the brightness at a high percentage and then quickly lower it to the minimum, that the display will at first be quite dim then will suddenly raise itself to a slightly brighter minimum. I do not have auto brightness on, nor any filter apps active while testing. Just wondering if this issue is isolated to my device. Thank you for reading my concern. If anything is unclear, I could try taking a video of the issues. Anyone else with these issues? I've searched the web to no avail.
i just bought a used device as well and mine has the same issues. the backlight seems to flicker on the second screen at low brightness and below about half the second screen is noticably dimmer. its unfortunate that they didn't put a lot of effort into the screen software or quality considering its the main gimmick of this phone, but it is made by ZTE after all. the price you probably paid for one of these things is a lot more representative of the quality than the original MSRP. But its still a fun gimmick even with all the flaws.
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i just bought a used device as well and mine has the same issues. the backlight seems to flicker on the second screen at low brightness and below about half the second screen is noticably dimmer. its unfortunate that they didn't put a lot of effort into the screen software or quality considering its the main gimmick of this phone, but it is made by ZTE after all. the price you probably paid for one of these things is a lot more representative of the quality than the original MSRP. But its still a fun gimmick even with all the flaws.
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Thanks for your thoughts and input. Yeah this is quite unfortunate on how the phone turned out. I also see the flicker on the second display. But as you mentioned, the device is indeed quite fun. I'm actually thoroughly enjoying the device especially with books and comics reading in the extended mode. I tend to do some late night reading, so that was the reason why I brought up the display issue as I had wanted to get the display as dim as possible before applying a filter. Hopefully one day we'll get root to check out if we can lower the display minimum brightness level along with other lower level system modifications.
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Thanks for your thoughts and input. Yeah this is quite unfortunate on how the phone turned out. I also see the flicker on the second display. But as you mentioned, the device is indeed quite fun. I'm actually thoroughly enjoying the device especially with books and comics reading in the extended mode. I tend to do some late night reading, so that was the reason why I brought up the display issue as I had wanted to get the display as dim as possible before applying a filter. Hopefully one day we'll get root to check out if we can lower the display minimum brightness level along with other lower level system modifications.
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apparently a few weeks ago someone released TWRP for this device. its not quite a root but it still gives you root access to change the build.prop and some low level system settings. TWRP is the sign that there is some kind of development happening but i wouldn't hedge your bets on anybody fixing the screen issues even with some kind of kernel modification
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apparently a few weeks ago someone released TWRP for this device. its not quite a root but it still gives you root access to change the build.prop and some low level system settings. TWRP is the sign that there is some kind of development happening but i wouldn't hedge your bets on anybody fixing the screen issues even with some kind of kernel modification
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That is definitely a most welcome update. I'm curious on what build your device is on since you mentioned having similar issues to mine. I am on b30 myself and will be flashing to b37 when I get a chance to see if there are any differences.
There is a noticeable red tint on dark grey color everywhere while the brightness slider is set in range of 0-49%. Effect is more pronounced while using 120hz refresh rate and less while using other modes. 50% and above and the tint just disappears.
Does anybody suffers with the same issue? This is indian variant of the phone.
Attached image can be used for testing.
This seems to be a problem with many ROG 2 owners. The Red tint is massive at low brightness. And yes, this is a screen problem not a software issue.
Better try replacing the unit. But there is no guarantee new phone won't have the same problem as many people are reporting this issue.
I think maybe Asus is buying cheaper display from some other manufacturer, not Samsung. Here is a similar complaint thread on Asus forums -
https://zentalk.asus.com/en/discussion/11085/display-red-tint-issue-on-my-rog-2
And if it very troublesome for you, simply return it, ask for refund and buy some other device.
I will probably do that but samsung has that stupid hole. I sold my op 7 pro for this.
But 1 thing that is interesting is at 60hz the red tint is visible at 0-10% range. And the higher the refresh rate the more brightness range it covers like at 120hz its visible at 0-40% range. At 50% nothing of such sort is visible at any refresh rate.
It mostly has to do with that 1ms gtg ie grey to grey response time at high refresh rate. And yes all units will have that issue maybe not at 60hz but definitely at 120hz.
Lets see if asus has any response. I still have my return window left.
And now you know why others don't have 120Hz AMOLED panels, and why reviewers complain about the minimum brightness being too bright. Asus tried to mitigate these issues because the panels are only acceptable above a certain brightness.
I have an Indian unit and have the red tint. I don't have an issue as i keep my screen at 50% brightness. Hope in Android 10 apps use black instead of dark grey for the dark mode
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I have an Indian unit and have the red tint. I don't have an issue as i keep my screen at 50% brightness. Hope in Android 10 apps use black instead of dark grey for the dark mode
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Reality is that most apps including google ones are going the way of dark grey background, not pure black.
Also always 50% brightness? Don't you turn it down in room with no lights or low lights?
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I will probably do that but samsung has that stupid hole. I sold my op 7 pro for this.
But 1 thing that is interesting is at 60hz the red tint is visible at 0-10% range. And the higher the refresh rate the more brightness range it covers like at 120hz its visible at 0-40% range. At 50% nothing of such sort is visible at any refresh rate.
It mostly has to do with that 1ms gtg ie grey to grey response time at high refresh rate. And yes all units will have that issue maybe not at 60hz but definitely at 120hz.
Lets see if asus has any response. I still have my return window left.
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You sold OP7 Pro for this? Seriously bro? I mean unless one is a gaming fanatic, ROG doesn't make sense for someone who wants a overall great experience. It was evident that Asus has cut corners at many places when they priced it so low.
Even if it's 60Hz, red tint shouldn't be there. It's an example of not a good display.
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You sold OP7 Pro for this? Seriously bro? I mean unless one is a gaming fanatic, ROG doesn't make sense for someone who wants a overall great experience. It was evident that Asus has cut corners at many places when they priced it so low.
Even if it's 60Hz, red tint shouldn't be there. It's an example of not a good display.
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OP7 Pro had its issues, I bought it on first sale. camera focus was not good, camera output was soft around corners while clicking text/documents for sharing. the screen though gorgeous looking was actually hard to use. i can recall a particular issue - i use phone pe and the menu for edit beneficiary was just in the screen space where it started to become edge and it required multiple touch to activate it.
actually rog 2 feels more premium in hand and the weight distribution is quite good as compared to op7 pro, it was top heavy. i have large hands so actual phone size was not the issue with either op7 pro or rog 2.
if one can ignore this red tint issue almost every aspect is better than op7 pro. screen above 50% brightness( which is actually not 50% screen brightness output, its just 50% slider) hdr in video playback works very well, its a quite brighter than op7 pro. Sharpness is less but only apparent on close viewing. Sound quality is better on speakers and louder too. Screen smoothness is much better. gets less hot then op7 pro, Cyber hunter on full was 47-48 on op7 pro, its 44-45 on rog ii. and the battery life is way better. There are much differences to be pointed out but the thread will grow.
Though the phone might not look professional in a meeting and i don't think it will receive timely android updates. But as a usable device i find this better than op 7 pro. If the grey management was not an issue this would have been almost unbeatable in its category and even in a higher category. op7 pro costed me 51.5k after bank discount, this costed 34k after bank discount.
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Reality is that most apps including google ones are going the way of dark grey background, not pure black.
Also always 50% brightness? Don't you turn it down in room with no lights or low lights?
Agree. Said just a hope. The objective of dark mode is also to take advantage of amoled which is not met by grey. Hoping common sense prevails.
I hardly use the mobile in low light, if i do, i dont turn the brightness down
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I'm swapping my Galaxy S8 in for this. How certain are we that this red tint is a hardware issue?
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I'm swapping my Galaxy S8 in for this. How certain are we that this red tint is a hardware issue?
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Definitely a hw issue. Its only notcieable between 15 to 30%. I wouldnt worry about it.
madsud said:
Abhi Dahiya said:
Reality is that most apps including google ones are going the way of dark grey background, not pure black.
Also always 50% brightness? Don't you turn it down in room with no lights or low lights?
Agree. Said just a hope. The objective of dark mode is also to take advantage of amoled which is not met by grey. Hoping common sense prevails.
I hardly use the mobile in low light, if i do, i dont turn the brightness down
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If you wanna see the issue:
1) go to a dark room or in a room with almost no light.
2) add "Screen Frequency" toggle in the status bar, and lower the status bar to show the toggles;
3) lower the brightness above 40-50%;
4) use the toggle to swap frequency from 60Hz, 90Hz and 120Hz.
You will notice the colour of the status bar itself changes… it's like is 80%grey and 20%red on 60Hz; 90%grey and 10%red on 90Hz, 50%grey and 50% red on 120Hz (it's like the status bar is dark-brown coloured).
And, then again, increase slowly the brightness: the status bar will be "magically" turn back to its natural color, dark grey.
This is a big issue for a smartphone which costs about 960American dollars here in Italy! I'm thinking about to return it...
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madsud said:
If you wanna see the issue:
1) go to a dark room or in a room with almost no light.
2) add "Screen Frequency" toggle in the status bar, and lower the status bar to show the toggles;
3) lower the brightness above 40-50%;
4) use the toggle to swap frequency from 60Hz, 90Hz and 120Hz.
You will notice the colour of the status bar itself changes… it's like is 80%grey and 20%red on 60Hz; 90%grey and 10%red on 90Hz, 50%grey and 50% red on 120Hz (it's like the status bar is dark-brown coloured).
And, then again, increase slowly the brightness: the status bar will be "magically" turn back to its natural color, dark grey.
This is a big issue for a smartphone which costs about 960American dollars here in Italy! I'm thinking about to return it...
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This means international version suffers with the same issue. What they have done to achieve such high refresh rates and such low response times must be the issue. Now if someone from asus can confirm if this tinting can be fixed via software update or not that will be the main factor for either keeping or returning the phone. The issue is already raised in zentalk forum and i have also commented there and the mod also has accepted the issue in his demo unit.
https://zentalk.asus.com/en/discussion/11085/display-red-tint-issue-on-my-rog-2
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It's so minor I've literally never noticed it (until using your test image just now) and I've been using this phone for almost a month now. I'm filing this under not an issue for me.
Not an issue for me. My brightness is pretty much always set to 50% and 90hz - never even noticed it. If you're running brightness down around 20% then you're either pretending to be on an Ethiopian diet, or you have an issue with over sensitivity of your retinas and should get it checked out asap
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It's so minor I've literally never noticed it (until using your test image just now) and I've been using this phone for almost a month now. I'm filing this under not an issue for me.
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This only affect night time usage with lights out or in low lit environments where you will keep your screen brightness low. Daytime usage is perfectly fine as 50% slider is not actually 50% screen brightness. So slider % remains high during day.
cheetah2k said:
Not an issue for me. My brightness is pretty much always set to 50% and 90hz - never even noticed it. If you're running brightness down around 20% then you're either pretending to be on an Ethiopian diet, or you have an issue with over sensitivity of your retinas and should get it checked out asap
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Its clearly mentioned that its a non issue with brightness slider in range 50% and above. So you wouldn't notice it.
And by the way if you are using that high of brightness in low lit or lights out environment then maybe you have less sensitive retina and maybe get it checked.
This will only affect people who use this for night time reading and naturally dim the screen to read comfortably. If people use normal day brightness at night this will be a non issue for them.
The main point is is this a hardware or a software issue. And i have already hypothesized why this might be happening. You can read the posts above.
sanurocks said:
This only affect night time usage with lights out or in low lit environments where you will keep your screen brightness low. Daytime usage is perfectly fine as 50% slider is not actually 50% screen brightness. So slider % remains high during day.
Its clearly mentioned that its a non issue with brightness slider in range 50% and above. So you wouldn't notice it.
And by the way if you are using that high of brightness in low lit or lights out environment then maybe you have less sensitive retina and maybe get it checked.
This will only affect people who use this for night time reading and naturally dim the screen to read comfortably. If people use normal day brightness at night this will be a non issue for them.
The main point is is this a hardware or a software issue. And i have already hypothesized why this might be happening. You can read the posts above.
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I don't think I would ever find myself in a pitch black room with just my phone and no other background light of any sort. I'm not that kinda guy
If you head over to the Asus forum, this is not a new issue. Asus have declared the reddish tint is normal behaviour of the screen at high Hz, so its hardware, not software, and operating as it should. Every handset will be exactly the same. If it bothers you too much, then maybe look at the Nubia Red 3S or Xiaomi Blackshark 2 instead. For me, its a non issue as like you said, i never drop below 50% brightness, and my retinas are poor, so I would never see it.. :fingers-crossed:
I always thought that xda subscribers were above fanboy-ism...
cheetah2k said:
I don't think I would ever find myself in a pitch black room with just my phone and no other background light of any sort. I'm not that kinda guy
If you head over to the Asus forum, this is not a new issue. Asus have declared the reddish tint is normal behaviour of the screen at high Hz, so its hardware, not software, and operating as it should. Every handset will be exactly the same. If it bothers you too much, then maybe look at the Nubia Red 3S or Xiaomi Blackshark 2 instead. For me, its a non issue as like you said, i never drop below 50% brightness, and my retinas are poor, so I would never see it.. :fingers-crossed:
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To each his own. :good:
Xebeck said:
I always thought that xda subscribers were above fanboy-ism...
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We are all fans of something! :laugh:
This is my first Asus phone, and I'm coming from a long line of samsungs (the latest being the Note10+) and for what I do with the ROG2, its performance creams anything Samsung has ever produced.. so, when a negligible issue like red tint (don't forget Samsung had blue, sony had red also in the past) I'm willing to forgive it because 99% of the time it doesnt affect me. If you call that fanboy-ism, then so be it..
Looks like, red tint in the display, issue is widespread in most of the ROG 2 phones .
Asus has confirmed the same, but refused to say, if it is a SW issue or HW issue.
ASUS India @asusindia
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Hi there, our team has identified this issue and we have given high priority to solve it as soon as possible. Request you to cooperate for the same.
sanurocks said:
There is a noticeable red tint on dark grey color everywhere while the brightness slider is set in range of 0-50%. Effect is more pronounced while using 120hz refresh rate and less while using other modes. 50% and above and the tint just disappears.
Does anybody suffers with the same issue? This is indian variant of the phone.
Attached image can be used for testing.
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Hi. I don't have any way to show this but my unit has what I think is backlight bleed when displaying a fully black (#000000) picture.
This bleeding is somehow especially visible at 35% (don't ask me why) and 100% brightness.
Now, it's only really visible when in the dark and when my eyes are used to it so it's not a big deal for daily use. However, this screen is supposed to be AMOLED which presumably works on the same principle of OLED displays.
My OnePlus 3T, with the same picture of a plain black background and with the brightness turned to the max shows no sign of any light whatsoever, as any true OLED display should.
My Zenfone 8 however has a weird pattern of tiny scattered dots and a few vertical lines you can barely make out all around the display and especially along the left edge of the display.
Can anyone with a Zenfone 8 check if they observe the same effect ? Like I said, it's only visible when your eyes are well accustomed to obscurity. I tried repeating the experiment yesterday when going to sleep and didn't see anything at first but I woke up later that night and sure enough, the same pattern was visible again.
In case you're doubting the file I used to test it out, here it is. A fully black pic. Of course you have to watch it in fullscreen so that no UI element can pollute your vision.
Any insight on what might be happening would be greatly appreciated.
Used your file and checked it in a pitch black place. Can't see nothing on full brightness. I still had the home-recent apps slider on the bottom but covered it with my finger. I couldn't tell where the screen is at all.
Maybe yours has some defect but if you cannot see it without hours of eyes adjustment than I think you are exaggerating quite a bit.
I've been using the LG V30 which also has OLED but it had a grey lighting always. Don't know why. This screen is much much better.
Kemez said:
Maybe yours has some defect but if you cannot see it without hours of eyes adjustment than I think you are exaggerating quite a bit.
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It's not like I was purposely trying to find flaws in the display. I was looking for a wallpaper while in bed and as I was zooming in a picture, I noticed as if what I initially thought were color variations in the image remained static on the screen. It wasn't due to a dirty screen. In doubt, I tested with the black picture and cranked the brightness to emphasize the issue and it was clear something was up.
So even if this issue can't be seen during the day, it's still something that can be seen in normal use when using the phone in the dark.
I just went from the my PC to a dark room and tried to reproduce it with brightness at 35% and I could see it in a matter of seconds.
One of the key factors that made me buy this phone in the first place is the AMOLED display. If it's actually defective, I might as well get it replaced. I would just like to know if it's worth the hassle or if every unit has that defect maybe due to something in the manufacturing process.
Can't see anything like that on mine. Totally black everywhere. Try exchanging the phone. Or just give it back and get another so they will not try to repair it.
Thank you very much for your feedback.
The only way the pixels can light is if they have current. Otherwise they are black as night.
Bad firmware or defective hardware.
Try clearing the system cache.
My display has that too, but only at 60 and 120 hz. At 90 Hz, the Dysplay is without lighting, so black as it should.
blackhawk said:
Try clearing the system cache.
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I don't have the option in the bootloader to reset the system cache, only "wipe data/factory reset".
I selected it thinking it would let me choose what to wipe but then it warned me about permanently deleting everything so I nope out of there.
Any other way I can do that ?
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My display has that too, but only at 60 and 120 hz. At 90 Hz, the Dysplay is without lighting, so black as it should.
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Uh, interesting. I'll give this a try as well.
Nekrozys said:
I don't have the option in the bootloader to reset the system cache, only "wipe data/factory reset".
I selected it thinking it would let me choose what to wipe but then it warned me about permanently deleting everything so I nope out of there.
Any other way I can do that ?
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It's in Settings somewhere under storage or memory.
On Samsung's it's on the boot menu.
Lol, a factory reset will definitely clear it
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My display has that too, but only at 60 and 120 hz. At 90 Hz, the Dysplay is without lighting, so black as it should.
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That's it! I got the same behavior. Perfect black at 90hz, grey goo at 60 and 120. Since I'm not the only one, I suppose this is "normal". I guess that must be some sort of compromise they had to make for the display and they hoped people wouldn't notice.
It's a shame but at least I'm relieved knowing the screen works well at 90Hz. Since the 120Hz was not one of the key features I was looking for, this doesn't feel too bad a compromise to deal with.
Thank you everyone for your time and replies.
Interesting, I hope this is a software issue that can be fixed with an update...
Same.. When viewing black wallpaper @60/120 hz, it got scattered gray all over the place with a vertical line in the middle. Noticeable if you're in a dark room. Glad i'm not the only one
Alright, so I was able to capture a long exposure photo of the phone on a black screen. The issue appears on 60 and 120Hz like mentionned above. I found that it is more apparent on the 120Hz mode than 60Hz. 90Hz is flawless. The effect is kind of exagerrated, but it was the only way to visibly capture it.
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Alright, so I was able to capture a long exposure photo of the phone on a black screen. The issue appears on 60 and 120Hz like mentionned above. I found that it is more apparent on the 120Hz mode than 60Hz. 90Hz is flawless. The effect is kind of exagerrated, but it was the only way to visibly capture it.View attachment 5350315
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Also during restart, the "Zenfone" loading screen appears like that in dark room.
Same behavior here, 120 and 60Hz are not truly black. 90Hz is.
Quick reply to add here that for those that use the phone at 60Hz, you can enable DC Dimming, that solved the issue for my device. 120Hz still needs to be figured out though...
Adaoh said:
Quick reply to add here that for those that use the phone at 60Hz, you can enable DC Dimming, that solved the issue for my device. 120Hz still needs to be figured out though...
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Interesting.
DC dimming can reportedly have its own drawbacks as well like skewing color rendering.
What is DC Dimming & Why it's Important for AMOLED Smartphones? - Gizmochina
OLED panels have a lot of advantages. They have better color accuracy and contrasts (including better blacks) and are thinner and brighter than traditional LCD panels. So, it’s no surprise that smartphone manufacturers are shifting to OLED panels for their smartphones. Even the mid-range ones...
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after further investigation and trying to replicate on several ZF8's, it seems that this is a normal behavior. The questions is: is it hardware or software?