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This will filter through to other regions with time.
Welcome to Android 13 Ladies / Gents
Yeah I can confirm it's out for galaxy tab s8 ultra. Since mine received it, but the multi bar att the bottom disappeared now, since it was there in Android 12L.
Has anybody Odin flashed it to an x900 US model? I'm starting to get impatient
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Yeah I can confirm it's out for galaxy tab s8 ultra. Since mine received it, but the multi bar att the bottom disappeared now, since it was there in Android 12L.
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Yes I seen android 13 for tab s8, +, and ultra. I have the s8 plus but wifi only. In America the only way you can buy 5g sim tray is if you buy through phone carrier but then its no bootloader unlock and root. Sucks so I have to wait until wifi verison hits.
How does android 13 work on the tab?
Is it better or not?
By chance do you use viper and if so does it work on a13?
I have tried everything on a12 and nothing works. Love the tab s8 plus its better than s6 in everyway except no viper and its kills me.
So far, it's been a breeze for me. It got all the goodies from A12L, including the task bar.
One thing people are complaining about is the ability to extract text from images in the gallery, which Samsung may be pushing it strictly for a Pen feature.
A13 is solid. I've been a Beta test for the S21 series, and i can say that A13 is really stable and fluid.
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So far, it's been a breeze for me. It got all the goodies from A12L, including the task bar.
One thing people are complaining about is the ability to extract text from images in the gallery, which Samsung may be pushing it strictly for a Pen feature.
A13 is solid. I've been a Beta test for the S21 series, and i can say that A13 is really stable and fluid.
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You have a sim model right? We can't buy model in the US unless it's carrier locked.
PlutoDelic said:
So far, it's been a breeze for me. It got all the goodies from A12L, including the task bar.
One thing people are complaining about is the ability to extract text from images in the gallery, which Samsung may be pushing it strictly for a Pen feature.
A13 is solid. I've been a Beta test for the S21 series, and i can say that A13 is really stable and fluid.
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I forgot do you have TWRP and the kernel installed from here or telegram?
Are you rooted?
I just want to know ill have root when it drops. Of course I can patch the AP right if those dont work?
Techguy777 said:
You have a sim model right? We can't buy model in the US unless it's carrier locked.
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Yes, EUX CSC.
Techguy777 said:
I forgot do you have TWRP and the kernel installed from here or telegram?
Are you rooted?
I just want to know ill have root when it drops. Of course I can patch the AP right if those dont work?
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No root. To be honest, i havent rooted a Samsung product in ages.
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Yes, EUX CSC.
No root. To be honest, i havent rooted a Samsung product in ages.
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Then why are you in the xda twrp thread? this is becoming super common and it makes no sense.
Techguy777 said:
Then why are you in the xda twrp thread? this is becoming super common and it makes no sense.
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Check the thread title mate.
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Check the thread title mate.
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I was in the wrong thread lol. I thought it was twrp thread. I clicked on your comment on the side and didnt realize.
x900 Europe versions are on sammobile
IFNg said:
x900 Europe versions are on sammobile
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Yes they even have the wifi plus version.
PDA/AP Version X800XXU2BVK4
csc Version X800OXM2BVK4
Did anyone noticed if samsung in android 13 changelog have new virtualization system support, which has google pixels 6 android 13 support?
Pixel 6 can run windows 11 through this new virtualization android 13 have. Can we do it in galaxy tab s8 ultra?
Am I allowed to talk about other models? I've just installed the Android 13 update on my Tab S8 5G (706B) EUX (rooted). Everything seems to be working OK so far! I don't see any obvious improvement, but that's probably because the upgrade from Android 12 to 12L was revolutionary to me!
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Am I allowed to talk about other models? I've just installed the Android 13 update on my Tab S8 5G (706B) EUX (rooted). Everything seems to be working OK so far! I don't see any obvious improvement, but that's probably because the upgrade from Android 12 to 12L was revolutionary to me!
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It's a bigger upgrade on a phone I think. My OnePlus 8 Pro is far more stable with 13 and apps can't randomly start sending notifications after you block them. We're mostly excited to see if Samsung gave us KVM access in 13 like Google did for the Pixel so we can run Windows in an app on the tablet when we need to.
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I haven't install One UI 2.1 on my N960N yet. I was just wondering how it fares compared to One UI 2.0? As the most of you know the issue I had was with the Secure Folder and updating Wechat via Google on it.
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I haven't install One UI 2.1 on my N960N yet. I was just wondering how it fares compared to One UI 2.0? As the most of you know the issue I had was with the Secure Folder and updating Wechat via Google on it.
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well don't know about 960N but on my 960F so far its almost same as 2.0. only few new feature updates and the new deep sleep feature. all apps works well. no issue with secure folder aswell. so far i don't feel any battery improvements tho! im thinking of during factory reset and do a fresh start to see if that improves anything.
I just update my N960N to the latest version of Android 10 with OneUI 2.1 and so far it seems to have fixed some of the issues I had with the first release of Android 10 for the Note 9. Not sure about the Secure Folder as I have yet to test that.
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well don't know about 960N but on my 960F so far its almost same as 2.0. only few new feature updates and the new deep sleep feature. all apps works well. no issue with secure folder aswell. so far i don't feel any battery improvements tho! im thinking of during factory reset and do a fresh start to see if that improves anything.
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You would probably need to wait a few weeks for the AI to learn your habits before the battery performance improves
How are you guys getting this update? It doesn't appear to be available to me, yet. I'm on the USA T-mobile SM-N960U.
It has also not arrived on my N960F here in Bulgaria. Month is not over though so I'll just wait, no hurry.
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How are you guys getting this update? It doesn't appear to be available to me, yet. I'm on the USA T-mobile SM-N960U.
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N960U/U1/9600 is snapdragon model and probably 2.1 update will get in july or August
For now only Exynos models N960F/N960N are getting this update
My ( Xfinity Mobile) N960U got 2.1 this morning.
The first thing that I noticed was when I fired up Messages I was greeted with a dialog informing me about chat via text using Google's services.
Does that mean that Samsung is finally enabling RCS?
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My ( Xfinity Mobile) N960U got 2.1 this morning.
The first thing that I noticed was when I fired up Messages I was greeted with a dialog informing me about chat via text using Google's services.
Does that mean that Samsung is finally enabling RCS?
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What's the build number? Might install it now since AT&T will be slow.
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My ( Xfinity Mobile) N960U got 2.1 this morning.
The first thing that I noticed was when I fired up Messages I was greeted with a dialog informing me about chat via text using Google's services.
Does that mean that Samsung is finally enabling RCS?
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This could be ODIN'd onto my (AT&T) 960U, right?
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What's the build number? Might install it now since AT&T will be slow.
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I didn't see your comment as I was typing my question.
Gonna try to get this on my AT&T 960U tonight. If you can get it on and running, drop a note in this thread?
Good luck.
Yes you should be able to use on At&t. I just checked Frija and Samfirm it's not on either
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Yes you should be able to use on At&t. I just checked Frija and Samfirm it's not on either
Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk
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You don't see it? I can find this: https://www.sammobile.com/samsung/galaxy-note9/firmware/SM-N960U/CCT/download/N960USQU4ETF3/346220/
Lol when I checked it wasn't showinh
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Downloading now. I have used the comcast releases on AT&T without issues so far so downloading now. Will update when I get things done which might be tomorrow.
Just finished the update and checking things out. On AT&T and used the CCT version. Got app updates etc but so far so good. 2.1
Same here. Getting things setup. Running just fine so far. Used Comcast on At&t
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I can't get Frija to pull it up.... I'm entering the info exactly like your screenshot... Am I missing something? A setting that I needed to change?
I never heard of Frija, I just looked it up and installed it. It was no help. I'm guessing the update for my phone hasn't been released yet. I'm on the T-mobile USA variant. Frija gave me the version I already had, which doesn't include 2.1.
One UI 2.1 N960USQU4ETF3
https://mega.nz/file/zh5w1C5b#ArEXpeDakYmWIJEE-mWq6QePxHv-ytsJ9oJiMX3R1w4
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I guess this will be the last major update for our beloved Galaxy Note 9. Long story short, this update is amazing! The first thing I noticed after the update was the clear dark screen (it was a bit yellowish after few updates previously thought it was a defect but turns out to be software related). Not only that some cool features like:
Wireless DeX
SOS Messaging every 30min if location changes
Video Pro Mode Histogram, 24 FPS on 4K and 1080p Pro Mode Video
Keyboard Split when on landscape
I actually flashed the stock rom of Germany on my XSG device and seriously this is the best decision ever! Fluid performance and decent battery life!
EDIT
*Hey guys many of my subscribers been complaining about yellow tint or so called discoloration. I had it on my local ROM as well but flashing Germany ROM fixed it. No overheat, no discoloration, excellent performance and battery. So if you want to end these issues than follow this video
The thing i wanted the most was wireless dex and it's there all the other things are extra bonuses which i love as well. Good lock modules too.
And they call it ***an update***? Except Wireless DEX barely any notable worthy changes. Camera was crap and still is.
And they call it *** update ***? Except for the Wireless DEX, hardly any notable changes. The camera was **** and still is.
I cannot turn off spellcheck underline after update, the option is off but its still showing.
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Did anyone notice that the low light video recording looks way less noisy compared to the previous updates on the Exynos model. Makes me very angry that it took so long to fix these issues. I will never recommend buying new Samsung devices again.
Camera update?! Only pro video mode?
Got the update on Spectrum! 2.5 is here. Downloading now.
Haven't gotten it on my N9 yet, but just received it on my Tab S6. Finally! I can use the full screen gestures on Nova Launcher! Can't wait you get it on my unlocked Note using the TMO firmware. There's the only thing that had completely bummed me out with the upgrade to Android 10 - third party launchers lost a lot of their usability with the upgrade & I hate having to use OneUI without being did to use Nova....
Mic selection toggle is unavailable on the NOTE 9
I've upgraded it mostly to get the Mic selection option but it's an s10+ or later exclusive... such a shame !!!
Is that a method ti get the s10+ camera apk into N9 without root?
The funny thing is that the N9 app is a newer version so it's impossible to downgrade via apks...
SMH...
Regretfully the Galaxy Note9 on my hand is still running One UI 2.1, though the firmware is already the latest one.
Note: the actual model of my Galaxy Note9 is SM-N9600 under TGY.
T-mobile GN9 user here, still don't have the update. I'm in the USA (California, specifically). According to this site, it's listed as Coming Soon for the USA and Canada. I tried forcing to lookup the update (by checking for software updates in settings), no luck.
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T-mobile GN9 user here, still don't have the update. I'm in the USA (California, specifically). According to this site, it's listed as Coming Soon for the USA and Canada. I tried forcing to lookup the update (by checking for software updates in settings), no luck.
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Not released for USA yet. You guys often seem to be the last in getting updated. No idea if it's because you've got Snapdragon CPUs and not Exynos or it's just a carrier thing.
Got the update this morning, on T-mobile in California (USA).
Alright, so now that we've got it, can someone explain to me how to use Wireless DeX? Specifically, I'm unclear about the connection requirements.
Damn it!
I must not understand how this works... I've got a 960U1 (US unlocked) & I'm on TMO. I expected to get the update via TMO but apparently not.
What gives? Does anyone know?
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Damn it!
I must not understand how this works... I've got a 960U1 (US unlocked) & I'm on TMO. I expected to get the update via TMO but apparently not.
What gives? Does anyone know?
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I dunno if anyone understands how it works.
I have the U1 on TMO as well. No update.
I think it will come eventually, but the rollout schedule of these things makes zero sense.
Edit: Maybe the rollout schedule is prioritized to service all carrier models first, then the U1 last.
@lazarus0000
Received the update this morning on Old Folks Cellular (Consumer Cellular - unlocked N9). lol.
CC is affiliated w/ AT&T and TM, so hopefully you will receive the update soon.
Does anyone know the apk file name for the "Send SOS Messages?"
Can I assume the One UI update is the one starting with F? Like “FTJ8”. The SM-N9600 (the model I've got) has only got an F series firmware for Open China, but I guess that one doesn't have Google services.
There's another recent update, ETK2, but I don't think it's One UI 2.5.
Finally! Woke up this morning & it was an early Christmas! And, like Christmas, slow slow slow to get here!
But I can finally go back to using Nova Launcher & get the best Sammie has to offer and the sweet goodness of a customer launcher that does everything I want it to!
Malaysia XME also got this update just now!!
Got an update this morning, just Nov security patch, no one ui 2.5 here in brasil
Anyone know how I could manually update to android 11 on my s20 fe? I am in canada and I believe my phone is one of the only fe models that hasnt received any updates, and all canadian phone carriers currently have no info on when they will release the update. The phone model is SM-G781W. If anyone could help me that would be great
I tried like 6 of the canadien carriers in the frija software and the latest firmware is android 10.
steveo314 said:
I tried like 6 of the canadien carriers in the frija software and the latest firmware is android 10.
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its so annoying i really want android 11
tman4450 said:
its so annoying i really want android 11
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I'm one of the ones that's missing out on the ATT updates in the US. I know your pain. I'm on Android 10. I'm about to load the TMobile firmware on my S20 FE.
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I'm one of the ones that's missing out on the ATT updates in the US. I know your pain. I'm on Android 10. I'm about to load the TMobile firmware on my S20 FE.
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Yeah, no Canadian carriers have android 11 yet so it doesnt seem i even have that option
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Lmao s20 fe isnt even on any of the os upgrade schedule of any canadian carriers
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Lmao s20 fe isnt even on any of the os upgrade schedule of any canadian carriers
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I think it's assumed with the other S20 models. Is that for the Canadian devices though?
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I think it's assumed with the other S20 models. Is that for the Canadian devices though?
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yes this for canadian devices, this is telus's list. however other canadian carriers such as rogers have the s20 fe listed but no planned update dates. Instead of a date like they have for the rest of the devices and the other s20 series its just a dash, no date
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I think it's assumed with the other S20 models. Is that for the Canadian devices though?
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the last update for the s20 fe from canadian carriers was December 15th, so if those s20 models were to be assumed to include the s20 fe it makes no sense that there hasnt been an update on jan 26th right? Starting to get a lil sad
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yes this for canadian devices, this is telus's list. however other canadian carriers such as rogers have the s20 fe listed but no planned update dates. Instead of a date like they have for the rest of the devices and the other s20 series its just a dash, no date
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I almost got a Pixel 5 but decided to get the S20 FE. There is too much passing around of the updates if it's like a Samsung device. Google to Samsung to carrier. Instead of straight from Google.
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I almost got a Pixel 5 but decided to get the S20 FE. There is too much passing around of the updates if it's like a Samsung device. Google to Samsung to carrier. Instead of straight from Google.
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this is fido canadas os update schedule, see what i mean this is kinda dumb
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this is fido canadas os update schedule, see what i mean this is kinda dumb
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The Pixels should be getting another update no problem within the next couple days.
the S20 FE Canadian model is G781W.
Can we flash via ODIN or another method a US firmware like G781V or G781U? it is the exact same hardware!
I couldn't do it via Odin.
Any ideas?
kazamaza said:
the S20 FE Canadian model is G781W.
Can we flash via ODIN or another method a US firmware like G781V or G781U? it is the exact same hardware!
I couldn't do it via Odin.
Any ideas?
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I don't think it will support your CSC
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I don't think it will support your CSC
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Yeah ok, changing the CSC is the easiest thing to do.
I read in December we might not get the update until near the end of February. Rogers tend to update their schedule on Friday. I'll keep an eye on their forum tomorrow.
It seems February 16 is the date according to fido's webpage
Same for Rogers
OS Upgrade Schedule
*Making sure these dates are accurate is our top priority. Sometimes things change beyond our control so all dates are subject to change. Thank you for your understanding.
communityforums.rogers.com
Rogers may be getting it today acording to the web site . Rogers, TELUS, Fido, Koodo, & Bell Android 11 update tracker (piunikaweb.com)
The updates will be released for batch wise, we do not have exact date when it will get the update.
Got above response when asked samsung on chat, kinda useless asking samsung, they should know. When asked why telus and rogers have dates not bell she didnt have a answer other than you will be notified when there is a update.
Greetings community, I wanted to know if there is any way to enable volte vowifi on the device, thank you very much in advance
go to Settings -> mobile network -> tap your sim at the top -> enable VoLTE and Wi-Fi Calling
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go to Settings -> mobile network -> tap your sim at the top -> enable VoLTE and Wi-Fi Calling
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Thanks for your answer, it turns out that I am in a country where my operator is not approved so those options do not appear, I had an op8 pro which was done by the logkit method in oos 11 but with oos 12 log kit does not work if anyone knows a method of forcing them I am very grateful.
Mine just worked from the off. It does turn off from time to time, depends where I am
i need this too..
I'm in the same situation.
My carrier activated VoLTE to my 7 Pro back in 2019 and i used till yesterday (when i made the update to OxygenOS 12), through OnePlus Logkit since OnePlus always refused to give me that option...
If anyone knows how it can be done, it would be fantastic.
Thanks
CMC_PUBLIKUM said:
I'm in the same situation.
My carrier activated VoLTE to my 7 Pro back in 2019 and i used till yesterday (when i made the update to OxygenOS 12), through OnePlus Logkit since OnePlus always refused to give me that option...
If anyone knows how it can be done, it would be fantastic.
Thanks
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Did you find a way? I just upgraded to this bs version and lost so many features.
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Did you find a way? I just upgraded to this bs version and lost so many features.
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No. As far as I can tell, at least till now there's no way unless we root the phone.
This is honestly unacceptable how major features like this are deactivated due to nobody taking ownership. This vendor is becoming a joke. I recon this will be my last oneplus phone. Might as well pay a few extra hundred dollars and mitigate the risk of bricked functionality.
Gen8Master said:
This is honestly unacceptable how major features like this are deactivated due to nobody taking ownership. This vendor is becoming a joke. I recon this will be my last oneplus phone. Might as well pay a few extra hundred dollars and mitigate the risk of bricked functionality.
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Forget it. Since July 2019 that I'm asking them for an official Logkit that give us the switch to enable VoLTE.
They said that it might be my ISP that didn't activate it, then when I said to them that Vodafone Portugal had successfully activated it even OnePlus smartphones weren't on their "white list", they simply didn't care and never sent it to me.
Then I found the Logkit here and I successfully used, without ANY issue, till I updated to Android 12, 2 or 3 weeks ago.
Always an HTC client (well done HTC... ) and this is my first, and unfortunately the last, OnePlus smartphone.
I really like this 7 Pro; it still works very well and it doesn't have punch holes or any sh* for the front camera (which I don't use) so it has been perfect but the behaviour from OnePlus regarding VoLTE and updates. Remember how they bragged in September 2019 for releasing an update right after Pixel phones. After that was the disgrace we've seen with late updates, stable updates with bugs (don't quite understand the intention of having a beta program if some bugs on the stable version we're reported since beta 1 in some cases I read in the OnePlus community).
They simply don't care about their customers (only the ones that are always licking their... well, feet.
Now, it's funny to see the path they are going, being more and more swallowed by the mother company.
waldoud said:
Greetings community, I wanted to know if there is any way to enable volte vowifi on the device, thank you very much in advance
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i need this too..
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I'm in the same situation.
My carrier activated VoLTE to my 7 Pro back in 2019 and i used till yesterday (when i made the update to OxygenOS 12), through OnePlus Logkit since OnePlus always refused to give me that option...
If anyone knows how it can be done, it would be fantastic.
Thanks
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[NE2213] How to enable VoLTE (OnePlus 10 Pro 5G)I think my how to "enable VoLTE" guide is the first on XDA for OnePlus 10 Pro
I agree with everyone in this thread. I have the exact same experience with VoLTE and VoWLAN suddenly not working any more because of the update to OxygenOS 12.1 after many years of it working flawlessly.
And I have the same oppinion about OnePlus and the 7 Pro.
Several sources are reporting this. e.g.:
When to expect One UI 5.1 update for your Samsung Galaxy device
Samsung may have officially announced the One UI 5.1 release today (February 15), but the company has already been rolling ...
www.sammobile.com
One UI 5.1 update rollout February timeline is here
If the discussion is about any smartphone’s customized User Interface, Samsung’s One UI will surely come up. The One UI has a wide lineup of essential features, and its update program is also better than
samlover.com
Seems credible enough. Let the countdown begin...
FerretallicA said:
Several sources are reporting this. e.g.:
When to expect One UI 5.1 update for your Samsung Galaxy device
Samsung may have officially announced the One UI 5.1 release today (February 15), but the company has already been rolling ...
www.sammobile.com
One UI 5.1 update rollout February timeline is here
If the discussion is about any smartphone’s customized User Interface, Samsung’s One UI will surely come up. The One UI has a wide lineup of essential features, and its update program is also better than
samlover.com
Seems credible enough. Let the countdown begin...
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awesome I hope they give us the camera updates but they never do. I haven't looked at the new 5.1 ui to see what it has
Just receiced the OTA, Samsung's on a frenzy.
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Just receiced the OTA, Samsung's on a frenzy.
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If I may ask, what county are you in?
Collchuuk said:
If I may ask, what county are you in?
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You can see a list of available region firmwares here:
Download Samsung Galaxy Tab S8 SM-X700 firmware
Download the latest Samsung firmware for Galaxy Tab S8 with model code SM-X700. Check out our free download or super fast premium options.
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Looks like it's only Europe (EUX) so far, but I just downloaded SM-X906B_2_20230214201300_x53aw1b49w_fac.zip.enc4 via Frija and it flashed wtihout a hitch.
Can you spot any tablet specific improvements?
Did they finally fix the lag especially after deep sleep?
Can we finally use third party launchers with proper gestures on homescreen?
How are the animations?
Hello ,
the 5G versions have already had the last update in February. Why the wifi version ( x900 , x700 ) still does not have it?
Did anyone in the US receive One UI for the Wifi variant of the Galaxy Tab S8+?
They say battery life in 5.1 is very bad..
Do "they"? I've had no new issues at all with battery life on the latest firmware.
FerretallicA said:
Do "they"? I've had no new issues at all with battery life on the latest firmware.
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In which device?
Yes i have read many in phone they say 40% worse battery life.
Collchuuk said:
Did anyone in the US receive One UI for the Wifi variant of the Galaxy Tab S8+?
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Any update, why there is no update?
Has anyone received the One UI 5.1 update for US Wi-Fi models?
Just got 5.1 on my UK WiFi model 8+
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Do you see changes in battery?
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Do you see changes in battery?
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Standby battery has been good
I installed it also. Haven't noticed any difference actually. Next days will know if battery has any difference. Standby is fine.
I'm downloading the update now on my S8+ in the US.
Just got it. (Tab S8+ Wi-Fi US [SM-X800])
Update mine S8plus 5G on 7th. Battery is good. no problem at all.