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huawei p20 pro vs other phones

because i couldn't find any threads about how the phone functions after a year.
im coming from a samsung galaxy s8 witch broke after a year, and i am hesitating between the huawei p20 pro and the xiaomi mi 8 128gb.
how is the camera(selfie in particiular) on both phones? and is the fixed focus of the p20pro really a problem?
how is the battery doing under heavy usage? are they both considered 'fast phones' after a year?
really hate my galaxy s8 and want to buy another phone in a week.

rbyptr said:
because i couldn't find any threads about how the phone functions after a year.
im coming from a samsung galaxy s8 witch broke after a year, and i am hesitating between the huawei p20 pro and the xiaomi mi 8 128gb.
how is the camera(selfie in particiular) on both phones? and is the fixed focus of the p20pro really a problem?
how is the battery doing under heavy usage? are they both considered 'fast phones' after a year?
really hate my galaxy s8 and want to buy another phone in a week.
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I wouldn't say the P20 Pro is considered a particularly fast phone going by current CPU standards. Set up right though it can still fly and it has the hardware to make itl a true powerhouse still. I think Mi8 will still be quicker if set up right.
I never use selfie camera really but I still don't think it's the best, can't compare with Mi8..
I love the P20 Pro really for the..
-Minimal notch, blacked out of course, implemented in the right way.
-Front fingerprint sensor and general awesome navigation hub it is (when onscreen buttons disabled) - maximising screen real estate
-Battery life
-EMUI! Yes, I like it and the ultimate control it gives you over apps (apart from a few system apps of course)

rbyptr said:
because i couldn't find any threads about how the phone functions after a year.
im coming from a samsung galaxy s8 witch broke after a year, and i am hesitating between the huawei p20 pro and the xiaomi mi 8 128gb.
how is the camera(selfie in particiular) on both phones? and is the fixed focus of the p20pro really a problem?
how is the battery doing under heavy usage? are they both considered 'fast phones' after a year?
really hate my galaxy s8 and want to buy another phone in a week.
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phone still perform swiftly after years and around 7 firmware updates (on PIE now) - never wiped data even once since bought
dont expect it to match SD845 though, it wont,
rear camera is splendid, especially when you know how to use it better along the time you use it (early user might confused, disappointed and else, but most of seasoned photographer turned out like it)
selfie wont compete at all with your S8. S8 has autofocus on front cam. And that alone will give you much better selfie, anytime, anyday.
Selfie from this phone is not bad by any mean, it just you need to get a grasp on the optimum distance of its fixed focus lens, and turn down the exposure (this feature only avail after PIE), else it will try to lighten your face a lot (i guess this style is favourable in asia and probably india).
Battery will beat your S8 day and night, even after year usage i never had issue with battery life.
Mi8 rear cam is good, but once you know how to use P20 cam, it wont match the P20 one,
best bet on Mi8 is by using Gcam pixel 3 port. It boost the results a lot, but still with lack flexibility of manual set up (if this was not you thing, going Mi 8 route is fine i guess) - coz, Mi 8 has better development scheme ongoing. You can use custom PIE ROM and any other mod in easier manner.
if you decide to get P20 pro, better stay on stock EMUI (it has less quirk compared to stock MIUI to be honest - am using Redmi Note 5 Ai as 2ndary phone FYI). Just root, debloat a bit and tweak some stuff (adblock, LKT, disable swap, etc) its good enough for 8/9 out of 10 daily conditions you would expect as smartphone users.
thing you probably will miss from S8 (i used S8 for few months as well) would be : edge shotcut, front cam auto focus, build-in clipboard feature (well at least those are for me)

Am I crazy out Huawei is actually one step ahead now?

Hello everyone, I am a huge Samsung fan (not a fanboy though) I use whatever feels right and I always have 2 phones. Currently note 9 and an iPhone ... iPhone was a mistake so looking to trade it with a new Android and I thought it will be the s10 but .....
does anyone else thinks mate 20 pro was and still better buy than s10 series?
I mean triple cameras, but with a main 40mp sensor 3x optical zoom and dedicated night mode and super macro mode in mate 20 pro? Given that videos are much worse than a budget phone from Samsung but it also offer that crazy cinematic video effects.
Mate 20 has the wireless projection to a TV Which is a big step over DEX.
Day to day use, the SOCs will perform similar, even snapdragon 845 still a beast.
Battery with no doubt will be better on Huawei phone, it always was and will always be
Reverse wireless charging is there already, Dolby Atmos also, dark UI mode on Huawei phones since mate 10 for over a year now
EMUI sucks big time and one UI is actually my favorite Android skin now , even better than vanilla Android but is it an enough reason to go for it ??

vodovodo said:
Hello everyone, I am a huge Samsung fan (not a fanboy though) I use whatever feels right and I always have 2 phones. Currently note 9 and an iPhone ... iPhone was a mistake so looking to trade it with a new Android and I thought it will be the s10 but .....
does anyone else thinks mate 20 pro was and still better buy than s10 series?
I mean triple cameras, but with a main 40mp sensor 3x optical zoom and dedicated night mode and super macro mode in mate 20 pro? Given that videos are much worse than a budget phone from Samsung but it also offer that crazy cinematic video effects.
Mate 20 has the wireless projection to a TV Which is a big step over DEX.
Day to day use, the SOCs will perform similar, even snapdragon 845 still a beast.
Battery with no doubt will be better on Huawei phone, it always was and will always be
Reverse wireless charging is there already, Dolby Atmos also, dark UI mode on Huawei phones since mate 10 for over a year now
EMUI sucks big time and one UI is actually my favorite Android skin now , even better than vanilla Android but is it an enough reason to go for it ??
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You are in wrong place mate. This is S10 forum and you are posting about Huawei. Do you think anyone would care?

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You are in wrong place mate. This is S10 forum and you are posting about Huawei. Do you think anyone would care?
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No "mate" I am posting actually about Samsung s10 versus another phone and which is better buy.
it's a general discussion not a childish my company makes better phone thread. Got it ?
Now, do u have an actual useful thoughts on this?

vodovodo said:
No "mate" I am posting actually about Samsung s10 versus another phone and which is better buy.
it's a general discussion not a childish my company makes better phone thread. Got it ?
Now, do u have an actual useful thoughts on this?
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I never been with Huawei before. But I do know Megapixel is a gimmick. If the camera software is not good, all these megapixels are nothing but more storage space.

You could have a 58mgp camera sensor and if it's not implemented correctly (software controlled) then it's just a higher number. For example 12gb ram well there is absolutely no need for it, Android and apps will never need that, so it's a high number without any practicality.
It's marketing to some degree also, higher numbers are better right, 12gb ram, 58mgp camera ect.
So if you wish to be fooled look to the Pixel with a 12mgp single lens that shows clearly my point.

vodovodo said:
No "mate" I am posting actually about Samsung s10 versus another phone and which is better buy.
it's a general discussion not a childish my company makes better phone thread. Got it ?
Now, do u have an actual useful thoughts on this?
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EMUI will trigger a slow descent into madness. It's quite a frustrating experience. The aggressive app management is great for the battery life but a terrible user experience. AOD is frustratingly useless and don't get me started on notifications. A nightmare... The wireless desktop thingy is a cool party trick and the camera can be great. It's not as consistent as the pixel's. I would streer clear if I were you.
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Duncan1982 said:
You could have a 58mgp camera sensor and if it's not implemented correctly (software controlled) then it's just a higher number. For example 12gb ram well there is absolutely no need for it, Android and apps will never need that, so it's a high number without any practicality.
It's marketing to some degree also, higher numbers are better right, 12gb ram, 58mgp camera ect.
So if you wish to be fooled look to the Pixel with a 12mgp single lens that shows clearly my point.
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I have had a couple of Huawei phones and wouldn't touch one again ever. While EMUI was one factor, the main reason is lack of support in the US. They are a pretty popular phone overseas though.

vodovodo said:
Hello everyone, I am a huge Samsung fan (not a fanboy though) I use whatever feels right and I always have 2 phones. Currently note 9 and an iPhone ... iPhone was a mistake so looking to trade it with a new Android and I thought it will be the s10 but .....
does anyone else thinks mate 20 pro was and still better buy than s10 series?
I mean triple cameras, but with a main 40mp sensor 3x optical zoom and dedicated night mode and super macro mode in mate 20 pro? Given that videos are much worse than a budget phone from Samsung but it also offer that crazy cinematic video effects.
Mate 20 has the wireless projection to a TV Which is a big step over DEX.
Day to day use, the SOCs will perform similar, even snapdragon 845 still a beast.
Battery with no doubt will be better on Huawei phone, it always was and will always be
Reverse wireless charging is there already, Dolby Atmos also, dark UI mode on Huawei phones since mate 10 for over a year now
EMUI sucks big time and one UI is actually my favorite Android skin now , even better than vanilla Android but is it an enough reason to go for it ??
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Watch Mr Whostheboss video on the battery comparison, between s10+ and p20pro.
The s10+ lasts longer than the p20 pro by quite some time.

How about we all embrace the fact that smaller companies have been rising to compete with current flagships. Competition is a good thing, without it nobody would create anything new. Take a look at the iPhone vs Android. Granted, the iPhone does compete with Android but nowhere near the same level Android competes with other Android phones.

MinwooChong said:
Watch Mr Whostheboss video on the battery comparison, between s10+ and p20pro.
The s10+ lasts longer than the p20 pro by quite some time.
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Thanks I did, in the same video note 9 outperformed the iPhone max, witch is not the case with my usage and it makes sense since normal day to day use phone ain't always in our hands and standby time is much better on an iphone. These looping battery tests doesn't always make sense
By the way the lense size itself is huge on the mate 20 compared to s10 not only megapixel count

Got the mate 20 pro Thanks, got it for almost 550$ ... Couldn't resist the deal.
software wise it sucks big time. UI and navigation feels like an unfinished iOS clone ! Samsung one UI is much much better
Hardware is freaking awesome so far. Over 3 hours SOT with 68% left, app management is very flexible not that bad and it's blazing fast and smooth, camera is great and much better results than note and iPhone

Should I buy this phone ?

So,I'm due an upgrade this year and usually stick with Oneplus and currently have a 6T,
My usual upgrade would take me to a Oneplus 8 but I'm reading not so many great things about these phones such as hole punch cameras and the price is gonna be crazy for the Standard 8 and 8 pro
But here we have a phone that will probably be similar in specs and possibly better in places with the X2 pro.
I'm not crazy anymore about OxygenOS,sure it's great but it's boring after all these years. A little more features or some might say bloat can be useful and I hear ColorOS is pretty good in this regard.
Oneplus has slowed with updates for older devices so I think I could live with less updates.
Would you guys upgrade to a X2 pro considering you can get the 12/256 model for €449 now on Amazon or should I wait to see what Xaomi do though the k30 doesn't look that appealing if it turns out to be the mi 10.
Did anyone upgrade from a 6 or 6T to this phone ?

manus31 said:
So,I'm due an upgrade this year and usually stick with Oneplus and currently have a 6T,
My usual upgrade would take me to a Oneplus 8 but I'm reading not so many great things about these phones such as hole punch cameras and the price is gonna be crazy for the Standard 8 and 8 pro
But here we have a phone that will probably be similar in specs and possibly better in places with the X2 pro.
I'm not crazy anymore about OxygenOS,sure it's great but it's boring after all these years. A little more features or some might say bloat can be useful and I hear ColorOS is pretty good in this regard.
Oneplus has slowed with updates for older devices so I think I could live with less updates.
Would you guys upgrade to a X2 pro considering you can get the 12/256 model for €449 now on Amazon or should I wait to see what Xaomi do though the k30 doesn't look that appealing if it turns out to be the mi 10.
Did anyone upgrade from a 6 or 6T to this phone ?
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If you are not in a hurry (you have problems with your cuerrent phone), you should wait until the next generation of qualcomme soc (next half year).

valthunder said:
If you are not in a hurry (you have problems with your cuerrent phone), you should wait until the next generation of qualcomme soc (next half year).
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Yes, Ideally this would be true but I think the next gen of high end SD chips are gonna be more expensive and power hungry due to uneeded 5g. a lot of mid range well priced phones from Xaoimi will be having mid range chips like 765.
I actually think there is a good case to skip the next gen of chips because they are mainly for 5g which most users in the world dont need

I personally encourage you to get this phone. ColorOS has some interesting features and it's rock solid. The phone is very responsive and I have a good SOT. Talking about battery, the VOOC charging is unbelievably fast! I have so much to say about the Realme X2 Pro, but the conclusion is that I don't regret my decision.

aladin6 said:
I personally encourage you to get this phone. ColorOS has some interesting features and it's rock solid. The phone is very responsive and I have a good SOT. Talking about battery, the VOOC charging is unbelievably fast! I have so much to say about the Realme X2 Pro, but the conclusion is that I don't regret my decision.
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What device did you upgrade from if you don't mind me asking ?

manus31 said:
What device did you upgrade from if you don't mind me asking ?
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I did upgrade from Huawei p20 pro

manus31 said:
What device did you upgrade from if you don't mind me asking ?
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I just was with Poco F1. And it was a very good experience with it and said that I will no longer get other than Xiaomi ?

Probably the best value for the money at this time :good:
Pros
90hz Display which is very good
UFS 3.0
12gb Ram (top variant)
256gb Storage
50w SuperVooc
Great design & build.
Decent Cameras.
Cons
ColorOS still needs work and that comes in 0S7, with realme perhaps doing their own thing?
Cameras are just average (made better with Gcam) although as yet still not a stable build for the X2 Pro.
Overall for what you are paying them yea it's a very very good purchase :good:

Duncan1982 said:
Probably the best value for the money at this time :good:
Pros
90hz Display which is very good
UFS 3.0
12gb Ram (top variant)
256gb Storage
50w SuperVooc
Great design & build.
Decent Cameras.
Cons
ColorOS still needs work and that comes in 0S7, with realme perhaps doing their own thing?
Cameras are just average (made better with Gcam) although as yet still not a stable build for the X2 Pro.
Overall for what you are paying them yea it's a very very good purchase :good:
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Pros: decent cameras
Cons: cameras are average
Some expert fence sitting there,lol ?

manus31 said:
Pros: decent cameras
Cons: cameras are average
Some expert fence sitting there,lol ?
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They are both in both categories as they are made better with Gcam but without I'd put in the cons as they really aren't that great.

Duncan1982 said:
They are both in both categories as they are made better with Gcam but without I'd put in the cons as they really aren't that great.
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Lol,makes sense,though from what I've seen on YouTube and other reviews the cameras are pretty competitive with other flagships,not the greatest but decent in most departments,
I personally don't like using gcam because its usually unstable and annoying.
Still not convinced by the phone though with ColorOS though it should be interesting to see what colorOs7 is like.

manus31 said:
Lol,makes sense,though from what I've seen on YouTube and other reviews the cameras are pretty competitive with other flagships,not the greatest but decent in most departments,
I personally don't like using gcam because its usually unstable and annoying.
Still not convinced by the phone though with ColorOS though it should be interesting to see what colorOs7 is like.
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ColorOS runs just fine in terms of performance, it's just a bit disorganized, Cameras they are perfectly fine in good light, but I'd say they do struggle and the Samsung made GW1 64mgp sensor isn't great, but the price you can let the cam be the way it is, it's not shockingly poor, it's just average and the price point for everything else made it a great purchase for me.
Here is a pic in low light, (Curtains closed, no natural light) Stock Camera (using nighscape)

manus31 said:
What device did you upgrade from if you don't mind me asking ?
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Duncan1982 said:
They are both in both categories as they are made better with Gcam but without I'd put in the cons as they really aren't that great.
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The camera is great people just don't know how to shoot proper pictures

Made with 64mp mode
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natedogg20050 said:
Made with 64mp mode
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I did hear that the 64mp mode is very good even better than the 108mp mode on the Mi note 10. I suppose it's just low light photos I would be worried about and lack of OIS

manus31 said:
I did hear that the 64mp mode is very good even better than the 108mp mode on the Mi note 10. I suppose it's just low light photos I would be worried about and lack of OIS
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OIS is not needed in any kind of way thanks to the Snapdragon 855+ and 12 GB Ram
i can tell you the difference , when i was using the P20 Pro i had always lags making any kind of video.
using the X2 Pro with 30 or 60 FPS its like Butter , also the way the camera reacts like speed focus etc you dont even need OIS so trust me you would have a lot of fun
The Only bad thing about the Camera is the Night Shot Mode ... you cant compare it with Huawei
but without that its simply perfect in my eyes and i did a lot of pictures using the stock camera app

natedogg20050 said:
OIS is not needed in any kind of way thanks to the Snapdragon 855+ and 12 GB Ram
i can tell you the difference , when i was using the P20 Pro i had always lags making any kind of video.
using the X2 Pro with 30 or 60 FPS its like Butter , also the way the camera reacts like speed focus etc you dont even need OIS so trust me you would have a lot of fun
The Only bad thing about the Camera is the Night Shot Mode ... you cant compare it with Huawei
but without that its simply perfect in my eyes and i did a lot of pictures using the stock camera app
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Huawei are very good for low light so I would never expect the X2 pro to compare.What about updates ?
I believe the phone will receive support for Android 10 and 11. Updates every two months with security patch and a big update soon to colorOS 7,
Have you received timely updates as yet ?

Tbh it's a huge upgrade over the 6t... It's better in everyway except oxygen and as I've said before to others the euro version from Amazon Spain is one of the most bloat free and fluid operating systems around. Regarding the camera I've got to agree with @natedogg20050 it's a excellent camera and if you know how to use it correctly I've mostly got better shots then my son's mate 20 pro and wife's view 20.... Then when you consider the price to spec it's truly unbeatable in my opinion. I've had the OnePlus 6t and loved it but to me the X2 pro is far better.
Edit: Regarding updates I've received 1 update each month since getting the phone.

ngagephone said:
Tbh it's a huge upgrade over the 6t... It's better in everyway except oxygen and as I've said before to others the euro version from Amazon Spain is one of the most bloat free and fluid operating systems around. Regarding the camera I've got to agree with @natedogg20050 it's a excellent camera and if you know how to use it correctly I've mostly got better shots then my son's mate 20 pro and wife's view 20.... Then when you consider the price to spec it's truly unbeatable in my opinion. I've had the OnePlus 6t and loved it but to me the X2 pro is far better.
Edit: Regarding updates I've received 1 update each month since getting the phone.
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Thanks for the input,I looked at many reviews and comparisons over the last while and have concluded that the X2 pro is the best and most interesting deal out there.I am now bored with my 6T and wanted a change so this morning on Christmas I have just ordered my X2 pro 12/256 model in blue from Amazon Spain to receive it next week.
In regards to camera,most if not all the reviews I have looked at are positive. Ive seen that they have improved camera quality in recent updates also , particularly with low light shots.
I think people who do criticise are only nitpicking generally that a particular color may not be exactly the same as it is real life or stupid little things like that. The camera from what I've seen is excellent for the price including everything else.
Excited to use a phone with 12gb ram also,as I've only ever had 6 at most,90hz should be fun too and the little features of ColorOs.
Merry Christmas everyone.

I still cannot decide between OnePlus 7T and Realme X2 Pro. Coming from a really clean Moto G4+ experience and being kind of a power user (not gaming wise but regarding usage time & used features), I'm a little afraid that Color OS maybe couldn't deliver my wished quality. And video OIS and night capabilities of the 7T camera seems to be much better considering many YouTube comparisons.
On the other hand Realme offers super fast charging, interesting software features (three finger screenshot crop and all this nice little things) for a much lower price tag.

worth buying now

Or should I invest in k30 pro zoom

Yes why not but if you not missing google apps go for P40 but i still hold now on my best P30 Pro i not need better phone

Go for it... You will not regret...
Everything is fine and top from my side

Personally I'm thinking of ditching mine for a Poco fw or mi 10.
The camera software is junk and overly compresses it making it look like a water colour painting.
With no bootloader unlock you're stuck with security updates rolling out seemingly randomly to different countries and apps that keep re enabling themselves after you've disabled them.
Not an ecosystem that works for me. But obviously others are happy with what they've got

fards said:
Personally I'm thinking of ditching mine for a Poco fw or mi 10.
The camera software is junk and overly compresses it making it look like a water colour painting.
With no bootloader unlock you're stuck with security updates rolling out seemingly randomly to different countries and apps that keep re enabling themselves after you've disabled them.
Not an ecosystem that works for me. But obviously others are happy with what they've got
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Same applies to me. My previous phone was Pocophone f1. Rooted, with endless possibilities for ROM and customization. And now with p30 pro im stuck. No roms, no updates, camera software needs polishing. BTW cameras are good. I'm not 100% happy software wise. Looking something from Xiaomi, but their cameras doest have OIS on much lenses.

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can_85 said:
Same applies to me. My previous phone was Pocophone f1. Rooted, with endless possibilities for ROM and customization. And now with p30 pro im stuck. No roms, no updates, camera software needs polishing. BTW cameras are good. I'm not 100% happy software wise. Looking something from Xiaomi, but their cameras doest have OIS on much lenses.
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For what it’s worth I haven’t rooted a phone for over 5 years and probably never will again - stock Android 10 is plenty customisable for me and the security and warranty implications of rooting make it not worth the bother...
To the OP ... I purchased a brand new dual sim P30 Pro on eBay this week for £335 ... amazing price amazing battery life and still arguably the best cameras on any 2019 smartphone - if you can find a good deal take it ... you will NOT be disappointed

Well looks like I'm selling my p30 Pro.
Got a mi10 (non Pro).
Other than the macro lens (which is completely pointless) it's stunning. Even in pixel binning mode the main lens produces stunning photos that you can zoom in to and still see details. No overcompensated sharpening to get rid of excessive noise reduction and file compression here!

Question Vivo x90 pro+ vs S23U

With the S23U released, has any of you seen a comparison between this and the pro+?
I am currently on the verge of importing an origin vivo in spite of the concerns voiced on this forum. At the end of the day, I want the best camera phone on the market and seems it's down to this and the S23U.
Samsung seems to have taken a different route to reducing noise in low light with that crazy 200mpx/pixel binning but got a feeling the bigger sensor will win. It seems to be a big improvement over the S22U though, and the highlight retainment/hdr in low light seems improved too. Question is how much better the Vivo is and whether it's worth the hassle of getting origin and the issues that come with it.
Has anyone of you had first hand experience with these 2 phones or seen reviews comparing the two? Perhaps it's too early days

Vivo all the way:
Better battery, biggest it doesn't mean better always (mine last 28-30 hours) with my use, (a lot camera, data, two facebooks, whastapp, telegram, signal, a lot of youtube and business apps like bank aps etc)
Better charging speeds (80w) and 50w wireless.
Better price (buy from aliexpress is like 1000$ or low)
Better cameras and sensors (all 4 of them)
Better low light photos and video
Better design
Vivo gives you charger, cable, and premium case.
Both are fast, there is no clear winner.

If you lucky there will be some review of the X90 Pro with comparison to S23U in english. You can hope for some Chinese reviews but even in China the X90 Pro+ is not that popular - there will be much more comparisons with Xiaomi 13 Pro.
It's rare that chinese only phones will be reviewed by quality review websites like notebookcheck or gsmarena. Though a review of the X90 Pro is quite likely after the huge advertisement campaign by Vivo and expensive laucnh events... Europe and US are not that likely to feature big events however with the Nokia vs BBK copyright claims. Something strangely rarely mentioned here.
Better battery life is clearly Samsung - many users reporting 10h Dot even on 4G/5G Data. Unherd of for X90 Pro+ (maybe X90 and X90 Pro could get close - they have much better idle drain/battery life).
Price in Europe is definitely in favour of S23U - which sells for 1169 for the 512GB version with warranty, with update policy that will end in 5 years not maybe in 2 years (older Vivo flagships X flagships - only the Funtouch X versions have 3 major updates promised and updates are already running late - no January securiy patch for X90 Pro+ even on trial channel). Yeah no charger but any PD charger works full speed, vs 18w on X90 Pro+.
It's too early to call out the cameras - I feel both aren't top. But Samsung bags Video easily and over 10x zoom. Vivo will likely win 3.5-9x zoom range.
Gorilla Glas Victus 2 vs unknown (likely Schott)
Bootloader Unlock/Root and after updates are over in 5 years likely Lineage OS and others to continue vs crippled software.
Accessibiltiy to Samsung shops for battery replacement in 2-3 years of time - vs unlikely to be able to get any authentic new batteries for the X90 Pro+ outside of China (and looking at the reports on here on older Vivo phones - batteries don't seem to age very well on Vivo flagships)
Android Backup/Auto/Assistant/Maps Timeline and maybe in future more (this list got bigger every 2 years)
The only points that clearly speak vor Vivo are the fingerprint reader and yeah I personally prefer the design too on the Vivo. Though I don't know how well the Vegan leather ages. Some conflicting reports here. And yeah fast charging on original charger with original cable (missing either means slower than Samsung)
Display is identical, processor mainly just a newer batch (but that means lower voltages in general)
Front Camera goes Samsung all the way. Vivo has a midtier phone grade front camera and only 1080P video on the front camera as the sensor does not support 4K/UHD (1440P woudl be possible by third party apps - but none offers that yet. The sensor does support it).
I feel v2 is a joke - seeing that I mainly use Gcam (which cannot use the v2 chip). 8gen2 ISP would be sufficient as I don't see what the v2 brings at all.
Both have much worse colours than Pixel/Iphone in my opinion. Both show great detail at night but that isn't everything. Both have big shutter lag but Samsung at least got the autofocus right (on all cameras and not missing on 2 out of 5) and the autofocus working accurately (while that is not true for the main sensor on Vivo).
Yeah portrait may be better on Vivo 2x camera - but ONLY for typical upper body portrait. If you do full body portrait with the body at 2/3 of the picture size or less - the 2x sensor without autofocus isn't very sharp anymore. Falling back to main sensor is not possible in portrait mode on the Vivo stock camera...
Vivo X90 Pro+ only has Qualcom Fastconnect 6900 vs 7800 on the S23u (meaning no wifi-7, maybe not even wifi-6e, so far no one could confirm it to work! and missing the newest bluetooth LE additions)
S23U got Qualcom X70 modem - unsure what Vivo uses (either botched firmware on X70 or is it x65 or is it a chinese modem?)
Software in general is miles better on Samsung and less buggy. Yeah Vivo is fluid but Samsung too.
I much rather trust Samsung to fix the software deficiencies it has (mainly on camera - everything else seams great) vs Vivo (which has many many fields to catch up - and some like anything google related will not improve except google goes back on offering full support for it's app that aren't system apps. However with EU/USA and so on pressuring google to allow manufacturers to supply phones without google apps as system apps, that strategy will likely widen in future - as it's an indirect pressure point to include maps, assistant and so on as system app - which is impossible for Chinese market phones if China doesn't allow google which is highly unlikely in the next years).
The 2x sensor on the Vivo would be useless if the 1x sensor had variable aperture (because the 2x sensor has only bokeeh that speaks for it, low light/resolution/autofocus and basically everything else are worse vs a crop from the main)
The case on the x90 is a nice plus, but I don't trust cases without air cushion and camera protection - so I don't really see the use for it. If you feel safe enough with that tiny case - you should feel safe enough without any case.
Gcam support will be much better on S23U as there will surely be nice profiles for color/noise while on X90 Pro+ you are left with dubious colours at night on gcams.
If the X90 Pro+ had bootloader unlock and root - some issures would be fixable (like google apps) and if lucky once Vivo stops updates there could be some Lineage OS support. Vivo that way kinda steels the only way for long term life of that phone.

Oh yeah - when it comes to Camera2 API (according to Proshoot Evaluator) - Vivos advantage is HEIC, Samsungs advantage is vendor extensions of bokeeh, HDR, beauty mode and night mode vs none on the x90 pro+.
And sadly on camera2 api 1440P video isn't offered so it's only 1080P30 vs 4k24/30 on the Samsung....
Vivo has 4k video on the 3.5x via camera2while Samsung only has 1080P30 on both zoom lenses.
Both don't have 4k60P on camera2 !
Both only offer pixel binned resolutions via camera2api so are both quite restricted.

Kenshin1870 said:
Vivo all the way:
Better battery, biggest it doesn't mean better always (mine last 28-30 hours) with my use, (a lot camera, data, two facebooks, whastapp, telegram, signal, a lot of youtube and business apps like bank aps etc)
Better charging speeds (80w) and 50w wireless.
Better price (buy from aliexpress is like 1000$ or low)
Better cameras and sensors (all 4 of them)
Better low light photos and video
Better design
Vivo gives you charger, cable, and premium case.
Both are fast, there is no clear winner.
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Have you had any autofocus issues as pointed out in the response above?

vendetta17 said:
Every single member of vivo x90 pro plus xda knows you are trolling . You are stating ' issues' that all the phone holders told you they dont exist . Starting with battery , going to camera , than from internal modems to OS related issues that ONLY you reported out of at least 10 holders here . Those are the real facts . You would normally be banned right now from other forums . Respect to the xda admins for being that patient with you .
And by the way , if you write extremely long texts speaking nonsense ... You dont bring any value at all . At first every single point you got about this phone its negative . Criticism would not be a problem as long as its constructive and positive but the main problem its lying . And you did this several times here .
Who's old here knows you are trolling . Who's new here definately notices immediately that you live on a different planet than earth .
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So vivo has no bl unlock? Thats mean rarely update come?

Bl unlock doesn't mean anything about update frequency. But with official unlock (not unlock via Potential security bug) most popular phones will have a custom ROM community providing updates for a long time, while with without you are at mercy of the manufacturer. Just look up the update threads about older flagships like 50pro+ or 70pro+ to see how likely updates are on 90pro+. Does not look good to me.. . Vivo's update policy is only for international market. Right now X90 even with trial version is stuck on December security patches. S23U will receive February patches on 17 February (it's not officially available until then - strange release by Samsung this time)
I proved all my facts somewhere here before with screenshots or sources (or Link to fast connect 7800 at Qualcomm which states WiFi 7 compatibility which isn't advertised for X90 pro+. Not even WiFi 6e (though it could be possible it's supported but just not advertised in specs).
I reported vendetta17 now for breaking points 2.3 and 2.4 of the forum rules. He accuses me of lying without being able to prove a single lie.
And I posted positive points, quite a lot. This is one of the best cameras on a smartphone. I think even better than place 10 as dxomark indicates as their protocol doesn't value secondary lenses much. I see it as top 6 or 7 right now even for point and shoot. If you shoot RAW only and need huge prints then it's even the best (but I feel apple workflow with RAW is much easier, also s23U has better workflow with RAW as Lightroom comes already pre-installed but quality wise X90 Pro+ is better). Seeing basically very little mention of RAW and super RAW in relation to the X90 pro+ makes me feel professional photographers avoid Vivo phones no matter how much Vivo touts professional photography at it's press releases. Samsung or apple or google forums on the contrary are full with questions or remarks on RAW and comparisons to the jpg output.
If the X90 pro+ would be half price of s23U, iphone 14 pro max then I would praise it too. If it was even just the price of Pixel 7 pro and would have the same update policy I would recommend it all out. At current prices without any update policy and seeing that x50 Pro+ basically stopped getting updates after 2.5 years, and other Vivo x series being neglected after only a year I don't see it recommendable. It was the first phone with 8gen2 and vivo paid for that exclusive right to Qualcomm. It's not comparable to mate 20 pro or p30 Pro which were albeit slower updates great phones and aged well at cheaper price than other flagships back then. Yes right on hardware it looks great, just like s23U too, but not software.....

Mrxyzl said:
So vivo has no bl unlock? Thats mean rarely update come?
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You cant unlock bootloader yet .
Mrxyzl said:
So vivo has no bl unlock? Thats mean rarely update come?
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No bootloader unlock yet . If you talk about updates , i got 4 of them in about 40 days .

vendetta17 said:
You cant unlock bootloader yet .
No bootloader unlock yet . If you talk about updates , i got 4 of them in about 40 days .
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What version are you on then ? I know only of 3 updates... (not counting the last trial version)...

13.0.18.3 is the latest one I believe.

jericho246 said:
13.0.18.3 is the latest one I believe.
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Latest official ? A week ago I heard this version was release as trial version. I just checked but 13.0.18.2 is the last version for me...

Vinzie said:
Latest official ? A week ago I heard this version was release as trial version. I just checked but 13.0.18.2 is the last version for me...
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I got it earlier today in official update channel. Not trial.

BTW - eSim is also missing from the X90 Pro+, S23U has dual physical SIM plus 1 Esim support. Dual Active, Tripple Standby. There is no dual e-sim on the S23U however so far (unlike Pixel 7 which now has dual e-sim plus 1 physical SIM. Not sure if tripple standby is supported by Pixel however).
Only Xiaomi 13 Pro so far has Wifi-7 (though not yet enabled because it's draft). X70 modem phones maybe in the future could get wifi 7 enabled - but if the X90 Pro+ has no Wifi-6e - then it's very unlikely it has X70 modem after all.

extremecarver said:
If the X90 Pro+ had bootloader unlock and root
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Yes, but is there confirmation users can unlock the S23 Ultra's BL out of the box? I've had no end of trouble rooting my Note 10+ 5G over the almost three years I've owned it, so using an unrooted Vivo won't be that much of a biggie.

Iluminatus23 said:
Extremecaver has to much time....
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Please explain how a person can "much" time...
if you believe Extremecaver has to do that.
It's TOO much time!

Well it's assumed to be the same process as on any other Samsung phone. Root is not the same as unlock! On my S7 and S8+ this was very easy. Root can be trouble with banking apps and so on. Bootloader unlock was super easy (yeah you void warranty on Samsung by rooting because of the e-fuse it will be forever but unlike Vivo no need for all that to get google apps fully working)

djshotty said:
Yes, but is there confirmation users can unlock the S23 Ultra's BL out of the box? I've had no end of trouble rooting my Note 10+ 5G over the almost three years I've owned it, so using an unrooted Vivo won't be that much of a biggie.
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Triggering Knox is the worst part with every Samsung ever. Such a crap system

P6P said:
Triggering Knox is the worst part with every Samsung ever. Such a crap system
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Well it's much better than outright not offering bootloader unlock. I find it's a great system - brick your phone by software - Samsung isn't responsible anymore. I'm pretty sure if the phone still boots but doesn't charge anymore or camera dropout Knox will not be important - but I do not know for sure.
The other way but that is more complicated to remove warranty for rooted devices would be to simply hand out unlock codes in your device account and giving you a warning about losing warranty that way.
I find it's understandable manufacturers do not like to warranty rooted/unlocked devices due to the high chance of someone bricking their device in the process. It's giving the user a choice (and after 1 or 2 years depending on the manufacturer it's end of warranty anyhow).

Vivo also has some kind of efuse or check system. Portrait mode did not work anymore after unlocking the bootloader / changing firmware on my x70 Pro Plus, even after reverting to stock completely.
But it doesnt matter, since we wont see another exploit for the Vivo. Waited a long time to decide between S23 Ultra / x90 Pro / x90 Pro Plus and with Vivo's price policy for the international model I definitely wont go for the x90 Pro. Software support and official availability in the west are deciding factors here.
If you want to judge vivo's dedication to the western market you just need to follow a phones announcement.
Website with a countdown that ran until 0:00:00, then nothing happened. Website still displays NaN-Timer and there has been absolute silence from vivo on when the global version is available and how much it will cost.

Killuminati91 said:
Vivo also has some kind of efuse or check system. Portrait mode did not work anymore after unlocking the bootloader / changing firmware on my x70 Pro Plus, even after reverting to stock completely.
But it doesnt matter, since we wont see another exploit for the Vivo. Waited a long time to decide between S23 Ultra / x90 Pro / x90 Pro Plus and with Vivo's price policy for the international model I definitely wont go for the x90 Pro. Software support and official availability in the west are deciding factors here.
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Didn't know about vivo has a efuse or check system. But when it's really there its also crap.