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1) OK... What happens when you are on a bluetooth headset? Where does the audio route?
Since moto pretty much has an epic fail with regard to security in that you can't use touchless control AND a screen lock, I'm looking for solutions.
2) What would happen, for example, if you were to use a third party screen lock tool instead of native android? Would the same limitation apply?
3) Similarly, what about leaving the "phone" unlocked but locking key apps with something like this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sp.protector.free and you can set it to only require the passcode once per session. But lets say you "locked" messaging, what would happen if you tried to say "OK Google Now, send text to John Whats up", would that go through?
4) What about something like this to facilitate? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.yinlong.voiceprintlock
km8j said:
1) OK... What happens when you are on a bluetooth headset? Where does the audio route?
Since moto pretty much has an epic fail with regard to security in that you can't use touchless control AND a screen lock, I'm looking for solutions.
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As far as the blue tooth goes I'm not sure. But they did come out with a fix for the issue at hand.
Read up on this.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/08/16/moto-x-skip/
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As far as the blue tooth goes I'm not sure. But they did come out with a fix for the issue at hand.
Read up on this.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/08/16/moto-x-skip/
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That is far from a solution since it requires you to touch your phone to use touchless controls.
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That is far from a solution since it requires you to touch your phone to use touchless controls.
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I think your expectations are a bit high. Anytime you want to add security, you have to sacrifice convenience. Can't have both. It's like saying I want to have a safe that uses a fingerprint scanner, retina scan, and voice recognition to keep my money in it. The safe will be really secure, but you have to do all three steps every time you want to take money out.
Same analogy here. This is an Android security limitation, and not really anything Moto can do about it. As it is right now, you can't have notifications on the lockscreen with a security pin/pattern that shows portions of emails and texts without compromising privacy because anyone can see those previews, nor will voice activation be able to automatically unlock the lockscreen or any app that has a security lock. Just have to hope Google is working on giving more options that allow a various levels of security and privacy in Key Lime. You can use Tasker or Llama apps to set safe zones based on location data or networks to disable the lock screen when you want, but again you lose security to gain convenience in those safe zones.
These expectations are completely in line with the functionality of today. You can use a bluetooth headset to bypass screen locks and have been able to for some time. There is not a large security risk with someone being able to send a text via voice from your phone or navigate somewhere, but that is on the user to decide just like you can now place widgets on your lock screen which expose data.
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These expectations are completely in line with the functionality of today. You can use a bluetooth headset to bypass screen locks and have been able to for some time. There is not a large security risk with someone being able to send a text via voice from your phone or navigate somewhere, but that is on the user to decide just like you can now place widgets on your lock screen which expose data.
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I agree that it should be a user option to decide, but you can't blame Moto for taking the safe route by respecting default android policies especially with a brand new app. Otherwise they would get flak for not respecting security, as the bluetooth workaround could be considered a security flaw just as much as a convenience. There's also a reason why all android phones have the security lock disabled by default, simply because not everyone, including myself, are paranoid about security and that is why they focused on making voice activation work perfectly when the security lock is disabled. Bright side is for those who are, it's only software and Moto can easily update it in the coming months. In the mean time, use Tasker or Llama.
Is there (or technically, are there limitations that would prevent someone from creating), a Google Glass app that simply lets you view your phone display.
For example, maybe there's an app I use that's not a Google Glass app, for rxample - my app that lets me view my IP CAM live feed, or maybe a game that I want to keep an eye on passively so I can just pick up my phone when I'm ready to do my next move or whatever.
Does something like that exist, or can it? Or are there limitations in what developers can do that prevents this from ever working?
Ok sorry to sound a percy pessimist but here are some little gripes so far.. I'm totally understanding that its still early days yet and software may well be improved over time and also I may well be being dim and not knowing where some settings are etc. If so then please by all means let me know!
* Cradle/dock VERY awkward to attach.
* Does nots seem to have the cool "bypass phone lockscreen if watch is attached" feature which was demo'd in I/O.
* Doesn't seem to be a way to open apps or do anything on the watch if you are not in a position to talk. (other than the list of "example" searches you can see if you don't talk to the watch quick enough.
* I don't seem to be getting vibration notifications
* doesn't seem to be a way of using your own photos for the photos watch face
* doesn't seem to be a way of editing the call reject text messages
* strap is very awkward to put on and for the heart rate monitor you need to have it on pretty tight which is tricky to do one handed with the kind of clasp it has.
* **the movement to wake the watch is a bit hit or miss. it doesnt seem to be just a matter of flicking the wrist or moving up to face.** (this is beginning to be a problem. it is pretty random if it wants to wake up from movement or not. cant work out if it dependant on which watchface or not). i reallllllllllly don't want to have to touch the watch to see notifications etc.
* to even entertain viewing it outside, you have to manually crank the brightness up to max else it is pretty much unreadable. and thats in the UK sunshine!!!
other than that, it seems to be a nice watch.
i feel like i just wasted 180 quid
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Ok sorry to sound a percy pessimist but here are some little gripes so far.. I'm totally understanding that its still early days yet and software may well be improved over time and also I may well be being dim and not knowing where some settings are etc. If so then please by all means let me know!
* Cradle/dock VERY awkward to attach.
* Does nots seem to have the cool "bypass phone lockscreen if watch is attached" feature which was demo'd in I/O.
* Doesn't seem to be a way to open apps or do anything on the watch if you are not in a position to talk. (other than the list of "example" searches you can see if you don't talk to the watch quick enough.
* I don't seem to be getting vibration notifications
* doesn't seem to be a way of using your own photos for the photos watch face
* doesn't seem to be a way of editing the call reject text messages
* strap is very awkward to put on and for the heart rate monitor you need to have it on pretty tight which is tricky to do one handed with the kind of clasp it has.
* **the movement to wake the watch is a bit hit or miss. it doesnt seem to be just a matter of flicking the wrist or moving up to face.** (this is beginning to be a problem. it is pretty random if it wants to wake up from movement or not. cant work out if it dependant on which watchface or not). i reallllllllllly don't want to have to touch the watch to see notifications etc.
* to even entertain viewing it outside, you have to manually crank the brightness up to max else it is pretty much unreadable. and thats in the UK sunshine!!!
other than that, it seems to be a nice watch.
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The lockscreeen unlock feature relies on Android L, not the watch.
The strap is replaceable. I have 2 Silicone ones from Amazon ready to go.
And this is Google Now on your wrist. Yes it's first generation and has plenty to improve upon. But it's essentially meant to be Google Now on your wrist.
Just be happy you got yours! Haha. I'm refreshing the UPS page like a mad man (had it delivered to work.... But I received the day off. Hahaha)
STILL way way better than that Tiezen BS Samsung tried out... Be positive!!
(Keep in mind I have a gear 1 and love it)
Yep, cradle is annoying
Vibrate is very slight I hardly ever notice it
All apps need to support wear before they can be interacted with (contacts, emails, messages etc if using a non google product)
Strap clasp doesn't feel very secure
love how light it is
has google now integration which so far has been hit and miss 70/30
always on face is cool (except still emits light in dark rooms)
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The lockscreeen unlock feature relies on Android L, not the watch.
The strap is replaceable. I have 2 Silicone ones from Amazon ready to go.
And this is Google Now on your wrist. Yes it's first generation and has plenty to improve upon. But it's essentially meant to be Google Now on your wrist.
Just be happy you got yours! Haha. I'm refreshing the UPS page like a mad man (had it delivered to work.... But I received the day off. Hahaha)
STILL way way better than that Tiezen BS Samsung tried out... Be positive!!
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yeah i had a feeling it might be a L feature. although its a bit annoying as i had the same feature with my Pebble using an app called Pebble Locker which basically bypassed the requirement for entering a pin etc if the watch was connected to the phone. So its defintely possible without L. hopefully someone will make a quick little app to do that
I will be ordering a metal braclet style strap sometime soon, like i had on my pebble. much more comfortable.
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(Keep in mind I have a gear 1 and love it)
Yep, cradle is annoying
Vibrate is very slight I hardly ever notice it
All apps need to support wear before they can be interacted with (contacts, emails, messages etc if using a non google product)
Strap clasp doesn't feel very secure
love how light it is
has google now integration which so far has been hit and miss 70/30
always on face is cool (except still emits light in dark rooms)
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yeah the vibrate is VERY slight. it took me a while to realize it was doing it. I hope they add an option to change the intensity of the vibration as I'm pretty sure it is capable of a more stronger vibe.
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yeah i had a feeling it might be a L feature. although its a bit annoying as i had the same feature with my Pebble using an app called Pebble Locker which basically bypassed the requirement for entering a pin etc if the watch was connected to the phone. So its defintely possible without L. hopefully someone will make a quick little app to do that
I will be ordering a metal braclet style strap sometime soon, like i had on my pebble. much more comfortable.
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Agreed. App will be out soon. I already have 5 exclusive Wear apps ready & waiting. Hahha.
I wish they gave us the nicer strap from Gear 2. Not this BS from Gear Fit... Oh well.
This is a starter watch... Moto 360 & after will only get better & better. As will the software. LOVE that Google is keeping control.
Coming from Gear Neo; initial observations:
1. Watch has more metal and feels more premium
2. Watch strap is larger, will accommodate larger wrists but the clasp is junk compared to the neos.
3. OS is a little overwhelming right now, which I actually think is good. After 30 minutes, I am still cant do much- Iam not concerned with "watch cant do" xxx yet.
4. I have had 2 OS updates in the first hr.
5. Gear Manager seems to be a little more straight forward than Wear Manager but it is too new to make a final call on that
6. Watch is fast! "Okay google, what is the capital of NY?" is recognized and answered immediately.
7. Interface is smooth as silk
I use skiplock to bypass the lock screen. Works with WiFi networks and Bluetooth devices
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Ok sorry to sound a percy pessimist but here are some little gripes so far.. I'm totally understanding that its still early days yet and software may well be improved over time and also I may well be being dim and not knowing where some settings are etc. If so then please by all means let me know!
Here's my opinions after receiving the watch today. See if you have the same thoughts, thefunkygibbon:
I was quite pleased that it is not really big
the set up process was easy enough but took quite a while - I think mainy due to downlaoding a firmware udate
there's quite a learning curve in using this new OS
the watch is a bit useless at the moment because it is constantly disconnecting so it is just a simple watch - I need to find out how to correct this
I noticed the battery on my phone goes down fast when the watch is connected.
It really sucks that there is no auto brightness
the notifications work really well and look great with the picture backgrounds
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You can start apps without voice by going to the Google voice prompt then swiping all the way down to Start...
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You can start apps without voice by going to the Google voice prompt then swiping all the way down to Start...
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Feels to me like we are missing a launcher. Voice control is great, but there are times it just won't work and the method above is cumbersome.
Any other negative points? I want to buy a gear live soon...but I rather hear the reviews first. I'm guessing the problems listed all here are going to be on the LG G watch and the Moto 360 since most of the complaints seem to be Android wear related.
Be careful w attaching or taking off charging cradle. Reports show breaking off or breaking piece off phone. Thought mine coming in today but, scheduled for tomorrow.
Ian B
Just a couple quick notes:
- I noticed that I can somewhat bypass the lockscreen. I'm currently on 4.4.4. (S4 - KangaKat) When I have the watch open the app on my phone or perform an action on the phone, I can simply press the home button (or side power button) and I do not have to swipe my pattern.
- Vibration notifications SHOULD be working. There were two system updates that were done when I first connected the watch. Perhaps that's the issue?
- I am able to see that I have a notification without turning on the watch. When I swipe it up, I get more details, which I can then swipe away, so that the next notification with show on the screen. I think this is just a matter of managing the notifications and making sure that you are top of them. Swiping them away & handling them as they come in.
- Yes, outside sucks. Today is pure sunlight, I was having trouble seeing it with a setting of 3. I was able to view it better when I put my hand over it. Not much different from trying to look at portions of my phone's screen in the outdoors with a similar brightness.
All in all, I'm pretty satisfied and I understand that this is first gen. I am hoping that through some proper feedback to google / developers, we start to see some software updates & applications developed that further the watch's capabilities. For now, though the notifications are great....although I wish I could not have it send work emails to the watch. The thing vibrates non-stop.
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Just a couple quick notes:
- I noticed that I can somewhat bypass the lockscreen. I'm currently on 4.4.4. (S4 - KangaKat) When I have the watch open the app on my phone or perform an action on the phone, I can simply press the home button (or side power button) and I do not have to swipe my pattern.
- Vibration notifications SHOULD be working. There were two system updates that were done when I first connected the watch. Perhaps that's the issue?
- I am able to see that I have a notification without turning on the watch. When I swipe it up, I get more details, which I can then swipe away, so that the next notification with show on the screen. I think this is just a matter of managing the notifications and making sure that you are top of them. Swiping them away & handling them as they come in.
- Yes, outside sucks. Today is pure sunlight, I was having trouble seeing it with a setting of 3. I was able to view it better when I put my hand over it. Not much different from trying to look at portions of my phone's screen in the outdoors with a similar brightness.
All in all, I'm pretty satisfied and I understand that this is first gen. I am hoping that through some proper feedback to google / developers, we start to see some software updates & applications developed that further the watch's capabilities. For now, though the notifications are great....although I wish I could not have it send work emails to the watch. The thing vibrates non-stop.
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can't you blacklist apps? or do you use the same app for work and personal email?
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can't you blacklist apps? or do you use the same app for work and personal email?
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I have not seen yet that you can blacklist apps. Since it uses native notifications, the only way I can see to prevent this would be to disable email notifications altogether Not something I want to do. I will either just have to have the notification sit there and disappear as I check my emails / dismiss the notification. Hopefully, there are some changes in the future on this.
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I have not seen yet that you can blacklist apps. Since it uses native notifications, the only way I can see to prevent this would be to disable email notifications altogether Not something I want to do. I will either just have to have the notification sit there and disappear as I check my emails / dismiss the notification. Hopefully, there are some changes in the future on this.
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i thought i read somewhere you could blacklist apps though the wear manager app
here you go #7 on that list
http://www.androidcentral.com/first...e-today-here-are-10-more-things-you-need-know
I'm the wear manager you can blacklist apps.
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i thought i read somewhere you could blacklist apps though the wear manager app
here you go #7 on that list
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You are correct. I missed that completely. I have muted my email application, let's hope tomorrow is a little more quiet. Thanks for pointing that out!
According to the specs - it has a barometer sensor.
Does anyone know how to display that sensor reading on a watch face?
Tried WatchMaker - and it does not show up. Only the compass is in the sensors available.
Thanks
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According to the specs - it has a barometer sensor.
Does anyone know how to display that sensor reading on a watch face?
Tried WatchMaker - and it does not show up. Only the compass is in the sensors available.
Thanks
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I sideloaded the application "Sensitive Altimeter" from Ivan gorinov that I have been using for years (I live very close to the alps). The only problem is that the gui (which is quite simple, btw) is not ready for the size of our watches, so the default one which is an analog gauge looks horrible.
Since I have it installed in my nexus 5 I just customized to the digital gauge and copy the preferences files from the nexus 5 to the smartwatch (you need root of course). Now at least I can get some readings. The altitude is not working as well because it needs to read the information from a nearby airport, but the barometric readings are there.
BTW, the readings for pressure were very close between the nexus and the GWR
I will write the guy, I'm sure he just need to do some minimum porting to get his app working in the GWR
Does anyone know of any app that will automatically run the heart rate monitor at predefined intervals? It's rather disappointing having a heart rate monitor when you have to continually tell it to take a measurement. I'd love to have an app that automatically monitors my heart rate (and also my steps), so that I can build up a record.
Is anyone aware of a way of doing this? Many thanks.
Would assume this would be similar to the feature on the 360. I would also be keen on something like this.
HeartSync
Can probably do what you are looking for.
That looks very hopeful, many thanks indeed. I'll install and play!
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HeartSync
Can probably do what you are looking for.
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Thanks for the shout-out. I'm the dev for HeartSync (and Amplify).
HeartSync is definitely a work in progress. I have a lot of plans for it. Right now, here's how it works:
1) Automatic mode. You set the frequency to whatever you want, and HeartSync will try to measure your heart rate that often. You can see when the next check time is in the phone app. When it's time, Heart Sync will try to get your heart rate, then upload it to google fit. If it can't get your heart rate within 60 seconds, it gives up. If you set it to 5 minutes, you'll get some battery drain. I prefer 30 minutes because the battery life is really good, and you get a good spread of heart rates in Google Fit charts.
2) Workout mode. You open the app on the watch, and tap the heart. Heart Sync will now continuously monitor your heart rate, even after the screen turns off. You also get a card notification on the watch during this time reminding you that heartsync is running in the background. This will update your heartrate continuously to Google Fit. To turn workout mode off, open the app again on the watch, and tap the heart again. The battery will last about 3-4 hours in this mode.
After any kind of measurement, you should be able to open Google Fit on your phone and refresh it. Then you can click "See Charts", "Add Chart", and add your heart rate chart.
I'm keeping HeartSync in stealth mode a little bit for now. I want to get a few more features in before I create an app thread for it here
Thanks,
Ryan
Hi Ryan,
Many thanks indeed for taking the trouble to outline the app. I've downloaded, donated, and set to auto heart rate every 30 mins. The app does exactly what I was looking for, so thanks again.
Just a quick question, if I may: I'm new to Google Fit, it seems incredibly minimalist, even by Google standards! Once I've used HearttRate for a while, how do I access my heart rate data from Fit?
Cheers,
Aidan
You need to view charts, then add the heart rate chart. Im working on custom charts based on the data from fit, as well.
Under Menu/Add activity I can add many things, from Aerobics to Zumba, but there's no mention of heart rate. I can't find any other options to add anything...?
It's not in the menu for some reason. You need to open the charts. Online, click the middle of the step circle. On the phone, scroll down to "view graphs".
On my phone. Please excuse brevity and typos.
Got it! Many thanks mate. It's a shame it seems I have to re-open it every time. Do you know if there's any way to have it permanently there with (or instead of) steps?
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Got it! Many thanks mate. It's a shame it seems I have to re-open it every time. Do you know if there's any way to have it permanently there with (or instead of) steps?
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I don't think there is. No worries, though. The next version of HeartSync will have a chart embedded in the app
Thanks again. I tell you what would be an awesome feature if you could add it to a future release: Sleeping hours during which auto does not take measurements. I take my watch off at night, but of course the app goes on taking measurements even so.
It shouldn't take measurements if it's on the charger. Or do you have it off your wrist, but not charging at night?
Just purchased HeartSync and it looks great! Unlocked the more frequent automatic updates.
Just checking - does the app continuously monitor or does it monitor based on the update frequency (or does the update frequency refer to the frequency with which the app updates to google fit)? Thanks!
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Just purchased HeartSync and it looks great! Unlocked the more frequent automatic updates.
Just checking - does the app continuously monitor or does it monitor based on the update frequency (or does the update frequency refer to the frequency with which the app updates to google fit)? Thanks!
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It does both!
If you setup automatic updates, it will check your heart rate and update google fit on that frequency.
If you launch HeartSync on the watch and tap the heart icon, it will continuously monitor your heart rate and upload to Fit in realtime (workout mode). It will stay in workout mode until you turn it off by tapping the heart again.
Thanks,
Ryan
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It does both!
If you setup automatic updates, it will check your heart rate and update google fit on that frequency.
If you launch HeartSync on the watch and tap the heart icon, it will continuously monitor your heart rate and upload to Fit in realtime (workout mode). It will stay in workout mode until you turn it off by tapping the heart again.
Thanks,
Ryan
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Hi, first of all thanks for your app.
I have seen the chart in your app but it does not show the date anywhere so I'ts very difficult to know when is each dot.
If you include the date in the chart and add pin in/out zoom to the chart (so I can view more detailed information about a specific hour on a specific day) I will purchase your app.
Best regards
cryptyk said:
It does both!
If you setup automatic updates, it will check your heart rate and update google fit on that frequency.
If you launch HeartSync on the watch and tap the heart icon, it will continuously monitor your heart rate and upload to Fit in realtime (workout mode). It will stay in workout mode until you turn it off by tapping the heart again.
Thanks,
Ryan
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Thanks - When I run it from the watch it won't start. The watch app reports "Heart Sync Not Measuring". In the Android Wear app, should your app be set to be the default heart rate app?
EDIT: I am a moron - I didn't realize that I needed to tap on the heart on the watch. lol
So if I start it and just keep it running in the background, it will log continuously (but likely draw lots of battery power so is suitable for only during workouts) correct? Does having it as the default heart rate app in Android Wear make any difference to functionality/interoperability? Thanks in advance for the replies!
cryptyk said:
It does both!
If you setup automatic updates, it will check your heart rate and update google fit on that frequency.
If you launch HeartSync on the watch and tap the heart icon, it will continuously monitor your heart rate and upload to Fit in realtime (workout mode). It will stay in workout mode until you turn it off by tapping the heart again.
Thanks,
Ryan
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Hi again Ryan - got it working fine but tapping it again to turn continuous monitoring off isn't working. I have had to hold down on the monitoring page and swipe right but it is still running in the background. Thoughts?
Same problem here. Monitoring would not stop, when I tap the heart.
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olafsolberg said:
Same problem here. Monitoring would not stop, when I tap the heart.
Sent from my Z1
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This is a bug. I'm working on an update now. Still early days of the app's development, but it's going to get a LOT better in the next few days.
Thanks for your patience!
Ryan