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7 things I wish I knew before buying the K20 Pro

This isn't a rant, just things which I've noticed of considerable concern.
Hi, just a full disclosure. I bought a K20 Pro Chinese rom from Aliexpress, waited 3 months and watched a lot of reviews. I'm english speaking, so none of these issues were brought up in the video's I watched.
1) The speaker at the bottom is too easy to cover, as a right hand user. I cannot comfortably watch videos in portrait mode without accidentally concealing it.
2) The camera reflects its own infrared on closeup images of shiny objects.
https://imgur.com/9iCMfut
3) The display is not sharp. This clarity is comparable to the Galaxy S3, you can see the pixels individually and quite vividly. This makes icon edges appear blurry. I'll put this down to the low resolution, as compared to my 2k display of the Galaxy Note 5.
https://imgur.com/rExaM1Z
4) The display is very thin. Having come from the Galaxy Note 5, I'm used to a wider phone. But this is much to small to consume media in vertical form.
5) The battery life isn't great. It lasts a day, and only a day with medium use.
6) Gestures in Android 9 are broken. Specifically the 'recents gesture' and the 'go back'. I only had about a 10% success rate with the 'recents gesture', it just didn't want to work. Whereas the 'go back' gesture works a bit too well and I was constantly going back accidentally as you can swipe from either side.
7) MIUI is not good. I personally do not find it enjoyable to use.

Three months is a long time. I was getting impatient and got it after 30 days. I'll say I agree with the speaker being easy to cover, that being said you can just turn the phone upside down.

1) just turn device upside down.
2) weird thing indeed
3) pretty okay for the price, not best display ever, but not uncomfortable to me..
4)there's a choice here, if you make it too wide, you make it hard to use with a single hand...
5) pretty great here, I don't know what you call "medium use", but here I'm getting all day long (lasting around 25% in the end of it) with 7 hours of screen on... I consider it as hard use. It is not great compared to what, exactly?
6)never used it, can't opine...
7)I used to be a vanilla guy, miui stock is just awful for me. But, xiaomi.eu rom is pretty great, I believe you could give it a try. It is just what miui should be...
Cheers

I wasn't pleased too when i went from Galaxy s8 to one plus 5t about the display but you will get used to it believe me , it's a good display you will not notice any pixel after some time , almost every phone nowadays comes in FHD+ except high end Samsung , besides it's 6'4 inch it's really big
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And you're completely wrong about the battery life maybe you have a faulty unit because the battery is amazing I'm getting 7 to 9 SOT

In my opinion:
1) Agree with you, but although I always (almost) use headphones it doesnt bother me. But, you can flip the phone to avoid this scenario...
2) Never noticed.
3) It is really not an ultra sharp display, but it is far from S3, which was ~300ppi, K20 is ~400ppi. Amoled pentile will hardly give an sharp display on FHD+ displays.
4) You are a long time whitout upgrading, thin phones are a trend since 2018. Last decent 16:9 phone was Huawei Mate 10.
5) Luckily you didnt buy other phones as this one have a great battery life on today standards.
6) It is necessary some time to get used and increase accuracy on gestures.
7) Having had mainly Samsungs, LGs, Motos, Huaweis and Xiaomis, I think MIUI is on par with EMUI (Huawei) and better than Samsung/LG/Moto.
Edit: Item 5. According to GSMArena, battery on K20 stands ~45% longer than Note5 for video playback. ~15% more for talking time, and ~25% more for browsing.

I don't know if the K20 Pro is different from the Mi 9T Pro but i can't agree on the unsharp display. Maybe with a magnifying glass but it is as sharp as any other phone i had before including my P30. Same for the battery life, i can easily hit 10 hours SOT in a day without having to charge it. Tried gestures, works well for me. The thin display isn't as good for videos, yes but overall it's quite nice to use/ handle. Also i'm okay with MIUI. It looks pretty nice and got some good customization options and it's certainly better than EMUI. But i can agree on it being a bit weird to use if you're used to stock Android.

Thanks for your positive feedback.
Someone suggested that I just rotate the phone 180 degrees to avoid covering the speaker, how does one enable this rotation in miui?
A suggestion was made about miui.eu, I plan to flash this when the 7 day unlock period expires.
Regarding the battery, it's just not revolutionary. Sitting around the 1 day mark. Has anyone had any positive battery life improvements using a custom kernel?

Turbine1991 said:
This isn't a rant, just things which I've noticed of considerable concern.
Hi, just a full disclosure. I bought a K20 Pro Chinese rom from Aliexpress, waited 3 months and watched a lot of reviews. I'm english speaking, so none of these issues were brought up in the video's I watched.
1) The speaker at the bottom is too easy to cover, as a right hand user. I cannot comfortably watch videos in portrait mode without accidentally concealing it.
2) The camera reflects its own infrared on closeup images of shiny objects.
https://imgur.com/9iCMfut
3) The display is not sharp. This clarity is comparable to the Galaxy S3, you can see the pixels individually and quite vividly. This makes icon edges appear blurry. I'll put this down to the low resolution, as compared to my 2k display of the Galaxy Note 5.
https://imgur.com/rExaM1Z
4) The display is very thin. Having come from the Galaxy Note 5, I'm used to a wider phone. But this is much to small to consume media in vertical form.
5) The battery life isn't great. It lasts a day, and only a day with medium use.
6) Gestures in Android 9 are broken. Specifically the 'recents gesture' and the 'go back'. I only had about a 10% success rate with the 'recents gesture', it just didn't want to work. Whereas the 'go back' gesture works a bit too well and I was constantly going back accidentally as you can swipe from either side.
7) MIUI is not good. I personally do not find it enjoyable to use.
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hmmm no way its comparable , fyi i still have mine retired S3 , a sammy user since galaxy S , size wise k20 pro its pretty standard , note series i is always consider a bigger size phone , similar one perhaps might be mi max ? battery seem good so far , sorry but older sammy phones model, battery life always fail me , gestures , never use , maybe i am old school , miui does take a while to get used to , just throw in a poco launcher ,never like miui messy home screen , and the price you paid for a sd855 , not sure what country you are from , a samsung comes with exynos chipset most of the time , cant expect top quality hardware in all aspect ?

1. This issue isn't exactly exclusive to the K20 Pro, many devices have bottom firing speakers, not really and issue for me. I am also right handed and I rarely cover the speaker when using it in landscape.
2. You can avoid the infrared reflection issue by switching to manual focus.
3. Imo the display is fine. You are just coming from a phone with a QHD display (you should have done your research before buying)
4. The display is supposed to be taller and the fact that its taller make its naturally narrower for its size (6.39") The aspect ratio (18:9) on the K20 Pro is is used on all modern flagships now as it is better suited to the portrait content that is consumed on a smartphone. and as for "This clarity is comparable to the Galaxy S3" either your device is faulty or you're just talking crap. The galaxy S3 has a pixel density of 306 ppi and the K20 Pro's display has a pixel density of 403 ppi which is more than a noticeable difference
5. Most people have reported great battery life. I have gotten 2 days on a single charge before and in some cases getting over 10 hours of screen on time unless you game then of course it wont last as long.
6. I haven't had any issues with MIUI gestures, they work perfectly fine for me.
7. I love MIUI, this is my first Xiaomi device. When I first ordered the device I didn't think I'd like MIUI and thought I would end up switching to a custom rom like Pixel Experience or Lineage but I learned to love it. MIUI has the best gestures, it looks awesome, it is well optimised and performs great with great battery life.
I did a considerable amount of research before buying. Some of the issue you have stated were mentioned like the bottom firing speaker, the display being FHD+, the infrared reflection wasn't an issue on your note 5 because the note 5 doesn't have laser autofocus (which can be disabled) this isnt really an issue its just an extra feature on the K20 Pro which you don't have to use.
The K20 Pro is far cheaper than any other current flagship out there, so you cant expect it to have all the same flagship features. They obviously had to save money in some areas, for example the display is FHD+ unlike some Samsung, LG, Sony and OnePlus devices which have QHD Displays, Gorilla Glass 5 instead of 6, no wireless charging, the type-c port is only USB 2.0, no IP rating when this devices has been proven to be considerably water resistant

lordkiller347 said:
1. This issue isn't exactly exclusive to the K20 Pro, many devices have bottom firing speakers, not really and issue for me. I am also right handed and I rarely cover the speaker when using it in landscape.
2. You can avoid the infrared reflection issue by switching to manual focus.
3. Imo the display is fine. You are just coming from a phone with a QHD display (you should have done your research before buying)
4. The display is supposed to be taller and the fact that its taller make its naturally narrower for its size (6.39") The aspect ratio (18:9) on the K20 Pro is is used on all modern flagships now as it is better suited to the portrait content that is consumed on a smartphone. and as for "This clarity is comparable to the Galaxy S3" either your device is faulty or you're just talking crap. The galaxy S3 has a pixel density of 306 ppi and the K20 Pro's display has a pixel density of 403 ppi which is more than a noticeable difference
5. Most people have reported great battery life. I have gotten 2 days on a single charge before and in some cases getting over 10 hours of screen on time unless you game then of course it wont last as long.
6. I haven't had any issues with MIUI gestures, they work perfectly fine for me.
7. I love MIUI, this is my first Xiaomi device. When I first ordered the device I didn't think I'd like MIUI and thought I would end up switching to a custom rom like Pixel Experience or Lineage but I learned to love it. MIUI has the best gestures, it looks awesome, it is well optimised and performs great with great battery life.
I did a considerable amount of research before buying. Some of the issue you have stated were mentioned like the bottom firing speaker, the display being FHD+, the infrared reflection wasn't an issue on your note 5 because the note 5 doesn't have laser autofocus (which can be disabled) this isnt really an issue its just an extra feature on the K20 Pro which you don't have to use.
The K20 Pro is far cheaper than any other current flagship out there, so you cant expect it to have all the same flagship features. They obviously had to save money in some areas, for example the display is FHD+ unlike some Samsung, LG, Sony and OnePlus devices which have QHD Displays, Gorilla Glass 5 instead of 6, no wireless charging, the type-c port is only USB 2.0, no IP rating when this devices has been proven to be considerably water resistant
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+1 to all of this except 7.
MIUI does have some plus points, but for me, nowhere near enough to compensate for it's bad points. The only thing I miss is MIUI gestures.
I bought the phone knowing I'd be going to custom ROMs as soon as the bootloader could be unlocked.
With a good custom ROM, I cannot fault the phone for it's price point.

I gotta say that I think the battery life is absolutely insane (I came from a jailbroken iPhone X, but had tons of Xiaomis etc before). I charge it every evening but sometimes I just dont, because I got 60+ % and it jsut doesnt feel right.
I use the MIUI 11 ROM from xiaomi.eu, and I really loved MIUI since MIUI 6/7. I enjoyed some extra features(really great dark mode, always on display, dual apps, ...) and the visual look of it. As far as I know there are already quite a lot of roms with stock android for the phone.

Robbo.5000 said:
+1 to all of this except 7.
MIUI does have some plus points, but for me, nowhere near enough to compensate for it's bad points. The only thing I miss is MIUI gestures.
I bought the phone knowing I'd be going to custom ROMs as soon as the bootloader could be unlocked.
With a good custom ROM, I cannot fault the phone for it's price point.
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You say it doesn't compensate for its bad point. If you're gonna say something like that then maybe you should enlighten us on what those bad points are.

lordkiller347 said:
You say it doesn't compensate for its bad point. If you're gonna say something like that then maybe you should enlighten us on what those bad points are.
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My main issues are
Data Harvesting - on a worse scale than Google
Ads - which are convoluted to turn off, though it's supposed to be easier in MIUI 11
Bloatware - There is an immense amount of bloat, most of which cannot be removed. Compare the running services of a freshly booted phone running MIUI with, say, an AOSP ROM and see the vast increase MIUI is running, the majority if which you have no idea what or why.
It was developed to be, and still is to some degree, an iOS clone.
There were others and if I were to revert back to MIUI I'd remember what they were.

Turbine1991 said:
Thanks for your positive feedback.
Someone suggested that I just rotate the phone 180 degrees to avoid covering the speaker, how does one enable this rotation in miui?
A suggestion was made about miui.eu, I plan to flash this when the 7 day unlock period expires.
Regarding the battery, it's just not revolutionary. Sitting around the 1 day mark. Has anyone had any positive battery life improvements using a custom kernel?
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Do you own the indian variant or chinese? Apparently the indian has a lower quality display, that could explain why some people aren't finding that themselves, because I own the chinese and its pretty damn clear; Even comparing it to friends S9/S10's and latest iPhones.

The screen doesn't seem pixelated to me. Perhaps you're used to higher resolution displays. I've upgraded from the OnePlus 5 and haven't seen a reduction in image quality.
Gestures work fine for me. I didn't need an adjustment period, they were pretty intuitive and back works pretty much every time (with no accidental back swipes), while recents works like 9/10 times.
I don't have a problem with covering the speaker. When watching YouTube I grip the phone by the middle section with one hand, I don't hold it with both hands like when you play games.
Battery life isn't extraordinary, but it's decent compared to my OnePlus 5.
You can debloat most MIUI ROMs using the Xiaomi ADB/Fastboot tool.

Looking forward to trying miui 11. It's not officially available yet to Chinese rom users outside China.

Turbine1991 said:
Looking forward to trying miui 11. It's not officially available yet to Chinese rom users outside China.
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xiaomi.eu is the way to go

Okay, real talk
point 5 is straight up trolling?
I have to charge mine like once in 2 days and you're talking about not great battery life - what the hell
A full charge gets me like 11 sometimes even 12 hours SoT with medium/normal usage (youtube, spotify, browsing, mails etc. - basically everything except games).
Do you game all day long or what?
what battery life do you expect anyway? Theres not many devices which can even last that long as the K20 Pro/Mi 9T Pro does (with somewhat similar pefomance obviously)

NZ Razer said:
Do you own the indian variant or chinese? Apparently the indian has a lower quality display, that could explain why some people aren't finding that themselves, because I own the chinese and its pretty damn clear; Even comparing it to friends S9/S10's and latest iPhones.
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OP must have a defective unit (battery, display). There is no way the display is 'poor' quality, compared to my 6T its much sharper and vivid. Battery life is also one of the best I have seen (less than 2% discharge overnight) I have been playing games on Dolphin, PPSSPP, etc and a full charge can easily last 4+ hours, and that's using emulators which are extreme battery hogs. Xiaomi have been pretty transparent about how and when they collect our data by giving us optout options nearly everywhere, which is something I cant say about other shady companies out there who are in the same line of business. Besides, data harvesting and adds can easily be tackled by debloating/flashing EU rom, where the 1st done doesn't even need root.
Finally coming from OOS the MIUI can be a pain to use but now I am beginning to like the features that it offers, for example, full-screen mode and gestures which I never thought would make my life so much easier. All in all this phone has been a wonderful upgrade for me and I couldn't be any happier.

Turbine1991 said:
Looking forward to trying miui 11. It's not officially available yet to Chinese rom users outside China.
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whats weird is many of mine country already gotten android 10 update , i didnt received any

Question Time to return

After spending just over a week with the FX3 pro think it's time to return it can't say I am blown away with it and don't feel it's a worthy successor to the FX2 pro
Battery life not that good having to quick charge at least twice to make it through the day ,
Camera has decent detail but colours are over saturated and not natural at all
Microscope lense is just pointless gimmicky lense and pretty useless in day to day use and hard to get a good in focus shot most of the time , detail quality reduces significantly when using zoom , again 10 bit photos is gimmicky when only the phone can display them at 10bit and when uploading to social media the quality is reduced to 8 bit anyway , performance for a SD 888 is disappointing this could be down to software optimization but stuttery web pages Facebook etc isn't grate and as mentioned Google feed is horrid considering its practically exact spec as the OnePlus 9 pro the bench marks are a lot less , maybe adaptive 120hz is to blame and not optimized correctly and even certain sites and apps just ain't optimized for high refresh rates , my 12 pro max with 60hz is smoother than 120hz on most social media and websites probably why apple have not jumped on the high refresh ban waggon admittedly swiping around the OS is a breeze but sadly that's were it ends , the chrome finish on the glossy black is just a step backward when most 2021 flagships are going for Matt finishes as the fingerprint and smudges are ridiculous on this device , sadly it's to many cons and that's just the major ones so will be retuning the device under my 28 day change of mind policy with the network , not being negative I'm sure most will be satisfied with the device but those things just make me think it's not worth the price tag that goes with it , and if you already have the X2 pro it's definitely not worth the upgrade yet

Wow what a shame that your journey with the FX3 turned out to be such a bad one.
I can't relate to most of your issues since my device is spot on from day 1
No lag or stutter and flawless benchmark scores, guess I am lucky and you got a Monday morning device.

Yes definitely or a Friday phone Lol should of known better than go with Chinese device , oh well on ward and upward

DoobyDroid said:
Yes definitely or a Friday phone Lol should of known better than go with Chinese device , oh well on ward and upward
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Only reason for me was the SD888 since I've had it with the Exynos issues by Samsung.
I did get the S21 Ultra 512Gb version first but that was a disappointment as well. It was a step back for me after the FX2Pro
Now I'm thinking about importing a SD version of the S21 Ultra, just not sure if that could give other issues on the Dutch networks

Yr I was looking at 21 ultra but a Friend had it for couple weeks and sent back due to camera not that grate although it's had a few updates since release and looking over on the forum camera updates so possibly better now and although previous exynos chips have been a let down against SD I think this time around it's slightly better not on par quiet but nearly but now you have said that I'm having second thoughts lol it's that or the dark side 12 pro Max , or stick with the x3 pro and see what updates address

DoobyDroid said:
Yr I was looking at 21 ultra but a Friend had it for couple weeks and sent back due to camera not that grate although it's had a few updates since release and looking over on the forum camera updates so possibly better now and although previous exynos chips have been a let down against SD I think this time around it's slightly better not on par quiet but nearly but now you have said that I'm having second thoughts lol it's that or the dark side 12 pro Max , or stick with the x3 pro and see what updates address
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Exynos 2100 is definitely not on oat with SD888 at least not with the S21 ultra. Had it for about a week and gladly returned it. My SD865 powered FX2Pro was performing much better compared to the Exynos powered S21U

I have no doubt" I'm just going on what bench comparison reviews I've seen yes still not as good but better than the S20 ultra's 990 was Vs 865 , Samsung slowly improving there chips , the one thing putting me of the 12 pro max is 60z going back from 120hz is horrid although I had the standard 12 prior to the x3 pro briefly after a few days you generally re adjust to 60hz as iOS is fairly buttery Smooth you do notice the odd stutter but what you loose in fluidnis you gain in battery so it's a question of trade offs and personal preference suppose camera samples do look better on the 12 pro max than s21 ultra more natural but does loose out to the s21 ultras video recording again it's what your willing to trade in one area to gain in another I personally very rarely even record video so not a big deal id rather have a better quick point and shoot cam, yes 21 ultra can do more and has multiple lenses and zooms but anything over 15x just starts to loose detail anyway so 108mp is pretty useless past that , decisions decisions one thing thought I'm really enjoying the 65w charging on X3 pro blazing fast and plugging in for 10 mins I'm good again for hrs I would definitely miss that if decide to exchange just wish the Sony 1 MK 3 was already out and I wouldn't have such hard time deciding as O2 have limited options to go for and nothing really new on the horizon for some time yet ,

patensas said:
Only reason for me was the SD888 since I've had it with the Exynos issues by Samsung.
I did get the S21 Ultra 512Gb version first but that was a disappointment as well. It was a step back for me after the FX2Pro
Now I'm thinking about importing a SD version of the S21 Ultra, just not sure if that could give other issues on the Dutch networks
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Why don't you just keep the x3 for another year? What do you not like about it?

latino147 said:
Why don't you just keep the x3 for another year? What do you not like about it?
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I miss the OneUI from Samsung devices and only reason I switched was the bad Exynos chip.
I miss the feeling I've got from the FX2Pro and the fact it did feel a bit more polished compared tot the FX3Pro
However I'll stick with the FX3Pro for a while to see what Oppo can do for us with firmware updates. As mentioned the latest firmware crippled my device when it comes to battery and performance, hoping they will fix this.
With previous firmware my device scored over 800000 point running Antutu 9, the latest firmware somewhere between 650 and 700000
Now I know benchmarks don't mean **** and real-life performance matters but also in real-life the performance dropped with latest firmware.
So if Oppo finds a way to fix the performance and battery drain with next update I'm cool.
Other small glitches on software side I can live with ( or solutions can be found )

Yeah, OneUI is almost perfect. Very customizable, especially with good lock.
Performance (s10+) wasn't that great though. My wife's s20 is still very choppy with 120hz activated.
And the fingerprint scanner on the s10 and s20 are terrible.
Oh, they should also start improving charge speeds! I can never go back to a 25W charger!

Seems a lot of mixed scores hear are my results Antutu 9.0.5

patensas said:
I miss the OneUI from Samsung devices and only reason I switched was the bad Exynos chip.
I miss the feeling I've got from the FX2Pro and the fact it did feel a bit more polished compared tot the FX3Pro
However I'll stick with the FX3Pro for a while to see what Oppo can do for us with firmware updates. As mentioned the latest firmware crippled my device when it comes to battery and performance, hoping they will fix this.
With previous firmware my device scored over 800000 point running Antutu 9, the latest firmware somewhere between 650 and 700000
Now I know benchmarks don't mean **** and real-life performance matters but also in real-life the performance dropped with latest firmware.
So if Oppo finds a way to fix the performance and battery drain with next update I'm cool.
Other small glitches on software side I can live with ( or solutions can be found )
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Hey, may I know how the FX3 pro fares currently?
Planning to buy one or wait for the reno7pro/s21fe. Wanna move away from Xiaomi now. The 1+ 9pro does not have certain 5g bands i need

I am going to return it too in the end..battery life isn't that great and no root etc. Zoom pics not so sharp. But the other alternative is s21exynos but I doubt with fine tuning will go worse than my actual immortal s10 For the high temp I usually downcloak from kernel ..so i think it will be ok.
Chooo

Question Xiaomi MI 11 Ultra Battery & Overall experience

Hello,
I'm currently a Rog Phone 5 user who is looking to get a new secondary device. There's so many options out there but I'm stuck between the Mi 11 Ultra, Honor Magic 3 Pro Plus & Huawei P50 Pro.
Main thing for me is battery life & speaker quality. I've seen YouTube battery tests with the mi11 ultra & they look below average or average at best. But these videos on YouTube are few months old & obviously the mi11 ultra has had software updates which I hope have increased battery performance. I know the battery life isn't as good as my Rog Phone 5, but, how good is the actually battery with the latest update(s)? I'm not a gamer. But I do use camera, YouTube, web browsing & maps frequently. Also, I heard the speakers are great, how good are they compared to the Rog phone 5?
The Huawei p50 Pro only has 1 review because it's based in China only ATM (I can import it though). But, that review says that it heats up alot and the video recording is underwhelming. I'm not going to go by DXO mark as they have strange rankings My only other option is the Honor Magic 3 Pro Plus but the price tag on that (£1150) just isn't justified as I can pick up the mi 11 Ultra for £650 brand new (256gb/8gb) Model. Furthermore, there's no reviews of the Magic 3 Pro Plus at all whatsoever.
If someone could tell me about the mi11 ultra battery life in the following scenarios that would be highly appreciated & please bear in mind that my area doesn't have 5g so all scenarios below are with 4g & 3g connectivity:
120hz+WQHD ?
120hz+FHD+?
60hz+WQHD?
60hz+FHD+?
Also, is there a 90hz option for the mi 11 Ultra?
Does the mi 11 Ultra get warm/hot with light usage? By light usage I mean by just using YouTube or browsing the web. My Rog 5 reaches 30 degrees by just using YouTube or web browsing but I've been told this is normal.
Are the speakers good (how good compared to Rog 5)?
Are the cameras as good as everyone says (Photos, videos, night photos)?
How is the software update support (frequent updates)?
If you had a choice, would you keep your mi11 ultra or swap it for a Huawei p50 Pro or honor magic 3 pro plus?
Anyone wishing they never bought the mi11 ultra?
Last but not least, what are the negatives & positives of the mi 11 Ultra?
I highly appreciate you taking the time to read this post & for your kind feedback. I look forward to seeing what you guys have to say

The only thing better than the rog phone 5 is probably the camera + screen

120hz+wqhd+4g can last about 6h on screen, with medium gaming time
Camera is very good (of course rog5 cant have a Chance)
Light use the phone with warm up a bit
Cons: problem with too large sensor of camera, img easily got blur at edge

Thanos88 said:
Hello,
I'm currently a Rog Phone 5 user who is looking to get a new secondary device. There's so many options out there but I'm stuck between the Mi 11 Ultra, Honor Magic 3 Pro Plus & Huawei P50 Pro.
Main thing for me is battery life & speaker quality. I've seen YouTube battery tests with the mi11 ultra & they look below average or average at best. But these videos on YouTube are few months old & obviously the mi11 ultra has had software updates which I hope have increased battery performance. I know the battery life isn't as good as my Rog Phone 5, but, how good is the actually battery with the latest update(s)? I'm not a gamer. But I do use camera, YouTube, web browsing & maps frequently. Also, I heard the speakers are great, how good are they compared to the Rog phone 5?
The Huawei p50 Pro only has 1 review because it's based in China only ATM (I can import it though). But, that review says that it heats up alot and the video recording is underwhelming. I'm not going to go by DXO mark as they have strange rankings My only other option is the Honor Magic 3 Pro Plus but the price tag on that (£1150) just isn't justified as I can pick up the mi 11 Ultra for £650 brand new (256gb/8gb) Model. Furthermore, there's no reviews of the Magic 3 Pro Plus at all whatsoever.
If someone could tell me about the mi11 ultra battery life in the following scenarios that would be highly appreciated & please bear in mind that my area doesn't have 5g so all scenarios below are with 4g & 3g connectivity:
120hz+WQHD ?
120hz+FHD+?
60hz+WQHD?
60hz+FHD+?
Also, is there a 90hz option for the mi 11 Ultra?
Does the mi 11 Ultra get warm/hot with light usage? By light usage I mean by just using YouTube or browsing the web. My Rog 5 reaches 30 degrees by just using YouTube or web browsing but I've been told this is normal.
Are the speakers good (how good compared to Rog 5)?
Are the cameras as good as everyone says (Photos, videos, night photos)?
How is the software update support (frequent updates)?
If you had a choice, would you keep your mi11 ultra or swap it for a Huawei p50 Pro or honor magic 3 pro plus?
Anyone wishing they never bought the mi11 ultra?
Last but not least, what are the negatives & positives of the mi 11 Ultra?
I highly appreciate you taking the time to read this post & for your kind feedback. I look forward to seeing what you guys have to say
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You will get 6.5 hours to 7 hours SOT if you use the entire battery from 100% to 1% this is on 120Hz+WQHD
But this also depends upon when do you use the device. For example if you charge it and straight away use it for an extended period of time, you will obviously get a better SOT. If you charge it and keep it overnight standby, and then use it intermittently with brief periods of dozes obviously you will get less SOT. That said you will get atleast a day of usage and then some, if you don't game a lot. Camera drains the battery like crazy. So that's another variable.
Heat-I don't know what expectations you have from your phone but the normal operating temperature for this phone and Snapdragon 888 chips in general is 32-40 degree Celsius in normal usage. It fluctuates. Heat dissipation is excellent and hence you feel the surface and chassis getting hot. On charging the temperatures reach 40-42 degrees in later stages. Haven't gamed on this phone, but on camera usage, the temperature easily reaches 47-48 degree Celsius within 10-15 min of usage. Beyond 47 degrees it warns you the exposure won't work unless you cool down the phone, you can still use the camera but do so at your own risk. At this point if you are using this phone without a cover or case, it will become unbearable to hold specially the metal frame and also top back of the phone where the camera module is. All this ofcourse varies with ambient temperatures and I have provided an account with ambient temperature of 35-38 degree Celsius.
It has excellent speakers bested only by your own device the ROG phone 5. So for anyone else it would be an upgrade but for you it might feel like a downgrade if you compare side by side. There is no proper vent for top speaker, it is actually a dual eapiece speaker set. The grill on the top is just for aesthetics.
Cameras are the reason we all are with this device and they are exceptional. The most versatile camera system this year. Coming from ROG phone 5 it would seem like a massive massive upgrade.
Software is the Achilles Heal of this device. MIUI is a great ROM but notorious for its bugs. The updates are few and far in between. Compare it to any other smartphone launched this year and it falls far behind when it comes to Software Support. Ofcourse this varies by region, China for example gets weekly updates, India for example has recieve only one update since the July launch here. Compare this to OnePlus 9Pro which has received excess of 3 updates within one month. Most people switch their ROM to Xiaomi dot EU or China ROM.
Do I regret buying this phone - No because it was an excellent bang for the buck. I chose this over OnePlus 9 Pro, Samsung S21+, Vivo x60pro+ and iPhone 12. It was cheapest of them all with better feature set. The only lacking feature in Mi 11 Ultra was lack of variable refresh rate/LTPO display so the display is locked between 120Hz and 60Hz. This adds to heating, and worsens the battery life. If it had LTPO display like others I don't think this phone would be having any deficiency compared to others and the battery life would truly feel like the one we should get with a 5k mAh battery.
Does that mean I am very satisfied with my purchase? No. My two biggest qualms are the Heat and the software support or lack thereof. Indian MIUI is a bit buggy but nothing major. Bugs like Dark Mode-q patching white text black on black background in a couple of apps, calender unable to calculate date interval. Minor stuff. But there has been no update to fix or limit the heating issues and it seems the only update we will get this year is the MIUI Enhanced Edition update that will have different performance mode using which we can limit some heat. This and maybe MIUI 13 by the end of the year.
I can't comment on the other two devices as they are not available here, but having used Flagships before (OnePlus) my no 1 requirement was Camera. But also the package as a whole. If another phone had better feature set and cameras in the price range I was looking for would have certainly opted for it. Like Vivo had excellent cameras but no IP rating, inferior display protections, smaller battery for exact same price here. So although the cameras were excellent I didn't opt for it mainly because of these issues as well as lack of commitment from Vivo to provide 3 years or even 2 years of updates. Also community support has been excellent for Xiaomi Phones and very poor for Vivo, you can check here on XDA.
Hope this helps.

shalabhvickysom said:
You will get 6.5 hours to 7 hours SOT if you use the entire battery from 100% to 1% this is on 120Hz+WQHD
But this also depends upon when do you use the device. For example if you charge it and straight away use it for an extended period of time, you will obviously get a better SOT. If you charge it and keep it overnight standby, and then use it intermittently with brief periods of dozes obviously you will get less SOT. That said you will get atleast a day of usage and then some, if you don't game a lot. Camera drains the battery like crazy. So that's another variable.
Heat-I don't know what expectations you have from your phone but the normal operating temperature for this phone and Snapdragon 888 chips in general is 32-40 degree Celsius in normal usage. It fluctuates. Heat dissipation is excellent and hence you feel the surface and chassis getting hot. On charging the temperatures reach 40-42 degrees in later stages. Haven't gamed on this phone, but on camera usage, the temperature easily reaches 47-48 degree Celsius within 10-15 min of usage. Beyond 47 degrees it warns you the exposure won't work unless you cool down the phone, you can still use the camera but do so at your own risk. At this point if you are using this phone without a cover or case, it will become unbearable to hold specially the metal frame and also top back of the phone where the camera module is. All this ofcourse varies with ambient temperatures and I have provided an account with ambient temperature of 35-38 degree Celsius.
It has excellent speakers bested only by your own device the ROG phone 5. So for anyone else it would be an upgrade but for you it might feel like a downgrade if you compare side by side. There is no proper vent for top speaker, it is actually a dual eapiece speaker set. The grill on the top is just for aesthetics.
Cameras are the reason we all are with this device and they are exceptional. The most versatile camera system this year. Coming from ROG phone 5 it would seem like a massive massive upgrade.
Software is the Achilles Heal of this device. MIUI is a great ROM but notorious for its bugs. The updates are few and far in between. Compare it to any other smartphone launched this year and it falls far behind when it comes to Software Support. Ofcourse this varies by region, China for example gets weekly updates, India for example has recieve only one update since the July launch here. Compare this to OnePlus 9Pro which has received excess of 3 updates within one month. Most people switch their ROM to Xiaomi dot EU or China ROM.
Do I regret buying this phone - No because it was an excellent bang for the buck. I chose this over OnePlus 9 Pro, Samsung S21+, Vivo x60pro+ and iPhone 12. It was cheapest of them all with better feature set. The only lacking feature in Mi 11 Ultra was lack of variable refresh rate/LTPO display so the display is locked between 120Hz and 60Hz. This adds to heating, and worsens the battery life. If it had LTPO display like others I don't think this phone would be having any deficiency compared to others and the battery life would truly feel like the one we should get with a 5k mAh battery.
Does that mean I am very satisfied with my purchase? No. My two biggest qualms are the Heat and the software support or lack thereof. Indian MIUI is a bit buggy but nothing major. Bugs like Dark Mode-q patching white text black on black background in a couple of apps, calender unable to calculate date interval. Minor stuff. But there has been no update to fix or limit the heating issues and it seems the only update we will get this year is the MIUI Enhanced Edition update that will have different performance mode using which we can limit some heat. This and maybe MIUI 13 by the end of the year.
I can't comment on the other two devices as they are not available here, but having used Flagships before (OnePlus) my no 1 requirement was Camera. But also the package as a whole. If another phone had better feature set and cameras in the price range I was looking for would have certainly opted for it. Like Vivo had excellent cameras but no IP rating, inferior display protections, smaller battery for exact same price here. So although the cameras were excellent I didn't opt for it mainly because of these issues as well as lack of commitment from Vivo to provide 3 years or even 2 years of updates. Also community support has been excellent for Xiaomi Phones and very poor for Vivo, you can check here on XDA.
Hope this helps.
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Thank you very much for this thorough and detailed response you've basically made my mind up for me and I won't be purchasing it. Heat is concerning as it seems that it heats up more than the Rog 5. I highly appreciate your response, many many thanks

hungragezone said:
120hz+wqhd+4g can last about 6h on screen, with medium gaming time
Camera is very good (of course rog5 cant have a Chance)
Light use the phone with warm up a bit
Cons: problem with too large sensor of camera, img easily got blur at edge
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speedtripler said:
The only thing better than the rog phone 5 is probably the camera + screen
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shalabhvickysom said:
You will get 6.5 hours to 7 hours SOT if you use the entire battery from 100% to 1% this is on 120Hz+WQHD
But this also depends upon when do you use the device. For example if you charge it and straight away use it for an extended period of time, you will obviously get a better SOT. If you charge it and keep it overnight standby, and then use it intermittently with brief periods of dozes obviously you will get less SOT. That said you will get atleast a day of usage and then some, if you don't game a lot. Camera drains the battery like crazy. So that's another variable.
Heat-I don't know what expectations you have from your phone but the normal operating temperature for this phone and Snapdragon 888 chips in general is 32-40 degree Celsius in normal usage. It fluctuates. Heat dissipation is excellent and hence you feel the surface and chassis getting hot. On charging the temperatures reach 40-42 degrees in later stages. Haven't gamed on this phone, but on camera usage, the temperature easily reaches 47-48 degree Celsius within 10-15 min of usage. Beyond 47 degrees it warns you the exposure won't work unless you cool down the phone, you can still use the camera but do so at your own risk. At this point if you are using this phone without a cover or case, it will become unbearable to hold specially the metal frame and also top back of the phone where the camera module is. All this ofcourse varies with ambient temperatures and I have provided an account with ambient temperature of 35-38 degree Celsius.
It has excellent speakers bested only by your own device the ROG phone 5. So for anyone else it would be an upgrade but for you it might feel like a downgrade if you compare side by side. There is no proper vent for top speaker, it is actually a dual eapiece speaker set. The grill on the top is just for aesthetics.
Cameras are the reason we all are with this device and they are exceptional. The most versatile camera system this year. Coming from ROG phone 5 it would seem like a massive massive upgrade.
Software is the Achilles Heal of this device. MIUI is a great ROM but notorious for its bugs. The updates are few and far in between. Compare it to any other smartphone launched this year and it falls far behind when it comes to Software Support. Ofcourse this varies by region, China for example gets weekly updates, India for example has recieve only one update since the July launch here. Compare this to OnePlus 9Pro which has received excess of 3 updates within one month. Most people switch their ROM to Xiaomi dot EU or China ROM.
Do I regret buying this phone - No because it was an excellent bang for the buck. I chose this over OnePlus 9 Pro, Samsung S21+, Vivo x60pro+ and iPhone 12. It was cheapest of them all with better feature set. The only lacking feature in Mi 11 Ultra was lack of variable refresh rate/LTPO display so the display is locked between 120Hz and 60Hz. This adds to heating, and worsens the battery life. If it had LTPO display like others I don't think this phone would be having any deficiency compared to others and the battery life would truly feel like the one we should get with a 5k mAh battery.
Does that mean I am very satisfied with my purchase? No. My two biggest qualms are the Heat and the software support or lack thereof. Indian MIUI is a bit buggy but nothing major. Bugs like Dark Mode-q patching white text black on black background in a couple of apps, calender unable to calculate date interval. Minor stuff. But there has been no update to fix or limit the heating issues and it seems the only update we will get this year is the MIUI Enhanced Edition update that will have different performance mode using which we can limit some heat. This and maybe MIUI 13 by the end of the year.
I can't comment on the other two devices as they are not available here, but having used Flagships before (OnePlus) my no 1 requirement was Camera. But also the package as a whole. If another phone had better feature set and cameras in the price range I was looking for would have certainly opted for it. Like Vivo had excellent cameras but no IP rating, inferior display protections, smaller battery for exact same price here. So although the cameras were excellent I didn't opt for it mainly because of these issues as well as lack of commitment from Vivo to provide 3 years or even 2 years of updates. Also community support has been excellent for Xiaomi Phones and very poor for Vivo, you can check here on XDA.
Hope this helps.
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U r wrong with "the display is locked between 120Hz and 60Hz". It will be variable depend on what app u r using. So people have some trick to make the display stick with 120Hz all the time

shalabhvickysom said:
You will get 6.5 hours to 7 hours SOT if you use the entire battery from 100% to 1% this is on 120Hz+WQHD
But this also depends upon when do you use the device. For example if you charge it and straight away use it for an extended period of time, you will obviously get a better SOT. If you charge it and keep it overnight standby, and then use it intermittently with brief periods of dozes obviously you will get less SOT. That said you will get atleast a day of usage and then some, if you don't game a lot. Camera drains the battery like crazy. So that's another variable.
Heat-I don't know what expectations you have from your phone but the normal operating temperature for this phone and Snapdragon 888 chips in general is 32-40 degree Celsius in normal usage. It fluctuates. Heat dissipation is excellent and hence you feel the surface and chassis getting hot. On charging the temperatures reach 40-42 degrees in later stages. Haven't gamed on this phone, but on camera usage, the temperature easily reaches 47-48 degree Celsius within 10-15 min of usage. Beyond 47 degrees it warns you the exposure won't work unless you cool down the phone, you can still use the camera but do so at your own risk. At this point if you are using this phone without a cover or case, it will become unbearable to hold specially the metal frame and also top back of the phone where the camera module is. All this ofcourse varies with ambient temperatures and I have provided an account with ambient temperature of 35-38 degree Celsius.
It has excellent speakers bested only by your own device the ROG phone 5. So for anyone else it would be an upgrade but for you it might feel like a downgrade if you compare side by side. There is no proper vent for top speaker, it is actually a dual eapiece speaker set. The grill on the top is just for aesthetics.
Cameras are the reason we all are with this device and they are exceptional. The most versatile camera system this year. Coming from ROG phone 5 it would seem like a massive massive upgrade.
Software is the Achilles Heal of this device. MIUI is a great ROM but notorious for its bugs. The updates are few and far in between. Compare it to any other smartphone launched this year and it falls far behind when it comes to Software Support. Ofcourse this varies by region, China for example gets weekly updates, India for example has recieve only one update since the July launch here. Compare this to OnePlus 9Pro which has received excess of 3 updates within one month. Most people switch their ROM to Xiaomi dot EU or China ROM.
Do I regret buying this phone - No because it was an excellent bang for the buck. I chose this over OnePlus 9 Pro, Samsung S21+, Vivo x60pro+ and iPhone 12. It was cheapest of them all with better feature set. The only lacking feature in Mi 11 Ultra was lack of variable refresh rate/LTPO display so the display is locked between 120Hz and 60Hz. This adds to heating, and worsens the battery life. If it had LTPO display like others I don't think this phone would be having any deficiency compared to others and the battery life would truly feel like the one we should get with a 5k mAh battery.
Does that mean I am very satisfied with my purchase? No. My two biggest qualms are the Heat and the software support or lack thereof. Indian MIUI is a bit buggy but nothing major. Bugs like Dark Mode-q patching white text black on black background in a couple of apps, calender unable to calculate date interval. Minor stuff. But there has been no update to fix or limit the heating issues and it seems the only update we will get this year is the MIUI Enhanced Edition update that will have different performance mode using which we can limit some heat. This and maybe MIUI 13 by the end of the year.
I can't comment on the other two devices as they are not available here, but having used Flagships before (OnePlus) my no 1 requirement was Camera. But also the package as a whole. If another phone had better feature set and cameras in the price range I was looking for would have certainly opted for it. Like Vivo had excellent cameras but no IP rating, inferior display protections, smaller battery for exact same price here. So although the cameras were excellent I didn't opt for it mainly because of these issues as well as lack of commitment from Vivo to provide 3 years or even 2 years of updates. Also community support has been excellent for Xiaomi Phones and very poor for Vivo, you can check here on XDA.
Hope this helps.
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I thought the display is variable from 30hz 60hz to 120hz on what content is on the screen

shalabhvickysom said:
You will get 6.5 hours to 7 hours SOT if you use the entire battery from 100% to 1% this is on 120Hz+WQHD
But this also depends upon when do you use the device. For example if you charge it and straight away use it for an extended period of time, you will obviously get a better SOT. If you charge it and keep it overnight standby, and then use it intermittently with brief periods of dozes obviously you will get less SOT. That said you will get atleast a day of usage and then some, if you don't game a lot. Camera drains the battery like crazy. So that's another variable.
Heat-I don't know what expectations you have from your phone but the normal operating temperature for this phone and Snapdragon 888 chips in general is 32-40 degree Celsius in normal usage. It fluctuates. Heat dissipation is excellent and hence you feel the surface and chassis getting hot. On charging the temperatures reach 40-42 degrees in later stages. Haven't gamed on this phone, but on camera usage, the temperature easily reaches 47-48 degree Celsius within 10-15 min of usage. Beyond 47 degrees it warns you the exposure won't work unless you cool down the phone, you can still use the camera but do so at your own risk. At this point if you are using this phone without a cover or case, it will become unbearable to hold specially the metal frame and also top back of the phone where the camera module is. All this ofcourse varies with ambient temperatures and I have provided an account with ambient temperature of 35-38 degree Celsius.
It has excellent speakers bested only by your own device the ROG phone 5. So for anyone else it would be an upgrade but for you it might feel like a downgrade if you compare side by side. There is no proper vent for top speaker, it is actually a dual eapiece speaker set. The grill on the top is just for aesthetics.
Cameras are the reason we all are with this device and they are exceptional. The most versatile camera system this year. Coming from ROG phone 5 it would seem like a massive massive upgrade.
Software is the Achilles Heal of this device. MIUI is a great ROM but notorious for its bugs. The updates are few and far in between. Compare it to any other smartphone launched this year and it falls far behind when it comes to Software Support. Ofcourse this varies by region, China for example gets weekly updates, India for example has recieve only one update since the July launch here. Compare this to OnePlus 9Pro which has received excess of 3 updates within one month. Most people switch their ROM to Xiaomi dot EU or China ROM.
Do I regret buying this phone - No because it was an excellent bang for the buck. I chose this over OnePlus 9 Pro, Samsung S21+, Vivo x60pro+ and iPhone 12. It was cheapest of them all with better feature set. The only lacking feature in Mi 11 Ultra was lack of variable refresh rate/LTPO display so the display is locked between 120Hz and 60Hz. This adds to heating, and worsens the battery life. If it had LTPO display like others I don't think this phone would be having any deficiency compared to others and the battery life would truly feel like the one we should get with a 5k mAh battery.
Does that mean I am very satisfied with my purchase? No. My two biggest qualms are the Heat and the software support or lack thereof. Indian MIUI is a bit buggy but nothing major. Bugs like Dark Mode-q patching white text black on black background in a couple of apps, calender unable to calculate date interval. Minor stuff. But there has been no update to fix or limit the heating issues and it seems the only update we will get this year is the MIUI Enhanced Edition update that will have different performance mode using which we can limit some heat. This and maybe MIUI 13 by the end of the year.
I can't comment on the other two devices as they are not available here, but having used Flagships before (OnePlus) my no 1 requirement was Camera. But also the package as a whole. If another phone had better feature set and cameras in the price range I was looking for would have certainly opted for it. Like Vivo had excellent cameras but no IP rating, inferior display protections, smaller battery for exact same price here. So although the cameras were excellent I didn't opt for it mainly because of these issues as well as lack of commitment from Vivo to provide 3 years or even 2 years of updates. Also community support has been excellent for Xiaomi Phones and very poor for Vivo, you can check here on XDA.
Hope this helps.
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Couldn't say it any better. That's my thoughts exactly. One more thing i noticed is the signal reception. If the reception is average or below don't expect to make the day. I worked on a place with below average 4g and 3g signal, without changing my habits of usage the battery was 25-30% around 15:00 in the afternoon. It was so bad that i ordered a battery case to double it's battery life so i can get home without running out of battery. On my new site i'm getting home with 65-70% at about 19:00 in the evening with the very same usage as everyday. So the phone is very signal dependant. More than any other device i've had. But if you're on wifi or usually in areas with proper reception you shouldn't have any problems.

Definitely not a battery life champion phone

I always make the same use of my phones, and the M11U has better battery life than my previous Oneplus 7T Pro and Huawei Mate 20 Pro.

battery last about half (if not less) than my p30 pro did

themissionimpossible said:
I always make the same use of my phones, and the M11U has better battery life than my previous Oneplus 7T Pro and Huawei Mate 20 Pro.
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Bigger battery tho

Thanos88 said:
Hello,
I'm currently a Rog Phone 5 user who is looking to get a new secondary device. There's so many options out there but I'm stuck between the Mi 11 Ultra, Honor Magic 3 Pro Plus & Huawei P50 Pro.
Main thing for me is battery life & speaker quality. I've seen YouTube battery tests with the mi11 ultra & they look below average or average at best. But these videos on YouTube are few months old & obviously the mi11 ultra has had software updates which I hope have increased battery performance. I know the battery life isn't as good as my Rog Phone 5, but, how good is the actually battery with the latest update(s)? I'm not a gamer. But I do use camera, YouTube, web browsing & maps frequently. Also, I heard the speakers are great, how good are they compared to the Rog phone 5?
The Huawei p50 Pro only has 1 review because it's based in China only ATM (I can import it though). But, that review says that it heats up alot and the video recording is underwhelming. I'm not going to go by DXO mark as they have strange rankings My only other option is the Honor Magic 3 Pro Plus but the price tag on that (£1150) just isn't justified as I can pick up the mi 11 Ultra for £650 brand new (256gb/8gb) Model. Furthermore, there's no reviews of the Magic 3 Pro Plus at all whatsoever.
If someone could tell me about the mi11 ultra battery life in the following scenarios that would be highly appreciated & please bear in mind that my area doesn't have 5g so all scenarios below are with 4g & 3g connectivity:
120hz+WQHD ?
120hz+FHD+?
60hz+WQHD?
60hz+FHD+?
Also, is there a 90hz option for the mi 11 Ultra?
Does the mi 11 Ultra get warm/hot with light usage? By light usage I mean by just using YouTube or browsing the web. My Rog 5 reaches 30 degrees by just using YouTube or web browsing but I've been told this is normal.
Are the speakers good (how good compared to Rog 5)?
Are the cameras as good as everyone says (Photos, videos, night photos)?
How is the software update support (frequent updates)?
If you had a choice, would you keep your mi11 ultra or swap it for a Huawei p50 Pro or honor magic 3 pro plus?
Anyone wishing they never bought the mi11 ultra?
Last but not least, what are the negatives & positives of the mi 11 Ultra?
I highly appreciate you taking the time to read this post & for your kind feedback. I look forward to seeing what you guys have to say
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Battery is **** considering this is a flagship phone. Luckily I didn't pay flagship price, as I imported it. But if I did, I'd be really pissed.
Camera is the best I've ever seen and used
Yes, it does get warm/hot while using and while charging. You also get battery drain when that happens.
Speakers are outstandingly loud and clear
I'm using xiaomi.eu ROMs, so I'm happy with the updates
If I had the choice, I'd keep my mi 11 ultra

Thanos88 said:
Hello,
I'm currently a Rog Phone 5 user who is looking to get a new secondary device. There's so many options out there but I'm stuck between the Mi 11 Ultra, Honor Magic 3 Pro Plus & Huawei P50 Pro.
Main thing for me is battery life & speaker quality. I've seen YouTube battery tests with the mi11 ultra & they look below average or average at best. But these videos on YouTube are few months old & obviously the mi11 ultra has had software updates which I hope have increased battery performance. I know the battery life isn't as good as my Rog Phone 5, but, how good is the actually battery with the latest update(s)? I'm not a gamer. But I do use camera, YouTube, web browsing & maps frequently. Also, I heard the speakers are great, how good are they compared to the Rog phone 5?
The Huawei p50 Pro only has 1 review because it's based in China only ATM (I can import it though). But, that review says that it heats up alot and the video recording is underwhelming. I'm not going to go by DXO mark as they have strange rankings My only other option is the Honor Magic 3 Pro Plus but the price tag on that (£1150) just isn't justified as I can pick up the mi 11 Ultra for £650 brand new (256gb/8gb) Model. Furthermore, there's no reviews of the Magic 3 Pro Plus at all whatsoever.
If someone could tell me about the mi11 ultra battery life in the following scenarios that would be highly appreciated & please bear in mind that my area doesn't have 5g so all scenarios below are with 4g & 3g connectivity:
120hz+WQHD ?
120hz+FHD+?
60hz+WQHD?
60hz+FHD+?
Also, is there a 90hz option for the mi 11 Ultra?
Does the mi 11 Ultra get warm/hot with light usage? By light usage I mean by just using YouTube or browsing the web. My Rog 5 reaches 30 degrees by just using YouTube or web browsing but I've been told this is normal.
Are the speakers good (how good compared to Rog 5)?
Are the cameras as good as everyone says (Photos, videos, night photos)?
How is the software update support (frequent updates)?
If you had a choice, would you keep your mi11 ultra or swap it for a Huawei p50 Pro or honor magic 3 pro plus?
Anyone wishing they never bought the mi11 ultra?
Last but not least, what are the negatives & positives of the mi 11 Ultra?
I highly appreciate you taking the time to read this post & for your kind feedback. I look forward to seeing what you guys have to say
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The mi 11 Ultra is a fantastic phone. But in my opinion the best Android phone you can buy right now is the Pixel 6 Pro.
The smart fe game changer. I'm pretty blown away.

What's so great about it?

xNAPx said:
What's so great about it?
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Not much , 2 hour charging lol

Honestly looking around I can't see better device than this Mi11 Ultra for 2021

I haven't seen a significantly better phone yet in every area
There's the odd phone that does 1 thing better but nearly everything else is sub par
If I saw a better phone id buy it but there's literally nothing on the market yet

Question S21 Ultra or Pixel 6 Pro

I'm debating for weeks now on which phone to upgrade my small Pixel 2. I love its camera but battery life sucks, even after replacing the battery.
I am able to buy a new Samsung S21 Ultra for 720 euros or try to import the new Pixel 6 Pro for 900 euros.
Which one would you choose and why?
Cheers

Personally I'd stick with the s21 ultra. If the pixel was a massive jump I might of swapped over but it's not great, battery is a bit rubbish. It's just ok...I think the s21 wins in more ways. Id like stock android though for sure

I would stay with the S21, other than stock android and a few software tricks it beats the Pixel 6 Pro hands down.

S21 Ultra any day...
Or the Pixel 6 if you are not into photography and don't need the extra 4x optical zoom of the Pro

Badelhas said:
I'm debating for weeks now on which phone to upgrade my small Pixel 2. I love its camera but battery life sucks, even after replacing the battery.
I am able to buy a new Samsung S21 Ultra for 720 euros or try to import the new Pixel 6 Pro for 900 euros.
Which one would you choose and why?
Cheers
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S21 Ultra (snapdragon) with Gcam. Best of both worlds for me.

tfn said:
S21 Ultra any day...
Or the Pixel 6 if you are not into photography and don't need the extra 4x optical zoom of the Pro
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I'm into photography. Love the Oppo Reno 10x Zoom that that I won on a giveaway 2 years ago and gave to my wife (features that she doesn't use, tbh).
But I've read that the S21 Ultra is terrible taking pictures for moving stuff because of the shutter lag. Is this true?
Where I live I can't get the snapdragon version, unfortunately.
Thank you all for your opinions.

I had the Pixel 3 XL then Pixel 4 XL because Google kept showing off great features that were eventually only released in the U.S. Call screening, call waiting, even certain features of Google Photos. They are doing that same bull**** about the Pixel 6 chip is needed for the eraser feature, yet the feature has been proven to work on older Pixels. They excel in camera/photos and new features but fail to deliver a whole package when it comes to phones. And they are the best in class for bait and switch tactics with their phones. As I mentioned, I got the Pixel 2 for call screening, and then they dropped the bombshell coming soon outside the U.S. The same with the Pixel 4, it's coming soon so I stayed with them. Now nearly 4 years later the feature has arrived, I gave up waiting.

lywyn said:
I had the Pixel 3 XL then Pixel 4 XL because Google kept showing off great features that were eventually only released in the U.S. Call screening, call waiting, even certain features of Google Photos. They are doing that same bull**** about the Pixel 6 chip is needed for the eraser feature, yet the feature has been proven to work on older Pixels. They excel in camera/photos and new features but fail to deliver a whole package when it comes to phones. And they are the best in class for bait and switch tactics with their phones. As I mentioned, I got the Pixel 2 for call screening, and then they dropped the bombshell coming soon outside the U.S. The same with the Pixel 4, it's coming soon so I stayed with them. Now nearly 4 years later the feature has arrived, I gave up waiting.
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Yeah, your right, most of the smart features they announced don't even work in Portugal, where I live. Some of them can work in the future but who knows. Which phone do you own now? Are you thinking about switching? If you were me: Samsung S21 Ultra for 720 euros or Pixel 6 Pro for 900 euros?
Cheers

Badelhas said:
Yeah, your right, most of the smart features they announced don't even work in Portugal, where I live. Some of them can work in the future but who knows. Which phone do you own now? Are you thinking about switching? If you were me: Samsung S21 Ultra for 720 euros or Pixel 6 Pro for 900 euros?
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I have the S21 Ultra. Switched after getting sold a lie by Google too often. Even the photos "free pixel" storage was removed for older Pixels. Classic a bit and switches as per Google One is now a must-have for Pixel owners.
Now they are selling a 30W fast charger with claims the Pixel 6 supports it, but again lies and false claims.
Pixel 6 devices don’t really charge at 30W speeds
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I have the S21 Ultra. Switched after getting sold a lie by Google too often. Even the photos "free pixel" storage was removed for older Pixels. Classic a bit and switches as per Google One is now a must-have for Pixel owners.
Now they are selling a 30W fast charger with claims the Pixel 6 supports it, but again lies and false claims.
Pixel 6 devices don’t really charge at 30W speeds
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I know. And they claim that the fingerprint reader is slow for security reasons. lol.
So you are happy with your S21 Ultra? What were the downsides and upsides from switching from stock android from your old Pixel?
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I know. And they claim that the fingerprint reader is slow for security reasons. lol.
So you are happy with your S21 Ultra? What were the downsides and upsides from switching from stock android from your old Pixel?
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They integrate more with Google, supporting Google Messages, Photos, Discovery, etc. But the are still niggles that I've had to get used to. The biggest annoyance is Samsung making screenshots part of the photos/camera storage folder so they are included in Google Photos backups. I am moving off Google services bit by bit due to them just cancelling things or removing free from things. You can use Android gestures for navigation so the switch was easier than I thought it would be. Everything Samsung say the phone can do it does and that is better than Google ever claimed.

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Personally I'd stick with the s21 ultra. If the pixel was a massive jump I might of swapped over but it's not great, battery is a bit rubbish. It's just ok...I think the s21 wins in more ways. Id like stock android though for su
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I know. And they claim that the fingerprint reader is slow for security reasons. lol.
So you are happy with your S21 Ultra? What were the downsides and upsides from switching from stock android from your old Pixel?
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I do not understand this question, it's basically lacking any base knowledge of how Android works?
"What were the downsides and upsides from switching from stock android from your old Pixel?"
Load or remove what you use or do not use, it's no different. The only thing is Samsung makes some cool APPS, that you can use if you like. Just like you can go with third party APPS from the Galaxy Store or Play Store. Running plan-jane Android is no longer some great thing. Wake UP!

I think many stock android comments go back to the day that touchwiz and other variants were awful.
That being said development wise you get a lot more than on the s21. Updates for longer also.
As I said though this alone isn't enough to rock a pixel

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I think many stock android comments go back to the day that touchwiz and other variants were awful.
That being said development wise you get a lot more than on the s21. Updates for longer also.
As I said though this alone isn't enough to rock a pixel
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Maybe that's why I didn't get the question, I was thinking stock, and now you bring up launchers. All good, hey can't we just download and use google's launcher now anyway, on any Android? For me, thinking stock smooth, is just no longer a thing, it was, a while back, because of bloat and slow down, but today, there really is no such things, all these upper end phones are smooth as butter. BTW, I do switch and use Nova Launcher always.

S21 Ultra Pros:
- Feels more premium. Pixel 6 Pro and the iPhone 13 sound plasticy or hollow when tapped. The s21 ultra absorbs the touch. It's something you have to feel, but it's definitely noticeable.
- 10x Zoom. Wow. This is the only way the camera wins, but it's nice.
- Screen. I had a P6P and the screen is noticeably brighter, and adjusts to the lighting so much faster on the S21 Ultra. I can't believe how long it was taking the P6P to adjust.
- Way less Jank and is faster. The P6P had issues hanging when scrolling in apps. Nothing like this on the S21U
- FP Sensor. The fingerprint sensor is much faster on the S21U
- Heat. My S21U running games doesn't get noticeably hot, the P6P does.
- Battery life. My battery on my S21U has been better overall, but I don't know if that's due to only having the pixel for a little over a week.
Pixel 6 Pro Pros:
- Camera. Camera wins in every way besides the 10x. Samsung over smooths faces or something. It's ridiculous how good the hardware is and how bad the processing is on the S21U
- AOD. The always on display turns off in your pocket. No idea why Samsung took this option away.
Other Notes:
- I've heard the haptics are better on P6P, but I think both are great.
- I've also heard that the P6P has an older modem, but I did not notice any slower loading while on cellular in my testing.
- The charging time is reported to be better on the P6P, but in my testing they were similar.
I went back to the S21U. I just didn't think there were any upgrades that made it worth choosing the Pixel over the S21U as the S21U is better in almost every way.

thacounty said:
S21 Ultra Pros:
- Feels more premium. Pixel 6 Pro and the iPhone 13 sound plasticy or hollow when tapped. The s21 ultra absorbs the touch. It's something you have to feel, but it's definitely noticeable.
- 10x Zoom. Wow. This is the only way the camera wins, but it's nice.
- Screen. I had a P6P and the screen is noticeably brighter, and adjusts to the lighting so much faster on the S21 Ultra. I can't believe how long it was taking the P6P to adjust.
- Way less Jank and is faster. The P6P had issues hanging when scrolling in apps. Nothing like this on the S21U
- FP Sensor. The fingerprint sensor is much faster on the S21U
- Heat. My S21U running games doesn't get noticeably hot, the P6P does.
- Battery life. My battery on my S21U has been better overall, but I don't know if that's due to only having the pixel for a little over a week.
Pixel 6 Pro Pros:
- Camera. Camera wins in every way besides the 10x. Samsung over smooths faces or something. It's ridiculous how good the hardware is and how bad the processing is on the S21U
- AOD. The always on display turns off in your pocket. No idea why Samsung took this option away.
Other Notes:
- I've heard the haptics are better on P6P, but I think both are great.
- I've also heard that the P6P has an older modem, but I did not notice any slower loading while on cellular in my testing.
- The charging time is reported to be better on the P6P, but in my testing they were similar.
I went back to the S21U. I just didn't think there were any upgrades that made it worth choosing the Pixel over the S21U as the S21U is better in almost every way.
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Thanks for the comparison and tour inputs. I are almost decided to go with the S21 Ultra. I love the point and shoot great pictures that I get on my Pixel 2 but I guess the S21 Ultra photos are good as well, from the reviews I´ve seen...
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Personally I'd stick with the s21 ultra. If the pixel was a massive jump I might of swapped over but it's not great, battery is a bit rubbish. It's just ok...I think the s21 wins in more ways. Id like stock android though for sure
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Hmmmm.This is false. I own both devices. The battery appeared rubbish first couple of days. Due to Google's amazing adaptive battery, I'm getting around 10:16 min-ishscreen on time. That Tensor AI is the real deal. I continually become more more impressed as I noticed the device getting better and learning.
The smart features in the pixel 6 pro alone makes it worth it. I typed this entire message by voice, without touching the keyboard at all. The AI automatically inserted all the punctuation and deep learned the grammar checking all on it's own.
I think people underestimate how good pixels improve over time with Google magic.
The other smart features are incredibly convenient, intuitive and without getting too hyperbolic, amazing. Live translate allows you to literally translate anything anytime, anywhere with your keyboard or microphone. Being able to see hold times when you call ridiculous companies like insurance companies is downright cool. I recently got into a car accident and been having to call Geico repeatedly. One hour hold times. I'm able to see when those hold times. As soon as i preemptively see the call volume subside throughout the day, this allows me to make the perfectly timed pinpointed call. Call screening is amazing too. Telemarketers and Scam callers get tea bagged. Not even to mention live caption...
The smoothness and raw ui usage speed is slightly better than my s21 ultra.
The six pro screen is the clearest most beautiful screen I've ever seen on a smartphone. All videos and anything other than websites actually look like beautiful web pages with perfect clarity.
Additionally, The six Pro has just been released. Like literally just released. It's had only one day one update. As amazing as the 6 pro is, it'll even get dramatically better than it is now -- in the next couple months, with those updates. People forget how crappy the s21 Ultra or the 9 Pro software was on day one.
Don't get me wrong. I adore my s21 ultra. But my carefully calibrated and monitored opinion is the Pixel 6 Pro is better.
Now, if we're talking the s22 Ultra compared to the pixel 6 Pro, now we have legitimate conversation.

S21 ultra. the pixel 6 pro is hyperthetic

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Hmmmm.This is false. I own both devices. The battery appeared rubbish first couple of days. Due to Google's amazing adaptive battery, I'm getting around 10:16 min-ishscreen on time. That Tensor AI is the real deal. I continually become more more impressed as I noticed the device getting better and learning.
The smart features in the pixel 6 pro alone makes it worth it. I typed this entire message by voice, without touching the keyboard at all. The AI automatically inserted all the punctuation and deep learned the grammar checking all on it's own.
I think people underestimate how good pixels improve over time with Google magic.
The other smart features are incredibly convenient, intuitive and without getting too hyperbolic, amazing. Live translate allows you to literally translate anything anytime, anywhere with your keyboard or microphone. Being able to see hold times when you call ridiculous companies like insurance companies is downright cool. I recently got into a car accident and been having to call Geico repeatedly. One hour hold times. I'm able to see when those hold times. As soon as i preemptively see the call volume subside throughout the day, this allows me to make the perfectly timed pinpointed call. Call screening is amazing too. Telemarketers and Scam callers get tea bagged. Not even to mention live caption...
The smoothness and raw ui usage speed is slightly better than my s21 ultra.
The six pro screen is the clearest most beautiful screen I've ever seen on a smartphone. All videos and anything other than websites actually look like beautiful web pages with perfect clarity.
Additionally, The six Pro has just been released. Like literally just released. It's had only one day one update. As amazing as the 6 pro is, it'll even get dramatically better than it is now -- in the next couple months, with those updates. People forget how crappy the s21 Ultra or the 9 Pro software was on day one.
Don't get me wrong. I adore my s21 ultra. But my carefully calibrated and monitored opinion is the Pixel 6 Pro is better.
Now, if we're talking the s22 Ultra compared to the pixel 6 Pro, now we have legitimate conversation.
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Yeah but I live in Portugal. Besides the fact that I have to import it from France or Germany none of those smart features you mentioned work in my language/country. Samsung doesn't make it those distinctions and their hardware is supported and sold all over the world.

Badelhas said:
I'm debating for weeks now on which phone to upgrade my small Pixel 2. I love its camera but battery life sucks, even after replacing the battery.
I am able to buy a new Samsung S21 Ultra for 720 euros or try to import the new Pixel 6 Pro for 900 euros.
Which one would you choose and why?
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I bought both of these because I couldn't make up my mind. It was a very hard choice but I plan to return the Pixel 6 Pro for a refund and keep the S21 Ultra.
The software on the Pixel seems buggier. There have been a few times while using the browser that it just straight locked up. Mostly while browsing XDA. Stock Android is also very meh to me.
After using both for only a week I've noticed the camera is only marginally better on the pixel if you aren't doing any zoom shots. If you're zooming at all, it's not that great. I took a bunch of photos with both phones and both consistently looked really good.
The pixel is easier to hold in the hand and I think it feels a little bit more premium than the S21 Ultra.
I think the S21 Ultra may be better for battery.
Odd that the price difference is like that. Here in the states, the S21 Ultra is like $300 more than the pixel 6 pro.

Question So no X90 Pro+ for the global market - any Chinese import issues?

I have been following the reviews of the X90 Pro+ since it was released and was super exited to finally retire my P30 Pro for this king of photography.
I find it hard to believe that Vivo decided to keep it exclusive to China, but that seems to be the case. Guess they think people who want the best camera phone is going to buy the lesser Vivo's instead of the upcoming S23. Doubt anyone is tempted by these Vivo's - utterly bizarre decision. Hoping sales will make them realise that.
In any case - thinking of importing it, as there is no other phone that tempts me.
Apart from the lack of warranty and/or hassle getting anything fixed or replaced in case of a fault (had the worst nightmare with an S7 from E-Global years back - threw it in the bin), are there any downsides to importing this phone to Europe (UK specifically)?
From my understanding there should be no 4g/5g band issues. How about Origin OS? Seems it has more functionality than Funtouch, but are there any potential issues?
I don't use Android Auto.
Finally - which Chinese vendor is considered safe and reliable?
Thanks!

Haskren said:
I have been following the reviews of the X90 Pro+ since it was released and was super exited to finally retire my P30 Pro for this king of photography.
I find it hard to believe that Vivo decided to keep it exclusive to China, but that seems to be the case. Guess they think people who want the best camera phone is going to buy the lesser Vivo's instead of the upcoming S23. Doubt anyone is tempted by these Vivo's - utterly bizarre decision. Hoping sales will make them realise that.
In any case - thinking of importing it, as there is no other phone that tempts me.
Apart from the lack of warranty and/or hassle getting anything fixed or replaced in case of a fault (had the worst nightmare with an S7 from E-Global years back - threw it in the bin), are there any downsides to importing this phone to Europe (UK specifically)?
From my understanding there should be no 4g/5g band issues. How about Origin OS? Seems it has more functionality than Funtouch, but are there any potential issues?
I don't use Android Auto.
Finally - which Chinese vendor is considered safe and reliable?
Thanks!
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I bought mine from Giztop.com They shipped it extremely fast and packed well to avoid any damages..

Ok great. I might order from them.
Another thing - I read somewhere that Origin does not support always on display - is that true? That's one of the basic functions which is a must

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Ok great. I might order from them.
Another thing - I read somewhere that Origin does not support always on display - is that true? That's one of the basic functions which is a must
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No the phone has AOD, some 3rd party apps won't work though. I use Google messages for texting and AOD won't show my incoming texts

I ordered mine last month from Wonda Mobile. They shipped via Fedex and I got it in just 3 days. https://www.wondamobile.com/mobile/vivo/vivo-x90-pro-plus-5g-cn-dual-sim-12gb-ram-256gb.html
the price seems to be going down every day, I paid around 1150€ for my black 12/256 model and now I see it's just 979€.
- The downsides of OriginOS are pretty much notification problems.. You won't get notifications from certain third party apps like Telegram for example, when dark mode is enabled. No idea if they are gonna fix it, but apparently it was a problem on the Vivo X80 Pro as well (China version) and it was fixed in an update.
- "Ok Google" voice recognition won't work either (I don't use it, but that's what I read)
- 4G works without any issues. For 5G you might wanna check out on kimovil.com, if the phone is fully compatible with your carrier.

I ordered mine from tradingshenzhen, it arrived 2 days ago.
- I bought it (512GB version) on December 29, now it has the same price, it didn't drop and I was monitoring the websites everyday since December 22, ~1150E. I bought it for the camera.
- first of all, I think people should buy this phone only if they need / want the camera, since it comes with a lot of settings / apps still in chinese.
- I think 5G is only suported in China, I got a notification saying it only works in "mainland China", so I have 4G, but I don't care, I'm more then happy with 4G.
- When you receive the phone it will have a lot of applications in Chinese, I haven't removed them yet, I will start the process today, but I will only remove what I know, not every application like others did here (I don't care if they "spy" on me)
- Apps that don't work: google voice, android auto, desktop mode when connected to a monitor. I don't use them so for me is OK.
You are buying for 1000E a phone that the competitors are selling for at least 1600E, but you must accept that not everything will work on it.
For me is OK, I realised I don't use all the "new" hot stuff, I'm still using the phone like I used my Samsung S7 6-7 years ago.

jericho246 said:
I ordered mine last month from Wonda Mobile. They shipped via Fedex and I got it in just 3 days. https://www.wondamobile.com/mobile/vivo/vivo-x90-pro-plus-5g-cn-dual-sim-12gb-ram-256gb.html
the price seems to be going down every day, I paid around 1150€ for my black 12/256 model and now I see it's just 979€.
- The downsides of OriginOS are pretty much notification problems.. You won't get notifications from certain third party apps like Telegram for example, when dark mode is enabled. No idea if they are gonna fix it, but apparently it was a problem on the Vivo X80 Pro as well (China version) and it was fixed in an update.
- "Ok Google" voice recognition won't work either (I don't use it, but that's what I read)
- 4G works without any issues. For 5G you might wanna check out on kimovil.com, if the phone is fully compatible with your carrier.
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Fully agree with this but would like to add:
- timeline doesn't work in maps
Not sure how important that is, i had it always disabled.

google assistant also doesn't work properly (no conversation, no okay google).
Google backup doesn't work making setup/moving your phone super painful. I haven't found any free third party app that could move app settings and some data from messengers for example.

No desktop mode is a bummer as it's a feature I use when travelling with my P30 pro.
Hmmm - perhaps I will wait until February and hope a global release is announced

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Fully agree with this but would like to add:
- timeline doesn't work in maps
Not sure how important that is, i had it always disabled.
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Timeline in Google maps does indeed work..

aspj1111 said:
Timeline in Google maps does indeed work..
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Oh ok. I haven't tried that myself because it's always off for me. I have read that many times from the other users so I thought it's true.

No you can access timeline but it doesn't register new places. So it doesn't work.
I really regret having bought this dump phone with great camera...
Cannot activate location history.

extremecarver said:
No you can access timeline but it doesn't register new places. So it doesn't work.
I really regret having bought this dump phone with great camera...
Cannot activate location history.
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I love this phone. Coming from pixel 7 Pro this one feels way more premium

Well cannot use Google maps hand free without assistant. Cannot read out emails aloud without conversation of google assistant.
Notifications of Signal often break (must be because China cannot block Signal messenger like they can do with WhatsApp and others). Google apps in general crippled.
This phone has to be used like a phone 5 years ago. No modern intelligent interaction possible with the phone. But yeah outstanding camera for photos (less so for videos) and good but not great battery life.
If only Asus would have a camera phone. The Zenfone 9 and the rog phone 6 really rock for the target people. Pixel 7 would rock with good battery life. That's why just wait for Samsung s23 which likely will trump the x90 camera wise anyhow. And battery wise too (for that really bad chip they got good battery life). But yeah besides Samsung, Google and Asus, and Nokia on the low end there are no more good software phones. Motorola still a bit better then the remaining Chinese producers. As long as consumers buy mainly based on hardware they can continue with dismal software.

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Well cannot use Google maps hand free without assistant. Cannot read out emails aloud without conversation of google assistant.
Notifications of Signal often break (must be because China cannot block Signal messenger like they can do with WhatsApp and others). Google apps in general crippled.
This phone has to be used like a phone 5 years ago. No modern intelligent interaction possible with the phone. But yeah outstanding camera for photos (less so for videos) and good but not great battery life.
If only Asus would have a camera phone. The Zenfone 9 and the rog phone 6 really rock for the target people. Pixel 7 would rock with good battery life. That's why just wait for Samsung s23 which likely will trump the x90 camera wise anyhow. And battery wise too (for that really bad chip they got good battery life). But yeah besides Samsung, Google and Asus, and Nokia on the low end there are no more good software phones. Motorola still a bit better then the remaining Chinese producers. As long as consumers buy mainly based on hardware they can continue with dismal software.
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Well I guess it depends on what you want or need, i'm more than happy. From your writings i think even the Pixel 6a would be good for you.

I want very good camera with zoom, and very good battery life, and reliability with full google services. Pixel 7 pro doesn't have good battery life..
90 or 120 Hz Display is a must too. Actually FHD+ would be best (because of battery life and FHD+ mode on 1440p screen looks unsharp), needs to be waterproof and have very bright screen (1000nits without HDR for outdoor use is what I feel is enough).
Likely s23 Ultra and maybe s23 plus (depends on the quality of the zoom lens) would be perfect or waiting if Pixel 8 pro has better Chipset when it comes to power consumption.
I never play games. Speed is only important in terms of camera.
Pixel 6a will not work for camera and battery life

extremecarver said:
I want very good camera with zoom, and very good battery life, and reliability with full google services. Pixel 7 pro doesn't have good battery life..
90 or 120 Hz Display is a must too. Actually FHD+ would be best (because of battery life and FHD+ mode on 1440p screen looks unsharp), needs to be waterproof and have very bright screen (1000nits without HDR for outdoor use is what I feel is enough).
Likely s23 Ultra and maybe s23 plus (depends on the quality of the zoom lens) would be perfect or waiting if Pixel 8 pro has better Chipset when it comes to power consumption.
I never play games. Speed is only important in terms of camera.
Pixel 6a will not work for camera and battery life
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Got about 8h SOT with the Pixel 7 Pro. I think that's good .

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I bought mine from Giztop.com They shipped it extremely fast and packed well to avoid any damages..
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I think to order when I realised that model Pro plus is not coming to Europe. Just need to make clear, is it true that 5G doesn't work on this? and there is obviously English menu in OS, any other issues?

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I think to order when I realised that model Pro plus is not coming to Europe. Just need to make clear, is it true that 5G doesn't work on this? and there is obviously English menu in OS, any other issues?
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I would check the compatibility assistant on Tradingshenzhen. 5G works great for me.

5g works (check the bands on kimovil for your country). mmwave is not supported but rare in Europe. In US no mmwave is a big letdown.1500mhz 5G will likely start in 1-2 years in many countries in Europe - and isn't supported. But very few phones (2022) support it.
I would really wait for S23 however now. In China/Taiwan the x90 Pro+ is cheap (840/880€) but I would not thing a second about it if you can get a Pixel 7 Pro for much cheaper as in Europe (here P7Pro 256GB is more expensive, S22 Ultra same price).