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There's some apps on the market that can makes phone CPU goes faster and push it to its limit, and mine is called overclock widget.
One quick question here, does this app shorten G1 CPUs life? will it harm the CPU in the long run? If so, how much the damage it could cause??
My G1 is a little bit lag, i consider to use this app, but if it shortens the CPU life, than it's not worth it and im okay with the lag.
You can't OVERclock your G1. You can only clock it to its rated frequency. The processor is rated at 528Mhz, but when it's distributed, it's set to run between 245-384. So it's UNDERclocked when you buy it.
The process is made to run at 528Mhz, so you can safely do it. It will decrease your battery life, but won't hard your processor.
tehseano said:
You can't OVERclock your G1. You can only clock it to its rated frequency. The processor is rated at 528Mhz, but when it's distributed, it's set to run between 245-384. So it's UNDERclocked when you buy it.
The process is made to run at 528Mhz, so you can safely do it. It will decrease your battery life, but won't hard your processor.
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lol then I feel dumb now that I used "overclock" word without knowing what it means. Haha
Thank's for the confirmation.
So even if I clock it to min = 528, max = 528, it will not harm the CPU at all?
Will it makes the CPU Hot for always clocking the rate to the max??
Yes, it will increase in temperature.
Typically, you don't want to run it at its maximum speed continually. Just for short bursts as needed. That's what automatic clock scaling is for.
riki28 said:
lol then I feel dumb now that I used "overclock" word without knowing what it means. Haha
Thank's for the confirmation.
So even if I clock it to min = 528, max = 528, it will not harm the CPU at all?
Will it makes the CPU Hot for always clocking the rate to the max??
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Yes, it will increase in temperature.
Typically, you don't want to run it at its maximum speed continually. Just for short bursts as needed. That's what automatic clock scaling is for.
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I see, Okaay, I will use it when I need it then, if 128-384 mb is the default rate by HTC, then I think it's the best freq rate for the phone...
Thanks for the info guys =)
For the record, you are "overclocking" it. It's clocked at a specific speed in stock format and you're OC'ing it from that.
TheSamurai said:
For the record, you are "overclocking" it. It's clocked at a specific speed in stock format and you're OC'ing it from that.
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Wrong...
As quoted from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overclock - "Overclocking is the process of running a computer component at a higher clock rate (more clock cycles per second) than it was designed for or was specified by the manufacturer." Maybe as specified by HTC, but on actual terms, no, it's not overclocked.
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Wrong...
As quoted from wiki/Overclock - "Overclocking is the process of running a computer component at a higher clock rate (more clock cycles per second) than it was designed for or was specified by the manufacturer." Maybe as specified by HTC, but on actual terms, no, it's not overclocked.
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lol @ proving yourself wrong.
I preordered my G1 and rooted it as soon as possible, fully charge it atleast once a day and keep my overclock widget set to 528 min - 528 max.. My phone holds good charge and works fine more than a year later
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Wrong...
As quoted from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overclock - "Overclocking is the process of running a computer component at a higher clock rate (more clock cycles per second) than it was designed for or was specified by the manufacturer." Maybe as specified by HTC, but on actual terms, no, it's not overclocked.
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Quite a FAIL
Aznneedlovetoo said:
Quite a FAIL
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HTC made the phone, but not all of the components. Qualcomm made the MSM7200A processor, and they set the recomended frequency at 528 Mhz. Anything lower then 528 should therefore be considered an underclock, and anyhting over should be considered an overclock.
OT, overclock is completely safe until a point. A company will test its products way harder then what consumer use for it would be. For example, if you were building a house in which the roof weighted a ton, you would use wooden walls that was designed for a ton. But, say that the roof is a little more then a ton, 1.001 tons, would the walls break? No, they would not. Qualcomm probably tested the processor much higher then the recomended values and set the maximum low enough so that they would not have issues about consumers with bricked hardware. My phone runs perfectly stable at 652 Mhz, but I cannot comment on battery life as my phone has always sucked way too much more then normal, even when I was still on stock. Setting it to say 160000 max and 528 min would be perfect for your phone without any risks.
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7200a&c=qualcomm_msm7200a
For the most part, unless you are planning on using your phone for a decade or so, you should not worry too much about the effects of increasing your processor clock speed.
You will notice an increase in temperature, in fact it is actually quite significant and a bit scary. If I recall though, seeing performance charts, increasing the clock speed on the Qualcomm processor does increase performance, but really not by a significant or (correct me if I am wrong) discernible amount.
I know this contradicts a bit with what I said earlier, but its more of just my own theory and that is I believe the heat from the processor probably would be fine for the processor itself, but I don't know about the other components. The temperature actually does get so hot to the point where it would be uncomfortable to have the phone on your lap. I have a hybrid silicone/plastic case on my phone and it expands by ALOT when the processor is clocked to 528Mhz from the heat.
So what's the best solution?
I just bought an HTC Dream on Ebay. As soon as I get it I plan to unlock and flash CM6. Will it come with overclocking software? If so, what's the best way to get the performance when it's needed and otherwise let it underclock?
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I just bought an HTC Dream on Ebay. As soon as I get it I plan to unlock and flash CM6. Will it come with overclocking software? If so, what's the best way to get the performance when it's needed and otherwise let it underclock?
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you best bet is to use setcpu 2.0.2 and it wont come with it
I would just like to put a little clarification note in here about the definition of overclocking....
Fact is that the rated maximum clock speed is/may_be based on certain IDEAL conditions and that a particular APPLICATION of that component may have a lower rating as a result of its characteristics. Specifically, knowing that speed makes HEAT, one could rate a CPU at LOWER than its manufacturer's spec in order to keep it within the heat envelope.
I am not saying that that is what is happening in this case, but it could, along with battery life, be part of the equation that led to them setting the clock below the chip's maximum rated speed.
So from this perspective, bringing the clocks up to 528 COULD IN FACT be considered OVERCLOCKING.
Further perspective, the processor if considered as a stand alone device is rated at 528MHz, so those terms the processor is underclocked when running at a lower frequency
However if you look at the processor as a component part of a larger assembly, then the manufacturers defined speed is set by other concerns than merely that of the processor's designed rating, and in this context running it at higher speeds than the device's rated speeds would be considered overclocking.
It all depends on perspective, from Qualcomm's perspective, HTC underclock the processor, from HTC's perspective, we overclock if we raise the clock frequency above that which they rate the assembly at.
And as we are talking of a multilayer PCB with components on both sides, what is the heat rating of the components on the opposite side of the PCB to the processor? I don't know, but I bet HTC does, and that may be a factor to consider, the processor may not fail, but what of the surrounding components?
And for the record, I use setcpu, and have it scaled for 160-528, it does heat up under heavy use, but not so much that I worry unduly, as has been said, HTC probably do take the heat envelope into account, as most manufacturers do, and most take the safe approach, and prefer to stay away from the edges of the envelope.
So unless you plan to peg your cpu clock at 528 or nothing, it should be safe enough, and will not reduce the life of the device significantly.
Hi guys. This might be a stupid question, but is it possible to use liquid nitrogen cooling systems to cool our phone processor down to -200+ degrees centigrade then overclock it to Arm-V7 speeds (1GHZ+)? I asked this cos i read about superconductivity and I realised that by cooling the processor and possibly the RAM to that temperature, the resistance within the electrical systems would almost totally disappear, resulting in more processes being able to be carried out in a set amount of time.
Just curious
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Hi guys. This might be a stupid question, but is it possible to use liquid nitrogen cooling systems to cool our phone processor down to -200+ degrees centigrade then overclock it to Arm-V7 speeds (1GHZ+)? I asked this cos i read about superconductivity and I realised that by cooling the processor and possibly the RAM to that temperature, the resistance within the electrical systems would almost totally disappear, resulting in more processes being able to be carried out in a set amount of time.
Just curious
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its not all about temperature. You must have enough voltage
P.S Dont worry about that... Its not possible
Xmaster8 said:
its not all about temperature. You must have enough voltage
P.S Dont worry about that... Its not possible
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wait then if it's possible to overvolt your battery? Like cos while it will degrade battery life a lot, it essentially is still a bunch of dielectric sandwiched alternatingly between conductors. So to overvolt that infinitely technically would be possible, but the battery life will degrade exponentially
.......... I think this is a case of wrong application and understanding of superconductivity. That temperature alone probably will not trigger superconductivity for our processor and/or RAM.
Anyway, no. Practicality is one reason, and also because the processing capability has an upper limit. So does R/W speed. These are not solely dependent on voltage.
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you need to connect car battery directly to cpu and good cooling loool 1 GHz
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wait then if it's possible to overvolt your battery? Like cos while it will degrade battery life a lot, it essentially is still a bunch of dielectric sandwiched alternatingly between conductors. So to overvolt that infinitely technically would be possible, but the battery life will degrade exponentially
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NOT POSSIBLE but you can still burn your phone with overvolting
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wait then if it's possible to overvolt your battery? Like cos while it will degrade battery life a lot, it essentially is still a bunch of dielectric sandwiched alternatingly between conductors. So to overvolt that infinitely technically would be possible, but the battery life will degrade exponentially
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NO. Voltage of a battery is EMF, and is work done to push a charge around the circuit. Infinite voltage means either infinite energy or zero charge, both of which are impossible. You are missing out on many key factors here, and I suggest that you actually study and understand the concepts involved before discussing something.
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Hi,
I saw BravoMotolora's article about CPU binning, and I thought that it would be great if we compare CPU bin and voltages.
It will be great to know the relationship between voltage and PVS number.
Please follow this procedure
1. Install a custom kernel that lets you do undervolt, e.g. franco.Kernel
2. Do what BravoMotolora said
3. Undervolt your N5 by 25MV
4. Run Antutu
Then, you might see your N5 rebooting or giving you a Antutu score.
If you get the score, go and try the procedure again
I got to -50MV with PVS1 N5.
Please post your results(undervolt that you did and your N5's PVS) here!
Can you not do this?
Do not do what? I mean most of guys here will do undervolt to save battery anyway so won't it be good to share some intel?
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I'm the same as OP... I have PVS 1 and the max I can UV is -50mV.
you do realize that many custom kernels set their voltages different than default/stock, and differ among themselves? for example, if you go -50mV less on using franco kernel, and go -50mV less using trinity kernel, it means nothing because their voltages differ to begin with. i mean you cant really compare each others voltages that way. you would need to write your voltages in real numbers, and cpu speed steps.
I honestly never saw a huge benefit in undervolting. It can also cause errors which lead to worse battery life.
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johndrmr said:
I honestly never saw a huge benefit in undervolting. It can also cause errors which lead to worse battery life.
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agreed. i personally do better with underclocking, than with undervolting.
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agreed. i personally do better with underclocking, than with undervolting.
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it's a lot easier to underclock 20% than to undervolt 10%, which approx. gives you the same active power savings. It's a lot safer too, if you don't have a spec sheet for the CPU handy.
underclocking does nothing to idle power (or leakage power) though
This phone does pretty well arlt idle I think. Can't imagine you would see much gain from UV.
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I'm the same as OP... I have PVS 1 and the max I can UV is -50mV.
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I have a PVS 2 and can undervotl -75mV accross the board and -87.5mV at 300Mhz.
So 2,26Ghz I can run at 0.975 Volt.
CM11 with Bricked Kernel.
Together with Sync off, Google hotword off and optimized automatic brightness I get constantly 5 - 5,5 hours screen on time with websurfing, mail and music stream.
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it's a lot easier to underclock 20% than to undervolt 10%, which approx. gives you the same active power savings. It's a lot safer too, if you don't have a spec sheet for the CPU handy.
underclocking does nothing to idle power (or leakage power) though
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Underclocking drops the performance of the phone, as the peak performance is not available when needed. Undervolting on the other hand gives you battery savings without affecting peak performance at all. If done too aggressively, it can make the phone unstable, but there is never any danger of hardware damage. The instability will at most cause errors, random reboot, or a freeze up. If this happens, you know you've pushed too far under, and you can bump voltage closer to stock after booting the phone back up. If running stably, undervolting is actually marginally better for your phone hardware than stock voltage because you are wasting less of the energy in heating up the chips and damaging them.
rajendra82 said:
Underclocking drops the performance of the phone, as the peak performance is not available when needed. Undervolting on the other hand gives you battery savings without affecting peak performance at all. If done too aggressively, it can make the phone unstable, but there is never any danger of hardware damage. The instability will at most cause errors, random reboot, or a freeze up. If this happens, you know you've pushed too far under, and you can bump voltage closer to stock after booting the phone back up. If running stably, undervolting is actually marginally better for your phone hardware than stock voltage because you are wasting less of the energy in heating up the chips and damaging them.
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i underclock, sometimes to 1036mhz max, with all 4 cores always on by default(no hotplugging). sure, in a benchmark itll score less, just like i expect to score more when im overclocked. but to the normal user, they would never be able to tell that my phone is only clocked to 1036mhz. meaning the user experience isnt lowered in any way. even intense gpu oriented games dont show that im running underclocked. so when you say it drops the performance, it isnt entirely accurate.
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i underclock, sometimes to 1036mhz max, with all 4 cores always on by default(no hotplugging). sure, in a benchmark itll score less, just like i expect to score more when im overclocked. but to the normal user, they would never be able to tell that my phone is only clocked to 1036mhz. meaning the user experience isnt lowered in any way. even intense gpu oriented games dont show that im running underclocked. so when you say it drops the performance, it isnt entirely accurate.
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Sorry, but CPU underclocking means always a drop in CPU performance.
When you compensate this drop in your case by always having all four cores active you produce more heat with the active cores.
(and I estimate it will produce more heat/battery depletion than the original phone settings. (max 2,26Ghz and variable core usage)
When you argue that in general a normal user is not realizing a drop in performance due to underclocking...fine.
But it will always be a drop in performance.
Undervolting in opposite to underclocking produces no drop in performance but actually a rise in efficiency. (and thats what CPU/GPU development is all about).
Less heat, less battery depletion, same performance.
Why not taking advantage of that by undervolting?
Its free lunch.
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i underclock, sometimes to 1036mhz max, with all 4 cores always on by default(no hotplugging). sure, in a benchmark itll score less, just like i expect to score more when im overclocked. but to the normal user, they would never be able to tell that my phone is only clocked to 1036mhz. meaning the user experience isnt lowered in any way. even intense gpu oriented games dont show that im running underclocked. so when you say it drops the performance, it isnt entirely accurate.
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I agree with you here. 1036 mhz is a great CPU speed for running the device and most apps. Most games UC the CPU for better battery temp like in PPSSPP. Less temperature throttle and more stable frames per second.
Benchmarks are a difference story though but who cares about those. UC is lag free, and buttery smooth so why not?
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Sorry, but CPU underclocking means always a drop in CPU performance.
When you compensate this drop in your case by always having all four cores active you produce more heat with the active cores.
(and I estimate it will produce more heat/battery depletion than the original phone settings. (max 2,26Ghz and variable core usage)
When you argue that in general a normal user is not realizing a drop in performance due to underclocking...fine.
But it will always be a drop in performance.
Undervolting in opposite to underclocking produces no drop in performance but actually a rise in efficiency. (and thats what CPU/GPU development is all about).
Less heat, less battery depletion, same performance.
Why not taking advantage of that by undervolting?
Its free lunch.
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again, sure, if youre benchmarking the performance will drop, yes. but if its something that the user doesnt see or feel, then its irrelevant.
no extra heat is produced. also, i get 5.5-7h screen on time with very heavy use. granted, i use the browser much more than i game, but thats what i use my device for mostly.
when needing the extra performance, or wanting to, i overclock. everybody uses their device differently, has differing needs. i would never say one way is better or worse than the other way.
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again, sure, if youre benchmarking the performance will drop, yes. but if its something that the user doesnt see or feel, then its irrelevant.
no extra heat is produced. also, i get 5.5-7h screen on time with very heavy use. granted, i use the browser much more than i game, but thats what i use my device for mostly.
when needing the extra performance, or wanting to, i overclock. everybody uses their device differently, has differing needs. i would never say one way is better or worse than the other way.
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You can do everything you are already doing, but also undervolt, and your battery life will increase, without affecting your performance. Your performance will be different than my performance (because I don't underclock), however imperceptible as it may be. So undervolting is still better than not undervolting, even for you.
Using EX kernel 3.27, underclocked to 1.5Ghz, undervolted to "700 min" and using "stock" thermal throttling setting. Rock solid and it barely even gets warm now. Responsiveness and performance is only a touch worse than stock; the only places I really notice any performance reduction is in intensive games and app install times. Battery life is massively improved.
This is an outdated device, but since SD801 is so efficient, I gave it a try.
Warning - undervolting is a risky process. It may constantly crash your device, make it unusable or you can actually lose all of your data. Be aware.
So, after reading various articles about CPU binning concept, I thoroughly examined my device's potential. Note, that every device is different, regarding CPU quality and etc.
Anyways, I am running stock rom with Boeffla kernel. I actually gave up, when my device was getting hot - I don't like that at all. Since thermal throttling is really aggresive, I wanted to get away from that completely. And I did.
Currently my phone is heavily undervolted (by 0.1V to be exact) and to be honest, CPU temperatures now never ever exceed 50ºC. With stock voltages, I could easily reach 80ºC.
Anybody else tried doing undervolting? Share your experiences. I would greatly appreciate that.
what is the benefit of it?
does it give a better battery life............?
binadam23 said:
what is the benefit of it?
does it give a better battery life............?
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The only real benefit of undervolting is to reduce temps. Even so it isn't recommended because of the risk of instabilities.
Saber.
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The only real benefit of undervolting is to reduce temps. Even so it isn't recommended because of the risk of instabilities.
Saber.
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lower temperature = lower power consumption = better battery life.
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lower temperature = lower power consumption = better battery life.
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Not necessarily. In my experience in kernels, undervolting only brings marginal power savings. Most battery drain is from open apps and from the display.
Saber.
Wake locks play a big role too I always turn off as may features as I can on my s5 verizon and settings database editor App to turn off more features than normally possible
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Saber said:
Not necessarily. In my experience in kernels, undervolting only brings marginal power savings. Most battery drain is from open apps and from the display.
Saber.
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Not exactly marginal from my experience. It also depends on which frequency CPU is running. At higher clocks, lower power consumption is more noticeable than on lower frequencies.
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Not exactly marginal from my experience. It also depends on which frequency CPU is running. At higher clocks, lower power consumption is more noticeable than on lower frequencies.
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Well, that's not quite the same as what I was saying.
Different CPU frequencies use different current levels which will affect the power draw. So in this case, it will affect the battery savings. Whereas undervolting alone doesn't bring much of a difference due to the already efficient design of our SOC (well, at least in my case ).
Saber.
Undervolting -> Lower Temp -> Less Throttling -> Better Performance with slightly better battery life.
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Throttling is really noticeable with stock voltages. Play some games for a while and you'll start to feel that phone is getting slower and hotter. Not the case anymore after undervolting. If your phone can handle upto 0.1V undervolt, then your SOC is in good shape.
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Undervolting -> Lower Temp -> Less Throttling -> Better Performance with slightly better battery life.
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i can confirm this, i feel my phone is really snappy now and slightly worm, not hot anymore
I use 300-2000Mhz and heavy UV 620-850V. I also use "use_spi_crc=0".
After phone reboot on stock i get 80'C (cpu tem module in xposed) and on my settings it is not reaching 60'C
What about battery life? it needs long testing, i can assume that its slightly better because less energy is converted in to heat
There seems to be some misconception on undervolting.
In theory undervolting should translate to better battery life. However....
Real world results tell a different story as it shouldn't really make much difference at all. For example, not all S5 phones run the same voltage tables (different CPU quality require more/less voltage), yet they achieve the same battery life. So what voltage was set by the manufacturer (Samsung) is already the optimum voltage.
You will definitely achieve better thermals after undervolting, but in the custom kernel world, most kernel developers will not be able to provide help in the case of instabilities. Some kernel developers may not even provide undervolting support because there just isn't a great enough benefit other than improving thermals.
Saber.
What about undervolting Busses, Image processing System, MMC Memory, GPU and CPU?
I`ve got the exynos variant of the S5. I undervolted to -85 all of that stuff and the phone now doesn't heat at all and battery life isn't that amazing but it is noticeably better
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What about undervolting Busses, Image processing System, MMC Memory, GPU and CPU?
I`ve got the exynos variant of the S5. I undervolted to -85 all of that stuff and the phone now doesn't heat at all and battery life isn't that amazing but it is noticeably better
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I'm using the snapdragon variant with boeffla kernel so only the CPU is allowed to be undervolted.
Undervolting other components alongside the CPU will make a more noticeable difference in terms of battery savings. It still isn't recommended by many kernel devs as these other components are more sensitive to slight voltage changes (including the bus).
Saber.
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I'm using the snapdragon variant with boeffla kernel so only the CPU is allowed to be undervolted.
Undervolting other components alongside the CPU will make a more noticeable difference in terms of battery savings. It still isn't recommended by many kernel devs as these other components are more sensitive to slight voltage changes (including the bus).
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Yeah it actually makes a slight difference in battery life, But I don't think anyone should go below these values since I started to get Screen of death and all that kinda stuff that happens when phones are very undervolted haha
If there's a kernel that allows users of Snapdragon phones to undervolt that hardware, I really recommend you to do it, it really helps battery's performance if you need that extra hour of Screen On time
Now, all of this changes are not recommended cause there could be problems with your phones if you're not sure bout the parameters you're playing with.
does anybody else have problem with gpu oc ? no matter what settings i use there is no performance increase at all, its like the 600Mhz is permanent even when all monitoring programs show 700-800Mhz :/ I have tested gpu many times using 3dmark - always the same fps (600-800Mhz). With 200Mhz increase in frequency it should be significant increase in fps!
Hello guys, I've got the OnePlus 5T and I was looking to upgrade to the Red Magic eventually but after watching that speed test video https://youtu.be/okGb8lqg8fA I don't see the RM being any faster and the active cooling seems to be a gimmick of some sort as it runs hotter than the OnePlus 5T as shown in that video. I know the firmware is not final but I seriously doubt they'll do any miracles especially in the stock version...but in the same time I'm scared of getting the Chinese version because it probably won't support Play Store and so on. What do you guys think, should I keep the OP5T?
Well hopefully we'll see more optimization before long on the RM. I haven't had any heat issues, and it has seemed cooler than most. Even when I was running an app to intentionally drain the battery by activating everything it didn't get that hot.
Overall for general performance, you won't see much performance difference between the two. They use a lot of the same components. Theoretically you should see some performance gains with game boost on because it locks the last four cores to their max frequency. No operations used trying to dynamically adjust. Really depends on if the app would even benefit from the frequency boost though.
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Well hopefully we'll see more optimization before long on the RM. I haven't had any heat issues, and it has seemed cooler than most. Even when I was running an app to intentionally drain the battery by activating everything it didn't get that hot.
Overall for general performance, you won't see much performance difference between the two. They use a lot of the same components. Theoretically you should see some performance gains with game boost on because it locks the last four cores to their max frequency. No operations used trying to dynamically adjust. Really depends on if the app would even benefit from the frequency boost though.
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I guess if the game button triggers the full potential of the CPUs that's why it heats up more than the OP5T which never runs on 100% but somehow manages pretty much the same frame rates. You must be right about whether an app can actually utilise the full potential or not.
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I guess if the game button triggers the full potential of the CPUs that's why it heats up more than the OP5T which never runs on 100% but somehow manages pretty much the same frame rates. You must be right about whether an app can actually utilise the full potential or not.
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Old post revived. But did you see the stress test of antutu in that video ? Nubia tries to stay almost to 100% all the time. That's how a gaming aka performance phone should be.
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Old post revived. But did you see the stress test of antutu in that video ? Nubia tries to stay almost to 100% all the time. That's how a gaming aka performance phone should be.
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How much battery and CPu temp you have while idle?