My purpose is to locate the fastboot system, and I thought that I would start from, well, the start. Boot-up on the OMAP4430 tries many places, one is an on-chip 48kb ROM. I initially tried to read /dev/mem, but no matter what address I tried to read it would say Bad Address, so I had to make a kernel module, in which I dumped the boot ROM to a file... and it worked.
The reversion of the ROM on my bionic is 0x03 0x19
(Please read Ch 27(.4.2.1) of OMAP4430_ES2.x_PUBLIC_TRM_vY.zip )
I am more handy with ia32 assembly, not arm...
So where is fastboot? I can see a few other addresses, but if I try to map some of them, the device will reboot.. The TRM spoke of 0x08000000 for a fast boot XIP but a reboot occurs (I think) ... any ideas where to look next?
After a day of digging around, I was able to find that "fastboot"(0x08000000) address at 0x28C18 (0x28000 is the base address of the boot.rom) ... just helping out anyone else interested in looking into this. I somehow don't think that this is what I am looking for though... but atleast I do know that I am making some headway
Edit: Confirm that I am unable to read even one byte from 0x08000000 .. reboots
Edit2: Polling from the Control Register (0x4A0022C4) returned 0x00000AEF ... which means that
1) This is not a GP(General Purpose) OMAP4430
2) SYS_BOOT[5:0] is b101111 which tells us
a) to use Memory, not Peripheral boot devices
b) 1st boot device is MMC2(1)(perm) (eMMC/eSD = GPMC pins)
c) 2nd= USB-ULPI (external transceiver)
... Does the MMC mean it boots from the onboard 16gb? If so, then this might be easier to trace through than I thought...
Has anyone dumped the entire contents of that memory? or just the known partitions?
Edit3: Reading the TRM more (pg 5240) tells me that SDMMC2 only Raw mode is supported, no file system (FAT12/FAT16/FAT32) support because the purpose of this approach is to avoid the boot time penalty of searching for a file system hierarchy when it is not always necessary.
Edit4: ...and Sure enough, dumping the first 512 bytes of /dev/block/mmcblk1 shows the Bootable signature (0x55AA) at the end (0x01FE)
... I thought I read that it would just try to read in RAW mode, which makes it not want to even have such a thing, but I knew it had all those other partitions, so I figured I might have been wrong there...
A proper dump of this soon enough.. atleast I gave you guys the boot.rom from the actual OMAP4430 that would have been otherwise hard to retreive... I only wasted one day on this, not bad and I learned some ARM ASM
Edit5: Maybe I am getting ahead of myself, it is of type 0x83 ... which is Linux, not any of the FAT FS which the boot.rom supports... ?
Edit6: Well, it has the file it's looking for, not sure if it's a FAT system like it's suppose to be though, and it looks like in a 1MB dump that fastboot is in the 2nd or maybe more, partition... I still want to try to dump this "MLO" bootup file... but i have to learn about FAT fs structure, ugh...
The implications of deep hardware hacking like this make me very excited for what could be possible with the Bionic. It contains some absolutely absurd hardware for a mobile device so the sky's the limit at this point. Fantastic work! I could only dream of being able to comprehend the things that guys like you can.
Also I wonder if this thread would end up getting proper attention in the dev section.
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The implications of deep hardware hacking like this make me very excited for what could be possible with the Bionic. It contains some absolutely absurd hardware for a mobile device so the sky's the limit at this point. Fantastic work! I could only dream of being able to comprehend the things that guys like you can.
Also I wonder if this thread would end up getting proper attention in the dev section.
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I only wish I could comprehend what he is talking about. I'm glad to see a vested interest is being taken!
Sent from my DROID BIONIC
Thanks so much, Noxz for making the effort to do this!
hey, thanks finally for the responses, a full day after the initial dump and no responses... I think because it's NOT in the dev section... but I can't post a thread there until I have 10 posts... maybe I can get that privilege now, moderators?
The bad part with disassembling is that when it computes an jump in code(in ARM it's called a branch) and doesn't give a specific address, it makes finding that code very hard.. I found the text "MLO", the bootable file, in the boot.rom but nothing of the code I know referenced it yet, unfortunate because that partition is not a standard FAT fs and thus is taking a while to read, but if I did have the disassemble of the ROM code where it looks for that, or even just the file search, then I could easily see what it is reading...
Obviously knowing that fastboot and such is in the second or third partition is quite a step forward, but I need to dump this MLO file so we can read from start to finish...
I'll keep everyone posted
So this partition isn't a correct FAT fs... I don't know if being identified as a Linux partition means anything and I'm just not reading into it right, but I am having some time trying to look into these files, you can easily see the MLO file, a KEYS file, and a PRIMAPP file right at the start, or I should say the file name, but there isn't much information on where they are mapped, etc etc...
Maybe partition2 will be better? It's also identified as a Linux partition
I still have a few days to waste...
Sorry to ask dumb. But what exactly does this benefit me when flashing it?
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The current fastboot does not have several commands that is in the original source... but really, I am just interested in the entire boot procedure.. there's a few things I might like to change... The good news is because everything but the boot.rom resides on the eSD, that means we should be able to write to it very easily, so we can change quite a bit
Noxz, I am along with these guys in I would understand more if I was just dropped in the middle of Ghana :\ but I would like you to know that you have given me my 1024th item on my 'to research' list. So once I get bored with what I'm doing now, I am going to try to learn a little bit about ARM and OMAP
Hah, I understand...
I've done a bit of x86 ASM and BIOS disassembly before.. so I figured I might as well peek into this and see what is being hidden and such...
I am seeking help right now... If you know anything about the FAT filesystem... you can start by doing "dd if=/dev/block/mmcblk1p1 of=/mnt/sdcard-ext/partition1"
.. It obviously has that MLO bootup file in it as mentioned in the OMAP4430 TRM but I can't seem to trace what cluster it might be in... I have to assume that it is in fact a FAT fs... but it doesnt seem to follow any of the structures/formats I've been reading... ???
The boot rom you've dumped is the ti omap itself; the only real purpose of that is to bootstrap the bootloader. You are correct in that it's not a GP; none of the Motorola phones are -- this boot rom is what verifies the signature of the bootloader.
http://www.droid-developers.org/wiki/Booting_chain
While not exact, the above diagram will give you an overview of the layout used by Motorola phone. The short version is boot rom -> mbmloader -> mbm -> lbl -> kernel, where mbmloader is the Motorola terminology for the MLO or X-LOADER referenced in the TRM. mbm is the bootloader (motorola boot manager) and controls all actions henceforth, including fastboot (which replaced an older sbf protocol).
The CDT acts as a partition table and lists the layout of the device, including marking where the signatures are located and how often they're checked.
http://blog.opticaldelusion.org/2011/10/bionic-development-notes.html
Sorry for late answer.
Here you can find example of reversing OMAP 3430 bootrom http://hg.droid-developers.org/reverse_engineering/src/b8b881184b5f/asm
As mentioned before droid-developers wiki contain a lot of info about bootrom.
Here you can find info about bootrom itself http://www.droid-developers.org/wiki/Application_Processor_Boot_ROM
Here you can find info about security model in omap http://www.droid-developers.org/wiki/Security http://www.droid-developers.org/wiki/Secure_Services
Here you can find info about my project - emulation of early OMAP booting (including bootrom debugging) http://www.droid-developers.org/wiki/QEMU
I am interested in creating a forensic image of a Xperia x8 internal memory (school purpose). When I connect the device with the USB cable I can only see the SD card partition. I tried with different tools: ProDiscoverer Basic, WinHex...
How can this be accomplished ?
I don't want to root, install a particular app or alter in any way the content of the internal memory, that will ruin the hole ideea of a forensic image..
Oh yeah.. on previous owned devices: SE Elm or SE Z520, after connecting the device I did have access to the internal memory.
Connecting the device in USB storage mode won't get you any far. That way, as you already worked out, you only gain access to the SD card contents.
You actually need to look into the "adb" commandline tool that comes as a part of the Android SDK (if you look around on XDA you will find adb.exe plus the two required DLLs so you don't need to install the whole SDK along with the Java JDK).
The problem you will face:
If the the phone isn't rooted you won't be able to gain access to all parts of the internal file-system (i.e. some directories may appear empty though there are files and directories inside).
Apart from that - that's not a approach fit for forensic analysis.
IF you would want to tap into a device that's up for forensic investigation the worst thing you can possibly do is to actually turn the device on, let alone boot it up. Chance are that this could destroy valuable evidence (don't take everything you see in CSI:Retards for real) or trigger a "killswitch" that could delete data.
To perform a real forensic analysis you would actually take the phone apart and tap into the system through the JTAG interface. There you are talking directly to the hardware without the phone being booted or even "turned on" (it'll just sit there in "standby-ish" mode).
From there you would then dump the contents of the NAND (the internal memory of the phone where the Android OS, data and installed apps reside) into a file on your computer to perform further analysis.
Once the content of the NAND is secured you can crack down on the SD card (to secure further data for investigation) by slapping it into a card reader being WRITE PROTECTED and do a dump of the SD into a image you can then later mount or hex-view on the computer.
In other words ... to "emulate" a forensic analysis (by ignoring the fact to break basic safety measures) you would actually need to ROOT the phone. Once you did that, and therefore have busybox and su in your ROM, you can then use "mtd_utils" to dump the nand into a file for further analysis.
EDIT:
MTD Utils (i.e. dump the content of the NAND)
These files need to go onto your phone! This are NOT executables for Windows or Linux desktop PCs!
ADB (Windows, Android Platform Tools r10 at the time of writing)
Download the ZIP and extract it ... you only need adb.exe, adbwinapi.dll and adbwinusbapi.dll
Do NOT forget that the Android drivers for your phone need to be installed!
Thanks for the answer. Do you know/have any links regarding what cables/connectors or other hardware tools I need to tap into the system through the JTAG interface.
I found a link:
gsm-technology.com/index.php/en_US,details,id_pr,8466,menu_mode,categories.html
.. dude has a lot o hardware equipment and cables... where can I get & buy stuff like that?
I would try eBay first - or look into finding online retailers selling you a RIFF Box plus required toolset.
Since you said it's for a study project I'm not sure if the equipment you need to really replicate a "professional forensic analysis" will match your budget. A RIFF Box usually goes for USD 150+ over the counter, and then you need some experience to get it to good use and also know a thing or two about electronics in general.
EDIT: Well, the link you posted is the JTAG Header adapter (for the X8 and possibly also W8). If you scroll down they also have the RIFF Box for EUR 119,00 enlisted. And it seems that's actually a online retailer where you could buy the stuff.
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Ok, to pull it together ...
Xperia X8/W8 is based on the MSM7227 CPU, hence you need ...
Medusa JTAG Box EUR 119,00 (w/o VAT)
Supports MSM7227 based devices. Cables come with the box.
JTAG Xperia X8 EUR 8 (w/o VAT)
That's the JTAG header adapter
Apart from that you may need some software and a good idea about how to wire the cable from the Medusa Box to the pins on the JTAG adapter. Chances are you may also need a power adapter to power the JTAG (if powering the phone through USB doesn't work).
EDIT: Forgot: While the Xperia phones aren't really listed at the RIFF Box that box should work as well.
Hi,
I'm launching this thread to work on an unbrick procedure for fully bricked I9070/P without JTAG or Riffbox (same as Adam Outler, TheBeano, Odia etc... 's project "let's save some bricks")
Reminder : fully bricked = no download/recovery mode, no display, not charging, not going to recovery with a 301k Ohm jig.
I have a fully bricked I9070P and a fully functionnal I8090 (same processor).
Based on the sources and tools for the U8500 that were disclosed in january, I've managed to make my dead phone and my PC talk "a bit" together (under Windows with the VSIW tool, and under linux with recompiling the "flashkit" tools): when plugged in and inserting the battery, the tool sees the terminal, gets its serial number and various data and fails while trying to send and execute a boot file because the terminal closes the USB port.
I've managed to get a certain degree of communication with the "riff" tool (open source) of the Snowball project too (the dev board based on a U9500).
Based on this half successes, I'm pretty sure we are close to a clean solution to revive a fully bricked terminal without soldering JTAG.
Here are the main docs I've read so far :
* most posts from the threads "let's save some bricks" and "fun with resistors"
* the reference documents of the I9070 (Samsung_GT-I9070_Galaxy_S_Advance_Galaxy_S_II_Lite_service_manual.rar)
* the reference manual of the U9500 (http://www.calao-systems.com/reposi...X/DATASHEETS/AP9500_reference_manual_rev1.pdf)
* TSU6111 datasheet from TI (the USB/UART switch the 9070 is using, cf the service manual -> Lite Schematics -> u-USB SW IC part)
* lots of docs from the "flashkit" sources
My setup :
* a fully bricked I9070P
* a fully working I8190P
* an 8GB SDCard
* a Windows/Linux workstation (Ubuntu 12.04LTS + Android compiling environment + disclosed sources)
* terminal emulators
* a Prolific cable (PL2303) (any USB to TTL adapter would do it, you can buy one for 3$ as Arduino accessory, or reuse a Nokia DKU 5 -see hackaday website for a link). Take care with Prolifics : they don't work under Windows 8 with the last driver, you have to use the version before, Google is your friend)
* a set of resistors
* a multimeter
* libusb win32 drivers setup, see sourceforge (use the tool included in the drivers package to generate the right .inf file for the U8500 (or use 04CC and 8500)
Here are my conclusions so far :
* based on the Snowball docs and the U9500 spec, we don't seem to have any need to modify anything (resistors) on the mainboard to change boot sequence. The dev board does not have any switch for that and my dead I9070 and working I8190 exibit the same behaviour at bootup : the appear as a "U8500 USB ROM" for a seconds and disconnect when going on farther in the boot sequence.
Moreover, the fact that I managed to have my dead phone talk with the flashtool confort me in the fact that we are almost done.
* I have *not* managed to get any output on my terminal with my Prolific cable plugged in with a 630kOhm resistor on the pins 4 and 5. My resistor setup might be good because it make my working I8190 boot when I plug it in.
But I'm not sure of my RX/TX setup, I have crossed the RX/TX of the phone and the ones of the Prolific but I might have been wrong identifying the pins of my modified USB plug (D+ and D-).
But I'm sure the RX and TX wires of my Prolific are the right ones : when I connect them together (nullmodem configuration), the characters typed on my terminal are displayed.
So the main issue is : how can we have the dead phone keep the USB port open and not close it after 2 seconds?
My assumption is that it is always probing different boot methods (UART, USB, MMC etc) and then attempts to boot normaly from eMMC.
I don't know which part of the bootchain sequence I've garbaged on my I9070: IBL, PBL, SBL, PARAM? Managing to get any debug output on my console would greatly help me.
Has any of you tried to achieve something similar? If yes, could you post your setup and results?
Let's save some bricks another time!
any progress
flentus said:
Hi,
I'm launching this thread to work on an unbrick procedure for fully bricked I9070/P without JTAG or Riffbox (same as Adam Outler, TheBeano, Odia etc... 's project "let's save some bricks")
Reminder : fully bricked = no download/recovery mode, no display, not charging, not going to recovery with a 301k Ohm jig.
I have a fully bricked I9070P and a fully functionnal I8090 (same processor).
Based on the sources and tools for the U8500 that were disclosed in january, I've managed to make my dead phone and my PC talk "a bit" together (under Windows with the VSIW tool, and under linux with recompiling the "flashkit" tools): when plugged in and inserting the battery, the tool sees the terminal, gets its serial number and various data and fails while trying to send and execute a boot file because the terminal closes the USB port.
I've managed to get a certain degree of communication with the "riff" tool (open source) of the Snowball project too (the dev board based on a U9500).
Based on this half successes, I'm pretty sure we are close to a clean solution to revive a fully bricked terminal without soldering JTAG.
Here are the main docs I've read so far :
* most posts from the threads "let's save some bricks" and "fun with resistors"
* the reference documents of the I9070 (Samsung_GT-I9070_Galaxy_S_Advance_Galaxy_S_II_Lite_service_manual.rar)
* the reference manual of the U9500 (http://www.calao-systems.com/reposi...X/DATASHEETS/AP9500_reference_manual_rev1.pdf)
* TSU6111 datasheet from TI (the USB/UART switch the 9070 is using, cf the service manual -> Lite Schematics -> u-USB SW IC part)
* lots of docs from the "flashkit" sources
My setup :
* a fully bricked I9070P
* a fully working I8190P
* an 8GB SDCard
* a Windows/Linux workstation (Ubuntu 12.04LTS + Android compiling environment + disclosed sources)
* terminal emulators
* a Prolific cable (PL2303) (any USB to TTL adapter would do it, you can buy one for 3$ as Arduino accessory, or reuse a Nokia DKU 5 -see hackaday website for a link). Take care with Prolifics : they don't work under Windows 8 with the last driver, you have to use the version before, Google is your friend)
* a set of resistors
* a multimeter
* libusb win32 drivers setup, see sourceforge (use the tool included in the drivers package to generate the right .inf file for the U8500 (or use 04CC and 8500)
Here are my conclusions so far :
* based on the Snowball docs and the U9500 spec, we don't seem to have any need to modify anything (resistors) on the mainboard to change boot sequence. The dev board does not have any switch for that and my dead I9070 and working I8190 exibit the same behaviour at bootup : the appear as a "U8500 USB ROM" for a seconds and disconnect when going on farther in the boot sequence.
Moreover, the fact that I managed to have my dead phone talk with the flashtool confort me in the fact that we are almost done.
* I have *not* managed to get any output on my terminal with my Prolific cable plugged in with a 630kOhm resistor on the pins 4 and 5. My resistor setup might be good because it make my working I8190 boot when I plug it in.
But I'm not sure of my RX/TX setup, I have crossed the RX/TX of the phone and the ones of the Prolific but I might have been wrong identifying the pins of my modified USB plug (D+ and D-).
But I'm sure the RX and TX wires of my Prolific are the right ones : when I connect them together (nullmodem configuration), the characters typed on my terminal are displayed.
So the main issue is : how can we have the dead phone keep the USB port open and not close it after 2 seconds?
My assumption is that it is always probing different boot methods (UART, USB, MMC etc) and then attempts to boot normaly from eMMC.
I don't know which part of the bootchain sequence I've garbaged on my I9070: IBL, PBL, SBL, PARAM? Managing to get any debug output on my console would greatly help me.
Has any of you tried to achieve something similar? If yes, could you post your setup and results?
Let's save some bricks another time!
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dude did you find any solution??same problem here
up up this thread.... i'm also experiencing with my s3 mini i8190 continuously disconnecting libusb-win32 driver... my phone is at deadboot and unable to resurrect with RIFFBOX...
neilPD_07 said:
up up this thread.... i'm also experiencing with my s3 mini i8190 continuously disconnecting libusb-win32 driver... my phone is at deadboot and unable to resurrect with RIFFBOX...
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Mebay u have dead mini USB port in SIII mini ?
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Hi guys,
I had a little time playing with this, but I have good news :
I modified the default profile used for the flashtool backend to "ADL boot" : my "dead" phone now stays connected to the USB and is reported as "started" by the flashtool CLI ("flash-tool get_connected_equipments") however, when I try some "active" flash-tool CLI commands, the backend crashes.
As I was running it either in windows 8.1 64 bits or Linux in a VM, their might have some bad interactions with the OS on the one hand and the USB port forwarding on the other hand (there was issues with the LCD and LCM drivers in Windows, I grabbed the 64 bits ones from VSIW...).
-> I have to test on a 32 bit Windows.
Good to read to understand further (extracted from flash-tool-backend.html file) :
Note : ME stands for mobile equipment, "boot indication" can take the following values : ADL, ALT, Normal, Production, Programming : set into the config files pointed by the .mesp file)
Boot process description
When the peripheral boot sequence starts, the ME sends an asic id to the connected PC tool. The PC tool then answers with a boot indication. If normal, "ADL" or "production" is sent as boot indication; this means that the x-loader will start the binary software stored at the corresponding location in the boot image (based on the location stated by the TOC). If programming is used as boot indication, the PC will send a completely new set of boot code to the ME. This is used when a loader is downloaded during service mode startup via the Flash Tool Backend. When the normal boot indication is sent, Flash Tool backend sends no more data and the ME is booted with the binary software stored in the place where the normal software is stored according to the TOC.
The ADL boot scenario works like this:
1. Flash Tool Backend receives asic id
2. Boot indication ADL is sent
3. Flash tool backend starts LCD and LCM and waits for a loader startup message.
The loader is stored at the ADL location of the boot image (this is supported by the assemble tool).
I think I'd have to assemble the correct bootloader to enable "profile-STE_DBX500_flashloader.prfl" profile to work (we are missing corresponding loader.ldr loader). It would enable the use of the "LoaderCommunication"
I think I have all the pieces and the docs (we even have the certificates to sign it !): just need time and a better GFAF (Girlfriend acceptance factor).
The guys who managed to unbrick some Qualcomm based devices might be of a huge help, they would be much more efficient than I can be... I any of you have time to drive them around here, do not hesitate!
Enjoy!
flentus said:
Hi guys,
I had a little time playing with this, but I have good news :
I modified the default profile used for the flashtool backend to "ADL boot" : my "dead" phone now stays connected to the USB and is reported as "started" by the flashtool CLI ("flash-tool get_connected_equipments") however, when I try some "active" flash-tool CLI commands, the backend crashes.
As I was running it either in windows 8.1 64 bits or Linux in a VM, their might have some bad interactions with the OS on the one hand and the USB port forwarding on the other hand (there was issues with the LCD and LCM drivers in Windows, I grabbed the 64 bits ones from VSIW...).
-> I have to test on a 32 bit Windows.
Good to read to understand further (extracted from flash-tool-backend.html file) :
Note : ME stands for mobile equipment, "boot indication" can take the following values : ADL, ALT, Normal, Production, Programming : set into the config files pointed by the .mesp file)
Boot process description
When the peripheral boot sequence starts, the ME sends an asic id to the connected PC tool. The PC tool then answers with a boot indication. If normal, "ADL" or "production" is sent as boot indication; this means that the x-loader will start the binary software stored at the corresponding location in the boot image (based on the location stated by the TOC). If programming is used as boot indication, the PC will send a completely new set of boot code to the ME. This is used when a loader is downloaded during service mode startup via the Flash Tool Backend. When the normal boot indication is sent, Flash Tool backend sends no more data and the ME is booted with the binary software stored in the place where the normal software is stored according to the TOC.
The ADL boot scenario works like this:
1. Flash Tool Backend receives asic id
2. Boot indication ADL is sent
3. Flash tool backend starts LCD and LCM and waits for a loader startup message.
The loader is stored at the ADL location of the boot image (this is supported by the assemble tool).
I think I'd have to assemble the correct bootloader to enable "profile-STE_DBX500_flashloader.prfl" profile to work (we are missing corresponding loader.ldr loader). It would enable the use of the "LoaderCommunication"
I think I have all the pieces and the docs (we even have the certificates to sign it !): just need time and a better GFAF (Girlfriend acceptance factor).
The guys who managed to unbrick some Qualcomm based devices might be of a huge help, they would be much more efficient than I can be... I any of you have time to drive them around here, do not hesitate!
Enjoy!
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Any good updates & tested solution sir? I'm still waiting for a big solution for this kind of problem... TIA
Hi !
well, I'm almost done with the bootloaders: I have a loader.ldr compiled + 2 bin.
I've reset my dev. env. to an Ubuntu 10.04 according to a .doc I found in the sources (search for "*.doc", you will find "getting_Started_with_Android_and_Linux.doc"): I now have far less compilation errors, but I'm still struggling to get the full compilation process just right. For eg. I had to remove the "alsactrl" component due to dependency issues I've not been able to solve.
As already stated, I'm far from being a dev. expert so it takes me a lot of time to acheive the right compilation.
I would highly need the help of s/b who is fluent with Android compilation/dev env.: first it would be necessary to establish how to merge correctly the disclosed sources with Google's sources + the open sources from Samsung (kernel + system) (we have duplicates here as the kernel is also available in the disclosed sources, but both are different releases).
As already stated, given the few spare tile I have and without the help of the right people this will take me ~4 months+ to have this unbrick done (if I face no deadlock).
So, if you want this faster: get the right guys on the forum (from the "dev" branches) and drag them here so we can go forward much faste!
Hi!
So, I think I'm getting close: I now have the boot files build procedure working (+kernel and sytem, but I don't need those).
When I try to boot my phone with those boot files using the "flasher -tXXXX -X0,normal.bin" command, it seems that they are rejected as the phone connects and disconnects (boot loop on the iRom startup, I believe).
So, now I really need to have some kind of debug console setup to understand what's going on (cause of rejection, like signature problem etc...):
I've been working blindly up to now hopping that the software would work "off the shelves"... it never does
I'll have to try to understand how the "trigger UART" parameter of flashkit backend works and what is it intended to (I'll have to read the code for that as I've never seen any explanation about it anywhere in the docs). I don't figure out how this could work as on the backend GUI it lists the host PC's serial ports...
Another option would be to have my FTDI debug setup working. Maybe it's not "another option" but is required if the "trigger UART" is just enabling UART debug on the phone and requires a debug cable to read these debug data. My problem in that case would be how to have USB *and* UART on the same port... unless all this is designed for dev targets that have 2 USB ports as the Calao's u8500 targets. In that case, i'd have to find something smarter
As usual, if someone with knownledge on all this is willing to help: wave your hand, I'd happy to share my researches and go forward much faster. But I really feel I'm alone on this (even if I know that there will be tons of leechers when/if I manage to have this work
That's life on XDA!
Nice nice
flentus said:
Hi!
So, I think I'm getting close: I now have the boot files build procedure working (+kernel and sytem, but I don't need those).
When I try to boot my phone with those boot files using the "flasher -tXXXX -X0,normal.bin" command, it seems that they are rejected as the phone connects and disconnects (boot loop on the iRom startup, I believe).
So, now I really need to have some kind of debug console setup to understand what's going on (cause of rejection, like signature problem etc...):
I've been working blindly up to now hopping that the software would work "off the shelves"... it never does
I'll have to try to understand how the "trigger UART" parameter of flashkit backend works and what is it intended to (I'll have to read the code for that as I've never seen any explanation about it anywhere in the docs). I don't figure out how this could work as on the backend GUI it lists the host PC's serial ports...
Another option would be to have my FTDI debug setup working. Maybe it's not "another option" but is required if the "trigger UART" is just enabling UART debug on the phone and requires a debug cable to read these debug data. My problem in that case would be how to have USB *and* UART on the same port... unless all this is designed for dev targets that have 2 USB ports as the Calao's u8500 targets. In that case, i'd have to find something smarter
As usual, if someone with knownledge on all this is willing to help: wave your hand, I'd happy to share my researches and go forward much faster. But I really feel I'm alone on this (even if I know that there will be tons of leechers when/if I manage to have this work
That's life on XDA!
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U R great man..UP UP UP :good::good::good:
use UART debug on USB
This will help me, I'll test it on my working S3 mini (same proc and very similar HW)... when I have time...
-> this will validate my UART debug setup : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2100809
ok, UART debug up and partially running on my SIII mini: debug messages displayed on terminal but keystrokes do not reach the phone, this is secondary for me at the moment, I may have a bad contact somewhere.
Tested on my dead I9070: no display, so the Xloader on my eMMC is garbaged (or Xloader UART debug is disabled, but this is less likely).
As expected, I now have to figure out how to have flashloader boot files upload *and* debug working together to understand what's wrong with my compiled boot files. I think the "trigger UART" thing is a good track, but I'm really puzzled by how to have the USB *and* the UART setup at the same time.
I fear to fry something by having phone D+/D- connected to USB port of the PC and connected at the same time to my Prolific TxD/RxD + 5V VCC connected to PC USB... sounds like a bad thing.
Another track would be USB debug I see in some parts of the code, but I don't know how to read the debug from there, more code to inspect...
got it~
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I also have a fully bricked I9070( not I9070P).I`m waiting for your good news.Thanks first.
I received this PM, I believe it can be useful for others experimenting with it
flentus said:
Ola Paul,
I contact you on an advise from Cocafe.
I launched a while ago the thread "[Workshop] Unbrick fully bricked I9070" (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2701363)
I'm looking for help to acheive the task as I don't have very much time to spend on it due to huge work I have this year.
Would you be ok to participate if you have a little spare time and interest in it?
I think I'm very close to the solution, and this would help a lot of 9070 owners (and maybe SIII mini and Sony too).
As explained in my thread, I have difficulties getting the disclosed sources to build correctly up to the end when integrated with Google SDK. As a result the "finalizing" scripts (that gather the binaries and tidy the "out" directory) don't execute: I end up with a large mess and STE tools don't work out of the box. I have to gather the pieces one by one to have them run which is very time consuming and error prone.
I can say that the recovery process won't need any kind of soldering, wiring or whatever: just a regular USB cable and the right sofware.
The disclosed sources contain everything we need: PBL/SBL sources, signing tool+certificates, the software to talk to the iROM + various documentation.
The problem is just a question of assembling the pieces...
My idea is to assemble an Xloader (PBL) + Uboot (SBL) + recovery and boot from that to execute recovery.
The "flashkit" tool enables this process, I quote the docs: "If 'programming' boot indication is used as boot indication, the PC will send a completely new set of boot code to the ME. This is used when a loader is downloaded during service mode startup via the Flash Tool Backend.".
Tell me if you wish to help me, or if you know someone who has competencies and would wish to!
I speek average spanish if you prefer to exchange in this language.
Regards
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I am sorry for pointing this out, STE tools wont work ever on i9070, the reason being that we do not have a STE bootloader, heck, most of the low level stuff do not resemble the ST-Ericsson Montblanc development board. You can't even change the bootloader arguments, you can only add to them (the way I first enabled SELinux), the Samsung Bootloader version that we have may be not as restrictive as others, but Sonys bootloader resembles more to STE's than ours.
The only way you may found how to restore it is accessing the JTAG mode (something that is determined only if JTAG is connected and recognized) and depends solely on the emergency bootloader (if that exists, because I am not sure how the device powers on without PBL), the "seconds" of power you get on the USB is the device looking for JTAG.
The "disclosed" sources are for ST-Ericsson devices
Something you should do, is analyze the structures of /dev/block/mmcblk0p10, which contains our partition table (GUID Partition Table - GPT).
Simple way of doing it, you have to do dd if=/dev/block/mmcblk0p10 of=/sdcard/janice.pit on terminal emulator, this is ROM agnostic, because the structures are the same on both stock and any custom ROM. Of course, that is from a working device, I'll do that and drop it here later since I am working on something else right now, and thanks diegoch for discovering this.
Anyway, as diego pointed to me, our partition table is like this.
PIT, CSPSA, EFS, MODEM fs, SBL, SBL2, PARAM, IPL modem, MODEM, Kernel, Kernel2, system, data, cache, preload, fota, sdcard
This is the correct order I believe, since basically, when you use ODIN and use a PIT file, the partition table gets rewritten according to whatever is on that .pit file. So PIT is basically the GPT partition table; obviously SBL is the Samsung bootloader, and SBL2 I believe it's either stage 2.5 or a backup of the first.
So, no clue by going the STE way, something familiar here.
So, I may say something good at the end, see if the i9100 guys ever did it, and go from there, since our device is largely based around i9100 (Galaxy S II)
Hi Paul,
thanks for your contribution.
A few replies/questions :
* you state that Montblanc dev board and I9070 are completly different: isn't the aim of dev dev board to be close to ME while adding extra connectors to ease debug and interfacing for prototyping? Calao dev board looks very close to I9070: I have compared the schematics and component list: they look very very much alike. For me, NovaThor U8500 plateform consists of a DB8500 SoC, a Mali 400, a built-in modem + chips for USB, audio and SIM operations.
So, to me, I may be wrong, at least the processor (u8500), PLL, eMMC, SDRAM, UART + several low level controlers should be the same. As we are trying to work at such level (just trying to get the basic system to boot to just enable eMMC write), don't we have a chance to manage to have those work (maybe with adressing adaptation, those might be tough)?
* I can't agree with you that "the "seconds" of power you get on the USB is the device looking for JTAG.": on boot time, even without trashed PBL, the ME connects to USB properly with vendor/ID=04cc/8500, and sends its ASIC ID (displayed on PC screen). As stated earlier in the thread, I manage to send some commands and receive response from the ME in this state using STE tools (flashkit_cli, sending commands threw flashkit_backend).
It's definetly not any JTAG stuffs. JTAG on the I9070 is accessible on the mainboard via dedicated pads, you can locate using the light schematics provided in the "Service manual" package.
This early boot behaviour is documented in the "flash-tool-backend.html" document (available in s-4.1_vendor_st-ericsson.tar in ./s-4.1_vendor_st-ericsson/vendor/st-ericsson/tools/platform/flash_kit/flash_tool_backend/com.stericsson.sdk.backend.build/doc):
Boot process description
When the peripheral boot sequence starts, the ME sends an asic id to the connected PC tool.
The PC tool then answers with a boot indication.
- If normal, ADL or production is sent as boot indication; this means that the x-loader will start the binary software stored at the corresponding location in the boot image (based on the location stated by the TOC).
- If programming is used as boot indication, the PC will send a completely new set of boot code to the ME. This is used when a loader is downloaded during service mode startup via the Flash Tool Backend.
- When the normal boot indication is sent, Flash Tool backend sends no more data and the ME is booted with the binary software stored in the place where the normal software is stored according to the TOC.
The ADL boot scenario works like this:
1. Flash Tool Backend receives asic id
2. Boot indication ADL is sent
3. Flash tool backend starts LCD and LCM and waits for a loader startup message.
The loader is stored at the ADL location of the boot image (this is supported by the assemble tool).
* If I understand well, as we don't have the sources for the bootloader, your proposal is to grab one from a working device.
That sounds a really good idea!
Here is the complete partition table/PIT of the I9070 (recovered by someone with a Riff box from a GB archive, if I remember well):
(copy/paste it in a traditional editor and add padding to recover the table).
Partition number Filename in archive Name in PIT starting offset HEX Size in bytes HEX
MBR, GPT 0 20000
STE_boot.bin TOC ISSW XLOADER 20000 60000
mmcblk0p10 GT-I9070P_EUR_XX_8G.pit PIT 80000 100000
mmcblk0p6 cspsa.img CSPSA FS 180000 180000
EMPTY 300000 100000
mmcblk0p7 EFS.img EFS 400000 A00000
mmcblk0p2 modemfs.img MODEM FS E00000 100000
mem_init.bin STE MEM INIT 1E00000 80000
power_management.bin PWR MGT 1E80000 80000
mmcblk0p14 normal.bin SBL 1F00000 200000
mmcblk0p16 normal2.bin SBL_2 2100000 200000
mmcblk0p1 param.lfs PARAM 2300000 1000000
mmcblk0p12 ipl.bin IPL MODEM 3300000 200000
mmcblk0p13 modem.bin MODEM 3500000 1000000
mmcblk0p15 kernel.bin KERNEL 4500000 1000000
mmcblk0p17 kernel2.bin KERNEL2 5500000 1000000
mmcblk0p3 system.img SYSTEM 6500000 26400000
mmcblk0p5 userdata.img DATAFS 2C900000 80000000
mmcblk0p4 cache.img CACHEFS AC900000 13200000
mmcblk0p9 hidden.img HIDDEN BFB00000 14000000
mmcblk0p11 ssgtest.img FOTA D3B00000 3200000
mmcblk0p8 ums.rfs UMS D6D00000 FAA00000
--> PBL corresponds to "TOC ISSW XLOADER" (STE_boot.bin in the flash archive) and SLB to normal.bin. So basically we have our boot files. We can extract them from the GB flash archive or from a ROM dump (I have dd'ed every partitions from 2 different I9070P + a full recovery dump from a 9070 provided by Riff box support files I found once I don't remember where).
So, if I have time one of theses days, I'll try to build a flash archive based on these files and try to boot from STE tools on it using "programming" as boot indication.
* Using the knowledge of the I9100 (Galaxy S II): I'm afraid this is a very different hardware, I9100 uses an Exynos 4210, so I hardly see what we could use from there... Could you give us some more advise on that idea?
Regards
Hi!
I had no time working on this for a while: extremely busy at work.
Maybe this weekend...
@cocafe: I've read you know how to extract the initramfs from the kernel, modify, repack, and reflash it. I'll need to do that to modify the "on boot" section of the init.rc to launch the recovery from standard boot. Could you drop me here the command lines to do that? Thanks in advance!
This looks by far the most advanced research into bringing back a hard bricked i9070.
@flentus Did you manage to upload a new bootloader?
Hi,
had to time at all to play with this for a loooong time.
I have grabed a few new phones so me 9070 is now burried deep into a drawer but I really wish to finish this one day because I feel I'm very close to something.
If anybody would like to take over this, feel free, I can provide support for the stuff I have understood (and remember of...)
Regards