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Since Android Wear has the screen on all the time, and the Gear Live is AMOLED wouldn't burn in be an issue? the galaxy gears on display at retail stores have a bit of a burn in problem.
nolandynamite said:
Since Android Wear has the screen on all the time, and the Gear Live is AMOLED wouldn't burn in be an issue? the galaxy gears on display at retail stores have a bit of a burn in problem.
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From what I've read, the watches are "always on" in the sense at the screen stays on, but the lighting is turned off. So instead of having to refresh the UI every time the watch is seen, it just turns the light on. Similar to a backlight for a laptop. Display models are usually always lit so they burn in due to the display being lit 24/7.
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From what I've read, the watches are "always on" in the sense at the screen stays on, but the lighting is turned off. So instead of having to refresh the UI every time the watch is seen, it just turns the light on. Similar to a backlight for a laptop. Display models are usually always lit so they burn in due to the display being lit 24/7.
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As far as I am aware, AMOLED has no backlight...that's sort of the point...every pixel "burns" individually.
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As far as I am aware, AMOLED has no backlight...that's sort of the point...every pixel "burns" individually.
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I said similar because not everyone is familiar with the way AMOLED's work. But the same thing occurred at his Best Buy as would any modern portable display, device is constantly lit, and resulted in burn in.
I'm sure the user has an option to turn off the display if they choose to.
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they also have dark mode and dim (holding palm over the screen) don't they?
hopefully there'll be something within all this to prevent issues.
Only LG G Watch has "Always-on" display, Gear Live and Moto 360 have a button to turn it on and yes in the Setting you have an option to adjust the brightness.
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Only LG G Watch has "Always-on" display, Gear Live and Moto 360 have a button to turn it on and yes in the Setting you have an option to adjust the brightness.
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After watching like, 40 videos, I'm pretty sure that they all have always on. The button on the Gear Live and the 360 are to act as a physical way of turning off the display entirely as LG allows by covering it with your palm. But yeah, from what I've seen, the Gear Live goes into the same low power greyscale mode that the G Watch goes into, and both support wrist flicking to activate the display.
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After watching like, 40 videos, I'm pretty sure that they all have always on. The button on the Gear Live and the 360 are to act as a physical way of turning off the display entirely as LG allows by covering it with your palm. But yeah, from what I've seen, the Gear Live goes into the same low power greyscale mode that the G Watch goes into, and both support wrist flicking to activate the display.
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I did watch about 40 videos too lol and LG G Watch was the only advertised as "screen always on" as Gear Live has Super AMOLED display and even greater resolution than LG G Watch so the Gear Live would burn out in matter of hours.
LG G has 400 Mah battery, IPS display and lower resolution so it can withstand being "always-on" for at least 36 hours as advertised.
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I did watch about 40 videos too lol and LG G Watch was the only advertised as "screen always on" as Gear Live has Super AMOLED display and even greater resolution than LG G Watch so the Gear Live would burn out in matter of hours.
LG G has 400 Mah battery, IPS display and lower resolution so it can withstand being "always-on" for at least 36 hours as advertised.
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Except, you know, on the official Google page, and in the videos that I've seen, the screen also just times out to a low power, black and white screen (referring to the Gear Live). Super AMOLED is more power efficient in idle / dark screens due to the nature of individual pixel lightning, so I don't really understand what you mean by the Gear Live would burn out in a matter of hours (they should be relatively the same from what I can tell).
Always on = standby (i.e low brightness, dark screen). It does not mean full brightness, always coloured watch face. No way in hell. If that was the case, why would the displays time out in what appears to be 5-10 seconds?
Yeah.. I'm going to wait on conclusive battery testing before making my purchase. I've got like a week anyways, might as well.
Also, I'm legitimately concerned about screen burn in now, given the nature of AMOLED.
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Except, you know, on the official Google page, and in the videos that I've seen, the screen also just times out to a low power, black and white screen (referring to the Gear Live). Super AMOLED is more power efficient in idle / dark screens due to the nature of individual pixel lightning, so I don't really understand what you mean by the Gear Live would burn out in a matter of hours (they should be relatively the same from what I can tell).
Always on = standby (i.e low brightness, dark screen). It does not mean full brightness, always coloured watch face. No way in hell. If that was the case, why would the displays time out in what appears to be 5-10 seconds?
Yeah.. I'm going to wait on conclusive battery testing before making my purchase. I've got like a week anyways, might as well.
Also, I'm legitimately concerned about screen burn in now, given the nature of AMOLED.
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i've been concerned about screen burn in from time to time as well (most recently with the gnex). but then i realized it is highly unlikely i'll have the device for long enough to achieve burn in and/or notice
I've been playing with my Gear Live for a couple of days, so here's what I can tell :
- The screen is "Always On" by default, which means it will get dimmer and switch to a black background on most watch faces (and for AMOLED, black means "off").
- You can set it to turn off completely.
- In order to dim it (or turn it off depending on the settings) you can either wait, cover the screen with your hand, or use the physical button... The button is not really practical and seems to serve absolutely no purpose since you can use the screen.
- I haven't noticed any burn-in at all yet
- I think I noticed that from time to time the facewatch (I'm using the one with the digital hour in the center and analog minutes, I think it's called "digitalog" ) switches a few pixels to the right or to the left. My guess is it is to prevent burn in, I know most plasma TVs do that too.
- I had a Galaxy S2 for several years before switching to a Nexus 5, and yes, the toip of the screen where the notification bar usually is was burnt-in (or rather I think the whole screen was burnt except for this black bar). It was noticeable on full screen apps but never bothered me. Even if it happens on the Gear Live I can't see it bothering me... It's not like I'll be watching movies on it...
So my guess is you should be fine... But if you're really worried you can always disable "Always On".
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I've been playing with my Gear Live for a couple of days, so here's what I can tell :
- The screen is "Always On" by default, which means it will get dimmer and switch to a black background on most watch faces (and for AMOLED, black means "off").
- You can set it to turn off completely.
- In order to dim it (or turn it off depending on the settings) you can either wait, cover the screen with your hand, or use the physical button... The button is not really practical and seems to serve absolutely no purpose since you can use the screen.
- I haven't noticed any burn-in at all yet
- I think I noticed that from time to time the facewatch (I'm using the one with the digital hour in the center and analog minutes, I think it's called "digitalog" ) switches a few pixels to the right or to the left. My guess is it is to prevent burn in, I know most plasma TVs do that too.
- I had a Galaxy S2 for several years before switching to a Nexus 5, and yes, the toip of the screen where the notification bar usually is was burnt-in (or rather I think the whole screen was burnt except for this black bar). It was noticeable on full screen apps but never bothered me. Even if it happens on the Gear Live I can't see it bothering me... It's not like I'll be watching movies on it...
So my guess is you should be fine... But if you're really worried you can always disable "Always On".
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How is the battery though? Think you can get through a solid day with heavy notification flow? That's all I really care about.
BlueScreenJunky said:
- I think I noticed that from time to time the facewatch (I'm using the one with the digital hour in the center and analog minutes, I think it's called "digitalog" ) switches a few pixels to the right or to the left. My guess is it is to prevent burn in, I know most plasma TVs do that too.
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I have a Gear Live, and can confirm this is true. I've seen it on multiple watch faces.
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Except, you know, on the official Google page, and in the videos that I've seen, the screen also just times out to a low power, black and white screen (referring to the Gear Live). Super AMOLED is more power efficient in idle / dark screens due to the nature of individual pixel lightning, so I don't really understand what you mean by the Gear Live would burn out in a matter of hours (they should be relatively the same from what I can tell).
Always on = standby (i.e low brightness, dark screen). It does not mean full brightness, always coloured watch face. No way in hell. If that was the case, why would the displays time out in what appears to be 5-10 seconds?
Yeah.. I'm going to wait on conclusive battery testing before making my purchase. I've got like a week anyways, might as well.
Also, I'm legitimately concerned about screen burn in now, given the nature of AMOLED.
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I own a Gear Live and can confirm that it does indeed have an always on display (which can be toggled from settings) that dims to gray scale when not in use just like the G Watch.
At the same time I can also confirm that having my watch now just around 3 weeks has already showed some very minor signs of burn-in. Typically when in apps or settings. As I said though its very minor and not really noticeable unless you're looking for it. That said though it is there.
Also to clear up battery life the Gear Live can withstand 36hours of always on screen. While I typically charge my watch each night I have tested it and can get it to run from one morning through to the following night before the battery reaches 5%. This is with the Always-on display option enabled.
Are you guys leaving the screen on all night when you're sleeping? I know its not lit up all the way but like the dimmed version of the screen. Like I'm using the simple clock. You think its okay to leave that on all night? I'm thinking it'll be okay cause it'll gradually change over night so it's not technically sitting on one time for 7 hours.
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tu3218 said:
Are you guys leaving the screen on all night when you're sleeping? I know its not lit up all the way but like the dimmed version of the screen. Like I'm using the simple clock. You think its okay to leave that on all night? I'm thinking it'll be okay cause it'll gradually change over night so it's not technically sitting on one time for 7 hours.
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I am a little worried about burn in myself so I turn the device off at night when I charge it. Even though the pixels should shift with the default watch faces I just think it's a safer bet to power it off.
I noticed that on my S10e, auto brightness doesnt work as well as it did on my Note 9.
Sometimes I have to manually turn down my brightness if I turn off the lights in my bedroom for example. Or if i turn on the lights, brightness stays on the same level. But if i turn off my phone display then turn it back on, the brightness is suddenly changed.
How well does it work for you guys?
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I noticed that on my S10e, auto brightness doesnt work as well as it did on my Note 9.
Sometimes I have to manually turn down my brightness if I turn off the lights in my bedroom for example. Or if i turn on the lights, brightness stays on the same level. But if i turn off my phone display then turn it back on, the brightness is suddenly changed.
How well does it work for you guys?
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I have noticed that my S10e is slow to respond to ambient lighting
I have an S10 and to be honest it's hard to say if auto brightness is working how it should. Coming from an LG V30 this phone's display is significantly brighter and especially more apparent when using it in the dark. Even the darkest setting is too bright. I always check the level to make sure auto brightness is working as it should and I guess it is? Either that or it's stuck.
my only comment is that in totally dark room it does not go all the way down , it stays a little bit brighter than normal and than my old iphone x
talking about the s10+
Mohamad Gahed said:
my only comment is that in totally dark room it does not go all the way down , it stays a little bit brighter than normal and than my old iphone x
talking about the s10+
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yeah same here, and the strange thing is that on my Samsung Note 9 & Samsung S7 it actually used to go all the way down in a totally dark room, but on this phone it doesnt for some reason..
It can take a bit for Adaptive brightness to learn what your favorite settings are like.
Yes, same here, I have s10 and in the dark auto brightness is near to half. Wtf?! I tried to calibrate, no chance. For sure this is a bug. If you go in *#0*# you will see it s writing uncalibrate light sensor
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It can take a bit for Adaptive brightness to learn what your favorite settings are like.
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nah, on my Note 9 & S7 it worked as it should on the first day i got those phones
there clearly is a problem with adaptive brightness on the S10, anyone with the S10 who had another samsung phone previously will notice that
no, the auto brightness is trash. it sucks. it never gets bright enough even tho i've made adjustments literally daily. it sucks.
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I have noticed that my S10e is slow to respond to ambient lighting
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Yup. Same here. Maybe software update will fix this soon.
Even with factory reset it still happened.
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x1tymez said:
Yup. Same here. Maybe software update will fix this soon.
Even with factory reset it still happened.
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I too did factory reset...at least we have tried
Different topic: I will wait for T-Mobile firmware one more day and may possibly return the device back to Samsung and keep my Pixel 2
Charkatak said:
I too did factory reset...at least we have tried
Different topic: I will wait for T-Mobile firmware one more day and may possibly return the device back to Samsung and keep my Pixel 2
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I got my first update on unlocked version. Why return?
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I got my first update on unlocked version. Why return?
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First reason: I want some T-Mobile features what unlocked doesn't provide natively and may require an extra app to function, but if before return window closes, I would be able to find a 100% firmware that would work, then I may not return the device.
Second reason: I don't like the fingerprint on S10e and maybe it is somehow better than S10's implementation, I still have to be more precise than Pixel 2 and other which had the sensor on the back.
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First reason: I want some T-Mobile features what unlocked doesn't provide natively and may require an extra app to function, but if before return window closes, I would be able to find a 100% firmware that would work, then I may not return the device.
Second reason: I don't like the fingerprint on S10e and maybe it is somehow better than S10's implementation, I still have to be more precise than Pixel 2 and other which had the sensor on the back.
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Interesting. I came from OnePlus 6t, the in displayed scanner suck kiwi balls. Everytime you switch screen protector you needed to rescan your finger. Lol.
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x1tymez said:
Interesting. I came from OnePlus 6t, the in displayed scanner suck kiwi balls. Everytime you switch screen protector you needed to rescan your finger. Lol.
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Oh, that is not convenient at all. I think the manufacturers are pushing their limits to please customers with new designs/features which in reality hurt the quality of the devices we pay for
I have the S10 plus and the auto brightness seems to be functioning fine. Occasionally in the dark I get thrown off with how bright this screen is. The brightness setting does decrease significantly in the dark but when viewing something with a mostly white background, I have to squint until my pupils constrict to a point where my retinas aren't getting torched. In brighter environments, the brightness level seems to increase accordingly.
Hi guys,
I came across an article about this issue from Aman Jain (Valuetalk) : https://www.valuewalk.com/2019/04/galaxy-s10-auto-brightness-no-issue/amp/
Facing Issues With Galaxy S10 Auto Brightness? Do This
Aman Jain Aman Jain
April 3, 2019 11:42 am
Samsung Galaxy Note 10E
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Galaxy S10 auto brightness
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We have already covered the issues with the proximity sensor in the Samsung Galaxy S10. Now, it appears, one more sensor in the Galaxy S10 is not working as it should. Several users are complaining that the Galaxy S10 auto brightness or the ambient light sensor is not working perfectly.
Galaxy S10 auto brightness – what’s the issue?
Affected users have raised the issue on social platforms and Samsung’s product forums (first spotted by tech site PiunikaWeb). Users complained that the brightness level does not automatically come down in low light. So, they have had to do it manually, but it remains at the set level even when the light is good.
“Sometimes I have to manually turn down my brightness if I turn off the lights in my bedroom for example. Or if i turn on the lights, brightness stays on the same level. But if i turn off my phone display then turn it back on, the brightness is suddenly changed,” one user said.
Further, users also say that with adaptive brightness turned on, the screen goes dark when facing the sun. “White highlights are bright blue, and all colors are distorted. It’s unusable. Spin back around or go into the shade, and the screen comes back to normal,” one user said on Reddit.
Users say that this was not the case with the Galaxy S9, where the auto brightness feature worked perfectly. One user even claims that the Galaxy S10 doesn’t even have a light sensor, instead, maybe there is some in-display sensor that needs a software fix.
“..even if you put your finger on the front camera the auto brightness still moves …..also if you acces this *#0*# you cannot find the light sensor because it’s not there like old samsung phones,” one user said on Samsung’s product forum.
Adaptive brightness to blame
Several users believe that the adaptive brightness is to blame here, and so they have turned it off. However, turning it off is not a solution, and many users agree to that.
“This is a huge problem, and should not be happening on a new phone. The adaptive brightness is a major feature of the phone, and simply turning it off isn’t an option as far as I’m concerned,” one Reddit user said.
It must be noted that Adaptive Brightness came with Android 9. It is an AI based feature that gets better with time. Meaning, it would learn from the interactions that users make with the screen brightness slider, and over time, it would customize the brightness automatically to meet the users’ needs.
Google says that in its testing for Adaptive Brightness, it found that half the test users made fewer adjustments to the slider after a week of using the Adaptive Brightness.
Not an issue, give it some time
Based on Google’s explanation, it seems, users need to give some more time for their phones to adapt to the Adaptive Brightness. Even Samsung’s explanation of the issue with the Galaxy S10 auto brightness is somewhat similar.
“From Android P, a user’s brightness setting pattern is learned, and when the user sets a specific brightness the automatic brightness is controlled to be closer to that specific brightness…… However, when you set the brightness, the brightness can be applied immediately in the short term. If more than 30 seconds after the screen is turned off and the ambient light environment changes by more than 60%, this short term setting brightness will return to the light that was relearned,” Samsung developers say.
Additionally, developers say that users can reset the brightness curve to start the learning process again. To do this, go to Settings – Apps – Show system apps – Device Health Service – Storage – Manage Storage – reset Adaptive Brightness.
All this explanation from Samsung developers and Google could mean that the complaints from users about the Galaxy S10 auto brightness are valid, but it still is not an issue. Things will get better with time as AI learns more about users’ preferences.
Though it is not a bug, affected users do not seem very satisfied as they still have to live with inferior quality images (even if for some time until AI applies the learning).
“Not sure it’s a error to be replicated per se. It’s just an inferior looking quality of image. They will have to make the comparison to see the very obvious difference,” one user said.
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FYI : the brightness sensor is under the screen like the proxity sensor, located bellow the wifi / network icon. It's visible at sun light.
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FYI : the brightness sensor is under the screen like the proxity sensor, located bellow the wifi / network icon. It's visible at sun light.
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There are actually two light sensors: front and back of the phone.
Unlock the device without pressing the power button and only by placing your fingerprint on the sensor.
The light sensor starts checking the environment light only in this situation
This setting doesn't seem to be working for me, and this is one of the biggest features I want enabled. I would think could be a massive battery saver, but also extremely convenient. Reading a long article online, sometimes I'm just staring at the screen, not moving touching the display, and makes so much sense for a Face ID thing to see your eyes focus on the phone to keep it awake. But then I would guess can save battery, as when your done viewing the phone, and put it down, the screen turns off.
Android Q adds support for a Smart Stay-like “Screen Attention” feature
https://www.xda-developers.com/android-q-smart-stay-screen-attention/
Settings > Display > Screen attention
I enabled this in the settings, then I set my screen time out to 15 seconds, to save battery, but thought this "screen attention" thing will keep the screen on for me, when reading news and stuff , as the face ID thing will scan my eyes keeping the display on. Well it doesn't seem to work, if I just stare at a web page for longer than 15 seconds, the screens turns off.
Huh, wonder if the dwell time is just too short. Samsung's version didn't work well for me with less than 30 seconds.
Works for me. It does say that it uses the front facing camera so maybe it doesn't work in poor lighting.
Screen Attention doesn't seem to work for me? I have my display set to 30 seconds to shut off, but if I read an article on my web browser for 30+ seconds, the screen fades to black and turns off.
I have Motion Sense on, but not everything enabled, but I do have Lift Wake, and Reach to wake, and Tap to wake enabled.
Unless there's some other setting I am missing specifically for Screen Attention to work?
Screen Attention has so far been hit-and-miss for me. It appears to be working most of the time, but I have also had it on when the screen just dims and shuts off as I am reading. No poor lighting issues here. This was observed in daylight.
Works for me without issues... How do you hold your phone. Maybe you need to have a thumb in front of the screen so that soli can see something there?
The feature uses the camera. Mine has worked fine but I'm on 1 minute.
Mine never seem to work besides the first day. It's just easier to set the lock to 1 minute and don't bother with screen attention.
This is my post in the Moto G Stylus forum
Disclaimer: I have no idea who makes this app and I get nothing for promoting it. I just think it is a nice addition to this phone.
Found what I consider a nice app for this phone. In the play store: Always on AMOLED.
I like the MOTO built in screen saver, but it only works plugged in and it doesn't show notifications. I was missing calls and messages. You have to touch the screen to bring up the home screen and see if there are any missed calls, etc.
This app has a lot of customization and works whether charging or not. I have my phone in a dock at my desk, so I can see the time and any new notifications at a glance. If it is not in the dock I can leave it face up and see the time, etc. or place it face down and the display turns off. If in your pocket or in a holster or other case that covers the screen the display turns off saving battery. I've gone almost a whole day without losing any charge because it was face down on my desk while I was out.
Pro's:
Nice customization choices
Home or lock screen don't come on when plugging in or unplugging
Can put date, time, battery level and weather on it if you choose
Notifications show and an optional pulsating blue border for a new notification
You can adjust the brightness of the display, but it doesn't automatically shift given lighting conditions (partly a con)
The display shifts around so as not to cause burn in
Con's:
If not plugged in and screen not covered, it will drain the battery faster
Pushing the power button does not bring up the home screen - you have to double tap the screen
There may be better options, let us know - I'm always looking for better options.
Cheers!
I recently purchased a new Galaxy Watch 3, coming from my trusty Gear S3. One thing that is annoying me to no end is this "Screensaver" feature when the watch goes to sleep while an app is open. Pretty hard to describe so here is a video with a side by side comparison between the Watch 3 and my Gear S3.
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Both watches have the exact same watch face. Notice that when the Watch 3 goes to sleep while on anything but the Watch face, it switches to this stupid Digital screensaver. The net effect of this is that 90% of the time when the screen is in "always on" mode it uses this stupid screensaver instead of my chosen watchface.
I should not that I am using a custom WatchMaker watch face.
Is there anyway to disable this "feature" so that it behaves like the S3?
I noticed the same! I expect it is because of the too small battery. Its not always on exactly, its always on to a Screensaver.
Would be nice to be able to change it...
Same here. I'd like to kill this "feature", i.e. when timed out revert to the "Always on" watchface, not the default screensaver.
Mine does this too, but falls back to the Watch Face AOD after about 20 secs. I think it was actually designed this way to allow you to go back to the screen you were on before the screen saver was triggered, by pressing the top button.
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Mine does this too, but falls back to the Watch Face AOD after about 20 secs. I think it was actually designed this way to allow you to go back to the screen you were on before the screen saver was triggered, by pressing the top button.
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Mine doesn't fall back to AOD watch face at all. It can stay all day on the "screensaver watchface". That's what I'd like to switch off.
Reducing the time, but still not a fix
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Mine doesn't fall back to AOD watch face at all. It can stay all day on the "screensaver watchface". That's what I'd like to switch off.
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I'd love to get rid of this screensaver watch face as well, however, as others have mentioned, for me it also goes away fairly quickly. In your Galaxy Wearable app, if you go into "Display", what setting do you have under "Show last app". Mine is currently set to "When screen turns on again within 20 seconds". Unfortunately, there is no "off" for this, and 20 seconds is the minimum. If you have this set higher (e.g. to 1hr) I wonder if you'd see what you are seeing.
Regardless, if anyone figures out how to disable this, I'd love to know as well!
Same issue here. It is annoying. Following.
Same problem coming from the Galaxy Watch to the Watch3. Following hoping for a solution.