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Disappointed: Samsung Galaxy Note 5 // More and more missing features 【#ProjectZero2】
Hello, everybody.
Everybody does still remember the great shock, where Samsung switched to the evil side of Smartphones with the S6. Nobody expected Samsung ever to do that to the people, who appreciated Samsung before.
Now everybody hoped the Note 5 to be a better Smartphone than the S6, and everybody, who appreciated the OLD „Samsung“ hoped Samsung to fix the S6 disadvantages on the Note 5.
But the codename „Project Zero 2“ made Samsungs Market Suicide for sure.
Example: TSP-Hovering was something great to show off in front of pupils from your school class. The nice S4 and Note 3 gimmicks were good to show off.
But showing off with an S6 is rather impossible.
And if you're in survival mode, the 2550 mAh of the S6 won't keep you alive very long.
Important: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61982181&postcount=529
Comparisson between the old and the new Samsung:
OLD:
Newer Phone = More Features
Newer Phones must cover the FULL FEATURE RANGE of the old phone.
Newer Phones are able to be used to show off
Newer Phones do not lose a single feature
Newer Phones have a better battery runtime
Newer Phones have cuter user interfaces
Successors will impress
Hardware is more important than Design
NEW:
Successors with ugly logo: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:GalaxyS6_Logo.Png (File History)
Successors don't show the model number (e.g. GT-i9506 or SM-N9005) on the boot screen. So the i9506 looks like a stock i9505
Successors get uglier user interface
Successors only have the most important and basic features
Successors get new features, that get lost on the next phone.
Successors get more restrictions
Successors loose more and more features
Successors: Unable to showoff
Successors: Design is more Important than Hardware
Successors have less costumizability possibilities
Less gimmicks
Project Zero als means Zero Feature Range
Successors: More gaps
Successors: requiring getting used to
Successors: Less Setting Possibilities
Successors: Making many things worse (Now, the S6 does have the iPhone photo animation.)
Successors: Uglier UI Sounds
Successors: Many useful features are vanished
Successors: Harder to use (e.g. you can't access the AppInfo from App Switcher +++ you can't access display settings and clock settings from the dropdown menu)
Successors: Loss of Pre-Installed Features (Like Creating/Extracting ZIP Files with the native file manager or drop down menu with two fingers)
If there is a UI change, there must be the possiblity to get the old one back (like Lollipop Task Switcher or Lollipop Drop Down Menu or TouchWiz Message Boxes)
Successors: Less flexibility and capabilities and usability. (Water-Resistance; USB 3.0 (Faster Data Transfer); MicroSD; MHL-MicroHDMI; Removable Battery; Large battery; Many Features; Useful Features ← all missing. )
Successors: I really hope the Physical Shutter Button from the Omnia 2 GT-i8000 (2009/2010 Flagship) to come back to Samsung.
Successors: Less Sensors (Gesture, TSP-Hovering, Temperature, Humidity, Air-Pressure, UV)
Loss of Backwards Compatibility (Applications or MMS Video Recording etc…)
So it#s impossible to call Project-Zero-Phones „flagship“.
The two phones which had most of the features and the lowest amount of lost features at their release date were the S2 GT-i9100 and the Note 3 SM-N9005.
A great thanks to @hella356 and @bbbobbbo for the great comprehension.
If something is wrong, feel free mentioning it by posting here or sending me a private message.
Feel free posting your opinion here! Every post is welcome.
I do really miss the old times of Smartphones and normal Cell Phones, where there were only new features, no lost features.
Here is a list of lost features, which can be used to ShowOff in your school class:
Air Gestures (S4, Note 3)
TSP-Hovering (S4, Note 3, Alpha) Call Number: *#0*# or *#7353#.
Temperature and Humidity Sensor (S4, Note 3)
Smart Pause [S4, Note 3]
Smart Stay [S4, Note 3]
Smart Rotation [S4, Note 3]
Smart Screen [S4, Note 3]
Smart Scroll [S4, Note 3]
Air View (e.g. Video Player Bubble)
Video Thumbnail Playback [If you don't like it or want to save battery, disable it]
Toolbox
Note 2, S4, Note 3, S5 and Alpha: Camera Features and Scene Modes
MHL-MicroHDMI
Dropdown-Menu: Drop with Two Fingers and call all features
The Second generation of ProjectZero.
Important Post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/not...-missing-feature-galaxy-t2866382/post61982181
I can't believe it! Samsung made suicide. That can't be true. :crying:
I truly hope Samsung to come back to the good side of fortune.
In the meantime: Feel Free sharing your disappointment in this thread.
@hella356: Your -E Models-Idea was a very good idea‼ (Removable Battery, MicroSD, etc.)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/not...storage-removable-t3050516/page2#post62442231
Let's hope the best for Samsung:
Say NO to Project Zero.
ProjectZero 2? No way‼
Hannah Stern said:
Hello, everybody.
Everybody does still remember the great shock, where Samsung switched to the evil side of Smartphones with the S6. Nobody expected Samsung ever to do that to the people, who appreciated Samsung before.
Now everybody hoped the Note 5 to be a better Smartphone than the S6, and everybody, who appreciated the OLD „Samsung“ hoped Samsung to fix the S6 disadvantages on the Note 5.
But the codename „Project Zero 2“ made Samsungs Market Suicide for sure.
Example: TSP-Hovering was something great to show off in front of pupils from your school class. The nice S4 and Note 3 gimmicks were good to show off.
But showing off with an S6 is rather impossible.
And if you're in survival mode, the 2550 mAh of the S6 won't keep you alive very long.
Important: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61982181&postcount=529
Comparisson between the old and the new Samsung:
OLD:
Newer Phone = More Features
Newer Phones must cover the FULL FEATURE RANGE of the old phone.
Newer Phones are able to be used to show off
Newer Phones do not lose a single feature
Newer Phones have a better battery runtime
Newer Phones have cuter user interfaces
Successors will impress
Hardware is more important than Design
NEW:
Successors with ugly logo: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:GalaxyS6_Logo.Png (File History)
Successors don't show the model number (e.g. GT-i9506 or SM-N9005) on the boot screen. So the i9506 looks like a stock i9505
Successors get uglier user interface
Successors only have the most important and basic features
Successors get new features, that get lost on the next phone.
Successors get more restrictions
Successors loose more and more features
Successors: Unable to showoff
Successors: Design is more Important than Hardware
Successors have less costumizability possibilities
Less gimmicks
Project Zero als means Zero Feature Range
Successors: More gaps
Successors: requiring getting used to
Successors: Less Setting Possibilities
Successors: Making many things worse (Now, the S6 does have the iPhone photo animation.)
Successors: Uglier UI Sounds
Successors: Many useful features are vanished
Successors: Harder to use (e.g. you can't access the AppInfo from App Switcher +++ you can't access display settings and clock settings from the dropdown menu)
Successors: Loss of Pre-Installed Features (Like Creating/Extracting ZIP Files with the native file manager or drop down menu with two fingers)
If there is a UI change, there must be the possiblity to get the old one back (like Lollipop Task Switcher or Lollipop Drop Down Menu or TouchWiz Message Boxes)
Successors: Less flexibility and capabilities and usability. (Water-Resistance; USB 3.0 (Faster Data Transfer); MicroSD; MHL-MicroHDMI; Removable Battery; Large battery; Many Features; Useful Features ← all missing. )
Successors: I really hope the Physical Shutter Button from the Omnia 2 GT-i8000 (2009/2010 Flagship) to come back to Samsung.
Successors: Less Sensors (Gesture, TSP-Hovering, Temperature, Humidity, Air-Pressure, UV)
Loss of Backwards Compatibility (Applications or MMS Video Recording etc…)
So it#s impossible to call Project-Zero-Phones „flagship“.
The two phones which had most of the features and the lowest amount of lost features at their release date were the S2 GT-i9100 and the Note 3 SM-N9005.
A great thanks to @hella356 and @bbbobbbo for the great comprehension.
If something is wrong, feel free mentioning it by posting here or sending me a private message.
Feel free posting your opinion here! Every post is welcome.
I do really miss the old times of Smartphones and normal Cell Phones, where there were only new features, no lost features.
Here is a list of lost features, which can be used to ShowOff in your school class:
Air Gestures (S4, Note 3)
TSP-Hovering (S4, Note 3, Alpha) Call Number: *#0*# or *#7353#.
Temperature and Humidity Sensor (S4, Note 3)
Smart Pause [S4, Note 3]
Smart Stay [S4, Note 3]
Smart Rotation [S4, Note 3]
Smart Screen [S4, Note 3]
Smart Scroll [S4, Note 3]
Air View (e.g. Video Player Bubble)
Video Thumbnail Playback [If you don't like it or want to save battery, disable it]
Toolbox
Note 2, S4, Note 3, S5 and Alpha: Camera Features and Scene Modes
MHL-MicroHDMI
Dropdown-Menu: Drop with Two Fingers and call all features
The Second generation of ProjectZero.
Important Post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/not...-missing-feature-galaxy-t2866382/post61982181
I can't believe it! Samsung made suicide. That can't be true. :crying:
I truly hope Samsung to come back to the good side of fortune.
In the meantime: Feel Free sharing your disappointment in this thread.
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Totally agree! It is beyond my comprehension as to why Samsung is doing all this, and TBH I'm starting to not give a flying f**k!
As Hannah so well pointed out, Samsung as we all used to know no longer exists! It really is becoming just an IPhone with an added stylus, only worse.
Oh, and Hannah, among the missing features let's not forget:
- embedded location (street name and number) in the pictures name, like Note 2's;
- real physical FM radio;
- photo signature, like Note 3's;
- is really IR blaster missing, or is it just rumours?
So as farm as I'm concerned, I' ll be sticking with my current Note 4 long as I can , and as soon as a mother-of-all-phones hits the market, WITH a stylus like Spen, I'll be its first owner!
bbbobbbo said:
Totally agree! It is beyond my comprehension as to why Samsung is doing all this, and TBH I'm starting to not give a flying f**k!
As Hannah so well pointed out, Samsung as we all used to know no longer exists! It really is becoming just an IPhone with an added stylus, only worse.
Oh, and Hannah, among the missing features let's not forget:
- embedded location (street name and number) in the pictures name, like Note 2's;
- real physical FM radio;
- photo signature, like Note 3's;
- is really IR blaster missing, or is it just rumours?
So as farm as I'm concerned, I' ll be sticking with my current Note 4 long as I can , and as soon as a mother-of-all-phones hits the market, WITH a stylus like Spen, I'll be its first owner!
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You're absolutely 1000 Percents right. Thank you very much for your reply.
What the hell actually happened to Samsung? I simply can't believe that.
The only way, Samsung can return is that less and less people buy their devices, so that they cancel ProjectZero.
ProjectZero=SamsungSuicide
Definition of ProjectZero:
Zero Reputation for Samsung
Zero Feature Range
Zero end-user friendly
Zero Flexibility
Loss of Features
Design has a higer priority than Hardware+Flexibility+Software+UI
But for the People, who appreciated SAMSUNG before, the FEATURES are more important than the DESIGN!!!!!
Design-Priority is something for iPhone.
Their Phones have:
Just 1 GB Ram
1850 mAh (Galaxy Alpha has 1860 mAh) Battery
No 4K Video
Crappy Camera User Interface
Setting Menu: Ugly User Interface
But Apples advantage is, that successors don't lose any feature.
Samsung must not go that way.
Nobody expected the S6 to be such a CrapFone (or CrapPhone).
Before S6 Release:
Everybody imagined the S6 to be like that: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/3/38/20150721132405!GalaxyS6_Logo.Png
But Samsung made it like this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/GalaxyS6_Logo.Png
Ugly, no Features and a low amount of new features.
In 2011, we knew Samsung a different way. But in 2015, Samsung isn't Samsung anymore.
The fact, that my Nexus 7 had no MicroSD was a great torture for me.
I had to struggle with Space Storage etc. and i wished to have a Galaxy Note 8.
That time, i was lucky, that Samsung only made devices with MicroSD. But now?
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Also: Great thanks to @Neo3D and @xda rocks for their threads. And @hella356's idea for the -E Models.
and you, @bbbobbbo, you understand, why i truly hate Samsungs 2015 changes. I truly don't like, what Samsung did in 2015. And many other Samsuns costumers also don't.
Samsung shrinks the battery size just to make the device thinner and to look more stylish. But that's not important at all.
If you're in survival mode, battery size will be much more useful than a good design.
If you're alone in a dark wood with a Galaxy S6, your battery charge is 1% and you've got a second battery with 73% charge (but you can't insert it), then the good design of the S6 won't rescue you.
The S5 has a greater and removable battery, which is able to rescue you from there.
Also a Nokia 3310 would be better than a Galaxy S6 in this case.
See: http://forum.xda-developers.com/general/help/thickness-phone-to-batter-battery-life-t3133035
Here is the link to the thread, where you can hope the Note 5 to be better: http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/samsung-expandable-storage-removable-t3050516/
Thanks @Neo3D
AndroidSon said:
If they remove expandable storage, Note 4 will be my last Note.
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The Note-Smartphone must stay a business-smartphone, not an iPhone Phablet!
And for Business, you'll most likely need MHL, MicroSD and USB 3.0!
Come on,............. why ***** and moan when we all knew what 90+% of "features" and specs the device would be released with before purchase !! It is not "lucky dip", so if you bought the device without doing your homework or with full knowledge of imitations >> live with it or change it (software side) - if possible. That's what XDA-Developers is about
Let's contribute positively instead of breeding negativity >> or move on to a better suited device
Because, I certainly will build and release a custom kernel when source is released and of course, time permitting !!
UpInTheAir said:
Come on,............. why ***** and moan when we all knew what 90+% of "features" and specs the device would be released with before purchase !! It is not "lucky dip", so if you bought the device without doing your homework or with full knowledge of imitations >> live with it or change it (software side) - if possible. That's what XDA-Developers is about
Let's contribute positively instead of breeding negativity >> or move on to a better suited device
Because, I certainly will build and release a custom kernel when source is released and of course, time permitting !!
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We ***** and moan because it's our right to do so on a dedicated forum, for your info.
And i think you totally miss our point: it's NOT that we have actually purchased the device without knowing its specs, and now ***** about it, it is all about that we WILL NO LONGER purchase any other samsung note under current conditions, precisely because WE KNOW the crappy specs, trend and path samsung has decided to go down. It's sort of triggering an alarm bell, if you will.
And no custom kernel in the world will ever compensate for the missing hardware and sensors. They are just missing, end of story.
bbbobbbo said:
We ***** and moan because it's our right to do so on a dedicated forum, for your info.
And i think you totally miss our point: it's NOT that we have actually purchased the device without knowing its specs, and now ***** about it, it is all about that we WILL NO LONGER purchase any other samsung note under current conditions, precisely because WE KNOW the crappy specs, trend and path samsung has decided to go down. It's sort of triggering an alarm bell, if you will.
And no custom kernel in the world will ever compensate for the missing hardware and sensors. They are just missing, end of story.
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Stop whining, and get another phone. END OF STORY !! Who cares about your rant about "crappy" specs, we are proactive here in XDA and maintain a positive attitude rather than moan about a regretful purchase.
UpInTheAir said:
Stop whining, and get another phone. END OF STORY !! Who cares about your rant about "crappy" specs, we are proactive here in XDA and maintain a positive attitude rather than moan about a regretful purchase.
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Why don't you take your pro -activism and go troll somewhere else?
This thread has been specifically opened to WHINE about Note 5, so go open your own thread where you can show your Note 5 fanboys how proactive you are.
I kind of like my note 5 with an 8 core processor and 16mp camera. It's a very fast phone and lollipop 5.1.1 official is awesome. I'm no noob when it comes to running custom roms but I will be doing so as soon as one gets released. The only downfall on the note 5 is no hotspot toggle in settings on the sprint 64gb version. My girlfriend got the s6+edge gold on sprint and the hotspot feature is in settings :/
bbbobbbo said:
We ***** and moan because it's our right to do so on a dedicated forum, for your info.
And i think you totally miss our point: it's NOT that we have actually purchased the device without knowing its specs, and now ***** about it, it is all about that we WILL NO LONGER purchase any other samsung note under current conditions, precisely because WE KNOW the crappy specs, trend and path samsung has decided to go down. It's sort of triggering an alarm bell, if you will.
And no custom kernel in the world will ever compensate for the missing hardware and sensors. They are just missing, end of story.
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@UpInTheAir Yes, this thread is actually dedicated for that. Here, you can post your disappointments.
Samsung is the only Android phone manufacturer, which does not use those crappy virtual on-screen-keys. They suck and eat up 160 Pixels from the Screen.
But Project Zero does stop Samsungs phones to be unique.
ebs512 said:
I kind of like my note 5 with an 8 core processor and 16mp camera. It's a very fast phone and lollipop 5.1.1 official is awesome. I'm no noob when it comes to running custom roms but I will be doing so as soon as one gets released. The only downfall on the note 5 is no hotspot toggle in settings on the sprint 64gb version. My girlfriend got the s6+edge gold on sprint and the hotspot feature is in settings :/
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Yes. I would like Samsung to pack everything in the drop-down-menu like on the Note 3 and the S5. You can access the dropdown menu from everywhere…
bbbobbbo said:
No custom kernel in the world will ever compensate for the missing hardware and sensors. They are just missing, end of story.
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That is also 100% correct.
In my giant post in the Note 4 thread, i mentioned over 20 Missing Hardware Features of ProjectZero Phones and the Note 4.
It's impossible to make an app, which will add MHL or make Data Transfer as fast as the USB 3.0 from the Note 3 and the S5.
No app can measure the air temperature on the S6.
And no costum firmware ROM is able to make the S6 edge usable underwater. Only nanocoating does.
Is there any Application, which makes the S6 battery bigger?
Is there any Application, which makes you able to use MicroSD on the S6?
Is there any Application, which makes the Note 5 to use USB type C?
You want to present something on your Note 5. The TV does not support screen mirroring but has HDMI. Is there any app, which can help me there? The ProjectZero USB Port does not support MHL! It will destroy MHL!
Is there any Application to make EFUse revertable?
And is there any Application, which will make you able to listen to Radio on the Note 4, without using up Internet Traffic? (UKW-Radio does not require Internet Connection)
Is there any application, which can detect your finger, if you hover it over your touchscreen, without touching the screen itself?
S4: Yes
Note 3: Yes
Alpha: Yes.
But S6 and Note 5 are newer than Note 3. So they must have this feature, but they don't!
Is there any way to make the Note 5 to measure the humidity of the air?
Easy answer @UpInTheAir:
NO. There is no way.
I'm very sorry to say that, but Samsungs good times seem to be over.
@hella356 - Let's hope the -E models to have all sensors too.
@bbbobbbo: Your Posts were simply great. You know, what i mean :laugh:
UpInTheAir said:
Come on,............. why ***** and moan when we all knew what 90+% of "features" and specs the device would be released with before purchase !! It is not "lucky dip", so if you bought the device without doing your homework or with full knowledge of imitations >> live with it or change it (software side) - if possible. That's what XDA-Developers is about
Let's contribute positively instead of breeding negativity >> or move on to a better suited device
Because, I certainly will build and release a custom kernel when source is released and of course, time permitting !!
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Your comment makes no sense. If consumers did not demand what we want, then smartphones will still have 3.5" screens like Steve Jobs originally intended.
Also, demand is an important part of one of the foundations of capitalism which is: SUPPLY & DEMAND.
Lastly, how can your kernel make up for the loss of ability to add 128gb storage to phone? Are you going to use file compression on everything to squeeze more space out of it? Windows has this already and it runs SLOW AS HELL.
How can your kernel DOUBLE or TRIPLE the real battery life? A replaceable battery lets us DOUBLE and TRIPLE the battery life by swapping out batteries, which takes <20 seconds.
Thanks for contributing but your statements MAKE NO SENSE.
I intend to buy a Note 5.
After reading this post, I still want to buy it LOL
Neo3D said:
Your comment makes no sense. If consumers did not demand what we want, then smartphones will still have 3.5" screens like Steve Jobs originally intended.
Also, demand is an important part of one of the foundations of capitalism which is: SUPPLY & DEMAND.
Lastly, how can your kernel make up for the loss of ability to add 128gb storage to phone? Are you going to use file compression on everything to squeeze more space out of it? Windows has this already and it runs SLOW AS HELL.
How can your kernel DOUBLE or TRIPLE the real battery life? A replaceable battery lets us DOUBLE and TRIPLE the battery life by swapping out batteries, which takes <20 seconds.
Thanks for contributing but your statements MAKE NO SENSE.
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Please actually read my post. If you don't understand the gist, then don't bother replying......
I implied for users to be pro-active in things they actually CAN change (software). Obviously nothing can be done about hardware ......
I only commented about what I intend to do (as far as actually CONTRIBUTING TO XDA - instead of moaning which contribute NOTHING).
You know how many times I bricked my new device today,...... lost count. Was trying to port CF-AUTOROOT to our shiny new toy !! Just failed the last little bit on flash. Maybe the binary just doesn't work with 7420 5.1.1 yet or Sepolicy ?
Why knowingly buy a car with no wheels and complain when you can't go anywhere. Think about it :what:
Is the phone worth getting now or should i wait for the next gen? It is probably just a half year.
ond96 said:
Is the phone worth getting now or should i wait for the next gen? It is probably just a half year.
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If you can wait, I would recomend it. Too many problems.
To be honest, my device doesn't have 90% of the bugs reported in these forums. I probably have one of the newer stocks of the product. The only bug that i come across on a daily basis is the unstable face unlock. Have no over heating issues, stellar performance, manageable battery life (gotta be honest, not its strong point), fantastic camera (raw with gcam), super easy to mod
I'm totally in love with this phone. Hasn't let me down in any way. But yeah, if you're able to wait for the Mi A3 then that would be better. But if you want something now, this device is worth the money. If android one isn't your prime focus then check out the redmi 7
If you want nice custom ROMs buy Mi A2, because you must wait a lot of time after Mi A3 released for TWRP and etc ...!!
I have mi a1 and mi a2, so far both phones had zero issues whatsoever, none of the bugs reported here. To be fair I'd go for the mi a2 it is a great phone, and I love it.
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jaycedam said:
If you can wait, I would recomend it. Too many problems.
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Too many bugs you expireanced your self, or to many bugs yeah heard some one that heard some one that had a friend who had another friend who possibly had the phone that might have had or might have had not any bugs?
I don't have any issue with my Mi A2, I am using stock Pie, not unlocked, not rooted. . . everything is working normal, just notification led is laggy and laggy animations when live wallpapers applied, but better buy Mi A3 xD
mi a3 is probly coming just in the autumn this year, so no probably not worth the wait. if you want a xiaomi with android one the a2 is your best bet. like others said, if you want a miui xiaomi you can find better options at the same price (poco f1, redmi notes), if you're willing to spend more look also at the nokias with android one.
I really like this phone and have zero issues with it. waiting will take 6+ months
remember that the problems reported here are specially amplified when compared with how many units xiaomi sold, and really small for all the leechers inthis forum
however, I also have the a2-nokia-equivalent, the nokia 7 plus. if you can afford the difference go for it. it has camera2api and volte enabled by default. it also has widevide l1 codec and better build quality. the update to the pie also arrived a lot faster.
tixoo said:
I have mi a1 and mi a2, so far both phones had zero issues whatsoever, none of the bugs reported here. To be fair I'd go for the mi a2 it is a great phone, and I love it.
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Too many bugs you expireanced your self, or to many bugs yeah heard some one that heard some one that had a friend who had another friend who possibly had the phone that might have had or might have had not any bugs?
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+1 :good:
ond96 said:
Is the phone worth getting now or should i wait for the next gen? It is probably just a half year.
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The Support and Development community for this device has been superb. The members here on XDA have really gone all out to make up for Xiaomi's shortcomings.
So if you can get one relatively inexpensive, go for it.
If you are willing, have patience and know how to deal with custom roms - yeah, it's a gr8 device with some issues (I don't like the vibration motor, lol)
If you want to buy it just for the official "very vell supported" android one experience - forget it... and in my opinion - forget about MI3. Buy Pixel or at least Nokia.
Now I'm rocking AOSP Extended ROM + Gcam + Lawnchair V2 Alpha + QuickSwitch Magisk Module. And device feels very smooth.
Also we just got Ressurection Remix 7.0, so I'm keeping an eye on it. ROM support is awesome here, and it keeps coming.
But... on custom ROM I haven't found a way to get a stable camera yet...
I used MI Cam, Gcam - and they have bugs... None of them support 60 FPS + EIS recording.
This is nr. 1 thing that's missing for me right now... normal bugless camera.
So yeah... it depends dude...
On thursday my Redmi 3s stopped working, i just could not power it on, so i have decided to buy a new phone, i was considering either Mi A2 or ASUS Max pro M1. This one won because better camera and Android one. I am planning to stay in stock ROM at least for a year because of the warranty, i guess this is gonna be a huge difference to previous Havoc OS.
ond96 said:
On thursday my Redmi 3s stopped working, i just could not power it on, so i have decided to buy a new phone, i was considering either Mi A2 or ASUS Max pro M1. This one won because better camera and Android one. I am planning to stay in stock ROM at least for a year because of the warranty, i guess this is gonna be a huge difference to previous Havoc OS.
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it's an easier switch compared to say... miui to android one.
i've switched to the a2 from a mido with official lineage and while i missed some things i have to say it was a pretty easy adjustment. and stock is stock. it just works.
ond96 said:
Is the phone worth getting now or should i wait for the next gen? It is probably just a half year.
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Here are my 2 rupees :laugh: and a bit of a rant which I hope clears your doubts:
I used A1 and currently using A2 with buyer's remorse (should have bought Nokia). I got both these devices for the clean Android experience and it is not turning out to be the case. A2 now has MIUI like "about phone" setting at the top in settings. There is no clear rules on how Google decides which phone will become an Android One phone. I am starting to think that this Android one project is just for the name sake, I don't see any google's direct involvement in this project, we can argue that google makes the builds and vendors just add their features but again doesn't every other manufacturer does that like Samsung and LG, they take the AOSP builds and tweak them as per their requirements (correct me if I am wrong). Monthly security patches are mandatory by google but not every manufacturer follows it. To sum it up Android One is no longer that essential or a distinctive "feature", it is a package that gives you monthly security updates and new version upgrades.
This "A" series now seems to be an upper mid-range or lower high-end one and with A2's price and chipset, it is clear that Xiaomi is starting to charge a bit of a premium (cameras are really average), so why not also wait for Google's new Pixel lite? The price will be higher but you will have developers support like anything else. A2 doesn't even have an official twrp and the developer support seems scarce to say the least. On that note, if you want custom ROM support, wait a few months after the launch, if lot of people buy it then developers will support it, A2 got shadowed by Poco (Xiaomi gave F1s to developers for free to develop ROMs for it.). A1's development got gradually better over time because it didn't had any incident like that.
The current problems with A2: Slow emmc, No camera2api support (Even nokia's, cheaper than A2, 6.1 plus has it), mono audio recording, no arcore, low headphone volume like really low, Xiaomi's freedom of changing UI interface (Android One's ambiguity), average cameras, proximity sensor, smaller battery.
If every problem is fixed in A3 i'll also buy it, heck even if they kept the same cameras and enabled cam2 api it'll be enough to give me freedom to use other camera apps like google's tweaked camera or manual camera for better utilization of camera. If they fix everything I'll also get A3 if they don't i'll look for other options and certainly not buy A2 right now
ond96 said:
Is the phone worth getting now or should i wait for the next gen? It is probably just a half year.
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it's not just half year, realistically you can probly find the a3 for sale at a decent price only in autumn. a1 launched in september 2017, a2 launched late summer, they both had normal pricing and availability just in late late autumn more like holiday season. as others pointed out, the a2-s worse nightmare was nokia and the poco f1. chances are a3 will face the same fierce competition in the form of the future f2 and whatever nokia has to say.
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it's not just half year, realistically you can probly find the a3 for sale at a decent price only in autumn. a1 launched in september 2017, a2 launched late summer, they both had normal pricing and availability just in late late autumn more like holiday season. as others pointed out, the a2-s worse nightmare was nokia and the poco f1. chances are a3 will face the same fierce competition in the form of the future f2 and whatever nokia has to say.
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actually this is a good point, the best that would convince me that waiting is not worth it
A2 128GB (which i have bought currently, cuz no SD slot) was at good price about a month before christmas.
so yeah, i would actually wait almost a year
how is xiaomi vs samsung in pushing new updates?how often?
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Samsung wins hands down for me ! Regular (monthly) updates, always latest security patches....
s3axel said:
Samsung wins hands down for me ! Regular (monthly) updates, always latest security patches....
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im asking that for my Deliberation - which phone to buy - ultra 21 or mi 11 pro
Ultra 21 as Mi 11 has default hard coded Google dialer which is ugly and not very user friendly, a total deal breaker for me.
But if you have patience to go with 1) boot locker unblocking 2) Change recovery 3) Download and instal EU Rom 4) Restore your apps and data then you can choose Mi 11.
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Ultra 21 as Mi 11 has default hard coded Google dialer which is ugly and not very user friendly, a total deal breaker for me....
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Hmmm, isnt it Samsung Dialer on the S21U ?...well, anyhow, you can change the default dialer (I'm using True Phone for some time now)...
I am not sure about usefulness of samsung dialer or true dialer but missing Miui dialer a lot.
xiaomi is useless at updates, flagships get a bit better treatment but montly patches, no never.
they couldnt deliver security patches even on android one devices. they are/were always late, and they even skiped a few months.
the only way to get a decent rom is with unlock/customs.
so , maybe oneplus 9 pro will do better jobe in all aspects including updates?
Updates are way overrated. They can and do break phones.
The 21U has a big price tag and no SD card slot.
Running Android 11 and that OS is less than stellar. I'm not impressed.
There's also owners experiencing the display dying, just goes black. Their are a couple XDA members that had it happen.
A used Note 10+/Pie* or a Note 20U/Q* are better phones in my opinion. It will be the next major release that holds any hope and that maybe influenced by the chipset availability or lack of.
I'm seriously considering buying another 10+, well built, fast, stable and a lot less issues with hardware and the bloody OS. It's a solid performer with a drop dead gorgeous square corner display. Running at 60hz but no tint or brightness issues; colors and gamma are excellent.
*Snapdragon variant, if you want to root maybe not a good choice, otherwise the best chipset
mmns said:
how is xiaomi vs samsung in pushing new updates?how often?
thnx
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I have had Xiaomi Mi 11 ultra for more than 3 weeks now. It is my first Xiaomi device ever, so I can't comment on it's update frequency or quality. However, I have had quite a long experience with Samsung flagship smartphones since 2010. Of late Samsung has really improved their software update frequency and quality.
I have S21 ultra 16/512 GB sitting iny drawer for past 3 weeks as I wanted to give Mi 11 ultra a try for its camera.
My observations:
1. Camera - Still and Videos - Mi 11 ultra is better overall. S21 ultra is not bad at all though, with very consistent output in all conditions.
2. Display - S21 ultra has slight edge as it seems a notch brighter under sunlight. Quality wise I would say both are neck to neck.
3. Battery - Mi 11 ultra seems to have better battery backup (with similar settings), especially the standby drain with 4G data on all the time. Also, the charging is much faster on Mi 11 ultra.
4. Design & Build quality - Personal preference. Tie IMO. Xiaomi has really made a premium flagship this time. I mean the Mi 11 ultra doesn't even have any percievable panel gaps like S21 ultra!
5. Audio - Mi 11 ultra has better sounding stereo speakers IMO (better lows). Sound via galaxy buds live is similar on both.
6. Performance - Snapdragon 888 powered Mi 11 ultra is better than Exynos S21 ultra for gaming and media editing apps.
7. UI - Samsung's one UI is better IMO with lesser hard-coded junk (at least you don't need a third party app to disable Google apps on Samsung)! I might have a bias here, as I'm used to Samsung UI for years.
8. Extra features - S21 ultra has S pen support. Mi 11 ultra has IR blaster, Heart rate sensor and a 55W charger included. Also, the option for higher storage (512 GB) is there in S21 ultra, if you want.
Conclusion - I'm honestly blown away with the quality Xiaomi is offering for the price of 70k INR! I honestly bought it to break Samsung monotony in my smartphone upgrades, and I think I will keep it untill Samsung lures me back with something better in future.
P.S - OnePlus 9 pro is not in the same league as the the other two IMO!
well yes, xiaomi does make good hardware. software not so much.
if you check out their own c.mi.com forums, there are countless users complaining, they just dont care. there's 0 trnsparency about which devices are maintained and which they've abandoned, you dont know when you buy one how long they'll "support" it. it's like they have no interest in support. a lot of the guides and fixes end up being found and shared by end users. the few bug they do achnowlwdge are just being trown around between google's fault, qualcomm's fault, and we need more data, we released a fix maybe it will work... it woukd be funny if it wouldnt be about actual problems. they have a habbit of breaking ota updates on stock phones, simply by missmatching release targets. yes, im not kidding. they invented the concept of stable beta releases. where they beta test updates on random users. honestly where with oems you want them to release a patch, with xiaomi you wonder if you should risk installing it in case they found some new and improved way to break your phone.
funny thing is a lot of devices get a lot more fixed on their custom roms. countless devices that they reported nonono we cannot upgrade it to android 10, the hardware is not compatible. guess what the custom roms did it the next day.
at least for now they let users unlock their bootloaders (even if the process is broken af) and lately they provide kernel source codes, even if they always forget to keep them up to date.
it is what it is, ive learnt my lessons the hard way, only getting their phones after i see custom roms and treat them as hardware vendors.
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well yes, xiaomi does make good hardware. software not so much.
if you check out their own c.mi.com forums, there are countless users complaining, they just dont care. there's 0 trnsparency about which devices are maintained and which they've abandoned, you dont know when you buy one how long they'll "support" it. it's like they have no interest in support. a lot of the guides and fixes end up being found and shared by end users. the few bug they do achnowlwdge are just being trown around between google's fault, qualcomm's fault, and we need more data, we released a fix maybe it will work... it woukd be funny if it wouldnt be about actual problems. they have a habbit of breaking ota updates on stock phones, simply by missmatching release targets. yes, im not kidding. they invented the concept of stable beta releases. where they beta test updates on random users. honestly where with oems you want them to release a patch, with xiaomi you wonder if you should risk installing it in case they found some new and improved way to break your phone.
funny thing is a lot of devices get a lot more fixed on their custom roms. countless devices that they reported nonono we cannot upgrade it to android 10, the hardware is not compatible. guess what the custom roms did it the next day.
at least for now they let users unlock their bootloaders (even if the process is broken af) and lately they provide kernel source codes, even if they always forget to keep them up to date.
it is what it is, ive learnt my lessons the hard way, only getting their phones after i see custom roms and treat them as hardware vendors.
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I have zero confidence in Chinese products especially in sophisticated electronics. The CCP is omnipresent in Chinese manufacturing and culture. Expect hardware, firmware and software backdoors and/or spyware.
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I have zero confidence in Chinese products especially in sophisticated electronics. The CCP is omnipresent in Chinese manufacturing and culture. Expect hardware, firmware and software backdoors and/or spyware.
Actions have consequences...
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well... tough... almost everything's made over there.
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well... tough... almost everything's made over there.
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No, not true... and it's a lick on you. Samsung ie SK is a US ally.
One of the reasons I'll never buy a iPhone... they CCP sweatshops.
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im asking that for my Deliberation - which phone to buy - ultra 21 or mi 11 pro
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I personally prefer the Mi 11 Ultra to s21 Ultra, but the S21 is better than the 11 Pro, although the 11 Pro is no slouch and considerably cheaper.
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No, not true... and it's a lick on you. Samsung ie SK is a US ally.
One of the reasons I'll never buy a iPhone... they CCP sweatshops.
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Not entirely accurate my friend. https://techthelead.com/where-are-samsung-phones-made/
Here's from SamMobile https://www.sammobile.com/where-are-samsung-phones-made
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Not entirely accurate my friend. https://techthelead.com/where-are-samsung-phones-made/
Here's from SamMobile https://www.sammobile.com/where-are-samsung-phones-made
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Yeah I was thinking about that.
Hard to get around that for now. That may soon change. Being too dependent on global suppliers is a huge weakness.
The irony is this isn't a raw material but a manufacturing process that can be done anywhere.
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Don't count on that. You'll get one year of monthly security patches, one or two somewhat big updates and the next Android 12. Android 13 is questionable. I had the similar experience with my Oneplus 7T Pro - got only mothly security updates. It was supposed to get Adroid 12, but last i heard that it may never happen. And it got updated to Android 11 try to guess when - the day before the launch of Oneplus 9 end of march 2021 - three months after everyone else updated their flagships and half of midrangers to Android 11. Forget the promise about 3 years of software updates - 18 months is the top nowadays with Oneplus. And seeing how they are focused on their Nord devices that might be their last flagship. There's more money in midrangers.
So apparently /e/OS has an official build for the ROG Phone 2
Info about Asus ROG Phone 2 (ZS660KL) - I001D
doc.e.foundation
I'm thinking about buying the device specifically for /e/OS. However, I can't find literally a single mention of it used or if there are any issues with it or anything. Was wondering if anyone had tested it and if they had, what issues they'd ran into (if any)?
i don't know if you looked at other custom roms for our phone. they are all pretty much the same at their core. same is with /e/OS.
from what i've read about it, it's privacy focused fork of AOSP/Lineage OS that doesn't use google services but microG.
another thing worth considering is how much you use rog phone specific features. like for example air triggers, glowing LED rog logo on the back, dual vibration motors and such. because probably most of those features won't be supported on this custom rom. which to me is a downgrade from original software.
if you just want android without google services, there is a way of doing so without going to custom rom.
and nobody can give me "i bought it for stereo speakers/big battery/no notch screen" talk, because you can buy yourself oneplus 7t pro (hell, even oneplus 7 pro will do good) which has better quality stereo speakers, screen on time that's nearly the same as on rog phone (especially considering how bad some people have it on a10), no notch, and **** ton of custom roms/kernels that will give you up to 13 hours of screen on time. did i mention better cameras? yeah, that too. and all that in slimmer, nearly bezel less design. okay, screen refresh rate is "only" 90hz.
small edit: oneplus 7 pro has better speakers than oneplus 7t pro. i expected them to be the same but after checking reviews they proved me wrong
I'm very aware of what /e/OS is, what microG is, and what alternatives there are.
I know the ROM will remove ROG-specific features, and I'm totally okay with that. I don't have any intention of utilizing any of those features even if it were stock.
In general, I'm not looking for phone purchasing guidance, simply feedback on how that ROM in particular functions on this device. Every device I've ever run into custom ROMs with has had _some_ issues from ROM to ROM (that's juist the nature of development)
In particular, just some of the issues that seem to be common in this devices' ROMs are:
- Aux cam doesnt show up on asuscam but on gcam works fine
- FOD overlaps pattern on reboot
- SafetyNet fails without root
- 30W charger shows incorrect info on LS (Thanks to Asus Charger!).
While none of these issues are dealbreakers for me, I would like to make sure that the issues with the /e/OS build in particular had any additions from this
i know you don't look for phone purchasing guide, but there is always that one guy that will start telling everybody how this phone has some regular features that other phones don't have and that's why he bought it. not because of airtriggers or armoury crate. just wanted to address that.
now, back to the business.
as /e/OS is based on Lineage OS build for our phone, you can expect the same issues as in that build
MIC Quality is really horrible. Finally found a direct comparison, side by side in a single video. Start watching from 5:34 mins. Compared to Iqoo.
here is another comparison:
It's a software problem, let's hope realme fixes it. Maybe next year...
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It's a software problem, let's hope realme fixes it. Maybe next year...
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Haha. Next year!? Its better i wait for other phone launches then
Funny but it's the truth sadly.
Giving realme promised 4 years of updates for the flagship series and it's still on February update you can see where this is going.
My first realme phone but I'm not totally happy.
The screen issue, lack of updates and support and a few bugs.
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Funny but it's the truth sadly.
Giving realme promised 4 years of updates for the flagship series and it's still on February update you can see where this is going.
My first realme phone but I'm not totally happy.
The screen issue, lack of updates and support and a few bugs.
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You are right. Its a brand new phone. Now itself, they are not providing security patch update. 4 years seems like a prank from them. I was waiting for Xiaomi 12X. But no announcement from the brand, of when it will come. So started looking into these two, GT 2 and Neo 3. Guess i ll go with Neo 3 for now. Better screen and better mic quality.
Haha I just read your comment and got a notification of an update.
Seems like they heard me.
But looks like it's still Feb patch.
A.16
Security
● Integrates the February 2022 Android security patch.
Network
● Fixes some network problems.
System
● Fixes some known issues to improve system stability.
I wish they fixed the screen brightness so it doesn't turn all the way down making too dark.
And the eye Confort mode only activates when you push the notification bar down, same to deactivate.
Hopefully the neo 3 is a better model although it shouldn't be since the GT series is the flagship.
But why you say the screen is better? Is it not the same Samsung amoled e4 panel?
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Haha I just read your comment and got a notification of an update.
Seems like they heard me.
But looks like it's still Feb patch.
A.16
Security
● Integrates the February 2022 Android security patch.
Network
● Fixes some network problems.
System
● Fixes some known issues to improve system stability.
I wish they fixed the screen brightness so it doesn't turn all the way down making too dark.
And the eye Confort mode only activates when you push the notification bar down, same to deactivate.
Hopefully the neo 3 is a better model although it shouldn't be since the GT series is the flagship.
But why you say the screen is better? Is it not the same Samsung amoled e4 panel?
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Nice! Could you please check the Mic Quality after the Update!!?? Talking about display, its cheaper E4 amoled. There are multiple qualities in E4 amoled. Colour accuracy is not that good in the Realme. They have used same GT NEO 2 screen in this. You can see their specs too. No mention of JNCD.
Neo 3 has Tianma screen with JNCD around 0.5. GT 2 Pro has samsung screen with JNCD around 0.6.
Also talking about Launch, GT 2 was silently launched. Neo 3 Launch has been hyped up more than GT 2 Pro!! Multiple promotional videos made on GT Neo 3!
Why the hell have they not given April Security Patch in the latest update!? This is just too much. Its a new device. So much ignorance from now only.
Hmm, I see.
Well I just did a quick test and it sounds as sh** as before or even worse atleast in video recording.
Since I rarely record video on the phone I just tried one time when I got it but didn't think it was this bad holy sh**.
I wish it showed the microphone model used on those device info apps to see if its the same as on GT 2 pro and neo 2.
Yeah it's weird and they say integrated Feb security patch as if before it was January or something like that. It's been Feb patch since the launch of the phone.
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Hmm, I see.
Well I just did a quick test and it sounds as sh** as before or even worse atleast in video recording.
Since I rarely record video on the phone I just tried one time when I got it but didn't think it was this bad holy sh**.
I wish it showed the microphone model used on those device info apps to see if its the same as on GT 2 pro and neo 2.
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Neo 2 has better mic. This ****ty mic issue is happening only in GT 2 and GT 2 Pro. Hopefully, atleast your calls are clear. Some were saying even calls are little muffled. The other person will not be hearing your voice clearly itseems, compared to when called by other phones.
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Yeah it's weird and they say integrated Feb security patch as if before it was January or something like that. It's been Feb patch since the launch of the phone.
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You know what? Neo 3 has got 3 updates within April itself in China. 3 freaking updates!
Source: https://www.rmupdate.com/2022/04/27/realme-gt-neo3-software-update/
Read the changelogs. They have been doing meaningful bug fixes and enhancements.
I don't know what type of 4D chess strategy is Realme thinking.
Wow I'm astonished. That's what I call good software support, that's what I would hope to get for paying such money for a phone.
Seems like we in Europe are treated as 2nd class customers.
It's gonna be my first and last realme.
About the voice quality in calls no one complained and to be honest even an iPhone 13 pro max sounds muffled.
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Wow I'm astonished. That's what I call good software support, that's what I would hope to get for paying such money for a phone.
Seems like we in Europe are treated as 2nd class customers.
It's gonna be my first and last realme.
About the voice quality in calls no one complained and to be honest even an iPhone 13 pro max sounds muffled.
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See the changelogs itself, attracts me to buy Neo 3. Hopefully Realme fixes the issues on GT 2 also.
Yes I read it.
But that's on China judging from the support for GT 2 series I think neo 3 is gonna get the same treatment on Europe.
Unless you import it of course .
apsol said:
Yes I read it.
But that's on China judging from the support for GT 2 series I think neo 3 is gonna get the same treatment on Europe.
Unless you import it of course .
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I don't think so. I do agree that China version and Global version are different. But if they have put efforts to fix bugs in China rom, they can easily migrate that patch to global rom too. I have seen this happening for Xiaomi devices. Global gets same patches after a couple of months.