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im a happy nexus 7 owner but im wondering how i can protect my nexus private data or even FB or TW from other people, in my phone i use avast so i can "delete" all data by sms, but i cant do this on my nexus, i was thinking use "pattern" or pin unlock screen, but its annoying doing this on every time i want unlock my screen, i was thinking on apps that put password on selected apps, but again maybe this could be annoying, and maybe someone with a little skill can use ADB or uninstall TB and re install and delete "data" from the app who its protecting (im rooted) so im wondering its other way to protect my nexus 7? i guess this are the best but im wondering if its other way that i didint know.
Thanks
Cerberus app
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ateebtk said:
Cerberus app
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+1 for Cerberus.
I use it on my nexus 7 and my att Samsung galaxy s ii. It can remotely wipe your device, lock it, track it via GPS even if you don't have GPS on, set off alarms, take pictures and video from the camera, and many other things. It is 110% worth it. I recommend it highly.
patriot720 said:
+1 for Cerberus.
I use it on my nexus 7 and my att Samsung galaxy s ii. It can remotely wipe your device, lock it, track it via GPS even if you don't have GPS on, set off alarms, take pictures and video from the camera, and many other things. It is 110% worth it. I recommend it highly.
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Any noticeable effects on performance and battery life?
Lookout App.
Cerberus is a life saver! When both my Galaxy Nexus and my wallet were stolen in a restaurant I could track my mobile using a friend's phone within 2 mins after noticing the theft. I directed the police to the shop based on Cerberus' tracking and eventually got both my mobile and my wallet back within 15 mins after the call.
The issue with tracking a tablet without 3G is that you will only see it once it's logged into a wireless network rather than on the go. You'd also need to activate a pin which could be deactivated at home by an app like Tasker.
I suggest you also use Avast to scan for malware and as second protection which could survive a factory reset but not a new rom.
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Yeah I'm testing thanks I will check seems kind of better than avast, not sure if this app will survive to factory reset, custom recovery should have password or something xD the bad it's nexus 7 doesn't had 3g u.u oh well thanks all
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zen kun said:
i was thinking use "pattern" or pin unlock screen, but its annoying doing this on every time i want unlock my screen
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Protection is sometimes not convenient, but if you don't have a code lock your device is wide open to whom ever picks it up.
Pattern or Pin Lock
When I am out, I use a pattern lock on all devices. If I am home for the weekend, I turn it off however it is turned back on before I leave the house.
Cerberus
I use this on my Nexus and it works good. You do need to have a WiFi connection which limits it greatly since I never allow my device to connect to a public WiFi... but with the lock out, 5 tries and the device locks.
Backups
While the data is fairly secure, losing the data and even perhaps more important the time and effort setting up the device in the first place, means that using a good backup and having that available OFF the device so that if it is lost/stolen/destroyed, I can simply re-root and then restore and have it back to where I was when the backup was made. I do full backups every Sun.. and other occasionally when I make big changes.
Two Factor Authentication
When Possible, use 2-Factor authentication. If you not using it, you should look into it.
Check out the app Android Lost on the play store.
It securely links with your gmail account and does not do any polling to servers so it saves your battery.
When you lose your phone it allows you to do many many things such as activate an alarm, track using gps or wifi, take a picture with the front or rear camera, wipe the phone or lock it and many more features. All remotely.
Best part is its free and has a minimal footprint on device.
Check it out!
Run L1ke H3LL said:
Check out the app Android Lost on the play store.
It securely links with your gmail account and does not do any polling to servers so it saves your battery.
When you lose your phone it allows you to do many many things such as activate an alarm, track using gps or wifi, take a picture with the front or rear camera, wipe the phone or lock it and many more features. All remotely.
Best part is its free and has a minimal footprint on device.
Check it out!
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The Nexus 7 is not a phone, so it doesn't by default it doesn't have SMS, it by itself has no 3G/4G communications. The only way you can talk to it is via WiFi.
I use Android Lost on all my phones... but since my phone uses the same same gmail account, it can't control the Nexus, hence the use of Cerberus.
is cerberus better than where's my droid?
krelvinaz said:
The Nexus 7 is not a phone, so it doesn't by default it doesn't have SMS, it by itself has no 3G/4G communications. The only way you can talk to it is via WiFi.
I use Android Lost on all my phones... but since my phone uses the same same gmail account, it can't control the Nexus, hence the use of Cerberus.
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I use my Nexus tethered to my phone so it uses WiFi. I suppose if I lost it would still connect to the WiFi networks in my area and I could locate it by those methods. My cable company provides public WiFi which is ubiquitous so 90% of the time if I'm not tethered I have data.
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hoponpop said:
is cerberus better than where's my droid?
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Much better.
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nyijedi said:
Any noticeable effects on performance and battery life?
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None at all.
If u really want to protect ur data, I suggest don't root the device and encrypt the entire tablet. Then set up a PIN to unlock. Security often means you have to give up some convenience at times but the reward is satisfying.
Also like some one already suggested use 2-factor auth for FB and make sure u deprovision the tablet account when u find it lost or stolen.
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I use seek droid for my phones, but purchased cerberus with my gift moolah and am happy with its performance and have also installed it on my Acer a500. The Developer is active with the community and has beta releases that fix some of the JB bugs.
So how secure is the Cerberus site? What's the dev's credentials in IT security? Is he just some dude with an app?
In signing up for this, you're putting the ability to remote-wipe/track/spy your online life into some dude's hands. You're paying him 3 bucks and hope he can keep it secure. Can he? In mitigating one risk (device theft), you're incurring a new risk of having your device remote wiped, or being spied upon, if the site gets hacked. Good trade-off?
With a one-time fee of $3, I don't see that much incentive for the dev to continuously maintain security, assuming he even has the expertise. It's his hobby, not his livelihood.
From a cursory inspection of the Cerberus site and its support forum, I don't see the word "security" or "2-factor authentication" anywhere.
Ditto SeekDroid or any similar app.
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So how secure is the Cerberus site? What's the dev's credentials in IT security? Is he just some dude with an app?
In signing up for this, you're putting the ability to remote-wipe/track/spy your online life into some dude's hands. You're paying him 3 bucks and hope he can keep it secure. Can he? In mitigating one risk (device theft), you're incurring a new risk of having your device remote wiped, or being spied upon, if the site gets hacked. Good trade-off?
With a one-time fee of $3, I don't see that much incentive for the dev to continuously maintain security, assuming he even has the expertise. It's his hobby, not his livelihood.
From a cursory inspection of the Cerberus site and its support forum, I don't see the word "security" or "2-factor authentication" anywhere.
Ditto SeekDroid or any similar app.
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Have to somewhat agree with the sentiment here.. that said, I'm presently using the Cerberus demo on my N7 and it appears quit good.... would prefer this to have been a mainstream vendor product ....
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Seek droid, and I think I only paid $.99
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They have some really good reviews on their web site. And from very qualified sources,check it out. I just installed Cerberus and tested out great.
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>They have some really good reviews on their web site. And from very qualified sources,check it out. I just installed Cerberus and tested out great.
Yes, very qualified. Hahah.
Here's a "review" maybe you should read. It's by Cerberus itself (emphasis added). Welcome to spyware.
https://www.cerberusapp.com/privacy.php
THE INFORMATION LSDROID COLLECTS
REGISTRATION INFORMATION: You provide to LSDroid certain personally-identifiable information (such as device ID number, wireless operator / operator, your name, email address, etc.) when choosing to subscribe to the LSDroid Services.
LOCATION INFORMATION: To provide the LSDroid Services, we derive location information from your wireless operator, certain third-party service providers, or directly from the mobile device that you used to register with the LSDroid Services. This location tracking of your mobile device may occur even when the LSDroid Services mobile application is not actively open and running, but your location is being securely transmitted and logged in accordance with your privacy and opt-in settings.
COOKIES, PERSISTENT FILE INFORMATION: When you use the LSDroid Services, we may send one or more cookies (small text files containing a string of alphanumeric characters) to your computer. LSDroid may use both session cookies and persistent cookies. A session cookie disappears after you close your browser. A persistent cookie remains after you close your web browser and may be used by us during your subsequent visits to the LSDroid Web site. Persistent cookies set by the LSDroid Web site can be removed. Please review your web browser "Help" file to learn the proper way to modify your cookie settings.
LOG FILE INFORMATION: When you use the LSDroid Services, our servers automatically record certain information about your usage from your mobile device and web browser. These server securely logs may include information such as a mobile device identification number and device identifier, web requests, Internet Protocol ("IP") address, browser type, browser language, referring / exit pages and URLs, platform type, number of clicks, domain names, landing pages, pages viewed and the order of those pages, features used in the LSDroid mobile application, the amount of time spent on particular web pages, the dates and times of your requests, and one or more cookies that may uniquely identify your browser.
This is not acceptable.
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Chris Moore, the owner of a UK-based security and tech blog, recently published an article demonstrating that OnePlus has been gathering his personal information and transmitting them without his permission. He noticed an unfamiliar domain while completing the SANS Holiday Hack Challenge and decided to further examine it. He found that the domain – open.oneplus.net – had essentially been collecting his private device and user data and transmitting them to an Amazon AWS instance, all without his permission.
The data that OnePlus is accessing ranges from device information like the phone’s IMEI, serial number, cellular number, MAC address, mobile network name, IMSI prefix, and wireless network ESSID and BSSID to user data like reboot, charging, screen timestamps as well as application timestamps.
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Potinial Fix
Moore states that the code responsible for this data collection is part of the OnePlus Device Manager and OnePlus Device Manager Provider. Fortunately, Jakub Czekanski claims that despite their being a system service, they can be permanently disabled through replacing net.oneplus.odm for pkg via ADB or through running this command: pm uninstall -k –user 0 pkg
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http://www.androidauthority.com/oneplus-collecting-user-data-without-permission-806579/
theduke7 said:
This is not acceptable.
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Potinial Fix
http://www.androidauthority.com/oneplus-collecting-user-data-without-permission-806579/
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It's a breach of privacy if it's not something we agree'd to in the TnC's and a few people are saying it's the toggle under settings that you can opt out with so that's nothing if that's the case. But this info they're logging is not personal and means nothing to average users just device info what every OEM logs in their OS.
If you are worried about privacy maybe time to switch to iOS. Google is the worst every app is logging some kind of data
This is something not acceptable if it's true https://plus.google.com/102612254593917101378/posts/BU2aNCfBNEo
This is nothing mate , if you worry about that I guess that you don't have Facebook? Or you don't use Google service? All company are getting your data and you don' t even know, but there is worse than just getting information of "phone lock", "phone unlock "
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It's a breach of privacy if it's not something we agree'd to in the TnC's and a few people are saying it's the toggle under settings that you can opt out with so that's nothing if that's the case. But this info they're logging is not personal and means nothing to average users just device info what every OEM logs in their OS.
If you are worried about privacy maybe time to switch to iOS. Google is the worst every app is logging some kind of data
This is something not acceptable if it's true https://plus.google.com/102612254593917101378/posts/BU2aNCfBNEo
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according to the article it's not the toggle controlled User Experience in Advanced settings, i understand that even google collects data (and even Apple fyi) , but the point is it's without permission, Google asks on every new setup if it can , even when you install a Google app like Gboard, it asks if you want to share info, and in their setting there's always a toggle to opt-out... this on the other hand seems to be a hidden service , why hide something if it's collecting standard data everybody else is collecting and why not provide an opt-out option?
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This is nothing mate , if you worry about that I guess that you don't have Facebook? Or you don't use Google service? All company are getting your data and you don' t even know, but there is worse than just getting information of "phone lock", "phone unlock "
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i either debloat those or use clean alternatives or delete any concerning risk... again Google gives you the option to opt-out , this doesn't, and this is the difference, and we can't make excuses for such behavior because it enables them to continue doing it.
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according to the article it's not the toggle controlled User Experience in Advanced settings, i understand that even google collects data (and even Apple fyi) , but the point is it's without permission, Google asks on every new setup if it can , even when you install a Google app like Gboard, it asks if you want to share info, and in their setting there's always a toggle to opt-out... this on the other hand seems to be a hidden service , why hide something if it's collecting standard data everybody else is collecting and why not provide an opt-out option?
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HTC collects the same kind of data as OnePlus their is no opt in or out. You agree to it in the Terms and Conditions when you buy the device and It's probably the case here and the case with many products and services. If you are really worried or pi*sed off about it happening read the TnC's before you agree to a purchasing a product or a service
I'm going with what the people are saying in advanced settings that is the opt out. No other reason for that to be there and in Open beta you can opt out of that in setup of the phone not sure if the case in stable. I run custom rom
I don't see 'oneplus device manager' anywhere on my op3. The article also states that he found that on an op2.
Do we even have to be concerned?
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HTC collects the same kind of data as OnePlus their is no opt in or out. You agree to it in the Terms and Conditions when you buy the device and It's probably the case here and the case with many products and services. If you are really worried or pi*sed off about it happening read the TnC's before you agree to a purchasing a product or a service
I'm going with what the people are saying in advanced settings that is the opt out. No other reason for that to be there and in Open beta you can opt out of that in setup of the phone not sure if the case in stable. I run custom rom
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that's why i didn't buy an HTC... and if it was something in t&c OnePlus would've said so...
it's not the one in advanced settings, that was the point of the article, and the testing was done by a security company, again, the fact that some companies collect data without permission doesn't mean we should accept it.
people don't use a lot of Chinese rooting apps for the exact same reason, the difference being those apps are from unknown companies or groups, so what you're saying is as long as those collecting data are big players it's OK!
we can't get even the minimal amount of privacy just accepting every violation as OK... for myself, i know how to disable or delete those, and it's the 1st thing i do if i'm on a stock rom (as i do with Windows 10), but that shouldn't be the case, people shouldn't be concerned about their personal info collected and used behind their backs.
sicHiRsch said:
I don't see 'oneplus device manager' anywhere on my op3. The article also states that he found that on an op2.
Do we even have to be concerned?
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if you run the command given on ADB it'll uninstall something (then reboot the device) , it uninstalls a package of services related to that...
it's not there on device manager because they hid it.
The reality is, we are living in a world where "privacy" is a joke and every OEM is tracking and logging data no matter even you are using Samsung or HTC or LG. Atleast OP accepted that they are collecting.
It's sad to see people accepting the truth that many OEM's log the data and keep quiet.it's necessary for us to stand against this logging of data. I'am concerned about my personal info being logged in without my permission. We just see the top layer of data being logged but who knows may be they even sell data to other companies and make profit. And those companies target ads at u and probably they might even know more about you then you yourself!! They know your habits. How and when you use your phone.what apps you use the worst part where you stay and what places you visit often etc etc!! I stand against this and you all should too!! If you still think it doesn't matter I suggest you read the book THE ART OF INVISIBILITY by Kevin mitnickey you'll know why your privacy is important
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It's sad to see people accepting the truth that many OEM's log the data and keep quiet.it's necessary for us to stand against this logging of data. I'am concerned about my personal info being logged in without my permission. We just see the top layer of data being logged but who knows may be they even sell data to other companies and make profit. And those companies target ads at u and probably they might even know more about you then you yourself!! They know your habits. How and when you use your phone.what apps you use the worst part where you stay and what places you visit often etc etc!! I stand against this and you all should too!! If you still think it doesn't matter I suggest you read the book THE ART OF INVISIBILITY by Kevin mitnickey you'll know why your privacy is important
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I am right there with you. (great book by the way) People are giving up their freedom without a fight or even understanding the dangers of it.
The two packages you want to remove are "net.oneplus.odm.provider" and "net.oneplus.odm"
So the two commands to run via ADB are
pm uninstall -k --user 0 net.oneplus.odm.provider
pm uninstall -k --user 0 net.oneplus.odm
Cypher dude said:
It's sad to see people accepting the truth that many OEM's log the data and keep quiet.it's necessary for us to stand against this logging of data. I'am concerned about my personal info being logged in without my permission. We just see the top layer of data being logged but who knows may be they even sell data to other companies and make profit. And those companies target ads at u and probably they might even know more about you then you yourself!! They know your habits. How and when you use your phone.what apps you use the worst part where you stay and what places you visit often etc etc!! I stand against this and you all should too!! If you still think it doesn't matter I suggest you read the book THE ART OF INVISIBILITY by Kevin mitnickey you'll know why your privacy is important
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i am reading the book at the moment and it's awesome
Pressure works
https://www.androidauthority.com/oneplus-makes-changes-data-collection-policy-807415/
denogun said:
The two packages you want to remove are "net.oneplus.odm.provider" and "net.oneplus.odm"
So the two commands to run via ADB are
pm uninstall -k --user 0 net.oneplus.odm.provider
pm uninstall -k --user 0 net.oneplus.odm
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can confirm no adverse side effects whatsoever after uninstalling these 2 packages :good:
Or you can add to blacklist in adaway/adguard open.oneplus.net
I received my much anticipated OnePlus 6T yesterday. Unboxed it, tapped "Start" button. Scanned through both "Agreements," turned it off, boxed it up, got an RMA and shipped it back. I'm no attorney, I'm a broadcast engineer, but in my job I have to navigate the whole alphabet soup of government agencies red tape so I've learned some "legalese." I' returned the 6T because of the language in the "Agreements". When you tap "I agree" to both, then activate and use the device, your granting OnePlus access to anything on the device or networks on which it connects (condensed Reader's Digest version). Like everybody in the broadcast business I have "a lot of irons in the fire," I make notes about projects and ideas on my phone. There's no way I'm giving anyone permission to cherry pick my creativity or access to my company & networks proprietary information. I'm offering this as my personal observation on this forum and suggest anyone who is just receiving theirs new, read the legalese very carefully before you tap "I Agree."
Who the **** reads those? ?
Still why I don't buy any device that doesn't have Lineage support... However what are you going to replace it with? Going to go buy another flagship? Have you glanced through other's privacy policies? This stuff is pretty boiler plate at this point, it's CYA. Not that I'm defending it, because it shouldn't be like that, but in today's "sue happy world", and "everything needs to be connected", guess what? The solution would be just to remove this these services, there are tons of posts of which OnePlus services to remove if you want to stay on OOS and protect your privacy.
So back to the replacement, lets take a Samsung, those are popular....., have you glanced at their privacy policy, because it's similar link
I didn't go over entirely, and I'm sure there's more details, but I'm guessing OnePlus's blurb, looked something similar to this (From Samsung's Website):
In addition to the information you provide, we may collect information about your use of our Services through software on your device and other means. For example, we may collect:
Device information - such as your hardware model, IMEI number and other unique device identifiers, MAC address, IP address, operating system versions, and settings of the device you use to access the Services.
Log information - such as the time and duration of your use of the Service, search query terms you enter through the Services, and any information stored in cookies that we have set on your device.
Location information - such as your device’s GPS signal or information about nearby WiFi access points and cell towers that may be transmitted to us when you use certain Services.
Voice information - such as recordings of your voice that we make (and may store on our servers) when you use voice commands to control a Service. (Note that if we work with a third-party service provider that provides speech-to-text conversion services on our behalf. This provider may receive and store certain voice commands.)
Other information about your use of the Services, such as the apps you use, the websites you visit, and how you interact with content offered through a Service.
Information from third-party sources
We may receive information about you from publicly and commercially available sources (as permitted by law), which we may combine with other information we receive from or about you. We also may receive information about you from third-party social networking services when you choose to connect with those services.
I'm not new to android or privacy by any means.
This kind of obscure language is no mistake or ctrl c/v standard.
All of these are poored over by lawyers on mass.
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It is for this reason I exclusively run custom rims & mods and a majority of my devices are root/xposed with multiple layers of privacy in mind.
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There used to be a much bigger crowd of developers and possibilities...
But we seem to be a dying breed.
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I'm deeply saddened at the lack of true device level privacy or the concern for it.
And no
You'll not catch me trusting Google or an oem.
I barely trust open source.
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Any links to further improve safety security and privacy on an Android device would be appreciated
If you think what the 6T collects is bad wait till you hear about Google.. Android is just a glorified data collection OS.. All they care about is profiling from us and learning everything to target ads and sell to 3rd parties after all Google is an Ad company.. If you want privacy compile AOSP and use MicroG avoid all Google services and use as much FOSS apps as possible.
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OhioYJ said:
Still why I don't buy any device that doesn't have Lineage support... However what are you going to replace it with? Going to go buy another flagship? Have you glanced through other's privacy policies? This stuff is pretty boiler plate at this point, it's CYA. Not that I'm defending it, because it shouldn't be like that, but in today's "sue happy world", and "everything needs to be connected", guess what? The solution would be just to remove this these services, there are tons of posts of which OnePlus services to remove if you want to stay on OOS and protect your privacy.
So back to the replacement, lets take a Samsung, those are popular....., have you glanced at their privacy policy, because it's similar link
I didn't go over entirely, and I'm sure there's more details, but I'm guessing OnePlus's blurb, looked something similar to this (From Samsung's Website):
In addition to the information you provide, we may collect information about your use of our Services through software on your device and other means. For example, we may collect:
Device information - such as your hardware model, IMEI number and other unique device identifiers, MAC address, IP address, operating system versions, and settings of the device you use to access the Services.
Log information - such as the time and duration of your use of the Service, search query terms you enter through the Services, and any information stored in cookies that we have set on your device.
Location information - such as your device’s GPS signal or information about nearby WiFi access points and cell towers that may be transmitted to us when you use certain Services.
Voice information - such as recordings of your voice that we make (and may store on our servers) when you use voice commands to control a Service. (Note that if we work with a third-party service provider that provides speech-to-text conversion services on our behalf. This provider may receive and store certain voice commands.)
Other information about your use of the Services, such as the apps you use, the websites you visit, and how you interact with content offered through a Service.
Information from third-party sources
We may receive information about you from publicly and commercially available sources (as permitted by law), which we may combine with other information we receive from or about you. We also may receive information about you from third-party social networking services when you choose to connect with those services.
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Lineage also collects weird data like what device you installed on, Carrier etc.. Not sure why it needs this but I don't run it for that reason.
nima0003 said:
Who the **** reads those?
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people who can read
Lebrun213 said:
people who can read
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Did you return yours?
liam_davenport said:
If you think what the 6T collects is bad wait till you hear about Google.. Android is just a glorified data collection OS.. All they care about is profiling from us and learning everything to target ads and sell to 3rd parties after all Google is an Ad company.. If you want privacy compile AOSP and use MicroG avoid all Google services and use as much FOSS apps as possible.
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Lineage also collects weird data like what device you installed on, Carrier etc.. Not sure why it needs this but I don't run it for that reason.
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So they can get an idea of which devices to develop for and their user base.
liam_davenport said:
Lineage also collects weird data like what device you installed on, Carrier etc.. Not sure why it needs this but I don't run it for that reason.
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As soon as you install Lineage it asks if you want to share / participate in this program? You don't have to share this information. If you overlooked it the user can disable this sharing in the settings. They don't try and hide it at all.
I also don't know of any Lineage builds / trees that are hidden unlike other ROMs that are popular. So everything is out in the open.
Lineage has always been my first choice, so maybe I'm biased?
Caltinpla said:
Did you return yours?
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custom OS and MicroG
got rid of oneplus & google spyware without loosing fonctionality (except fingerprint reader obviously)
Lebrun213 said:
custom OS and MicroG
got rid of oneplus & google spyware without loosing fonctionality (except fingerprint reader obviously)
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So, you really believe custom roms and other phone makers don't spy on you? Good luck with that!!!
Caltinpla said:
So, you really believe custom roms and other phone makers don't spy on you? Good luck with that!!!
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If you think custom roms (AOSP) are spying on you you're on the wrong website
Intrusive TOS suck big time, but, unfortunately, if you have a email address or cell phone, use the internet in any way shape or form, forget about any sense of privacy..
I make sure I dont do anything "iffy" on my cell phone; never use it for banking or bill paying, so I feel a little less paranoid, but there is really NO WAY, aside from not having an email address/cell phone/internet connection to keep your life from some prying eyes..
Lebrun213 said:
custom OS and MicroG
got rid of oneplus & google spyware without loosing fonctionality (except fingerprint reader obviously)
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Root and block everything.
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So, you really believe custom roms and other phone makers don't spy on you? Good luck with that!!!
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i trust open source, if there is a doubt with the code, anyone can check (not saying everyone does that).
Google service, oneplus, etc ... on the other hand are completely locked and you have no way to see what it really does.
Btw, i switched because of the much better battery and performance i get without these spyware constantly running, not much about privacy... Still use google.com everyday so they aren't missing anything :laugh:
The only one you have to agree to is the first one. The rest you can decline and still setup your phone. I agree with Micro G but, if go a step further and install NanoDroid. It comes with replacement Google apps and GPS and all sorts of things to disconnect you from Google but have a functioning phone.
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liam_davenport said:
If you think what the 6T collects is bad wait till you hear about Google.. Android is just a glorified data collection OS.. All they care about is profiling from us and learning everything to target ads and sell to 3rd parties after all Google is an Ad company.. If you want privacy compile AOSP and use MicroG avoid all Google services and use as much FOSS apps as possible.
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Lineage also collects weird data like what device you installed on, Carrier etc.. Not sure why it needs this but I don't run it for that reason.
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False. Google does not sell user data to third parties, or to anyone. It's never even been considered. Unfortunately due to a mix of people not understanding how technology works and assuming that every "tech company" operates in exactly the same way this particular piece of fake news just won't die. There are plenty of terrible things they actually do nowadays, better to focus on those anyway
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Root and block everything.
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so much this
every manufacturer has some sort of logging / reading data.
root, and monitor everything that leaves your phone - block apk's that shouldnt be running - or create firewall rules in the iptables to block applications from accessing certain sites / internet.
partcyborg said:
False. Google does not sell user data to third parties, or to anyone. It's never even been considered. Unfortunately due to a mix of people not understanding how technology works and assuming that every "tech company" operates in exactly the same way this particular piece of fake news just won't die. There are plenty of terrible things they actually do nowadays, better to focus on those anyway
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This argument would make Kellyanne Conway proud. Yes, Google does not sell user data directly. But it does so indirectly every day it is in business. By allowing advertisers to target ever smaller slices of the population and track them across websites they ARE providing advertisers with user data.
GroovyGeek said:
This argument would make Kellyanne Conway proud. Yes, Google does not sell user data directly. But it does so indirectly every day it is in business. By allowing advertisers to target ever smaller slices of the population and track them across websites they ARE providing advertisers with user data.
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A truly moronic reply that shows you have no idea what you are talking about. Have your even seen the advertising interface to Google's ad products? Obviously not because you just described Facebook's, not Google's! ?????
Assuming I was an expert user who knew every single Note 9 device option, samsung account setting, and google account setting.... If I were to configure EVERY single one of them to limit the data it collects, set every app permission to be in its most restricted state, disable every usage access setting, and configured my google and samsung accounts to be the most limited data collection accounts as possible, .... it is even possible to get to IOS level privacy on my Note 9? Is Android just sending everything it can back to google's servers as possible, such as when i turn the phone on, when i walk, move, open an app, browse the web, or whatever? I know some have already setup network analyzers to see the traffic going out, but I can never tell what configuration they do that with. I want to know if getting the privacy to IOS levels is impossible, or is it just a matter of very careful configuration....?
It's impossible. I'm not a fan of Apple devices, but I applaud them from a business perspective and that trickles down from the fundamental ideals of Steve Jobs.
Numerous studies show that Google sucks up information 10x as much as Apple which relies in differential data that doesn't exactly pinpoint the person, but more so the general interests of the person. Google identifies the person and their location. Unless you're walking around with your phone off or granting no permissions to every app, you can't match the security of an Apple device. The doesn't only include Google. Remember we have to deal with our specific manufacturers that are collecting data on us as well since Android is open source. So we just have to hope Googles intentions are good or move to an Apple device.
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Assuming I was an expert user who knew every single Note 9 device option, samsung account setting, and google account setting.... If I were to configure EVERY single one of them to limit the data it collects, set every app permission to be in its most restricted state, disable every usage access setting, and configured my google and samsung accounts to be the most limited data collection accounts as possible, .... it is even possible to get to IOS level privacy on my Note 9? Is Android just sending everything it can back to google's servers as possible, such as when i turn the phone on, when i walk, move, open an app, browse the web, or whatever? I know some have already setup network analyzers to see the traffic going out, but I can never tell what configuration they do that with. I want to know if getting the privacy to IOS levels is impossible, or is it just a matter of very careful configuration....?
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No fanboi of any company/mfg/OS,but,they all do virtually the same thing with your personal information/usage habits.
The differences are mere semantics & they collect/sell user information.
The following is a 2yr old article,but,I'm guessing the points they make still hold true:
https://decentralize.today/apple-vs...company-handles-your-data-better-a7022bd452b1
Arguably,Android users can control their sharing of personal data usage,but,that has its caveats,such as limited functionality on some apps/etc...
Best advice I can give is the following:
1) Carefully comb through every setting on the phone,most are self-explanatory.
2) Go to every apps internal settings & the phone's setting under SETTINGS > APPLICATIONS & fine tune as best as possible.
Even after all of that,Google/Samsung (or most other mfgs) have settings that are inaccessible or cannot change (greyed-out),so,you're still not in the clear as far as total control/privacy.
This is one of the major attractions to rooting/ROMs for your Android device.
A rooted &/or ROM'd Samsung device is the ideal for gaining control of privacy/permission control,but,it breaks KNOX & Samsung Pay,no going back once rooted,even if restored to a stock state.
You gain more granular control of such permissions & if you want to go all-in on privacy, a ROM such as Lineage gives you the best you can hope for in personal security/privacy. A brief summary,but,that's the gist.
Outside of root/ROMs,If privacy/security is of utmost importance,I'd dare say a Blackberry would be a decent choice. I myself only briefly owned a Blackberry (Android device),so,I can't attest to how private/secure you personal usage/data is,but,I've rarely,if ever,heard of any major concerns in the matter w/Blackberry.
@brainysmurf
Another step you can take to regain some control of your Samsung device is using a package disabler app & the nice thing about these is no root access is required (AppFreeze/Package Disabler Pro/Adhell3).
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wakasoftware.appfreezer&hl=en_US
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.powermanager.batteryaddon&hl=en
https://amp.reddit.com/r/GalaxyS8/comments/8nmrfq/how_to_install_adhell_3_a_video_guide/
Use the XDA site search feature or Google for more info on the above mentioned disabler apps.
You can also use ADB Commands to disable apps as well,but,please read the following link carefully before proceeding:
https://www.xda-developers.com/uninstall-carrier-oem-bloatware-without-root-access/
I have never had an apple device, But I would like to say that android as a system is opensource and the google apps that are put on top are non opensource and are probably where you lose your privacy but as a system it is transparent which attracts devs and rooting (i.e. getting access to the system partitions) is what makes android so customizable. Versus apple which you have to blind trust ios and trust that these options are 100% do what they say..
Yes it is more secure because it is closed source but at the same time For actual privacy you never know. Saying that how do you get your privacy with android needs some setup which koliosis did good explaining. But the difference between the two OSs I believe is because of (opensource)ness of android the amout of customizablity with android is really deep. To which I believe if you invest good time researching, you can get a way better state than iOS. Again not an expert but putting my opinion
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Koliosis said it all.
that_same_guy said:
Yes it is more secure because it is closed source.
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Have to correct that one. That is a myth spread by some big companies in order try to gain some customers over from the cheaper/free competition. In reality, open vs. closed source has no other effect on how secure the result is than with open source there can be more eyes looking at the code (for both good and bad intentions). As an example, simply compare a decent linux distro (from which only similar applications are installed that would come with corresponding Windows installation) to M$ Windows. Open source (and free at that) wins many times over in overall security (while neither is free from issues).
The biggest effect on the code quality (thus often also how secure it is) is on how many (real) experts work on it, and this in turn depends on popularity (open source) and/or money (company's/organization's income and policies/ideals). For the last part 'policies/ideals' just compare M$ and Apple, both have the money to throw at development if they choose to do so; former makes mostly insecure crap, latter makes half-decent stuff. (And note, I'm not a fanboy of either, or pretty much of any company, except one little local camera shop, so do read the previous with some weight on that "half-" before the "decent".)
As for small input on the privacy squeezing on Samsung devices:
I have so far managed to avoid to use a samsung-account, and that might help a tiny bit, although some features of the phone are then not working, but mostly useless features. Though there are some seemingly useful features that require Samsung-account for some weird reason, but I've manage to live without them. Like the "protected folder" (or whatever it is in English), why on earth would that need an account or anything external for that matter?!?
(Well, technically, I do have a Samsung-account, as that was required to get the phone cheaper, but after that order, I've not used that account anywhere.)
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It's impossible. I'm not a fan of Apple devices, but I applaud them from a business perspective and that trickles down from the fundamental ideals of Steve Jobs.
Numerous studies show that Google sucks up information 10x as much as Apple which relies in differential data that doesn't exactly pinpoint the person, but more so the general interests of the person. Google identifies the person and their location. Unless you're walking around with your phone off or granting no permissions to every app, you can't match the security of an Apple device. The doesn't only include Google. Remember we have to deal with our specific manufacturers that are collecting data on us as well since Android is open source. So we just have to hope Googles intentions are good or move to an Apple device.
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This actually goes to my point... If indeed I did remove all permissions from all apps, does this mean Android tracking would be completely disabled? Or if I removed google play services, or disabled it, or removed all permissions from it? Technically, would that give it an IOS level of privacy? I'm just wondering if the OS itself is prone to just phoning home and letting it know everything I'm doing, or if it's possible at all to tame it....
Thanks for your repsonse.
ErebusRaze said:
It's impossible. I'm not a fan of Apple devices, but I applaud them from a business perspective and that trickles down from the fundamental ideals of Steve Jobs.
Numerous studies show that Google sucks up information 10x as much as Apple which relies in differential data that doesn't exactly pinpoint the person, but more so the general interests of the person. Google identifies the person and their location. Unless you're walking around with your phone off or granting no permissions to every app, you can't match the security of an Apple device. The doesn't only include Google. Remember we have to deal with our specific manufacturers that are collecting data on us as well since Android is open source. So we just have to hope Googles intentions are good or move to an Apple device.
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Yeah I saw those same studies. And they never seem to provide specific configuration data. For instance, the study showing that android gathers as much as 10x more data specifically mentioned that Chrome was constantly phoning home sending data. However, what if the user didn't log into their chrome account? I think it's much more limited in that case... Or what if the user disabled chrome, and perhaps all google apps? Is it android doing the privacy damage, or google apps/play services? If I disabled those, or removed all permissions from those, would it be equivalent to IOS? I'm an engineer in the business working at a major silicon valley company, and even with high expertise in the design of these things I'm finding it impossible to get basic understanding of what it actually going on. It is either trying to read through legalize of privacy agreements, or reading blogs and studies with claims such as 10x more data, while not providing specifics...
All,
I need help immediately..I'm not a developer or tech savvy type beyond corp correspondence and general reporting for project management. I've been hacked in the worst way by criminals I caught doing some very nasty things in my name and on my property. They used Bluetooth and Wifi/Wifi Direct to pair with everything but the toaster in my house. They are using OMADM protocol to send APKs and other apps directly into my devices with what appears to be permanent USB tethering embedded that I cannot breaK and every new device get the same data dump from some cloud or text or email and renders my devices slaves. They've used everything from remote desktop services to ALL legitimate apps DL from playstore Github and other places. These are not detected by malware spyware or antivirus. They install them in the system side via OTA root. It's taken me 9 months to learn this reading bits and pieces like reading 10 books at a time two pages from each book every tem minutes then trying to understand it and apply. Law enforcement is useless. Can YOU help me??! It's cost me my house my patience and nearly my life. If you can and are willing let me know how to contact you on secure platform. I even need your help to do this securely and safely. I'll PAY. I need help. Please. These are Linux and Java code writers and app writers. They KNOW how to attack. Who out there will help? I can provide phone number, email add etc and will contact you in anyway you prefer.
Victimized23322 said:
All,
I need help immediately..I'm not a developer or tech savvy type beyond corp correspondence and general reporting for project management. I've been hacked in the worst way by criminals I caught doing some very nasty things in my name and on my property. They used Bluetooth and Wifi/Wifi Direct to pair with everything but the toaster in my house. They are using OMADM protocol to send APKs and other apps directly into my devices with what appears to be permanent USB tethering embedded that I cannot breaK and every new device get the same data dump from some cloud or text or email and renders my devices slaves. They've used everything from remote desktop services to ALL legitimate apps DL from playstore Github and other places. These are not detected by malware spyware or antivirus. They install them in the system side via OTA root. It's taken me 9 months to learn this reading bits and pieces like reading 10 books at a time two pages from each book every tem minutes then trying to understand it and apply. Law enforcement is useless. Can YOU help me??! It's cost me my house my patience and nearly my life. If you can and are willing let me know how to contact you on secure platform. I even need your help to do this securely and safely. I'll PAY. I need help. Please. These are Linux and Java code writers and app writers. They KNOW how to attack. Who out there will help? I can provide phone number, email add etc and will contact you in anyway you prefer.
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Hi Victimized23322
XDA is not the right platform for such request and I'm compelled to warn our members that your request may be malicious in itself. Playing the victim is a very common practice used by phishers and con artists.
Therefore I recommend all members not to engage with @Victimized23322 about his/her problem. Any damages and/or losses resulting from engaging are entirely your own responsibility.
Thank you for understanding my concern, we have to take this into account. If what you explained is true, you need a specialized security firm that deals with these type of attacks.