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Which ROM recomend to my cingular 8125

Hi folks
Actually I have a cingular 8125 CID & SIM unlocked, it work with lokiwiz. I would like to know wich ROM update do you recomend me to put inside it and the procedure to do that. I´m a completly neebie.
My Wizard says
ROM version 1.8.11.1 WWE
ROM date 11/24/05
Radio Version 01.16.11
Protocol version 4.0.13.21
ExtROM 1.8.11.103
Flash chip type : M-Systems G3
Model No.: WIZA100
Thanks a lot
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jefferson_paredes said:
Hi folks
Actually I have a cingular 8125 CID & SIM unlocked, it work with lokiwiz. I would like to know wich ROM update do you recomend me to put inside it and the procedure to do that. I´m a completly neebie.
My Wizard says
ROM version 1.8.11.1 WWE
ROM date 11/24/05
Radio Version 01.16.11
Protocol version 4.0.13.21
ExtROM 1.8.11.103
Flash chip type : M-Systems G3
Model No.: WIZA100
Thanks a lot
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I recommend you stay with the stock rom. You don't want to take the time to read, you don't want to take the time to learn, and I quote:
jefferson_paredes said:
I´m a completly neebie.
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Thanks for the useless response.
Actually Im reading a lot of stuff about the AKU 2.3, learning about the experience about of version 2.17. but I think someone can give your opinion or advice about the diferent versions.
Thanks again for nothing.

jefferson_paredes said:
Thanks for the useless response.
Actually Im reading a lot of stuff about the AKU 2.3, learning about the experience about of version 2.17. but I think someone can give your opinion or advice about the diferent versions.
Thanks again for nothing.
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This forum is not for the faint of heart. It is halfway expected that you experiment and read up on other's experiences before asking for help. Most folks here did precisely that and have learned from experience and mistakes, that is why you'll receive that kind of response.
My recommendation to you is to start with the newly released ROM from Cingular and after you get your feet wet, you can move on to bigger and bolder moves. I used to have a "cooked" ROM but I have since moved onto the new stock rom without the extended rom and it has served me well.

jlczl said:
My recommendation to you is to start with the newly released ROM from Cingular and after you get your feet wet, you can move on to bigger and bolder moves. I used to have a "cooked" ROM but I have since moved onto the new stock rom without the extended rom and it has served me well.
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This is helpful
Thanks

I also had the original ROM. I upgraded to 2.17 first and then to 2.25 original ROM from Cingular. I have heard that some folks had problems downgrading so I have only gone up. Eventually summiter will have a modified version that covers new stuff.
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jefferson_paredes said:
Thanks for the useless response.
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Garbage in, garbage out. Sticks and stones mate.
Posting what you did, I gave you exactly what you should have expected. I'm not going to tell you to go ahead, void your warranty, and you some how brick your device by flashing it wrong or using the wrong rom, Summiter's projects or not.
I'm merely stating that with the lack of information you provided, and the type of post you made (which as been done many times), you should have thought a little harder about what you're getting into.
I personally don't want to be responsible for you flashing your device, and neither does the author of the custom rom you may choose. My statement of "stick with the stock rom" also applies to recommended STOCK upgrades, such as the one found here:
http://www.htcamerica.net/support/software_downloads_8125.htm
I still don't recommend you electing to flash a custom rom until you are more confident about the possibility of dumping $700 worth of phone as a paper weight. There is always the chance you will brick your device. If you do it with a stock rom, then the provider's warranty kicks in and they have to take the dive, not you or your pocket book.
So dear sir, for the lame attempt at shoving my post right back in my face, it was actually quite helpful if you bothered, once again, to read, read, and read some more. I'm not doing this to flame you, I'm not doing this to be a tard or a ****... but I am taking the voice of many users here who heed caution to you, because using a customized rom is a serious matter, and should be taken into consideration when a $700 device may be bricked.
Just trying to cautiously make you aware of the circumstances. My recommendation: stick with stock - upgrades are a part of stock roms and don't void your warranty (as long as they don't investigate the SuperCID unlocking you did, you're all gravy).
Cheers! and best of luck on your ROM hunt.

Once again, another seasoned poster on this board comes across as a total A-hole to someone brand new here,
Maybe in your circles this is the way you and your buddies interact. And for some who have been here a while they may learn to understand your inflections.
But YOU should realize that this new poster needs to get oriented to this board and HELP point him in the right direction. THAT is YOUR responsibility as an old timer here. And yes you WERE flaming him on the initial response.
As Charles Barkley said " I ain't no role model" well get used to it. YOU ARE A ROLE MODEL as well as everyone else here who knows the ins and outs. And your

jschaff said:
Once again, another seasoned poster on this board comes across as a total A-hole to someone brand new here,
Maybe in your circles this is the way you and your buddies interact. And for some who have been here a while they may learn to understand your inflections.
But YOU should realize that this new poster needs to get oriented to this board and HELP point him in the right direction. THAT is YOUR responsibility as an old timer here. And yes you WERE flaming him on the initial response.
As Charles Barkley said " I ain't no role model" well get used to it. YOU ARE A ROLE MODEL as well as everyone else here who knows the ins and outs. And your
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I agree 100% with your post. the post made by mengesb was useless and unnecessary.

We have no responsibilities here to instruct you ...
If you don't take the time to research, then that's your decision. If you don't like a response, that's your call.
We try to help all who show a desire to learn. Be careful of who you offend when you ***** about an "Old Timer" that's responding to a Posting that has very little information regarding the knowledge of the Poster.
Me personally, I'm tired of *****ing.. I'm tired of folks like you. I get annoyed at responding to the same questions because no one can read back a few posts.
If we displease you... maybe look for help somewhere else.
I'm noticing that fewer and fewer of the "old timer's" are responding... wonder why?
Steven
chow

To answer the question, the best rom IMHO currently is Summiter's multi-installer AKU2.3 package. He's fixed many of the initial gotcha's and the result is the best radio/AKU combination for the 8125. The only issue is a pesky Times New Roman font that occasionally crops up.
Once SIM & CID unlocked, you'll have no pblms installing this one with your v3 chipset.

Dr Puttingham said:
We have no responsibilities here to instruct you ...
If you don't take the time to research, then that's your decision. If you don't like a response, that's your call.
We try to help all who show a desire to learn.
Me personally, I'm tired of *****ing.. I'm tired of folks like you. I get annoyed at responding to the same questions because no one can read back a few posts.
I'm noticing that fewer and fewer of the "old timer's" are responding... wonder why?
Steven
chow
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I can understand where you're coming from. I'm pretty "new" to these forums, as well -- actually, though . . . NOT!! I "lurked" for a LONG time before I ever started posting and read every thread I could find about upgrading, tweaking, hacking, etc., etc.
I'm coming from a Carrier's customer forum where I feel about THAT forum the same way the "old-timers" here feel about noobs posting questions. It seems like every 4 - 6 weeks, there's an influx of noobs, and they all keep asking the same questions over and over again, without taking the time to use the site's search feature, and we "old-timers" get tired of answering the same questions over and over again, and get extremely frustrated that posters WON'T take the time to do a search and read and apply before posting. AAARRRRGGGGGHHHH!!! I mean, the answers to 75% of the questions that are asked are right in the User's Manual, for Pete's Sake!!
So, I'm now spending more of my time here reading, researching, applying and THEN asking, if need be. Much more productive information over here, anyway. So, I can see BOTH SIDES of this coin -- both as a relative noob here and as a seasoned veteran of the other forum.
Personally, though, the main reason I don't post more often than I do is that I feel pretty much intimidated with all of the knowledge and the members WITH that knowledge on this forum. But, I will also be quick to say that when I had a problem with a tweak, or a hack that I couldn't seem to overcome, there have been those who have bent over backwards for me to help when I would PM them about it, and THAT was very much appreciated. The ones who have gone that "extra mile" have never in any way made me feel inferior to them when it comes to developmental issues I've inquired about.
From lurking around on here, I've turned into a virtual SPONGE, trying to soak it all in and learn all there is to learn. . . so, bear with me if I should happen to be the one asking a question -- ok??

Lurking is good. The best way to learn here is by lurking and reading, and not just reading selected postings for a day or two. So many questions have already been asked and just need to be found. These forums move quickly and sometimes one needs to go back a few pages to find something and the search COULD be better, but that's the way it is.
I was referring to those that call mengesb names, etc because he didn't give them the answer that they wanted. Actually I thought that he put more time and understanding into answering the OP than I might have, given the information presented. And no, he didn't flame the author.
And I, for one, might not go all out to help someone that responds in such a manner should they need assistance in the future. I mean, who wants to offer advise and risk being called an A-Hole? Not me, that's for sure!
That's just my opinion.
Steven

As someone relatively new to this forum, I've tried to take the same tack as newbie2 and lurk as much as I can. However, even the most comprehensive community cannot answer any and all questions that someone may have. The key here is to be able to differentiate between valid questions asked by someone who's new, and idiotic questions asked by someone who doesn't care to do some research.
That being said, even with about a week’s worth of research I have yet to find a definitive answer as to which custom ROM is the best, and, because we are a community of volunteers, a lot of documentation that would exist for a commercial product is missing. Now that's to be expected, and I don't fault the ROM developer for building what is essentially, something for him, that he shares with the community. However, given that this documentation either doesn't exist or is distinctly lacking, I think the community that the ROM is shared with could be a bit more forthcoming with information, either by making it available in a wiki or in these forums. Keyword searching to try to find the best extended ROM gives a whole bunch of people asking which one is best, as well as the two or three large threads with either summiter's ROM or MrClean's.
Now I know that experimenting can be the best way to find out the information that I seek, but when it's possible to brick a $400 piece of electronics simply by experimenting, one has to be as prudent and careful as possible. That's a frightening proposition and it puts a lot of newbies in a difficult position.
So to conclude this rather verbose post, the best thing that can be done is for the older and more experienced posters to simply respond with a bit of information about the topic being asked, and then if there is a more specific question, to explain to the poster that they can search for this info. This gives newer people that do search and do research the benefit of information shared from more experienced posters without hopefully clogging up the forum with tons of the same question.

Words of caution - and some help
By far, as many of the thread lurkers here can say, the roms submitted by Summiter are probably the better quality roms. But, in light of things, you have a few options:
Mr. Clean ROMs
Summiter's ROMs
Mobiz ROMs
these are the three that I've seen around these parts. Mr. Clean roms are a derrivitive of Summiter's projects, which basically clean out the carrier customization. If you don't like carrier customizations, then this rom would be the best for you.
For those of us who like to use carrier customizations, we usually elect to use Summiter's roms. They typically are very stable, fast, and come already with the generally pre-defined or commonly desired hacks located in the wiki.
As for the Mobiz ROMs, I cannot say one thing or another. I've only recently seen talk about them in the past month or so, and I'm not going to speak of a product I don't have personal experience from.
I don't want to come off complete as a jack ass, but you also do understand where I'm coming from - if my recommendation nukes your device, who's the first person you're going to flame? Me or the Author of that ROM. I've been experimenting with my own ROM customizations myself, and let me tell you, even I haven't dared flash one of my own creations because numerous people here have nuked their devices doing that very thing! I... for now... like many other people await for a seasoned ROM cooking professional to work on those waffles until the ROM feels right - Summiter.
What I will always recommend a new comer is to stick with a stock rom, and do as many minor adjustments to their device as possible just to simply make it faster. If Summiter would post is SummSumm.cab file, that would be perfect for you honestly! You wouldn't void your warranty, and that cab has a lot of good registry hacks to make your device nice and speedy.
When you're ready, and know the concequences, there will be people here to help you attempt to save your device if it does get in trouble. Here's a quick note in that event:
If for some reason your flash fails, or gets interrupted (either by you unplugging the USB cable because you think its hanging; or the dreaded BSOD - blue screen of death), when your device reboots, hold down the camera key. This should load you into the bootloader if its not completely nuked. If you get a tri-color (RGB) screen with/without some white and a 'USB' marking above the left soft key, then you're still good. Resume the updater and don't interupt it.
I'm sure this is a more polite way of giving you the information you seek - and helps you to being well on your way to the club of warranty voided 8125's like many of us here pay our memberships to. I always want to have the voice of this, "Flashing your device can brick your $400-650 investiment - you have been warned."
I'd also recommend searching posts made by the following: machinagod, summiter, Dr Puttingham, and kyphur.

The warranty warning is a valid issue. And the latest ROM release by Cingular is an OK ROM. In your position I'd probably upgrade to that official version and install one of the various reg tweaks cabs available here. I've been using Molski's speed tweaks contribution and notice a marked improvement when using any of the ROMs'.
I personally go back and forth between sumitter's latest, the PDA Mobiz (cuz I like some of the add-ins) and a test ROM that faria made special for me.
If you decide to chance your warranty that's your decision. Actually very few folks that have painstaking followed the procedure have bricked their phones but there's always that chance. I made a conscious decision at the beginning of the year when I got my Wizard that .. first, I had to have direct push and second, if I DID brick my phone I'd consider it a $300 paperweight and blame no one but myself.
I've flashed my phone at least a dozen times I'm sure, in addition to maybe 10 or so of my clients. Luckily I've never bricked a phone yet but a lot of that isn't luck. If you go this route and decide to use an unofficial ROM you must CID and SIM unlock. There are those that say different but sumitter, faria and other custom ROM builders say "do", up to you.
Anything we can help you with, ask.
Steven
chow

I have a TMo MDA and am a six-week-old noob, but learning fast, having spent probably 1000 hours reading posts from here and HoFo. I've decided to keep the stock ROM, at least for the time being, for the reasons cited in previous replies here. Also, in almost every case with the custom ROM's there is a minority that have problems, either small or big, and that has led me away from the adventure of ROM burning. Plus, my stock ROM works fine for me and I'm only having one problem that may be solved by now. It has no major quirks, has enough memory remaining, and rarely crashes.
What bothers me about the custom ROM's is the undercetainty of some of the steps. Do I need Lokowiz and if so which version? Some say you must use the older 2a under some circumstances. With at least one ROM upgrade you can upgrade if you have ROM "X," but if you have "Y" you must downgrade to "Z" first and then upgrade. I entertained the possibility of just doing a hard-reset, then omit the TMo extended ROM, but nowhere could I find info on what I'm missing by eliminating it. Will the phone function at 100% without it? Can I selectively run the CAB's, and if so who makes a list of what is in each CAB? Too many questions for which I see no answers, or foggy ones. Someone needs to write a comprehensive FAQ on these topics.
I did do the slit-antenna mod, which did help a bit, and that was only one day into my MDA ownership. That was a big jump and didn't seem like a risky move like the fingers-crossed, heart-pumping, adrenaline rush of flashing your ROM. I also have installed apps and tweaks that have made the MDA a pleasant experience so far.
My advice would be to play with your new phone for a while and ask yourself, "Am I happy with the way this works," then read about other ROMs available and ask yourself another question: "Will this help enhance my PDA-phone experience in any meaningful way, or do I just like the rush of playing in the street?" Then decide if the improvements, if any, are worth the risks. So far for me they are not...but who knows what will happen tomorrow.

I feel like a commercial here, but I think for newbies (as me) the mobiz ROM has a the usefull stuff, it has all tweaks, programs etc.
I still like it and keep on using it.

Don't forget to read the "Announcement" ROM images will no longer be hosted.

Don't forget to read the "Announcement" ROM images will no longer be hosted.
Since a lot of people don't pay attention to the announcement here is a reminder....
For those of you, who are still hoping that a cooked WM6 will be available to download from this site you can stop hoping now Your "favorite" Cooks won't be able to post any ROM, hosted by this site, doens't matter if it's WM5 or WM6.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=293

mtvn said:
For those of you, who are still hoping that a cooked WM6 will be available to download from this site you can stop hoping now
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Is it really funny 4 u?

But if someone else hosts it?
There are a lot of people out there with webspace (me incluis).... so....
or is this too simple of a thought?

butus73 said:
Is it really funny 4 u?
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Yes, I am. Because some peeps and probably you too, have already announced that they will not use any ROM from any site. They will only use the ROM from the "Master Cook" here.
Do you want to RLOL?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1135447&postcount=13
You can stop hoping and praying now because you won't get any WM6 update for the Wizard or any older model from HTC. Most people already know that, but you probably still hoping I have no problem of using ROM from any Cook from any site. What would you do now? Keep on using the old ROM or "eat" your words and start to use the ROM from the so called "Non-Master Cook"?

swartb said:
Don't expect an official update. This is the reply I received from HTC:
Thank you for your enquiry concerning the HTC P3600 mobile device.
Unfortunately we will not upgrade our current devices to include the Mobile 6 software.? However, there will be new devices out which will include the software.
Should you have any other problem, please do not hesitate to call us. Your Local number can be found at http://www.europe.htc.com/support/cs_by_phone.html
Best regards,
HTC Support
[email protected]
http://www.htc.com
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There's the whole reason M$ has made the request....so OEM's can sell new devices instead of providing upgrades to existing devices. It's all in how much profit can they make from those of us that like the latest and greatest.

mtvn said:
Since a lot of people don't pay attention to the announcement here is a reminder....
For those of you, who are still hoping that a cooked WM6 will be available to download from this site you can stop hoping now Your "favorite" Cooks won't be able to post any ROM, hosted by this site, doens't matter if it's WM5 or WM6.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=293
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It's not only about the new Roms... This meant that everyroms will be taken down.... Man that sucks.....

mtvn said:
Since a lot of people don't pay attention to the announcement here is a reminder....
For those of you, who are still hoping that a cooked WM6 will be available to download from this site you can stop hoping now Your "favorite" Cooks won't be able to post any ROM, hosted by this site, doens't matter if it's WM5 or WM6.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=293
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M$'s position is truely sad. Guess it is time to look for a phone that will run a version of Linux...
--M

By requesting to remove all roms from this site, M$ is basically killing this forum. People come here to test new updated roms on their phones. Now this really sucks. Now, is it possible to host roms elsewhere?

I'm Pissed
I guess I'll switch to a freakin symbian phone or ahh yes an IPHONE. This kind of crap really reminds me why I can't stand Microsoft! They are not just happy with getting our money.

we knew from the very start about MS totalitarian rule, of course we can work something out, like "we worked"(esp. the great ROM cookers) to make better, faster, and more stable ROMs than MS has ever made, maybe someone is already working out a plan, working around the "system", so that the whole forum will still be alive

I think the cooks must deside for themselves... if they want to place the roms elsewhere; there is no real issue... if they don't, I think it is going to be a less interesting board, the xda-developers, unfortunatelly.
But I think mickey$oft will hunt down every place where the roms reside, so....

I've never really liked Microsoft..*the only reason I don't run Linux is because my wife doesn't know much about it and we only have 1 computer now*..but it was bound to happen sooner or later. With things like people bricking the phones and the whole monopoly that Microsoft has. The only thing I hate is that Faria had upgrades planned for the 3.3.
But texasaggie, I couldn't bring myself to get an iphone. It cost too much for too little. I've just waiting around until a ppc starts to run Linux.

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I've never really liked Microsoft..*the only reason I don't run Linux is because my wife doesn't know much about it and we only have 1 computer now*..but it was bound to happen sooner or later. With things like people bricking the phones and the whole monopoly that Microsoft has. The only thing I hate is that Faria had upgrades planned for the 3.3.
But texasaggie, I couldn't bring myself to get an iphone. It cost too much for too little. I've just waiting around until a ppc starts to run Linux.
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I guess torrents is the way to go. Since new roms comes very quickly and people would be more interested in the newest ones, torrents should able to stay alive until the next rom release.

M$ can go F themselves. BT everything, rapidshare, yousendit, megaupload or host it in some Cayman Island server. [email protected]@rds each & every one of the corporations.

one of the best sites no the net
hands down, you guys helped me through thick and thin so to all of you, noobs and developers alike, thanks for saving my nuts!!
Maybe M$ is just mad vista boched out

There are many other ways to post the roms
Hope the cooks won't have to waste too much time playing hiding games instead of doing important work

i just downloaded all of them...lol little over 7GB worth!

Harsh words
Ok, I'm probably gonna get killed for saying something like this, but can't you guys give Microsoft a break?
First off, without Microsoft, computers wouldn't be where they are today, the internet wouldn't be as big as it is today and your Wizards wouldn't be around. Sure, maybe some other companies would have filled the void and developed their own programs and things, but it's hard for me to imagine the way Microsoft has gone about developing programs and then marketing them to every man and his dog being replicated by anyone else with the same degree of success.
There are other devices and mobile operating systems out there already. But how many of them can do all the things that a Windows Mobile device can? And how many of them do it as well as a Windows Mobile device?
We can shout at Microsoft all we like, and rip into them forever about wanting to get more money from us for buying new devices. But who really has control over their software? Can we download O2 ROMs direct from Microsoft? Do T-Mobile update their phones via Windows Update like Microsoft update Vista, XP, etc?
AKU's have been released to mobile operators, and new opearting systems (WM6) have been passed over too. It is up to the operators to adapt the software and release it to us, it's customers, or at the very least the device manufacturers.
Until ALL Windows Mobile devices get a lot more memory, and can support a whole host of drivers (that they'll never use but have to to be there to cover other devices), updated ROMs will only come from operators or handset makers. Microsoft provide them with the updates, and then go back to working on the next lot of updates or new system.
So maybe Microsoft is at fault for removing ROMs from sites like this. But the real fault, and something they should definitely look into, is the fact that the people who are able and willing to tweak and change their system to suit the hardware, aren't the people they're giving the software to.
I don't like it any more than you guys do. I've only been using the site for the last couple of months, and that's been a time of a lot of activity with all the excitement of WM6 ROMs popping up and also AKU3.3 ROMs released etc. I would love the site to stay open, so that the brilliant "cooks" in this community could continue their work and support us for free, while the people we paid just sit their doing nothing with Microsoft's hard work in updating the software. But I can also understand where they're coming from, and simply ask that you take a more critical view of the people most of us probably got our phones from (operators like O2, T-Mobile, Cingular etc.) before having a go at the people that provided us with fantastic, if slightly flawed, software that is still better than everything else that's out there.
If it wasn't, why would we still be using it?
P.S. Just give me time to my girlfriend how much I love her before you torture me to death?

Basically taking down the ROMs from this site means moving the whole development projects to the "underground"!
There will be always a site to download the ROMs, only the legal aspcet will change and become (even more) questionable.
Sad, but true
See you again on some of the other sites...
Cheers,
Jago

this was posted over in the hermes forum
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/xdadevs/
I for one have signed up!

Is it worth it???

I just got the AT&T Tilt last Friday and have found myself pondering if it was worth the $300.00? I am thinking about taking it back because it seems to buggy. The phone its self is good looking but WM6 is just ugly compared to the iPhone interface. Anyways what do you think?

If aesthetics are you main concern, sure go with an iPhone. I like functionality over appearance, so I love my tilt!

yes it worth it, there is soooooo many apps that u can add, you can even upgrade from that cingular rom, i havent seen anyone with my tilt yet

Now come on... this is getting beyond a joke....You have an At&T Tilt, not a 'HTC TyTnII'
Please disclose your business affiliations as I am POSITIVE you are associated with apple as this is getting really stupid!
Who buys a very expensive phone without research then suddenly comes on this forum and denouces it within a few weeks without really trying it??
I am amazed!!!
OH, BTW I am not associated with HTC in any way and I find it a 100% piece of kit for what I wanted.

Amazing how many times you see "is it worth it to me" on forums. Who else but you could possibly answer if it's worth it to you???

hahahaha good point, Farsquidge......iphone=downgrade

First off I do not work for AT&T!!! I am a high school student that spent alot of time doing research on this phone! I love my "'HTC TyTnII" or whatever you want to call it! I only called it the Tilt for the simple fact that its branded name is the AT&T Tilt. This has to be the most unfriendly forum I have ever been on!

Dude you need to chill out. Swearing will get you banned. Everyone has their opinions about the iPhone and the Tilt. If you don't like someone else's opinions, just ignore them.
Personally I love the Tilt. The iPhone just doesn't do enough for me. Yes, it has a very nice interface but in the end, function wins over form.
If you want a pretty phone, go with the iPhone. If you want one that you can easily hack and tweak and load tons of 3rd party apps on, get the Tilt, but it is your choice to make, not ours to make for you.
In the end, you have to live with your choice.
P.S. I absolutely love my Tilt. It runs rings around the iPhone and I don't have to worry about Steve Jobs making my life difficult by not letting me do what I want with it.

Thank you. I think I will stay with my Tilt.

dawa259 said:
Thank you. I think I will stay with my Tilt.
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Please don't give up.. I know some of us (me for one!) can be a little short tempered with what is around on this forum at the moment (flaming the device!) but all of us on here would like to try to help you futher your unit!
I am sorry if I seemed to shoot you down at the start...
Let's move on from that...
You say you have a 'Tilt', first thing we can recommend is re-flashing your ROM to a HTC TyTnII as the AT&T is a very basic firmware but when you do this you will lose your AT&T settings ( that is your 3G HSDPA connection). Then you will need the latest Network settings cab.. Then lets move on from that!!! OK?

There are so many different roms witch is the one I need to use?

True, there are many. I like the att rom. it's not that bad. i just removed all of the bloatware on it by doing a soft reset after the hard reset and that freeed like 20 mb or so. btw, if you want to run different roms on the tilt, you must cid unlcok your tilt.

We need a few bits of info to start you off.
First, tell us the device (I know it may seem strange but we need to know who you bought it from ie At&T or whatever as this forum is worldwide!!)
Then when you first turn on the phone (turn it off by holding the power button!) try to get the OS and Radio versions it has. You may need to do this a couple of times as it disappears quickly.
If I am not online you will find loads of guys willing to help....
You have come into a great community that will work with you so long as we get the correct info...

I bought it from an AT&T store. The numbers are R1.27.12.11 G22.445.88.07h D1.57.00.00.

I need the same help here, thanks in advance
I will follow this thread since I have the same phone, same radio and OS, I'm very interested in getting a better ROM to see what are the PROS.

OK guys, have a good read at the WiKi...
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Kaiser
Especially at the 'How to flash a new ROM' section. It will give you a good aspect of what you will be doing..

I should have my tilt in a few days ( Amazon is the worst!). So I have been going around trying to gather as much information as possible on how customize my phone....Farsquidge, if I change my tilt interface to the TyTn11 interface I will lose my 3g? Also what is the benefit of changing? Also, I met alot of people who told me of good apps for my phone but is there a site where I can go where there is alot of apps with discriptions of what they do?

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I should have my tilt in a few days ( Amazon is the worst!). So I have been going around trying to gather as much information as possible on how customize my phone....Farsquidge, if I change my tilt interface to the TyTn11 interface I will lose my 3g? Also what is the benefit of changing? Also, I met alot of people who told me of good apps for my phone but is there a site where I can go where there is alot of apps with discriptions of what they do?
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If you re-flash your 'Tilt' (as it is an AT&T carrier device) you will lose your AT&T connection settings.
You will end up with a 'Carrier free' device with (or) without sim unlock depending on the way you do it. You will then have to re-install these with a 'Network profile app' from this forum. You will find plenty of apps (in the form of .cab files) on here to keep you happy for ages!
Be patient because there are tons of guys on this forum who have reflashed their devices that will add their input to help you. No one is online all the time but will get to you when they can.

Thanks. The more I look on different forums, the more confused I get. I'm not to phone/computer savy so I have to do some research on the simple words and terms used up here. Thanks alot.

It takes a long time to get up to speed, I'm not close yet. Personally, I don't have a problem with the ATT rom, I guess b/c I haven't seen a flashed one to compare it to. I've added a bunch of fun/useful programs from this site, FFF and IMSMS are great ones and all the home customizations are very cool. The other day, I was beaming IMSMS to a friend. A stranger passing says "oh are we showing off our phones?" and yanks out his iphone hoping we'd be impressed. I said, "nope just beaming a file, do you want it too? Oops, guess you can't do that" You could see him deflate immediately. The iphone is neat to look at, but is so lacking in features and customization it's sad.

Post your Testimonials here.

Sorry Mods and Admins, if i m postin' this in a wrong place.
Hi y'all developers, while typin' my last post, i realized that i have 100+ posts, and i have become a senior member now. So felt like makin' a thread for testimonials.
I came across xda-developers, last year. I wuz usin' Blue Angel that time, i wuz attemptin' to update my ROM, with the latest one, on the vendor's website. Somethin' went wrong, and my phone got stuck at a grey screen with USB written on it. I tried everything, that a normal user would do. Tried soft-reset, hard-reset, removed battery, nothin' worked. I thought, that would be the end of it, b'cuz warranty wasn't valid as this phone was officialy not available here, that time.
Then i searched web, and got results in this website, followed wiki, learnt about BootLoader mode, killed the required processes in the task manager & wuz able to do the update succesfully. Then there wuz no end to it, flashed so many ROMs, enjoyed WM6 on a phone runnin' WM3. Never imagined that Had this community not been there, my phone would have been nothin' more than a brick.
Here, we have so many personalized applications to share, customized ROMs removing the shortcomings of original ones, shipped with the device. Moreover, we have 'Offline' to discuss about different other topics, to share jokes, incidents and to get suggestions and reviews on the new things, in the market.
Thanks to all the Developers, Moderators & the Administrators(of course), for this lovely community.
People who feel, if they got any help from this forum, plz post your testimonials here.
UNITED WE STAND, Cheers..

i was totally into nokias and never thought of switching brands.
just about when pocket pcs used to be so bulky- i never thought i needed such a device although it offered much more than nokias.
then came our good ol' magician. when i was on a trip to Dubai i saw this beautiful ppc which was smaller but much higher in specs as compared to the xda IIs
i immediately got it then and there (O2 xda mini).
then one day (when i didn't know about this site) i flashed a wrong rom and my mini showed just USB v1.1. i started searching the www and finally reached this site. i not only got a rom but also wonderful apps which have really enhanced my ppc experience.
but i now feel so unlucky cos' i got a magician. we can not flash wm5 or 6 therefore
no touchflo...no many good things! (if anybody has "good things" pls tell me)
i've helped a number of noobs here who always got a "regional" error when reflashing (of course ...the developers and senior members feel sick repeating it time and again to the new ppl)
i am thinking of getting a new device now but all devices of my choice have a major disadvantage which i would like to list.(point me out if i am wrong):-
1. HTC Touch (slow processor, no dedicated 2.5mm audio jack..and the supplied earphones suck!)
2. HTC TyTN II (HTC is so very reluctant in providing the display drivers..this device is rendered way slower than a magician)
3. HTC Touch Cruise (same case as with tytn II, feels much bigger than touch)
and then windows mobile 7 is on its way and i've come across some screenshots too.
and i seriously doubt the existing devices will be able to be upgraded to wm7. its got some features like dual touch sensitivity which contribute to this doubt.correct me if i am wrong pls. (but very frankly....i have full faith in the developers here who have insanely sharp minds)
and lastly - i have not yet donated any amount till date but i am going to begin soon as i have full plans to get a paypal acount. i understand that the developers here have to sacrifice their hell lot of time to write awesome codes and then to improve them, remove flaws and make them compatible for as many devices as possible.
and then this is a nice thread (thanks to rohit!) ...pls share your experiences -it takes only a minute or two (but it took me more than 15 minites---i am a bit SLOW!!)
thanks a lot
PEACE!!

i got help with my htc wizard. i was getting tired with the rom it came with so i started to look for hacks or mods and i found this site even dough that i had come here a year before looking for info on a ipaq and left the site because had no info on the ipaq. but when i got the wizard this site has helped me with everything
Thanks

Fully Tested Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM for Touch HD

I am just wondering if the chefs are going to be making a fully tested windows mobile 6.5 rom anytime? If they will, will there still be bugs in them and especially the lock screen?

In before the abuse.
There are plenty of Windows Mobile 6.5 ROMs out there but unlike desktop operating sytems there are many many different versions.
Even official roms are going to have bugs, all we can do (as Touch HD users that will likely never get an official 6.5 rom) is find an active chefs whose work we like and give feedback on their releases...
...although even then I doubt we can "fully test" them.

7896zx said:
I am just wondering if the chefs are going to be making a fully tested windows mobile 6.5 rom anytime? If they will, will there still be bugs in them and especially the lock screen?
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agree with E Punk... the chefs test as best they can then it's up to us. when i hear "fully tested", i think of a high-level test strategy, detailed test plans (positive/negative tests), unit test, integration test, use case, debug-fix, user-acceptance-test, more debug-fix, etc., etc. that's simply a lot of work... once we get a hold of a ROM, load it, use it and report findings the chefs can review posts to look for consistent errors and those are generally fixed pretty fast. bottom line: if we wanna play, we have to be willing to accept that there will be bugs, behavior quirks or whatever you want to call it. the problem some of us have is knowing when to STOP flashing, lol!!!

i think that a version without major bugs will be out when htc releases official winmo6.5 rom updates for touch diamond2 and touch pro2, as those phones share 99% hardware with our hd

wm6.5 Downloads
Hi all
It is all very well 4 u experts. All these talk about flashing rom and WM6.5. However, no mention of where really this WM6.5 download is, the guy on youtube points to places that do not exist on xda developers site. I open Mary one thing it does not show any of the things he talks about. Also the hard spl he talks about caused me to waste 2 full days trying to restore my phone to its original function. Yes it was grbaged until with pere=severance I figured out a simple download to restore it. Can any one please make simple straight forward steps to find the WM6.5 download?

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Hi all
It is all very well 4 u experts. All these talk about flashing rom and WM6.5. However, no mention of where really this WM6.5 download is, the guy on youtube points to places that do not exist on xda developers site. I open Mary one thing it does not show any of the things he talks about. Also the hard spl he talks about caused me to waste 2 full days trying to restore my phone to its original function. Yes it was grbaged until with pere=severance I figured out a simple download to restore it. Can any one please make simple straight forward steps to find the WM6.5 download?
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With all due respect, I can only assume based on your post count that you are new to the HD, you need to read this forum more. Find the wiki and and read it. I was on this forum for 4 months before I flashed my first rom. Windows 6.5 is not meant for our HDs. A lot of the issues that people are complaining about may or may not affect you. I have no problem with daily use with most of the roms I read and read before and after I flash. I don't expect anyone else to do the dirty work for me but there will always be someone who gets there before me. All these posts are inundated with "does this feature work" or "in the last rom I could do this can this rom do it". I know it is a pain in the backside to flash you phone all time but that is why we are hear. If you are just wanting the perfect rom then you are probably in the wrong place.
I hope this does not come across to hard but I read this forum almost every day. The best advice I can give you is to read then read some more. Or you could end up with an expensive brick.

nboutros said:
Hi all
It is all very well 4 u experts. All these talk about flashing rom and WM6.5. However, no mention of where really this WM6.5 download is, the guy on youtube points to places that do not exist on xda developers site. I open Mary one thing it does not show any of the things he talks about. Also the hard spl he talks about caused me to waste 2 full days trying to restore my phone to its original function. Yes it was grbaged until with pere=severance I figured out a simple download to restore it. Can any one please make simple straight forward steps to find the WM6.5 download?
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had myself a HD for a week, and with the help of XDA wiki flashed it (like about 50 times right now). Just read, and if you need any help just pm me

7896zx said:
I am just wondering if the chefs are going to be making a fully tested windows mobile 6.5 rom anytime? If they will, will there still be bugs in them and especially the lock screen?
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This isn't an attack.
You don't understand the extent to which a cook has control over most bugs (or doesn't). Most of the bugs you see in the ROMs you're looking at are way beyond the cooks control. Remember, they don't have the source code -- they can't fix the software. What they can do is look for updated versions from the developers that might have fixed a problem (but maybe introduce new ones). The biggest control chefs have is over things that can be controlled in the registry: things like visual layou, etc. In addition, some optimization options are available when packaging the ROM, however, I'd advise that you just understand that 6.5 is still an unreleased beta product (even if plans for release have been finalized) at this point.
Your friendly community (volunteer) chefs have done all they can to bring us interesting samples of this upcoming product. The bugs are not a result of lack of testing at all.
Rob

dhatw said:
With all due respect, I can only assume based on your post count that you are new to the HD, you need to read this forum more. Find the wiki and and read it. I was on this forum for 4 months before I flashed my first rom. Windows 6.5 is not meant for our HDs. A lot of the issues that people are complaining about may or may not affect you. I have no problem with daily use with most of the roms I read and read before and after I flash. I don't expect anyone else to do the dirty work for me but there will always be someone who gets there before me. All these posts are inundated with "does this feature work" or "in the last rom I could do this can this rom do it". I know it is a pain in the backside to flash you phone all time but that is why we are hear. If you are just wanting the perfect rom then you are probably in the wrong place.
I hope this does not come across to hard but I read this forum almost every day. The best advice I can give you is to read then read some more. Or you could end up with an expensive brick.
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Judging from how "4" and "u" are not words, and the way this unknown "youtube" guy has given him the impression that he's a representative of xda-dev, I'd say he's new the HD, and somewhat new to life -- maybe 14 or so years old.
Reminds me of the tone that AOL users had when they first came onto the "Internet". They used to angrily demand tech support for the Internet from ops in IRC as if those people worked for some "service" that they were paying for. Oh, those were the days.
Your advice was perfect.
Rob

Slightly going off orginal query topic which has already been answered well in my opinion by both Electronic Punk & cortez.i. Not much else needs to be discussed on that topic
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